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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 1, 2024 16:03:26 GMT
I thought barbara made excellent points re England footy team. Especially as I have been making the same points in chats with my chums. You'll be saying that barbara should be permitted to decide who to vote for without male advice next  |
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Post by mercian on Jul 1, 2024 16:06:05 GMT
barbara - I'm a bloke, but I know nothing about football. I do sometimes watch the games and analysis though, so I know what I'm talking about (obvs - I'm a bloke). So stand by for a bit of mansplaining. Your opinions on international football would be taken far more seriously if you sprinkled some key words across the analysis. But be careful - I've learned that these are heavily influenced by fashion. Up until quite recently, to be taken seriously as a half time pundit, you had to use the word 'wide' quite a lot. As in, 'they need to go wide', 'they're not stretching the defence out wide', 'if they use the wide balls this opens up space in the box' etc. This years word seems to be 'press'. As in 'England are hanging back - they need to press more', 'if you don't press you're gifting them space', 'Kane looks tired, where's the press?'. There are of course the perennial favourites with obligatory usage, like 'running into space', 'tempo' and any derivative of 'shape' ('losing shape at the back', 'look how they kept their shape' etc). And of course, to be taken seriously, you MUST at some point mention 'the back four'. So for example, where you write "When they seem to view possession alone as the main purpose of the match, the pace slows and they end up with endless passes baclwards towards their own goal while all standing still on the pitch" you should have said "when England drop the tempo the midfield lost their shape and weren't pressing, leaving the back four short of balls forward and no-one attacking the spaces'. You're absolutely right - it's complete bollocks and I've no idea what the f@ck it means, but at least they'll take you seriously. Am I right? @fecklessmiser - can we have a VAR on that? Very good! I find some of the radio commentary amusing. They have their own pet phrases. As well as the ones you mention there are these: a player never runs down the right (or left) it's always 'the right-hand side'. They all use that one. Also, even when the context is obvious it's never 'the club' it's always 'the football club'. Most of the players do this too. e.g. Interviewer: "How does it feel to have joined Liverpool?" Player: "I've always wanted to join this football club. It's a great football club". Well they didn't sign you for the darts team did they? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 16:22:29 GMT
I am inclined to agree with Peter Kellner's prediction that the Tories will end up with 150 - 200 seats. Labour majority of 150. Pete will be chuffed. |
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Post by graham on Jul 1, 2024 16:23:06 GMT
JLP NEW: @restispolitics June 28th - July 1st 2024 *Labour lead at 15 points* Change on last week in brackets LAB: 39% (-2) CON: 24% (-1) REF: 16% (+1) LDEM: 10% (-1) GRN: 5% (-) On a UNS basis those figures would not be disastrous for the Tories - implying circa 125 losses to Labour and circa 20 losses to the LDs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 16:23:41 GMT
I hear he is saving going over Niagara Falls in a barrel for the eve of poll. Sunak surely? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 16:30:17 GMT
I'm not creating an equivalence and didn't make any comparison. I was simply pointing out that mark61 's statement that he cannot stand any form of nationalism would exclude events such as the creation of an independent Ireland and the reunification of Northern Ireland with Ireland. You quoted me correctly the first time, but this time you Mis-quoted me, I thought I had clarified my position in my subsequent reply to you. Like joeboy, I too thought you were making an equivalence. I wonder sometimes if you remember having a vote on this issue in 2014 when the electorate said no thank you to independence. My own “snarky” view is that everybody here is bored rigid by this banging on about Scottish Nationalism. Their country voted against it and are very likely to do the same if asked again - who knows? But leaving that aside, and as I have pointed out in numerous occasions, being harangued about a subject that we have no say in and constantly criticised as though somehow it’s our fault has become tedious in the extreme. I'm heartily sick of it. |
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Post by bardin1 on Jul 1, 2024 16:37:18 GMT
I hear he is saving going over Niagara Falls in a barrel for the eve of poll. Sunak surely? Think Sunak is already up some creek or other. Apparently one near a sewage facility but we’ve been reassured there are rules about that unless it’s raining hard. And we know how good Sunak is at the old rain prediction game… Sadly it’s also been reported someone called Truss has hidden his paddle |
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Post by graham on Jul 1, 2024 16:44:29 GMT
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2024 17:01:19 GMT
"I hear he is saving going over Niagara Falls in a barrel for the eve of poll.
Sunak surely?"
Paul Why would Ed go over Sunakered in a barrel?
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Post by EmCat on Jul 1, 2024 17:02:05 GMT
In the saga of the leaflets...
Today, there were 2 Labour (personally addressed), along with the anonymous drop, which had an assortment, with a pizza place wrapped round them all:
Inside the pizza leaflet, 1 Labour, 1 Green, Another Labour, a hearing aid supplier, and a Reform one.
The Reform one is clearly relying on people not knowing what's what*, as it mentions "Stop the Boats and Leave the ECHR: Only Reform UK will turn the boats back to France and leave the undemocratic ECHR"
Sometimes I wonder whether those wanting to give up their human rights would be so keen if someone then proceeded to break some of them, such as "freedom from torture", using the individual as a testing ground.
* As an example of people not knowing what is meant, some years ago, a team set up a table in a high street, and wanted passers-by to sign their petition "End Women's Suffrage". A scary number thought it was about suffering, and not about being able to vote. Hence, the ECHR isn't expanded out on the leaflet, just in case people twig that they might actually want human rights, rather than thinking it is "some nasty EU stuff"
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Post by crossbat11 on Jul 1, 2024 17:05:44 GMT
You quoted me correctly the first time, but this time you Mis-quoted me, I thought I had clarified my position in my subsequent reply to you. Like joeboy, I too thought you were making an equivalence. I wonder sometimes if you remember having a vote on this issue in 2014 when the electorate said no thank you to independence. My own “snarky” view is that everybody here is bored rigid by this banging on about Scottish Nationalism. Their country voted against it and are very likely to do the same if asked again - who knows? But leaving that aside, and as I have pointed out in numerous occasions, being harangued about a subject that we have no say in and constantly criticised as though somehow it’s our fault has become tedious in the extreme. I'm heartily sick of it. I agree. The amount of vitriol, condescension and, on occasions, sneering unpleasantness associated with a lot of the exchanges on the subject is disturbing too. I get irritated by it and sometimes make the mistake of venturing into the debate, more often than not in a semi-serious micky-taking way. This attracted a vitriolic and personal attack from OldNat last night. In the short time I have left in this forum before my post election sabbatical, I will venture into the subject no more in my remaining few days. What I was called yesterday has probably hastened that departure. It has certainly reinforced the wisdom of it. I mean who wants to be on the receiving end of personal attacks whilst partaking in a pastime undertaken basically for amusement? Arguments contested, certainly, but vitriolic personal attacks? Not for me. |
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2024 17:10:59 GMT
After The christofascist supreme court states that the president is king, President Biden has announced that his victory coronation will take place on Monday 4th November.
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Post by graham on Jul 1, 2024 17:13:17 GMT
I have no details , but apparently there is a poll showing IDS holding Chingford & Woodford Green.
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Post by oldnat on Jul 1, 2024 17:20:06 GMT
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Post by Danny on Jul 1, 2024 17:25:38 GMT
As alluded to earlier the problem is also one of a lack of self-awareness. Many of the privately educated appear to believe their own propaganda that they are unalloyed genuises. They have a lack of perspective and assume they are inevitably more capable than others which may sometimes be the case but is most often not so. What you maybe need to remember is that the British empire ran on a presumption that the English were superior to the natives, and the ability to persuade the natives this was true. A sense of superiority. Johnson had it, Farage has it, Starmer does not. Blair was actually pretty good. Thatcher had buckets. |
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Post by oldnat on Jul 1, 2024 17:31:01 GMT
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2024 17:39:03 GMT
"I have no details , but apparently there is a poll showing IDS holding Chingford & Woodford Green"
Is it published on GBeebies there's no chance.
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2024 17:42:12 GMT
than others which may sometimes be the case but is most often not so.
What you maybe need to remember is that the British empire ran on a presumption that the English were superior to the natives, and the ability to persuade the natives this was true. A sense of superiority. Johnson had it, Farage has it, Starmer does not. Blair was actually pretty good. Thatcher had buckets. "
Spaffer is American and Blair is Scottish, Thatcher was born in the 6th circle of hell and Farage is from Mordor
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2024 17:45:37 GMT
"Sunak hints he might not quit as Tory leader immediately if he loses general election Rishi Sunak has hinted that he might not quit as Tory leader immediately if he loses the election on Thursday."  |
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Post by oldnat on Jul 1, 2024 18:09:07 GMT
YG have just published today the tables for their Scots poll of 18 June!
WM numbers somewhat out of date by now but FWIW
SNP 31%
Lab 34%
Con 11%
LD 7%
SGP 6%
REFUK 11%
Holyrood numbers are (with 22 months to go) : Changes with 7 June
Constituency
SNP 36% (+2)
Lab 30% (-5)
Con 13% (=)
LD 9% (-1)
SGP 4% (-1)
List
SNP 31% (+1)
Lab 27% (-2)
Con 12% (-2)
LD 8% (-1)
SGP 11% (=)
REFUK 8% (+3)
Indy
Yes 39% (+1)
No 45% (=)
DK 9% (-1)
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Post by alec on Jul 1, 2024 18:10:55 GMT
That Supreme Court ruling appears to be completely bizarre. It seems to grant absolute immunity to any president, so long as the actions they were taking were functions of the office of the president, and not taken in a personal capacity.
As with a post I made earlier on Conservative tinkering with the UK voting system, this has the loom of something that might end up being incredibly dangerous, but which could also backfire on Republicans.
I'm sure there must be some other part of the US system that kicks in here (although online, many people are saying there isn't) but let's just imagine. The Court has said that Trump, after losing the election, could not be prosecuted for trying to force the VP from signing off the electoral college vote or giving speeches calling for armed invasion of state buildings, because these actions are part of his duty as a president.
So what if Biden commands US Special Forces to kill Trump, on the basis that he is a threat to national security?
Is Biden immune from prosecution, as this is an action of the president official duties?
I think it's high time we all accepted that America has become the equivalent of a banana republic in terms of how it's democracy and judicial systems have been so thoroughly corrupted. This could have very serious ramifications.
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Post by steve on Jul 1, 2024 18:29:46 GMT
alec"That Supreme Court ruling appears to be completely bizarre. It seems to grant absolute immunity to any president, so long as the actions they were taking were functions of the office of the president, and not taken in a personal capacity." Indeed it would actually allow a president to order seal team six to assassinate his rivals as as commander in chief of US forces part of his function in the office of President this would be an official act. It's totally insane.
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Post by lens on Jul 1, 2024 18:34:57 GMT
In the saga of the leaflets... The Reform one is clearly relying on people not knowing what's what*, as it mentions "Stop the Boats and Leave the ECHR: Only Reform UK will turn the boats back to France and leave the undemocratic ECHR" ........* As an example of people not knowing what is meant, some years ago, a team set up a table in a high street, and wanted passers-by to sign their petition "End Women's Suffrage". A scary number thought it was about suffering, and not about being able to vote. Hence, the ECHR isn't expanded out on the leaflet, just in case people twig that they might actually want human rights, rather than thinking it is "some nasty EU stuff" I'm reminded of the campaign to ban dihydrogen monoxide. A chemical responsible annually for a large number of deaths, but which is absolutely vital to certain vested interests, from the US Navy, the entire nuclear industry, and even to such as the brewing industry. Even used as an additive in many food stuffs, including baby products! Much more information about it at www.dhmo.org/facts.html |
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Post by neilj on Jul 1, 2024 18:43:43 GMT
Savanta
🌹Lab 39 (+1)
🌳Con 24 (+3)
➡️Reform 13 (-1)
🔶LD 10 (-1)
🌍Green 4 (-2)
🎗️SNP 3 (+1)
⬜️Other 7 (=)
2,287 UK adults
28-30 June (chg from 26-28 June)
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Post by graham on Jul 1, 2024 18:51:27 GMT
So far we have had 3 polls tonight coming up with -
Lab 39%
Con 24%
Ref 13% - 16%
LD 10% - 12%
Grn 4% - 5%
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 1, 2024 19:01:10 GMT
Sterling work PJ. You must be doing good with your step count! My back and knees are not so convinced of the merits of all this. No pain no gain PJ. Just keep reminding yourself of what Streeting will be able to do in power… (Must say these days I am ever more grateful for whatever mobility I have. My back went last autumn and it was rather sobering…) |
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Post by hireton on Jul 1, 2024 19:09:29 GMT
I'm not creating an equivalence and didn't make any comparison. I was simply pointing out that mark61 's statement that he cannot stand any form of nationalism would exclude events such as the creation of an independent Ireland and the reunification of Northern Ireland with Ireland. You quoted me correctly the first time, but this time you Mis-quoted me, I thought I had clarified my position in my subsequent reply to you. Like joeboy, I too thought you were making an equivalence. I wonder sometimes if you remember having a vote on this issue in 2014 when the electorate said no thank you to independence. There was absolutely no reason why you should think I was making an equivalence. This is from your original post: "I have never been a fan of Nationalism in any guise" The question of the referendum on Scottish independence never arose and is irrelevant. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 1, 2024 19:18:44 GMT
My back and knees are not so convinced of the merits of all this. No pain no gain PJ. Just keep reminding yourself of what Streeting will be able to do in power… (Must say these days I am ever more grateful for whatever mobility I have. My back went last autumn and it was rather sobering…) I delivered more targeted leaflets this evening and decided to add up the total so far - 1,082. I have another 103 to deliver tomorrow. Just on other parties efforts. I have received two leaflets for Cleverly, both via the regular post rather than via volunteers, and one each from the Independent, Reform and Labour, again via regular mail. Nothing at all from Lib Dem or Green. 'Ground games' may or may not do any good, but it certainly seems to be the case that only Labour has one in these parts. The local Tory machine seems to have disappeared and indeed I have seen nothing of the Tory activists who were supposed to be being sent to help Cleverly. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 1, 2024 19:23:25 GMT
No pain no gain PJ. Just keep reminding yourself of what Streeting will be able to do in power… (Must say these days I am ever more grateful for whatever mobility I have. My back went last autumn and it was rather sobering…) I delivered more targeted leaflets this evening and decided to add up the total so far - 1,082. I have another 103 to deliver tomorrow. When you say targeted, are the leaflets different to what they got before? |
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