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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 17:06:35 GMT
While Biden was having a senior moment which was highly regrettable at the debate worth remembering the traitor is a lying lunatic all the time. I'm so relieved! The saga this year seems to have seen both sides doubling down on their perceived weak points. Rather reminiscent of our own election? Starmer on the TV live addressing a rally. He is just streets ahead of the US candidates performance. For Balance, Ed Davies has done a lot to present himself as human, even if maybe admitting he doesnt need the gravitas of a future PM because that isnt going to happen. And for more balance I should mention Sunak, though maybe he'd prefer I dont mention his best performances. (I asked someone what they thought was his best performance and the answer was in condeming the recent racist comments attributed to reform. Not something planned by his party. However someone else noted he has now entered into a spat between Kemi Badenoch and David Tennant over trans rights. Conservatve record on non heterosexual rights is terrible, though despite the PM frankly so is the conservative record on alternative nationality rights. I was talking to a young gay guy, and its staggering just how much society attitudes have changed. None of which should be credited to conservatives, who resisted it every step of the way.) edit: This last little attack on Sunak reached my informant via the medium of facebook, whereas I didnt notice a mention of it on here. Perhaps an example of internet media influence. |
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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 17:09:58 GMT
It is an offence to try to find out how someone has voted in a polling stationand to photograph ballot papers in polling stations. The Elections Act 2022 extended these requirements to apply to postal and proxy votes as well as votes cast in polling stations. So what? No ones vote seems to have been identified, no one took any pictures? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 17:22:33 GMT
Yesterday Starmer took calls from 10.00 - 11.00am on BBC5 Live with Nicky Campbell. At 10.25 I rang in giving details of my political background with a view to speaking to Starmer.I would have explained that as a former Labour PPC I felt unable to vote Labour this time on the basis that I was persuaded that he had shown himself to be a compulsive liar comparable to Boris Johnson albeit in a different way.The person I spoke to appeared interested…. They’re probably trained to sound interested.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 17:26:40 GMT
Difficult to tear myself away from the riveting discussion on the ins and outs of postal votes, but are there any polls being released tonight? Not sure if it’s as good as reaching the 100th iteration of: “I think Starmer is a compulsive liar.” You can’t really get enough of that. |
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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 17:26:51 GMT
There is a concept in british political parties of collective responsibility. Any representative of that party is expected in public to follow the agreed compromise line of the entire party. Not to say what they personally believe, but push the party platform. It follows that every member of such a party is required to lie in public. As an example, the Bexhill MP Merriman was a remainer, campaigned for remain but then declared himself converted and a supporter of brexit when remain lost. Can anyone honestly believe his views on the merits of Brexit changed overnight when he heard the result? Not a chance! A number of others felt so strongly about this they refused to accept the new party line, and left parliament. What would you suggest they do instead? Its a requirement of our political system that politicians lie to voters. Johnson had the knack to tease voters along, 'OK I am lying and you know I'm lying, it a game we play with you voters'. I think peope liked his honesty in admitting the parties always lie. Its like being entertained by a stage magician.
But that misses the point here. Starmer was putting himself forward for a position - Leader of the Labour party - on the basis that he believed in a certain set of policies. Collective responisibility does not enter into the specifc promises which he made as a candidate at that election. He alone bears responsibility for making them - and subsequently running away from them. Having been elected leader, he is now required to present the parties agreed policies whether he agrees with them or not. That the current set differ from the first doesnt prove anything except as i said, all politicians are required to lie when talking publicly about their parties political position and how they completely endorse it. Maybe Farage has the option of telling it how he sees it, if he chooses to, because he controls the party himself. But even there he is likely presenting an agreed position after discussions. Do not expect truth from any modern party politician. For that matter dont expect if from any ruling dictator either, for slightly different reasons. This is why many democracies stress the importance of press freedom and immunity from legal intervention, so that someone is calling out the lies. Witness the historical maxims, 'power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely' and the rather older so its in latin 'Qui custodet ipsos custodes.' But bearing in mind the one attributed to Churchill, 'democracy is the worst political system, except for all the others'. |
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Post by steve on Jun 29, 2024 17:32:48 GMT
Reform UK co-deputy leader Ben Habib said Andrew Parker, who was filmed using a racial slur to describe Rishi Sunak, is a “disgusting human being”.
Habib said he would “absolutely abhor any racism” in the party and suggested Parker portrayed himself as a “gammon” character in the Channel 4 footage which was recorded by an undercover journalist.Reform UK co-deputy leader Ben Habib said Andrew Parker, who was filmed using a racial slur to describe Rishi Sunak, is a “disgusting human being”.
Habib said he would “absolutely abhor any racism” in the party and suggested Parker portrayed himself as a “gammon” character in the Channel 4 footage which was recorded by an undercover journalist.
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Would that be the same Habib who would happily see asylum seekers drown in the channel!
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 29, 2024 17:33:35 GMT
NEW Westminster Voting Intention for Sunday @telegraph Savanta 📈Lowest Labour vote share since January 2022 🌹Lab 38 (-4) 🌳Con 21 (=) ➡️Reform 14 (=) 🔶LD 11 (+1) 🌍Green 6 (+1) 🎗️SNP 2 (-1) 2,092 UK adults 26-28 June  Attachments:
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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 17:41:15 GMT
NEW Westminster Voting Intention for Sunday @telegraph 📈Lowest Labour vote share since January 2022 🌹Lab 38 (-4) 🌳Con 21 (=) ➡️Reform 14 (=) 🔶LD 11 (+1) 🌍Green 6 (+1) 🎗️SNP 2 (-1) 2,092 UK adults 26-28 June Always interesting when you see one lot of parties losing 5% share, but the others only gaining 2%. |
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Post by neilj on Jun 29, 2024 17:42:20 GMT
Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (25-27 June 2024)
Con: 20% (+2 from 24-25 June)
Lab: 37% (+1)
Reform UK: 17% (=)
Lib Dem: 13% (-2)
Green: 7% (-1)
SNP: 3% (=)
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Post by mercian on Jun 29, 2024 17:49:40 GMT
I wonder if these polls with Labour below 40% could be because everyone expects Labour to win handsomely, so tactical Labour voters are returning to parties that they really prefer.
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Post by graham on Jun 29, 2024 17:57:25 GMT
Yesterday Starmer took calls from 10.00 - 11.00am on BBC5 Live with Nicky Campbell. At 10.25 I rang in giving details of my political background with a view to speaking to Starmer.I would have explained that as a former Labour PPC I felt unable to vote Labour this time on the basis that I was persuaded that he had shown himself to be a compulsive liar comparable to Boris Johnson albeit in a different way.The person I spoke to appeared interested…. They’re probably trained to sound interested. I have to say you do so very well at that yourself! |
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Post by alec on Jun 29, 2024 18:01:24 GMT
Switzerland knock out the holders?
Scotland only draw with the best.
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Post by alec on Jun 29, 2024 18:03:04 GMT
graham - it takes a lot to get onto phone ins. You need something interesting to say, and to be able to avoid sounding like a ranter. I'm unsure how your approach might have come across.
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Post by graham on Jun 29, 2024 18:11:27 GMT
Opinium
Lab 40% (NC)
Con 20% (NC)
Ref 17% (+1)
LD 13% (+1)
Grn 6% (-3)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 18:12:55 GMT
They’re probably trained to sound interested. I have to say you do so very well at that yourself! There’s quite a difference between finding something extremely and repetitively irritating and actually being “interested” in it Graham. |
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Post by neilj on Jun 29, 2024 18:22:55 GMT
Norstat Scotland poll
Con 13(-1)
Reform 8 (+1)
LD 8 (+1)
SNP 31 (+1)
Lab 35 (+1)
Greens 3 (-1)
Alba 1
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 29, 2024 18:29:56 GMT
For the record there will be 57 local government by-elections held on 4th July. I will not be covering these - if anyone is interested they are here: vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/18962/local-council-elections-july-2024?page=1At least they should get a decent turnout! One Scottish one will face the delights of a administering two different franchises - 16 and 17 year olds will be able to vote in the local by-election but not the General Election taking place at the same time. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 29, 2024 18:41:32 GMT
Healthwatch photo of a neuron exploding with sarscov2 (which I find only very alarming) Attachments:
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Post by graham on Jun 29, 2024 18:45:11 GMT
It has just occurred to me that the Greens are contesting 614 seats this year compared with 494 in 2019. That alone should be sufficient to boost the party's vote share to circa 3.5%.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 29, 2024 18:48:47 GMT
Switzerland knock out the holders? Scotland only draw with the best. Yes, I clocked that Swiss result too It appears that they're on a bit of roll now. I wouldn't bank on them winning the tournament though. I remain guarded about their prospects. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 29, 2024 18:50:01 GMT
More info. in the Savanta poll “ But with a vote share of 38 per cent – compared to the Tories’ 21 per cent and Reform’s 14 per cent – Labour is on course for a majority of more than 260 seats if the current figures are replicated on on Thursday, seat modeller Electoral Calculus predicts.
Such a scenario would leave Labour with 459 seats, the Conservatives 75 and the Liberal Democrats 70. Reform would gain five seats, giving it a total of six, while in Scotland the SNP would be reduced to a rump of 14 MPs.
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The polling also found voters expect NHS waiting times and housing to improve under a Labour government. Waiting times are expected to get better by 45 per cent of Britons, while 27 per cent think they will get worse. Forty-three per cent anticipate the housing crisis to ease, and 25 per cent think it will worsen.
However, the public is more split on whether Labour would make the economy better or worse (40 per cent versus 38 per cent), as well as life in general (34 per cent versus 30 per cent) and crime (32 per cent versus 33 per cent).
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Mr Sunak is highly likely to lose power on Thursday, bringing 14 years of Tory rule to an end. But the public is split on who should succeed him and, when presented with a list of seven potential future leaders, 26 per cent said they did not know while 20 per cent said “none of these”.
Most popular among all voters was Nigel Farage, who leads Reform UK but has refused to rule out a return to the Conservative Party at some point in the future. This may factor in Labour voters who believe Mr Farage is more beatable than Ms Mordaunt, as suggested by recent head-to-head YouGov surveys.
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Seventeen per cent of voters said Mr Farage would be best to succeed Mr Sunak, while 16 per cent opted for Ms Mordaunt, who is fighting for re-election in what is expected to be a close race in Portsmouth North.
She emerged as the firm favourite among those planning to vote Conservative, with 32 per cent saying that she should succeed her former leadership rival. Just 13 per cent opted for Mr Farage, while Kemi Badenoch, Tom Tugendhat, Suella Braverman, Priti Patel and Robert Jenrick all polled in single figures.”Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 19:00:11 GMT
So noticeable how respectful the Germans are to the Danish national anthem than the English are to any other country’s one.
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Post by mercian on Jun 29, 2024 19:02:38 GMT
Seventeen per cent of voters said Mr Farage would be best to succeed Mr Sunak, while 16 per cent opted for Ms Mordaunt, who is fighting for re-election in what is expected to be a close race in Portsmouth North.
She emerged as the firm favourite among those planning to vote Conservative, with 32 per cent saying that she should succeed her former leadership rival. Just 13 per cent opted for Mr Farage, while Kemi Badenoch, Tom Tugendhat, Suella Braverman, Priti Patel and Robert Jenrick all polled in single figures.”I wonder if it's ever happened before that among voters planning to vote for one party, the second favourite to lead their own party currently leads another? I doubt whether Cameron would have been the the running to lead Labour for instance, or Corbyn the Conservatives.  |
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Post by mercian on Jun 29, 2024 19:09:35 GMT
So noticeable how respectful the Germans are to the Danish national anthem than the English are to any other country’s one. That's because the other countries are foreigners. I was disappointed to read that singers of the famous song "10 German Bombers" have been threatened with the sack if they are caught on video.  |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 29, 2024 19:17:57 GMT
Tactical voting will propel Labour to victory over the SNP and may help the Tories avoid crushing general election losses despite the party’s plunging support in Scotland, a new poll suggests.
One in five voters intend to vote for a candidate purely to either thwart a rival party or because they believe their preferred option has no chance of winning in their constituency.
Research has suggested that anti-Conservative voting will have a significant impact in several English seats but the party’s Unionist credentials appear be shoring up Tory support in Scotland.
Unionists are far more likely to vote for a certain party not because they support it but because it is the one most likely to defeat the SNP where they are. Analysis by Nortstat, which acquired the research panel Panelbase, suggests almost half (49 per cent) of those who plan to vote tactically are doing so to defeat the SNP.
Of the rest who are voting tactically, 39 per cent are doing so in an attempt to unseat the Conservatives.
The dual impact appears to benefit Labour, which has a four-point lead over the SNP and will reap the rewards particularly in central and western Scotland.
However, analysis by Sir John Curtice, the polling expert, found that it could also lead to the Tories holding six seats — despite Douglas Ross, the outgoing Scottish Conservative leader, proving to be less popular than Nigel Farage north of the border.
The poll found that support for the Conservatives dropped by a point to 13 per cent while backing for Farage’s Reform UK Party increased by one point to 8 per cent, the same as the Liberal Democrats.
Both Labour and the SNP increased their share of the vote by a point to 35 per cent and 31 per cent, respectively. The Greens scored 3 per cent and Alba 1 per cent.
According to Curtice’s projections, this would result in Labour returning 28 MPs, up from its cohort of two before parliament was dissolved, while the SNP would have 18, the Conservatives six and the Lib Dems five.
However, Curtice said that small moves towards anti-Tory tactical voting “could prove fatal to the party’s hopes of maintaining its Scottish representation”.
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Post by oldnat on Jun 29, 2024 19:24:31 GMT
So noticeable how respectful the Germans are to the Danish national anthem than the English are to any other country’s one. |
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Post by hireton on Jun 29, 2024 19:26:45 GMT
"NEW Westminster Voting Intention for Sunday @telegraph
📈Lowest Labour vote share since January 2022
🌹Lab 38 (-4)
🌳Con 21 (=)
➡️Reform 14 (=)
🔶LD 11 (+1)
🌍Green 6 (+1)
🎗️SNP 2 (-1)
⬜️Other 7 (+1)
2,092 UK adults
26-28 June (chg from 21-24 June)"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 19:37:51 GMT
Switzerland knock out the holders? Scotland only draw with the best. Yes, I clocked that Swiss result too It appears that they're on a bit of roll now. I wouldn't bank on them winning the tournament though. I remain guarded about their prospects. I really dislike Swiss puns. |
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 29, 2024 19:39:38 GMT
Difficult to tear myself away from the riveting discussion on the ins and outs of postal votes, but are there any polls being released tonight? Not sure if it’s as good as reaching the 100th iteration of: “I think Starmer is a compulsive liar.” You can’t really get enough of that. I don't know...it makes a change from the Battle of Hastings, and the Libetrayal Saga |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 19:41:09 GMT
So noticeable how respectful the Germans are to the Danish national anthem than the English are to any other country’s one. Yeah, it’s dreadful…but whether they understand it or not, as a species they are arrogant and have no respect anyway. A bloody embarrassment. Ole mercian would be whistling along very happily. |
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