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Post by shevii on Jun 30, 2024 19:01:59 GMT
To be honest the way England played for the first 90 minutes I just wanted them put out of their misery and mine too! Fair dues that when they chased the game they were not doing this sideways passing among the defenders and had more of the play but some of that seemed to be down to Slovakia sitting back and tiring. I can't think of a tournament where I've ended up dipping in and out of a game and not being glued to the screen.
You always hope they can come good but I really have very strong doubts that we've not just survived to be put out of our misery next game.
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Post by johntel on Jun 30, 2024 19:04:10 GMT
I'll be attending hustings for Dorking and Horley (ex Mole Valley) at our local church tomorrow evening. It seems to be a racing cert that the Lib Dems will overturn the 12,000 Tory majority, but it'll be interesting to experience at first hand the reception the candidates get. I intend to submit a question about the candidates' personal opinions on rejoining the EU.
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 30, 2024 19:05:25 GMT
"Senior figures in the left-green New Popular Front (NFP) alliance - including Jean-Luc Mélenchon, the firebrand leader of Unbowed France (LFI) - have already pledged that in all constituencies where RN finished first and the NFP candidate third, the NFP candidate would withdraw."
Macron's lot have not yet returned the favour.
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Post by domjg on Jun 30, 2024 19:06:18 GMT
French estimates (very close to the last VI polls): Here are the estimates from IFOP: Far right National Rally: 34.2% Leftwing New Popular Front: 29.1% Emmanuel Macron’s allies Together: 21.5% Here are the estimates conducted for BFMTV: Far right National Rally: 33% Leftwing New Popular Front: 28.5% Emmanuel Macron’s allies Together: 22% I know little of French politics but surely if the the left and Macron's grouping work together they can freeze out the RN? Surely it's their national duty to do that? |
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Post by xanadan on Jun 30, 2024 19:09:17 GMT
So it is well known that England can't win a major football tournament under the Conservatives, hopefully that impediment will be removed on Thursday and our performances will improve?
The counterpoint might be that Rishi is Jude and he has a devastating blow to land next Wednesday and the Conservatives will scrape over the line...........nah!
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Post by oldnat on Jun 30, 2024 19:16:29 GMT
Hey Jude... Football..bloody hell. I think alec needs to report on excess deaths in England football supporters. It's getting too painful, even when they come from behind to win. They will have to play much better than this to beat Switzerland. |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 30, 2024 19:21:11 GMT
My practice of supporting the weaker/less fancied team certainly is making these games interesting!
I suppose that means I'll have to support England in the Quarter Final. 
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Post by mercian on Jun 30, 2024 19:21:13 GMT
mercian Blair achieved a net popularity rating just before the 97 general election of around +40% , sustained for two years after entering office. Not seen before or since. Thanks. As RAF said, it is at least very unusual for the (presumably) incoming PM to be so unpopular before he even starts. That was all my point was. It might mean that he doesn't get as much of the traditional 'honeymoon period' that incoming LOTO get. |
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Post by graham on Jun 30, 2024 19:29:37 GMT
Given the dire nature of Tory prospects, I am a little surprised that the likes of John Major and Kenneth Clarke have not been wheeled out to press party loyalty buttons and stiffen up support amongst traditional older Tory supporters.
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Post by chrisc on Jun 30, 2024 19:29:51 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 30, 2024 19:32:22 GMT
My practice of supporting the weaker/less fancied team certainly is making these games interesting!
I suppose that means I'll have to support England in the Quarter Final. Good to hear you support Scotland in every game they play. Even against the Faroe Islands. |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 30, 2024 19:32:52 GMT
Given the dire nature of Tory prospects, I am a little surprised that the likes of John Major and Kenneth Clarke have not been wheeled out to press party loyalty buttons and stiffen up support amongst traditional older Tory supporters. |
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Post by robbiealive on Jun 30, 2024 19:33:31 GMT
Given the dire nature of Tory prospects, I am a little surprised that the likes of John Major and Kenneth Clarke have not been wheeled out to press party loyalty buttons and stiffen up support amongst traditional older Tory supporters. If they had been asked presumably they would say no. Can't see them being much different from Hezza. He has attacked labour but his loyalism is laced with barbs. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 30, 2024 19:35:06 GMT
So it is well known that England can't win a major football tournament under the Conservatives, hopefully that impediment will be removed on Thursday and our performances will improve? The counterpoint might be that Rishi is Jude and he has a devastating blow to land next Wednesday and the Conservatives will scrape over the line...........nah! The Bellingham goal election night equivalent would be the exit poll announcement at 10.01pm that begins with "And we can tell you that the Conservatives are the largest party....... |
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Post by norbold on Jun 30, 2024 19:42:06 GMT
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Post by mercian on Jun 30, 2024 19:44:10 GMT
Far right National Rally leads first voting round - exit polls
France's far right National Rally party was seen leading the first round of parliamentary elections with around 33% of votes, according to exit polls.
Pollsters IFOP, Ipsos, OpinionWay and Elabe found the left wing New Popular Front coalition was seen coming in second with around 28.5%.
President Emmanuel Macron's centrist bloc was in the third spot with between 20.5-23%.
In an estimate for BFM TV, Elabe said the National Rally and its allies could win between 360 and 310 parliament seats in the second round of voting on 7 July.
Meanwhile, Ipsos projected a range of 230-280 seats for National Rally and its allies in a poll for France Television.
A total of 289 seats are needed for an absolute majority in the National Assembly - France's lower house of parliament. Sky News I wonder how our Europhiles feel about the far right making inroads in EU countries? I know some of you will say we could have been a moderating influence, but better not to be involved IMO. |
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Post by lefthanging on Jun 30, 2024 19:44:11 GMT
Thanks. As RAF said, it is at least very unusual for the (presumably) incoming PM to be so unpopular before he even starts. That was all my point was. It might mean that he doesn't get as much of the traditional 'honeymoon period' that incoming LOTO get. On the other hand the very low expectations this indicates might make it easier for him to impress. |
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Post by mercian on Jun 30, 2024 19:49:22 GMT
Given the dire nature of Tory prospects, I am a little surprised that the likes of John Major and Kenneth Clarke have not been wheeled out to press party loyalty buttons and stiffen up support amongst traditional older Tory supporters. It might just remind voters that the Tories were better back in the day. |
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Post by domjg on Jun 30, 2024 19:53:27 GMT
Far right National Rally leads first voting round - exit polls
France's far right National Rally party was seen leading the first round of parliamentary elections with around 33% of votes, according to exit polls.
Pollsters IFOP, Ipsos, OpinionWay and Elabe found the left wing New Popular Front coalition was seen coming in second with around 28.5%.
President Emmanuel Macron's centrist bloc was in the third spot with between 20.5-23%.
In an estimate for BFM TV, Elabe said the National Rally and its allies could win between 360 and 310 parliament seats in the second round of voting on 7 July.
Meanwhile, Ipsos projected a range of 230-280 seats for National Rally and its allies in a poll for France Television.
A total of 289 seats are needed for an absolute majority in the National Assembly - France's lower house of parliament. Sky News I wonder how our Europhiles feel about the far right making inroads in EU countries? I know some of you will say we could have been a moderating influence, but better not to be involved IMO. Says the man who supports Farage! 🙂 |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 30, 2024 19:58:28 GMT
I wonder how our Europhiles feel about the far right making inroads in EU countries? I know some of you will say we could have been a moderating influence, but better not to be involved IMO.
I agree that Scotland shouldn't be a moderating influence on English politics - at least until we are both members of a more sensible and beneficial union. |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 30, 2024 20:01:10 GMT
Given the dire nature of Tory prospects, I am a little surprised that the likes of John Major and Kenneth Clarke have not been wheeled out to press party loyalty buttons and stiffen up support amongst traditional older Tory supporters. It might just remind voters that the Tories were better back in the day. |
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Post by Lakeland Lass on Jun 30, 2024 20:02:12 GMT
Given the dire nature of Tory prospects, I am a little surprised that the likes of John Major and Kenneth Clarke have not been wheeled out to press party loyalty buttons and stiffen up support amongst traditional older Tory supporters. It wouldn't surprise me to find they were voting Labour this time round |
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Post by mandolinist on Jun 30, 2024 20:04:50 GMT
It seems the Biden family has gathered at Camp David, I really hope that they can lovingly and carefully convince him to stand down. It seems to me it must be rather like the awful conversations which happen all over the place when an elderly relative has to be deprived of their car keys for the safety of others, except in this case it is the safety of democracy in the USA that is at stake.
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Post by mercian on Jun 30, 2024 20:09:10 GMT
I wonder how our Europhiles feel about the far right making inroads in EU countries? I know some of you will say we could have been a moderating influence, but better not to be involved IMO. Says the man who supports Farage! 🙂 I don't consider Reform to be far right. They might have some far right members and candidates but that's not the same thing. Labour have some far left members and MPs but they're not a far left party. I won't pretend to know all the policies of the various EU right-wing parties, but my impression is that some of them at least are a lot further right than Reform. I have gone off Farage personally a bit because of his equivocal stance on the Russia-Ukraine war. I think the reaction to his remarks has been a bit overdone, but he seemed to just use the situation to have another go at the EU. That battle is over for a generation. |
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Post by domjg on Jun 30, 2024 20:09:34 GMT
It might just remind voters that the Tories were better back in the day. As opposed to the positive, society changing interventionism of the SNP or was that just in the imagination? |
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Post by domjg on Jun 30, 2024 20:11:54 GMT
Says the man who supports Farage! 🙂 I don't consider Reform to be far right. They might have some far right members and candidates but that's not the same thing. Labour have some far left members and MPs but they're not a far left party. I won't pretend to know all the policies of the various EU right-wing parties, but my impression is that some of them at least are a lot further right than Reform. I have gone off Farage personally a bit because of his equivocal stance on the Russia-Ukraine war. I think the reaction to his remarks has been a bit overdone, but he seemed to just use the situation to have another go at the EU. That battle is over for a generation. It's not really of any consequence whether you consider them to be far right or not. With their Putinism, anti Europeanism and clearly on display base racism they just are. Le Pen advocates neither leaving the EU or abandoning Ukraine. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 30, 2024 20:14:00 GMT
It might just remind voters that the Tories were better back in the day. Talking of corruption in government, how's Operation Branchform getting on? |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 30, 2024 20:17:30 GMT
Far right National Rally leads first voting round - exit polls
France's far right National Rally party was seen leading the first round of parliamentary elections with around 33% of votes, according to exit polls.
Pollsters IFOP, Ipsos, OpinionWay and Elabe found the left wing New Popular Front coalition was seen coming in second with around 28.5%.
President Emmanuel Macron's centrist bloc was in the third spot with between 20.5-23%.
In an estimate for BFM TV, Elabe said the National Rally and its allies could win between 360 and 310 parliament seats in the second round of voting on 7 July.
Meanwhile, Ipsos projected a range of 230-280 seats for National Rally and its allies in a poll for France Television.
A total of 289 seats are needed for an absolute majority in the National Assembly - France's lower house of parliament. Sky News I wonder how our Europhiles feel about the far right making inroads in EU countries? There hasn’t been much interest in the French exit polls...😕 |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 30, 2024 20:19:02 GMT
Given the dire nature of Tory prospects, I am a little surprised that the likes of John Major and Kenneth Clarke have not been wheeled out to press party loyalty buttons and stiffen up support amongst traditional older Tory supporters. It might just remind voters that the Tories were better back in the day. Like in the fifties... |
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Post by mark61 on Jun 30, 2024 20:20:20 GMT
My practice of supporting the weaker/less fancied team certainly is making these games interesting!
I suppose that means I'll have to support England in the Quarter Final. Come on Old Nat, we all know that's highly unlikely! Maybe against the Klingons xi otherwise not.  |
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