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Post by neilj on Jun 17, 2024 15:17:18 GMT
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Our latest voting intention poll finds it’s all steady & Labour keep a 16 pt lead over the Conservatives
🔵 CON 25% (-)
🔴 LAB 41% (-)
🟠 LIB DEM 11% (+1)
🟣 REF UK 14% (+1)
🟢 GRN 5% (-)
🟡 SNP 2%(- 1)
Dates 14-16/6, N=2,369 Tables:
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Con 21%
Lab 43%
Reform 13%
LD 10%
Green 5%
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 17, 2024 15:18:51 GMT
Election activity at this address.
1. Hand delivered SNP leaflet - day after election announced
2. SNP canvasser (last known canvassing in this wee town was 2014!)
3. My SNP garden posters up
4. Hand delivered SNP leaflet (4 page A3) today.
That's it. No drones yet then? Could be very useful for leafleting in more rural areas where properties are more spaced apart? And frees up campaigners for things like canvassing. However, now that we are getting AI that is improving at being able to handle conversations, maybe they will be sending out robots to do some of the canvassing in future. Along with self-driving cars to get out the vote on election Day. (Some might argue that robots have already replaced some of the politicians of course) |
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Post by nickpoole on Jun 17, 2024 15:22:50 GMT
More in Common Our latest voting intention poll finds it’s all steady & Labour keep a 16 pt lead over the Conservatives 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 41% (-) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (+1) 🟣 REF UK 14% (+1) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 2%(- 1) Dates 14-16/6, N=2,369 Tables: Unadjusted VI: LAB 43 CON 23 RFM 12 LDM 10 GRN 6 Nothing really moving at all. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 17, 2024 15:25:35 GMT
Election activity at this address.
1. Hand delivered SNP leaflet - day after election announced
2. SNP canvasser (last known canvassing in this wee town was 2014!)
3. My SNP garden posters up
4. Hand delivered SNP leaflet (4 page A3) today.
That's it. No drones yet then? Could be very useful for more rural areas where properties are more spaced apart? And frees up campaigners for things like canvassing. However, now that we are getting AI that is improving at being able to handle conversations, maybe they will be sending out robots to do some of the canvassing in future. Along with self-driving cars to get out the vote on election Day. (Some might argue that robots have already replaced some of the politicians) And after your high tech campaign, the voters will wander down to the village hall to put an X on a bit of paper with a stubby pencil. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 17, 2024 15:26:11 GMT
More in Common Our latest voting intention poll finds it’s all steady & Labour keep a 16 pt lead over the Conservatives Nothing really moving at all. Fine with me!  |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 17, 2024 15:26:30 GMT
I might be wrong, and to be honest I have no idea, but I had the impression that Carswell was locally popular because he was openly racist. If one looks across long term trends across western democracies (and I'm including the UK, even though it clearly undemocratic), most nations have around 10% of the electorate who are out and out Nazis, supplemented by around 15% with racist tendencies. It's not surprising that that the occasional constituency with a disproportionate number of racist voters crops up. It's not surprising that Farage chooses to stand there. He's made similar choices in the past. My memory of Carswell was the opposite. It was that he was very anti EU, but not anti immigration. By the look of the immigration figures for the last couple of years, so are maybe some of the Tories? |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 17, 2024 15:29:01 GMT
No drones yet then? Could be very useful for more rural areas where properties are more spaced apart? And frees up campaigners for things like canvassing. However, now that we are getting AI that is improving at being able to handle conversations, maybe they will be sending out robots to do some of the canvassing in future. Along with self-driving cars to get out the vote on election Day. (Some might argue that robots have already replaced some of the politicians) And after your high tech campaign, the voters will wander down to the village hall to put an X on a bit of paper with a stubby pencil. Or, a drone will do that for them. (And get it wrong…) |
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Post by mandolinist on Jun 17, 2024 15:31:51 GMT
oldnat So essentially Best for Brutain is a pro Labour organisation in Scotland. It might be considered pro-Labour outwith Scotland. Its recommendation for Bristol Central is Labour, notwithstanding there being no risk of the Conservatives winning it, which will be controversial with one or two correspondents on here. I'm not a fan of these tactical voting websites, although I will concede the parties also lie a lot which doesn't help voters. I am currently in Derbyshire Dales with my lovely very Green daughter, she is voting Labour here, for tactical reasons, but if I tell her this nugget of information I reckon she would switch to voting for her beliefs. Anyone want to vote switch with her? |
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Post by mercian on Jun 17, 2024 15:35:08 GMT
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Post by graham on Jun 17, 2024 15:38:14 GMT
It might be considered pro-Labour outwith Scotland. Its recommendation for Bristol Central is Labour, notwithstanding there being no risk of the Conservatives winning it, which will be controversial with one or two correspondents on here. I'm not a fan of these tactical voting websites, although I will concede the parties also lie a lot which doesn't help voters. I am currently in Derbyshire Dales with my lovely very Green daughter, she is voting Labour here, for tactical reasons, but if I tell her this nugget of information I reckon she would switch to voting for her beliefs. Anyone want to vote switch with her? I imagine that the Bristol Central recommendation is based on the MRP survey having put Labour ahead there by more than 2 to 1. |
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Post by statgeek on Jun 17, 2024 15:40:09 GMT
oldnat I was just about to post this from the Get Voting website: "In seats that are being defended by an SNP incumbent, or where 2019 General Election notional winners are the SNP, and there is no possibility of the Conservatives winning the seat, we will make a tactical voting recommendation for Scottish Labour to ensure the Scotland’s views are represented on both the next (likely) UK Government’s benches, as well as the opposition benches." So essentially Best for Brutain is a pro Labour organisation in Scotland.
Indeed. Interesting group of people.
One worked for a Labour MP for a couple of years, one has articles on the Guardian, and one was ...well you're all clever people. Do your own searches, and form your own conclusions. A wonderful mix of Labour politics and Tory financial mismanagement. All we need is an illegal war and it'll be New Labour once again.
Consider Edinburgh West, 2019:
Lib 21,766 39.9% SNP 17,997 33.0% Con 9,283 17.0% Lab 4,460 8.2%
And their view: "The latest polling and MRP analysis shows they are the best placed party to beat the Conservatives here."
But in reality, the Con vote is nowhere in that seat, and even combined, Con and Lab can't beat the Lib Dems. The more likely scenario is half of Con shifting to Ref, Lab and Lib in different ratios, and maybe a little moving to SNP, if there are any Indy folk still to shift. The pro-Lab folk tend to be pro-Union too, even when they can't or won't say why. Because the alternative is the loss of one of their little resource mines, and their deterrent base.
The sensible, ABT advice would be "This won't be a Tory seat, so vote according to your own inclinations."
That at least, would be an honest approach, if their intentions were ABT, but they're not. If their strategy was to pick the highest party from each past election, that is best placed to beat the Tories, there would be a raft of SNP recommendations. They are pro-Lab, which translates to anti-Indy, but with a whisper (for now). Just another Labour media tool.
And the very sensible advice if truly pro-EU, would be to sing the praises of the one party with elected MPs that keeps calling for rejoining the EU, rather than one of the parties that insisted a vote Naw was a vote to secure Scotland's place in the EU. Better Together. 
Nice to read of the recent ban of the forum's bridge-dweller. Only took four years. Best of luck with the polling. We do actually analyse polls here, rather than engage in partisan team chanting, don't we?  |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 17, 2024 15:41:39 GMT
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Post by mandolinist on Jun 17, 2024 15:47:12 GMT
statgeek, so pleased to see you back. Thanks for the analysis.
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Post by oldnat on Jun 17, 2024 15:49:13 GMT
Election activity at this address.
1. Hand delivered SNP leaflet - day after election announced
2. SNP canvasser (last known canvassing in this wee town was 2014!)
3. My SNP garden posters up
4. Hand delivered SNP leaflet (4 page A3) today.
That's it. Could be very useful for leafleting in more rural areas where properties are more spaced apart? And frees up campaigners for things like canvassing. However, now that we are getting AI that is improving at being able to handle conversations, maybe they will be sending out robots to do some of the canvassing in future. Along with self-driving cars to get out the vote on election Day. (Some might argue that robots have already replaced some of the politicians of course) |
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Post by barbara on Jun 17, 2024 16:00:26 GMT
BBC bias is a frequent topic on here, but here is some research on it in the form of who has been invited on to Question Time over the last decade. To test how this is applied to Question Time, our researchers compiled a dataset of all editions of the programme from September 2014 until July 2023 – a total of 352 programmes with 1,734 guest slots across the nine seasons, filled by 661 different people.
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Removing politicians from the list of most frequent guests shows that several high-frequency panellists are being used, most of whom come from the political right. The regularly featured journalists are typically opinion columnists who contribute to rightwing press outlets such as the Mail or the Telegraph, or who make appearances on right-leaning broadcasters like GB News and TalkTV.
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The commitment to due impartiality can indeed mean that impartiality occurs over time – but the evidence does not demonstrate Question Time is achieving this. Instead, it may be sacrificing the BBC’s reputation for impartiality to create provocative programmes.Thanks. At last someone has produced some research. I have not got time to read it now but you won't mind if I come back to it later. This is the list of the most appearances of non politicians. It speaks for itself I think. Name Appearances Publication Isabel Oakeshott 13 Various (Spectator, Daily Mail, GB News, Talk TV) Julia Hartley-Brewer 13 Various (Spectator, Telegraph, Talk Radio/Talk TV) Kate Andrews 12 IEA/Spectator Tim Stanley 12 Telegraph/Spectator Camilla Tominey 10 Express/Telegraph/Spectator Anne McElvoy 8 Economist/Politico Theo Paphitis 8 N/A businessman Fraser Nelson 7 Spectator/Telegraph Melanie Phillips 7 The Times Merryn Somerset Webb 7 Money Week Peter Hitchens 7 Mail on Sunday/Spectator Piers Morgan 7 (Various ITV, Talk TV, Daily Mail) Zanny Minton Beddoes 7 The Economist Get the dataCreated with Datawrapper |
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Post by neilj on Jun 17, 2024 16:01:04 GMT
Redfield Wilton 10,000 mega poll
Labour leads by 25%.
Tied-lowest Conservative % (worse than Truss).
Highest Reform %.
🇬🇧 Westminster VI (14/6-17/6):
Labour 43% (+1)
Reform UK 18% (+1)
Conservative 18% (–)
Lib Dem 12% (-1)
Green 5% (–)
SNP 3% (–)
Other 1% (–)
Changes +/- 12/6-13/6
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Post by oldnat on Jun 17, 2024 16:01:18 GMT
Looks like you might be voting SNP! Can I ask you a question though, in your opinion for whom will disaffected Conservatives likely vote for in Scotland? Am I right in assuming they are usually the most Pro union Cohort, I'm guessing Lib-Dems but I'm sure you will know better than I.
The many former Labour voters who voted Con in 2019 to keep SNP out have reverted to Labour.
"Traditional" Scots Tories, if sufficiently disaffected with both Ross and Sunak, stay at home, vote Labour or (if a bit more socially liberal) Lib Dem.
Disaffected Conservatives who bought into the Cameron/Truss/Sunak narrative, probably vote REFUK.
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Post by jen on Jun 17, 2024 16:04:27 GMT
I might be wrong, and to be honest I have no idea, but I had the impression that Carswell was locally popular because he was openly racist. If one looks across long term trends across western democracies (and I'm including the UK, even though it clearly undemocratic), most nations have around 10% of the electorate who are out and out Nazis, supplemented by around 15% with racist tendencies. It's not surprising that that the occasional constituency with a disproportionate number of racist voters crops up. It's not surprising that Farage chooses to stand there. He's made similar choices in the past. My memory of Carswell was the opposite. It was that he was very anti EU, but not anti immigration. In fact I seem to remember that when challenged he distanced himself from some of Farage’s comments. So of course not someone who I would ever vote for due to their associations, but better than most of his ilk. I never met him though. Also I could be wrong and would be “happy” to be put right. Anyway I would say he came across as OK for a Tory. Best of a bad bunch etc. etc. Like Bernard Jenkin my MP. But maybe this was just a facade he put up. So obviously he fell out with Farage (as most people end up doing TBH of course). Yeah mate, I dunno. And obviously racism is not the same as anti-immigration, although it is obviously correlated. (although the current iteration of the Tories seem to favour massive immigration, just as long as they're not European, and then try to deny that to their base by victimising genuine refugees). But to me, purely subjectively, he came over as a typical neo-Tory sneering bully who can't play a musical instrument and knows nothing of nuclear physics. This is just my impression. But, to be fair, I met plenty of people in the UK (by no means a majority!) who were proud of their ignorance and perhaps he was just playing to his audience... |
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Post by peterbell on Jun 17, 2024 16:10:58 GMT
Paul, as I have said previously, the best way is just to block him. But it’s not just for me Peter, it’s for everybody - and particularly the casual reader who is considering contributing and is put off by his posts.If he’s reading this and planning to return then I can promise him that I will highlight every offensive post he makes until he either stops making them or - for whatever reason - stops posting altogether. Paul ps We are up in Low Newton again in July if you’re around? Paul, good point. I totally agree that we are losing good posters such as Mandolinist and failing to attract new members and I am sure that a lot of it due to Danny and possibly another. Re Low Newton, would be good to meet again - glad you are feeling well enough although last night will not have helped. Will send you a pm. |
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Post by barbara on Jun 17, 2024 16:16:54 GMT
oldnat I was just about to post this from the Get Voting website: "In seats that are being defended by an SNP incumbent, or where 2019 General Election notional winners are the SNP, and there is no possibility of the Conservatives winning the seat, we will make a tactical voting recommendation for Scottish Labour to ensure the Scotland’s views are represented on both the next (likely) UK Government’s benches, as well as the opposition benches." So essentially Best for Brutain is a pro Labour organisation in Scotland.
Indeed. Interesting group of people.
One worked for a Labour MP for a couple of years, one has articles on the Guardian, and one was ...well you're all clever people. Do your own searches, and form your own conclusions. A wonderful mix of Labour politics and Tory financial mismanagement. All we need is an illegal war and it'll be New Labour once again.
Consider Edinburgh West, 2019:
Lib 21,766 39.9% SNP 17,997 33.0% Con 9,283 17.0% Lab 4,460 8.2%
And their view: "The latest polling and MRP analysis shows they are the best placed party to beat the Conservatives here."
But in reality, the Con vote is nowhere in that seat, and even combined, Con and Lab can't beat the Lib Dems. The more likely scenario is half of Con shifting to Ref, Lab and Lib in different ratios, and maybe a little moving to SNP, if there are any Indy folk still to shift. The pro-Lab folk tend to be pro-Union too, even when they can't or won't say why. Because the alternative is the loss of one of their little resource mines, and their deterrent base.
The sensible, ABT advice would be "This won't be a Tory seat, so vote according to your own inclinations."
That at least, would be an honest approach, if their intentions were ABT, but they're not. If their strategy was to pick the highest party from each past election, that is best placed to beat the Tories, there would be a raft of SNP recommendations. They are pro-Lab, which translates to anti-Indy, but with a whisper (for now). Just another Labour media tool.
And the very sensible advice if truly pro-EU, would be to sing the praises of the one party with elected MPs that keeps calling for rejoining the EU, rather than one of the parties that insisted a vote Naw was a vote to secure Scotland's place in the EU. Better Together.
Nice to read of the recent ban of the forum's bridge-dweller. Only took four years. Best of luck with the polling. We do actually analyse polls here, rather than engage in partisan team chanting, don't we? Ooh statgeek! Lovely to hear from you. |
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Post by norbold on Jun 17, 2024 16:30:00 GMT
I might be wrong, and to be honest I have no idea, but I had the impression that Carswell was locally popular because he was openly racist. If one looks across long term trends across western democracies (and I'm including the UK, even though it clearly undemocratic), most nations have around 10% of the electorate who are out and out Nazis, supplemented by around 15% with racist tendencies. It's not surprising that that the occasional constituency with a disproportionate number of racist voters crops up. It's not surprising that Farage chooses to stand there. He's made similar choices in the past. My memory of Carswell was the opposite. It was that he was very anti EU, but not anti immigration. In fact I seem to remember that when challenged he distanced himself from some of Farage’s comments. So of course not someone who I would ever vote for due to their associations, but better than most of his ilk. I never met him though. Also I could be wrong and would be “happy” to be put right. Anyway I would say he came across as OK for a Tory. Best of a bad bunch etc. etc. Like Bernard Jenkin my MP. But maybe this was just a facade he put up. So obviously he fell out with Farage (as most people end up doing TBH of course). I hate to admit this but I did know Carswell quite well. I was former Labour M.P. Ivan Henderson's agent in the 2010 GE. I have to say, Carswell was quite personable. He even offered me a free fish & chip supper once - which I declined! And you are right that he was not ant-immigration, nor was he a racist. I attended one of his meetings during the campaign. Afterwards a lady came up to him and said she was going to vote for him because we needed to keep "all those immigrants" out. Now, he could have taken the easy way out and accepted her vote, but he didn't and told her that he was not anti-immigrant and that we needed immigration to keep the country going. He was quite forceful about expressing his views to her. He did have a big falling out with Farage over his stance on this. |
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Post by neilj on Jun 17, 2024 16:34:14 GMT
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Largest EVER lead for Starmer over Sunak.
Highest % to pick Starmer.
Lowest % to pick Sunak.
Which of the following do Britons think would be the better PM for the UK? (14-17 June)
Keir Starmer 48% (+1)
Rishi Sunak 25% (-1)
Changes +/- 7-10 June
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 17, 2024 16:36:25 GMT
I know there are a few people on here interested in battery technology, and this report ay be of interest - www.ft.com/content/e33cb565-6d44-4f9a-9105-f3afc03aa732?sharetype=blockedIt look like a step change in small battery energy density, more than doubling current performance. It appears there are still doubts about whether this solid state innovation will be suitable for larger applications, like cars, but it's a step change in small device power storage, if true. You could use a few of them together for leaflet drones No drones yet then? Could be very useful for leafleting in more rural areas where properties are more spaced apart? And frees up campaigners for things like canvassing. However, now that we are getting AI that is improving at being able to handle conversations, maybe they will be sending out robots to do some of the canvassing in future. Along with self-driving cars to get out the vote on election Day. (Some might argue that robots have already replaced some of the politicians of course) As battery performance and range improves, you might expect more unionist drones (although the number of outbuildings may confuse them as to where to deliver the Leaflet) |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 17, 2024 16:37:55 GMT
I am currently in Derbyshire Dales with my lovely very Green daughter, she is voting Labour here, for tactical reasons, but if I tell her this nugget of information I reckon she would switch to voting for her beliefs. Anyone want to vote switch with her? I imagine that the Bristol Central recommendation is based on the MRP survey having put Labour ahead there by more than 2 to 1. That and the fact of there being a sitting Labour MP, which they also take into account. |
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Post by ping on Jun 17, 2024 16:41:13 GMT
More in Common Our latest voting intention poll finds it’s all steady & Labour keep a 16 pt lead over the Conservatives 🔵 CON 25% (-) 🔴 LAB 41% (-) 🟠 LIB DEM 11% (+1) 🟣 REF UK 14% (+1) 🟢 GRN 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 2%(- 1) Dates 14-16/6, N=2,369 Tables: Unadjusted Con 21% Lab 43% Reform 13% LD 10% Green 5% Striking that the unadjusted figures are so similar to the JLP unadjusted figures posted earlier: Lab 43% Con 21% Reform 16% LD 10% Green 5% I guess comparing unadjusted figures throughout the campaign is not a great way to assess movement because there's been changes in the way questions have been asked? |
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Post by johntel on Jun 17, 2024 16:44:29 GMT
Thanks. At last someone has produced some research. I have not got time to read it now but you won't mind if I come back to it later. This is the list of the most appearances of non politicians. It speaks for itself I think. Name Appearances Publication ... Just for balance, here is the list of the top 12 politicians who appeared on Question Time in the period, from the same research. Does it also speak for itself? Most frequent appearances on Question Time (2014-2023) Emily Thornberry Labour politician 24 Lisa Nandy Labour politician 22 Nadhim Zahawi Conservative politician 14 Andy Burnham Labour politician 13 Caroline Lucas Green politician 13Isabel Oakeshott Journalist 13 James Cleverly Conservative politician 13 Julia Hartley-Brewer Journalist 13 Jon Ashworth Labour politician 12 Kate Andrews Journalist/campaigner 12 Tim Stanley Journalist 12 Diane Abbott Labour politician 11 ... Nigel Farage (UKIP) 10So the headline could equally have been "BBC Question Time: analysis of guests over nine years suggests an overuse of LABOUR and GREEN voices". It would have been much more revealing to list the TOTAL number of appearances by people of each political allegiance, including both politicians and non-politicians. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 17, 2024 16:46:23 GMT
Redfield Wilton 10,000 mega poll Labour 43% (+1) Reform UK 18% (+1) Conservative 18% (–) Lib Dem 12% (-1) Green 5% (–) SNP 3% (–) Other 1% (–) Changes +/- 12/6-13/6 Reform + Con - 36% of the vote = 5.4% of the seats per EC. |
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Post by ping on Jun 17, 2024 16:55:24 GMT
Fold leaflet lengthwise over flat wooden kitchen spatula then poke! This top tip originally posted on previous thread. Albert. This is what I normally do, but our leaflets this time are a single piece of card - too hard to bend around a spatula but not hard enough to get through the almost impenetrable bristles :-( |
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Post by barbara on Jun 17, 2024 16:57:19 GMT
This is the list of the most appearances of non politicians. It speaks for itself I think. Name Appearances Publication ... Just for balance, here is the list of the top 12 politicians who appeared on Question Time in the period, from the same research. Does it also speak for itself? Most frequent appearances on Question Time (2014-2023) Emily Thornberry Labour politician 24 Lisa Nandy Labour politician 22 Nadhim Zahawi Conservative politician 14 Andy Burnham Labour politician 13 Caroline Lucas Green politician 13Isabel Oakeshott Journalist 13 James Cleverly Conservative politician 13 Julia Hartley-Brewer Journalist 13 Jon Ashworth Labour politician 12 Kate Andrews Journalist/campaigner 12 Tim Stanley Journalist 12 Diane Abbott Labour politician 11 ... Nigel Farage (UKIP) 10So the headline could equally have been "BBC Question Time: analysis of guests over nine years suggests an overuse of LABOUR and GREEN voices". It would have been much more revealing to list the TOTAL number of appearances by people of each political allegiance, including both politicians and non-politicians. You could say it's worse. When a politician is on the panel everyone knows which Party he's representing and where on the spectum his views and where he sits on the policitial spetrum. How many of the average QT viewers would recognise the IEA or Julia Hartley Brewer, Isobel Oakshott etc. They don't appear with a political label. |
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Post by jen on Jun 17, 2024 16:58:37 GMT
My memory of Carswell was the opposite. It was that he was very anti EU, but not anti immigration. In fact I seem to remember that when challenged he distanced himself from some of Farage’s comments. So of course not someone who I would ever vote for due to their associations, but better than most of his ilk. I never met him though. Also I could be wrong and would be “happy” to be put right. Anyway I would say he came across as OK for a Tory. Best of a bad bunch etc. etc. Like Bernard Jenkin my MP. But maybe this was just a facade he put up. So obviously he fell out with Farage (as most people end up doing TBH of course). I hate to admit this but I did know Carswell quite well. I was former Labour M.P. Ivan Henderson's agent in the 2010 GE. I have to say, Carswell was quite personable. He even offered me a free fish & chip supper once - which I declined! And you are right that he was not ant-immigration, nor was he a racist. I attended one of his meetings during the campaign. Afterwards a lady came up to him and said she was going to vote for him because we needed to keep "all those immigrants" out. Now, he could have taken the easy way out and accepted her vote, but he didn't and told her that he was not anti-immigrant and that we needed immigration to keep the country going. He was quite forceful about expressing his views to her. He did have a big falling out with Farage over his stance on this. Thanks for that! So why did he oppose EU membership? Was he ignorant of the way the EU works? |
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