oldnat
Member
Extremist - Undermining the UK state and its institutions
Posts: 6,131
|
Post by oldnat on Jun 29, 2024 19:47:48 GMT
Seems to be a little damp in Dortmund.
|
|
|
|
Post by robbiealive on Jun 29, 2024 19:53:28 GMT
So noticeable how respectful the Germans are to the Danish national anthem than the English are to any other country’s one. Each of the four constituent parts of the UK can have its own anthem. You lot can hv Scotland the Brave. The Welsh are always singing so they will be spoilt for choice. Northen Ireland will need two anthems. We get Jerusalem, which mentions England 2 or 3 times. We get beautiful poetry composed by a firece radical who was tried and acquitted of treason. Of course in those days it was hard to get a conviction for treason by words, as you had to prove to a sceptical jury that the meaning was unequivocably treasonable. These days any trumped-up old charge will do. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 19:56:22 GMT
Seems to be a little damp in Dortmund. Vortickle reen, as they say in Geordie land. Divvunt nah what they say in in that Gormunny. |
|
|
|
Post by mercian on Jun 29, 2024 20:05:14 GMT
So noticeable how respectful the Germans are to the Danish national anthem than the English are to any other country’s one. How often is the verse about Marshal Wade sung north of the border? |
|
oldnat
Member
Extremist - Undermining the UK state and its institutions
Posts: 6,131
|
Post by oldnat on Jun 29, 2024 20:12:39 GMT
Maybe because England doesn't have its own anthem, they don't understand the concept? How often is the verse about Marshal Wade sung north of the border? |
|
|
|
Post by alec on Jun 29, 2024 20:15:05 GMT
Ukraine: Reports coming in of Ukrainian successes in Vovchansk, an urban area NE of Kharkiv subject to a major Russian attack in the May offensive. Interestingly, there are accompanying reports suggesting that Ukrainian airplanes have been operating in the area with little resistance, leading some observers to suggest that they may have achieved air superiority, locally at least. This fits with the prolonged targeting of Russian air defence systems over recent weeks, with multiple systems claimed to have been destroyed (and apparently confirmed by video, as well as Russian commentaries online). It's also rumoured that the F16's are at last in Ukraine.
If these developments are confirmed, then it looks significant. One of the reasons the Russian invasion has faltered is that they have failed to secure complete air superiority, but at the same time, Ukraine's aerial capabilities have been largely limited to drones. If Ukraine is moving towards a position where it can achieve dominance of the air, at least in certain areas, then the prospects for sustained pushes on the ground start to become a bit more realistic.
|
|
|
|
Post by mark61 on Jun 29, 2024 20:19:07 GMT
"NEW Westminster Voting Intention for Sunday @telegraph 📈Lowest Labour vote share since January 2022 🌹Lab 38 (-4) 🌳Con 21 (=) ➡️Reform 14 (=) 🔶LD 11 (+1) 🌍Green 6 (+1) 🎗️SNP 2 (-1) ⬜️Other 7 (+1) 2,092 UK adults 26-28 June (chg from 21-24 June)" Mind the gap. I think Labour supporters would be delighted if the Poll was, say 43-26 with the SNP on 2% |
|
|
|
Post by crossbat11 on Jun 29, 2024 20:20:19 GMT
Yes, I clocked that Swiss result too It appears that they're on a bit of roll now. I wouldn't bank on them winning the tournament though. I remain guarded about their prospects. I really dislike Swiss puns. Swiss puns approaching bern out now. |
|
|
|
Post by robbiealive on Jun 29, 2024 20:20:48 GMT
More Oppression. 1. Yesterday 30 JSO members were locked up under the conspiracy clauses of the Public Order Act(2023). They were handcuffed despite the fact that, as I hv said 10 fucking times, JSO people are non-violent. Brit cops obviously watch too many cop shows & of course are attempting to brand the JSO people as terroists. Pathetic performative stuff for PR purposes. I'm surprised that our ex-cop Lib-Dem multiple poster has nothing to say, the Lib-Dems being the libertarian party par excellence, or perhaps they are cowed as everyone else. news.sky.com/story/police-arrest-key-just-stop-oil-organisers-but-group-says-they-were-just-having-soup-131601542. Today 30 protestors about Palestine were arrested prior to attending & perhaps demonstrating at London Pride, under same Act. Perhaps the British plod were alerted by such demonstrations at numerous US Pride events. Of course Israel has an excellent recod on LGBT+ matters while Hamas & middle-eastern states generally take an oppressive stance. We shouild be deeply suspicious of conspiracy arrests for obvious reasons. Now the police are using them in wholesale fashion to repress protest. |
|
|
|
Post by crossbat11 on Jun 29, 2024 20:24:01 GMT
"NEW Westminster Voting Intention for Sunday @telegraph 📈Lowest Labour vote share since January 2022 🌹Lab 38 (-4) 🌳Con 21 (=) ➡️Reform 14 (=) 🔶LD 11 (+1) 🌍Green 6 (+1) 🎗️SNP 2 (-1) ⬜️Other 7 (+1) 2,092 UK adults 26-28 June (chg from 21-24 June)" Mind the gap. I think Labour supporters would be delighted if the Poll was, say 43-26 with the SNP on 2% I think 2% is the lowest vote share Savanta have ever recorded for the SNP. It's meltdown territory for them. On that basis I'm slightly surprised Hireton shared the poll with us. Fair dos to him for doing so. |
|
|
|
Post by robbiealive on Jun 29, 2024 20:30:08 GMT
Mind the gap. I think Labour supporters would be delighted if the Poll was, say 43-26 with the SNP on 2% I think 2% is the lowest vote share Savanta have ever recorded for the SNP. It's meltdown territory for them. On that basis I'm slightly surprised Hireton shared the poll with us. Fair dos to him for doing so. Actually I think hireton is very prompt & indeed even-handed in his posting of polls. Of course whether it should be dos or do's is controversial. Dos I think is approved tho do's has its defenders as it brings out the sound & can also be regarded as an abbreviation of .fair dues. |
|
pjw1961
Member
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.
Posts: 8,572
|
Post by pjw1961 on Jun 29, 2024 20:30:50 GMT
Maybe because England doesn't have its own anthem, they don't understand the concept? Each of the four constituent parts of the UK can have its own anthem. You lot can hv Scotland the Brave. The Welsh are always singing so they will be spoilt for choice. Northen Ireland will need two anthems. We get Jerusalem, which mentions England 2 or 3 times. We get beautiful poetry composed by a firece radical who was tried and acquitted of treason. Of course in those days it was hard to get a conviction for treason by words, as you had to prove to a sceptical jury that the meaning was unequivocably treasonable. These days any trumped-up old charge will do. Putting aside that Scotland and Wales already have anthems, as widely used by their sports teams (Flower of Scotland and Land of My Fathers/Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau respectively), I doubt that Farage would approve of Jerusalem for England - he is not keen on the feet of middle eastern immigrants walking upon England's mountains green and if around at the time would have told the countenance divine to clear off back to Judea sharpish. |
|
oldnat
Member
Extremist - Undermining the UK state and its institutions
Posts: 6,131
|
Post by oldnat on Jun 29, 2024 20:40:30 GMT
Mind the gap. I think Labour supporters would be delighted if the Poll was, say 43-26 with the SNP on 2% I think 2% is the lowest vote share Savanta have ever recorded for the SNP. It's meltdown territory for them. On that basis I'm slightly surprised Hireton shared the poll with us. Fair dos to him for doing so. |
|
|
|
Post by robbiealive on Jun 29, 2024 20:49:42 GMT
Each of the four constituent parts of the UK can have its own anthem. You lot can hv Scotland the Brave. The Welsh are always singing so they will be spoilt for choice. Northen Ireland will need two anthems. We get Jerusalem, which mentions England 2 or 3 times. We get beautiful poetry composed by a firece radical who was tried and acquitted of treason. Of course in those days it was hard to get a conviction for treason by words, as you had to prove to a sceptical jury that the meaning was unequivocably treasonable. These days any trumped-up old charge will do. Putting aside that Scotland and Wales already have anthems, as widely used by their sports teams (Flower of Scotland and Land of My Fathers/Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau respectively), I doubt that Farage would approve of Jerusalem for England - he is not keen on the feet of middle eastern immigrants walking upon England's mountains green and if around at the time would have told the countenance divine to clear off back to Judea sharpish. Ha ha. Don't watch much international sport sodidn't know that. Anyway Arrows of Desire is used in what is probably Hendrix's greatest number, the long version of Voodoo Chile with Winwood on Electric Ladyland. If it's good enough for Jimi ,,, My arrows are made of desire
From far away as Jupiter's mines
Yeah, my arrows are made of desire, desire
Far away as Jupiter's mines
Pretty good
Bring me my Bow of burning gold:
Bring me my arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!
Perfection |
|
|
|
Post by lefthanging on Jun 29, 2024 20:52:03 GMT
I doubt that Farage would approve of Jerusalem for England - he is not keen on the feet of middle eastern immigrants walking upon England's mountains green and if around at the time would have told the countenance divine to clear off back to Judea sharpish. Well he certainly wouldn't be very keen on the teaching of said middle eastern immigrant - for one it's too hard to square a net zero immigration policy with the command to love one's neighbour. He'd probably quite like Love Thy Neighbour though. |
|
neilj
Member
Posts: 6,390
|
Post by neilj on Jun 29, 2024 20:59:26 GMT
Brilliant one of the best 😀 But Farage really does have a thin skin and no sense of humour. His first reaction was for someone who works at the centre to be sacked because led by donkeys inserted a picture on the stage saying Putin loves Farage x.com/ByDonkeys/status/1807141707571454290 |
|
oldnat
Member
Extremist - Undermining the UK state and its institutions
Posts: 6,131
|
Post by oldnat on Jun 29, 2024 21:11:24 GMT
Maybe because England doesn't have its own anthem, they don't understand the concept? Each of the four constituent parts of the UK can have its own anthem. You lot can hv Scotland the Brave. The Welsh are always singing so they will be spoilt for choice. Northen Ireland will need two anthems. We get Jerusalem, which mentions England 2 or 3 times. We get beautiful poetry composed by a firece radical who was tried and acquitted of treason. Of course in those days it was hard to get a conviction for treason by words, as you had to prove to a sceptical jury that the meaning was unequivocably treasonable. These days any trumped-up old charge will do.
In Rugby (and some other sports), where it's an all-Ireland team, the Soldier's Song is sung at home games in addition to Ireland's Call, which was composed to cross the sectarian and national divides, and is the single anthem used at away games. |
|
|
|
Post by mark61 on Jun 29, 2024 21:15:18 GMT
Led by Donkeys, chefs Kiss! Nigel is rocking that Alan Partridge look!
|
|
|
|
Post by eor on Jun 29, 2024 21:32:07 GMT
NEW Westminster Voting Intention for Sunday @telegraph 📈Lowest Labour vote share since January 2022 🌹Lab 38 (-4) 🌳Con 21 (=) ➡️Reform 14 (=) 🔶LD 11 (+1) 🌍Green 6 (+1) 🎗️SNP 2 (-1) 2,092 UK adults 26-28 June Always interesting when you see one lot of parties losing 5% share, but the others only gaining 2%. You get that sometimes with rounding - what's curious here is that the six biggest parties only add up to 92 - even if they were all on the absolute cusp of being rounded up rather than down that would still only make 95%, and 5% feels like a lot for Plaid, NI parties, Independents and other Others? |
|
|
|
Post by eor on Jun 29, 2024 21:39:43 GMT
I did verification of postal votes once or I think twice in the past. It was clear you were there to ensure good practice by the council officers managing the opening. It was made quite clear we were not there to count of verify votes but the agent said officers are not infallible and if you know where your candidate (Lab) is on the ballot paper you can get a good idea of how it's going in a general sense. I suppose you could use what you see to colour your view of how the poll would go but it would be very tenuous and certainly in my case I would never trust my judgment, certainly not enough to think could bet with inside data. Frankly, I thought it was a waste of time, but I was enthusiastic then and had time on my hands. I fed back that Tory had more than us, I thought, and the organiser shrugged and said the Tories have always been better at getting PVs - don't panic. That sums it up for me - even if you could get a clear sense that your party was doing better than you expected in the postal vote returns, you still wouldn't know if that meant your support was higher or just that more of your people had cast their one vote by that method this time around. That seems particularly likely to be a risk with an election that happens at an unusual time of year, as this and the previous one both did. |
|
|
|
Post by moby on Jun 29, 2024 21:42:37 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 42% (=)
CON: 21% (+1)
RFM: 16% (-1)
LDM: 11% (=)
GRN: 4% (=)
SNP: 3% (=)
Via @deltapolluk, 27-29 Jun.
Changes w/ 24-26 Jun.
|
|
|
|
Post by alec on Jun 29, 2024 21:49:28 GMT
Further Ukraine news tonight: reports (from Russian sources, usually apparently reliable) of outbreaks of cholera in Russia units in the Kherson area. It appears that the cholera bacteria is endemic in many areas in Ukraine, and the suggestion is that Ukrainian abilities to disrupt Russian logistics is having serious impacts, as water is one item that is heavy and bulky and needed in constant, large volumes. Failure to provide fresh water or adequate filtration kits means a cholera outbreak is always possible, and while it is easily treatable, if treatments aren't available quickly, the mortality rate rises to over 50%.
Some are suggesting another Russian disaster is in the offing.
|
|
|
|
Post by leftieliberal on Jun 29, 2024 21:50:09 GMT
Always interesting when you see one lot of parties losing 5% share, but the others only gaining 2%. You get that sometimes with rounding - what's curious here is that the six biggest parties only add up to 92 - even if they were all on the absolute cusp of being rounded up rather than down that would still only make 95%, and 5% feels like a lot for Plaid, NI parties, Independents and other Others? Northern Ireland's population is 2.7% of the UK population, Plaid is typically around 0.6% in GB polls, so that's over 3% of your 5% straightaway. |
|
|
|
Post by mark61 on Jun 29, 2024 21:50:15 GMT
Always thought Delta Poll were the Gold Standard.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 21:58:07 GMT
Mind the gap. I think Labour supporters would be delighted if the Poll was, say 43-26 with the SNP on 2% I think 2% is the lowest vote share Savanta have ever recorded for the SNP. It's meltdown territory for them. On that basis I'm slightly surprised Hireton shared the poll with us. Fair dos to him for doing so. A 50% drop in support from last time is, indeed, molto dramatico - as we say in Scotland. |
|
|
|
Post by leftieliberal on Jun 29, 2024 21:58:52 GMT
In "you really couldn't make it up" the BBC reports
Reform UK has dropped three of its candidates following reports they had made offensive or racist comments, a spokesman has said.
Asked what Reform would say to voters in the constituencies where the candidates had been dropped, the party spokesman said he would “encourage them to vote for the party, by voting for these people on the ballot paper".
So even though Reform has kicked out these people for being racists, they still want people in their constituencies to vote for racists. 'Nuff said. |
|
|
|
Post by shevii on Jun 29, 2024 22:09:09 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by eor on Jun 29, 2024 22:10:44 GMT
Thanks to eor and crossbat11 for recent posts on USA and UK politics respectively. Those rare nuggets are the reason I still visit the site. Thinking of how ludicrous our political system is, can someone advise how many UK constituencies are won with less than 50% of the vote? Paul Thanks for that Paul. I saw several people have given links, but the direct answer to your question is 229 constituencies were won with less than 50% of the vote share in the 2019 GE. As might be expected due to number of parties involved, that figure includes most of the seats in Northern Ireland and Scotland, and the majority of the seats in Wales. The Tories won 85 of them and Labour 82 in 2019, and for what it's worth the Tories were second in almost all of those Labour seats. More mixed picture for the Tory seats - Labour second in the majority of them but LD second in 20 of them and SNP in 5. |
|
|
|
Post by RAF on Jun 29, 2024 22:14:15 GMT
Always thought Delta Poll were the Gold Standard. Haha! In fairness, either poll would give Labour a so-called "super majority". Even th3 38/21 one (via Electoral Calculus) would give Lab an overall majority of around 260. |
|
|
|
Post by eor on Jun 29, 2024 22:22:06 GMT
You get that sometimes with rounding - what's curious here is that the six biggest parties only add up to 92 - even if they were all on the absolute cusp of being rounded up rather than down that would still only make 95%, and 5% feels like a lot for Plaid, NI parties, Independents and other Others? Northern Ireland's population is 2.7% of the UK population, Plaid is typically around 0.6% in GB polls, so that's over 3% of your 5% straightaway. Given the people/groups you highlighted in bold got about 3.3% of the vote in 2019 that suggests that 5% as a mathematical *minimum* is oddly high for them now? It feels like either the way the poll has been reported is not quite right (and we've seen that before, to be fair!) or they're picking up an unusually high amount of voting for Independents/Others? |
|
