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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 3, 2024 11:36:32 GMT
It was on the BBC News web site two days ago. You should really check before making unfounded assertions. In fact, because of their greater weight, electric vehicles produce more PM2.5 particles from tyre and brake wear than vehicles with internal combustion engines do, so it's entirely reasonable to discourage their use in the centre of London. Cars have been getting heavier for years and I agree some EVs are heavier than ice cars, but these are usually models from existing manufacturers that are often little more than conversions of existing ice models. Purpose built EVs like those from Tesla are no heavier then similar cars in their segment. As for brake dust, well EVs really produce very little as they rely on recuperation for braking, the motor runs as a generator recharging the battery as you slow down. Only aggressive or emergency braking uses the friction brakes. This came up on the old board, when I was taken to task by JamesB, the traffic planner. I had been musing rather hopefully that the move to electric cars might reduce particulates, and JamesB the Traffic Planner said not so: modern cars had filters to remove particulates from the engine emissions, so that most of the particulates come from brake, tire, and road wear. He then posted a research paper to indicate that EVs tended to be 25% heavier than piston-engined (ICE) cars, so therefore there would be more grinding of the brakes, tires and road surfaces, hence more particulates with EVs. I could sense something wasn’t quite right though, so I slept on it, hoping that what was at issue would become apparent the next day. And on waking the next day, it occurred to me what was wrong. I had previously been researching trends in battery tech, where I discovered that battery efficiency was improving at the rate of between five and 8% a year. Consequently we could expect battery weight to gradually fall, eventually taking battery cars below the weight of ordinary ICE vehicles. This might take a while though, since they might prefer battery efficiency initially to contribute more to increased range. However, there is a pressure to reduce the weight of cars anyway besides just the battery to improve range. Against this though, is the pressure towards greater weight from adding safety features et cetera. When I looked into the matter further, I discovered something not mentioned in the paper: Greater weight is a problem, not just because you get MORE particulates, but also because the particulates tend to be finer, and therefore more damaging, as the body finds it hard to clear the very fine particles, and fine ones are the sort that get up your sinus nerve into the brain to cause dementia. (Which is another threat alongside climate change to worry about. James-the-traffic-planner seemed to think the solution was that everyone should ride bikes, but as I pointed out to him, that probably makes life very easy for a traffic planner, but he’s probably never tried to go to a gig taking guitars, amps, keyboards et cetera on a bike. Not much fun on public transport either…) p.s. there is also the potential to reduce particulates from road and tire wear, by using different tyre compounds and road surfacings. |
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Post by neilj on Jul 3, 2024 11:43:02 GMT
Matt Goodwin, cheer leader for Farage/Reform has the final poll of campaign for People Polling, for what it's worth...not a lot
Labour 36%
Reform 20%
Conservatives 16%
Lib Dems 10%
Greens 9%
SNP 4%
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Post by wb61 on Jul 3, 2024 11:44:59 GMT
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jul 3, 2024 11:54:21 GMT
An aside for Mr Carfers
Mrs SDA tells me that the middle C on her 10 year old Yamaha Clavinova baby grand has stopped working. Have you any idea what might've gone wrong and is it an easy repair?
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Post by pete on Jul 3, 2024 11:59:04 GMT
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Post by pete on Jul 3, 2024 12:00:14 GMT
I can't find my polling card. I can still vote using my driving licence as id?
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Post by ping on Jul 3, 2024 12:04:34 GMT
I can't find my polling card. I can still vote using my driving licence as id? Yep, as long as it is either a UK or NI one, or issued by an EU country, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, the Isle of Man or any of the Channel Islands. www.gov.uk/how-to-vote/photo-id-youll-needYou don't need a polling card. |
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Post by pete on Jul 3, 2024 12:05:16 GMT
Matt Goodwin, cheer leader for Farage/Reform has the final poll of campaign for People Polling, for what it's worth...not a lot Labour 36% Reform 20% Conservatives 16% Lib Dems 10% Greens 9% SNP 4% Gives Lab 454 Con 46 Ref 34 LD 74 Gr 4 Got to be bull. |
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2024 12:05:56 GMT
Personally will be disappointed if Labour get lower than 38%. It wouldn't surprise me. If everyone HAD to vote, then I doubt that Labour would slip below 40%, but my one concern about tomorrow is that some Labour supporters will assume the battle has already been won, get complacent and so won't take the walk to the polling stations. To be clear, Labour will win tomorrow - I'm just giving a reason as to why I think the voting percentage might not be quite what we'd like. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 3, 2024 12:08:36 GMT
Fender Bassman! Legendary amp. (I used to lug a Marshall head and 4 x 12 cab via taxi and train to Uni sometimes, but adding keyboards takes the difficulty up another notch!). What guitar did you play? |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 3, 2024 12:14:04 GMT
An aside for Mr Carfers Mrs SDA tells me that the middle C on her 10 year old Yamaha Clavinova baby grand has stopped working. Have you any idea what might've gone wrong and is it an easy repair? Well I’m not a keyboard tech so my knowledge is rather limited, but if the key isn’t working then it could be that it is not making a proper contact. Cleaning the contacts could fix it, but if a contact is worn you might need a new contact strip from Yamaha? (If the key is physically sticky etc., then might need a new keybed) |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jul 3, 2024 12:14:27 GMT
markwIf you've read any of my posts you will know that nostalgia, bordering on sentimentality, is my stock in trade. Your reference to living in Eastville in Bristol had my.memory scuttling back to 1975 when, along with three other fellow student mates, we rented an end terrace house in Daisy Road, Eastville. Memories include walking down to the road to watch the Rovers play on Saturday afternoons, the CAMRA owned Old Fox not far away which became our nightly local and our next door neighbour being a dopehead like the rest of us. He was hard of hearing, which was useful, and he once advised/forewarned us of a neighbour trying to raise a petition to get us evicted for noise disrurbance. The petition failed to gain sufficient signatures apparently. Mind you, our landlord, a doctor, got rid of us in the end anyway Our friendly neighbour came with us in a van one day to watch the Who headline a gig at the Vetch Field in Swansea but was unable to return with us that night. Temporarily detained for possession of illegal substances! He was unlucky, whereas we were lucky! Give my regards to the old place. Your description of its current physical and social wellbeing sounds depressing. I loved the place and it remains in deep heart's core. But 50 years is a long, long time ago. 😥
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2024 12:15:59 GMT
Final Sky/YouGov MRP to be released at 5 pm.
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Post by lens on Jul 3, 2024 12:20:17 GMT
"Sadiq Khan is extending London’s congestion charge to all zero-emission vehicles from the end of next year.” The headline is lifted from the Torygraph they appear to have zero evidence, what a shocker and TFL have made no statements regarding an extent to EV's at all. The assertion appears no where else. Given it's supposed to be a congestion charge it doesn't seem unreasonable that measures should aim at reducing congestion. It was on the BBC News web site two days ago. You should really check before making unfounded assertions. In fact, because of their greater weight, electric vehicles produce more PM2.5 particles from tyre and brake wear than vehicles with internal combustion engines do, so it's entirely reasonable to discourage their use in the centre of London. Not true, certainly as far as brake wear and particulates go. Around town EVs slow largely by regeneration braking, much less physical brakes. So far **less** particulate emissions from brakes than a petrol/diesel car. They are also not that much different in weight from a **comparable** ICE car. (Though they tend at present to be less available generally in the lower - and cheaper - sector of the market. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2024 12:28:53 GMT
An aside for Mr Carfers Mrs SDA tells me that the middle C on her 10 year old Yamaha Clavinova baby grand has stopped working. Have you any idea what might've gone wrong and is it an easy repair? Tell her to transpose everything to D major… |
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Post by lens on Jul 3, 2024 12:31:07 GMT
And if Sadiq Khan really was seriously interested in improving air quality in central London, the best thing he could do would be to make **ALL** petrol and diesel cars pay the ULEZ charges - only ZEV be exempt.
It's absurd that a car slightly more polluting than a car liable to pay £12.50 pays zero, the same as a zero emission vehicle.
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Post by shevii on Jul 3, 2024 12:32:48 GMT
Sorry if this has already been asked, but are we expecting any more MRPs by the end of today or was Survation's the final one? You probably saw it above but yougov mrp at 5pm |
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Post by graham on Jul 3, 2024 12:33:44 GMT
It looks as if the Labour vote share will end up well below the 41% polled in 2017 under Corbyn, and is more likely to be in the 36% - 39% range we saw at both 1974 elections and again in 1979.
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Post by robbiealive on Jul 3, 2024 12:33:45 GMT
My Noble norbold . Final post on Clacton. I related how we took my niece on a tour of the Essex resorts of our youth. Jaywick had an enormous mud flat, the only occupant of which was a rather plump white lad on a lounger listening to a ghetto blaster. I did relate how proprietor of a Clacton cafe asked if we had arrived in our youth by yacht. This made me realize how much I had poshed up since I was a snotty ten-year-old. |
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Post by steve on Jul 3, 2024 12:39:54 GMT
"You need to rely more on common sense instead of using Google to replace thinking"
Was that a new experience for you?
Smart arse.
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Post by steve on Jul 3, 2024 12:45:49 GMT
"Not true, certainly as far as brake wear and particulates go. Around town EVs slow largely by regeneration braking, much less physical brakes. So far **less** particulate emissions from brakes than a petrol/diesel car."
Maybe leftieliberal should have relied more on common sense rather than relying on Google to replace thinking!
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 3, 2024 12:47:09 GMT
Congestion charging is of course nothing to do with pollution, its aim is to reduce traffic congestion by making people think twice before using their cars In that respect electric cars cause as much congestion as ICE cars. Made little difference when there weren't many electric cars, now with increasing numbers it's logical to include them The problem with charging though, esp. the way they do it, is that again it is another step towards making cars a luxury item for the better off. In this right-wing world we are living in, since Thatch, increasing numbers of people are having essentials priced out of their range: transport, housing, energy, water, food, et cetera, et cetera And the knock-on effect of increasing prices of rents and energy et cetera, is that the price of other things goes up too. when, in a modern, civilised, progressive society, making big technological gains, essentials should be becoming cheaper. Like they did post-war… |
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Post by davem on Jul 3, 2024 12:48:10 GMT
Final Sky/YouGov MRP to be released at 5 pm. I was polled for that one. |
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Post by pete on Jul 3, 2024 12:51:08 GMT
It looks as if the Labour vote share will end up well below the 41% polled in 2017 under Corbyn, and is more likely to be in the 36% - 39% range we saw at both 1974 elections and again in 1979. Oh, Feck! 4/5more years of Tory then. |
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Post by wb61 on Jul 3, 2024 12:56:21 GMT
Fender Bassman! Legendary amp. (I used to lug a Marshall head and 4 x 12 cab via taxi and train to Uni sometimes, but adding keyboards takes the difficulty up another notch!). What guitar did you play? It was a copy of a Rickenbacker I think it was called Kay or something like that. More than 40 years ago I am afraid. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 3, 2024 13:08:12 GMT
Fender Bassman! Legendary amp. (I used to lug a Marshall head and 4 x 12 cab via taxi and train to Uni sometimes, but adding keyboards takes the difficulty up another notch!). What guitar did you play? It was a copy of a Rickenbacker I think it was called Kay or something like that. More than 40 years ago I am afraid. Ah Okies, no probs. Rickenbackers were a classic new wave guitar of the era. (Someone had a Rickenbacker bass at school I used to borrow that was fun to play…) |
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Post by graham on Jul 3, 2024 13:10:26 GMT
I see Starmer was in the Carmarthen seat this morning tending to suggest things are tight there between Labour and Plaid.
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Post by neilj on Jul 3, 2024 13:19:48 GMT
Congestion charging is of course nothing to do with pollution, its aim is to reduce traffic congestion by making people think twice before using their cars In that respect electric cars cause as much congestion as ICE cars. Made little difference when there weren't many electric cars, now with increasing numbers it's logical to include them The problem with charging though, esp. the way they do it, is that again it is another step towards making cars a luxury item for the better off. In this right-wing world we are living in, since Thatch, increasing numbers of people are having essentials priced out of their range: transport, housing, energy, water, food, et cetera, et cetera And the knock-on effect of increasing prices of rents and energy et cetera, is that the price of other things goes up too. when, in a modern, civilised, progressive society, making big technological gains, essentials should be becoming cheaper. Like they did post-war… I think if you drive/own a car, especially in London, you are already one of the better off. With the excellent public transport system in London it's cheaper and quicker to use it rather than a car. Making it more expensive means it's easier for essential users, emergency services, delivery people, buses etc to get around I would love to live in a city that has a tenth of the public transport London has |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 3, 2024 13:25:55 GMT
The problem with charging though, esp. the way they do it, is that again it is another step towards making cars a luxury item for the better off. In this right-wing world we are living in, since Thatch, increasing numbers of people are having essentials priced out of their range: transport, housing, energy, water, food, et cetera, et cetera And the knock-on effect of increasing prices of rents and energy et cetera, is that the price of other things goes up too. when, in a modern, civilised, progressive society, making big technological gains, essentials should be becoming cheaper. Like they did post-war… I think if you drive/own a car, especially in London, you are already one of the better off. With the excellent public transport system in London it's cheaper and quicker to use it rather than a car. Making it more expensive means it's easier for essential users, emergency services, delivery people, buses etc to get around I would love to live in a city that has a tenth of the public transport London has Coincidentally, it makes it easier for better off people to use their cars. Why should you be able to buy such privilege? Better off people can afford the catchments for better schools, they can afford solar panels for cheaper energy, they can afford more energy anyway, they can afford to clear tuition fee costs, so they don’t rack up loads of debt interest, they can afford rent and mortgages, food etc. etc., when increasingly others can’t (which is not very progressive) |
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Post by mandolinist on Jul 3, 2024 13:31:36 GMT
markw If you've read any of my posts you will know that nostalgia, bordering on sentimentality, is my stock in trade. Your reference to living in Eastville in Bristol had my.memory scuttling back to 1975 when, along with three other fellow student mates, we rented an end terrace house in Daisy Road, Eastville. Memories include walking down to the road to watch the Rovers play on Saturday afternoons, the CAMRA owned Old Fox not far away which became our nightly local and our next door neighbour being a dopehead like the rest of us. He was hard of hearing, which was useful, and he once advised/forewarned us of a neighbour trying to raise a petition to get us evicted for noise disrurbance. The petition failed to gain sufficient signatures apparently. Mind you, our landlord, a doctor, got rid of us in the end anyway Our friendly neighbour came with us in a van one day to watch the Who headline a gig at the Vetch Field in Swansea but was unable to return with us that night. Temporarily detained for possession of illegal substances! He was unlucky, whereas we were lucky! Give my regards to the old place. Your description of its current physical and social wellbeing sounds depressing. I loved the place and it remains in deep heart's core. But 50 years is a long, long time ago. 😥 The Old Fox was a wonderous pub, I used to drink there in the late '70's. Sadly it is now shuttered and derelict, visible every time we travel on the M32. |
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