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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 21:40:02 GMT
ps He is out of the opening semi final match unfortunately.
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Post by crossbat11 on Apr 18, 2024 21:41:44 GMT
I didn’t know your goalie scored Batty. Shame he’s not credited really. Post now suitably edited!
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Apr 18, 2024 21:41:46 GMT
Couldn’t be arsed to move it as: a) it’s not really necessary, it’s obvious what it refers to b) it’s not necessarily wrong anyway (as it could also refer to the percentage change) c) I’m not all that geeky d) wondered who would pick up on it e) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SortitionSortition is the solution to internet pedantry? Not in totality, but in this instance, if we had sortition, then there needn’t be much call for percentages etc. of party votes, so the matter wouldn’t arise much. (It might render quite a bit of polling moot though, which might not please everyone, so try not to mention it too often PJ!)
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Post by crossbat11 on Apr 18, 2024 21:42:35 GMT
ps He is out of the opening semi final match unfortunately. 😫😮💨🥴😭
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 21:45:51 GMT
ps He is out of the opening semi final match unfortunately. 😫😮💨🥴😭 Even worse, his Missis will be bollocking him again for showing off and being a very silly little boy.
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Post by crossbat11 on Apr 18, 2024 21:58:43 GMT
Returning to more trivial matters, I'd like to make a general plea for tolerance and compassion from the UKPR community of posters at what must be a very difficult time for oldnat. The recent dramatic developments today in the police investigation into the financial affairs of the Scottish National Party (SNP), involving as they do leading members of that party, require us all, I think, to tread carefully. As we often say, this isn't the time for party political gloating and any dancing on political opponents graves. We should instead allow oldnat to grieve in private and give him space to do so. It's only what he'd do himself in similar circumstances should grave misfortunes befall others who may not necessarily share his political views Accordingly, as I often do, I will lead by example and comment no more on the criminal embezzlement charges now being made against Nicola Sturgeon's husband and former SNP Chief Executive.
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Post by mark61 on Apr 18, 2024 22:07:16 GMT
Crossbat, I know Villa have fluked a result tonight, but remember too much Brew XI will give you a terrible hangover in the morning!
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Post by crossbat11 on Apr 18, 2024 22:20:08 GMT
Crossbat, I know Villa have fluked a result tonight, but remember to much Brew XI will give you a terrible hangover in the morning! Always nice to welcome a Small Heath fan into a discussion on matters of top level football. Championship relegation battles being more their thing. Good luck with your latest one, by the way. If you survive yet again, I'll toast it with an Ansells Mild. Brew XI was never my tipple.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Apr 18, 2024 22:31:54 GMT
Crossbat, I know Villa have fluked a result tonight, but remember too much Brew XI will give you a terrible hangover in the morning! Might make the most of it before they introduce the ban on alcohol for the over-65s. And mandatory mask-wearing, and curfews, since catching - and then passing on - infections can, like smoking and drinking, cause harm to oneself and others. (Even walking football is under review as it seems to be riskier than you might think)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 22:33:19 GMT
Returning to more trivial matters, I'd like to make a general plea for tolerance and compassion from the UKPR community of posters at what must be a very difficult time for oldnat . The recent dramatic developments today in the police investigation into the financial affairs of the Scottish National Party (SNP), involving as they do leading members of that party, require us all, I think, to tread carefully. As we often say, this isn't the time for party political gloating and any dancing on political opponents graves. We should instead allow oldnat to grieve in private and give him space to do so. It's only what he'd do himself in similar circumstances should grave misfortunes befall others who may not necessarily share his political views Accordingly, as I often do, I will lead by example and comment no more on the criminal embezzlement charges now being made against Nicola Sturgeon's husband and former SNP Chief Executive. Ah hope wee Nicola didnae ken oot. 😭
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Post by pete on Apr 18, 2024 22:37:05 GMT
So if people are ok with outlawing smoking because of the harm that results to smokers and others, what about alcohol? Alcohol is fine in moderation, can we say the same for cigarettes?
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Apr 18, 2024 22:41:16 GMT
So if people are ok with outlawing smoking because of the harm that results to smokers and others, what about alcohol? Alcohol is fine in moderation, can we say the same for cigarettes? Well one quite often reads these days that even low levels of alcohol can increase one’s susceptibility to cancer, and of course for a significant proportion of people it can be very addictive, with all the problems that may cause. Even relatively low levels can result in injury and falls, esp. bad for the elderly, then you get the associated problems of violence etc.
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Post by steve on Apr 18, 2024 23:05:46 GMT
All 12 jurors + 1 of the alternates selected in the traitors fraudulent document case in New york. Trial to commence Monday.
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Post by mercian on Apr 18, 2024 23:06:15 GMT
So if people are ok with outlawing smoking because of the harm that results to smokers and others, what about alcohol? Alcohol is fine in moderation, can we say the same for cigarettes? Yes. I've been smoking for over 60 years so it isn't all that deadly. The way some people go on you'd think it was akin to sprinkling arsenic on your cornflakes every morning.
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Post by Danny on Apr 18, 2024 23:07:11 GMT
There are now 18 mps sitting as "independents" because they've been suspended by their parties, in the case of Tories mostly for sexual impropriety, other reasons include allegations of antisemitism , domestic assault and criminal convictions. That's more MP's than the Liberal Democrats and the Green party combined. No one voted for these MP's on the basis they would be unaffiliated to a political party, if suspended for more than 6 months it should automatically trigger a by election. Thereby completing the victory of the party over the constituency MP? All they have to do is throw them out of the party and then in six months they disappear from parliament? Every MP must toe the party line exactly or leave parliamnet?
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Apr 18, 2024 23:08:30 GMT
Rishi Sunak to strip GPs of right to sign people off sick PM vows to tackle ‘unsustainable’ rises in benefit spending with two thirds of incapacity claims for mental health problems
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“Rishi Sunak is vowing to end Britain’s “sick-note culture” and says that over-medicalising common anxieties is driving a rise in the number of people off work with mental health problems.
GPs face being stripped of the right to issue sick notes, as the prime minister says doctors are too readily writing people off as unfit for work. Specialist teams linked to the benefits system will instead assess the sick and decide how best to keep them in work.
In a speech to be given in London, Sunak promises a “new welfare settlement” to tackle “unsustainable” rises in benefit spending and the record 2.8 million people off work with long-term sickness.”
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“Pilot schemes are being started with ways to offer job coaches, physiotherapy and mental health treatment to people in danger of falling out of the workforce.
Mel Stride, the work and pensions secretary, has voiced frustration that the NHS is not doing enough to keep people in work and his department is taking the first steps towards creating a national occupational health service.
Sunak says that the pilot projects will also look at bypassing family doctors to reduce the numbers being signed off sick. The number of “fit notes” has doubled in less than a decade to 11 million a year and at present 94 per cent of them class people as unfit for any work.”
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“Professor Kamila Hawthorne, chairwoman of the Royal College of GPs, agreed that working could be beneficial to health but said fit-note decisions should be focused on a patient’s health, “not meeting government targets for keeping people in work”.”
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Post by Danny on Apr 18, 2024 23:22:46 GMT
“While many Tory MPs complain that Sunak has made a mistake with his tobacco ban, which passed its second reading on Tuesday night, the prime minister is already mulling another ban: social media for children. Such thinking began at the end of last year and builds on some of the measures in the Online Safety Bill.” Times Social media is turning kids into socialists. Cant have that, can we? Will it appeal to pensioners who want to ban immigrants, gays and go back to having an empire?
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Post by oldnat on Apr 18, 2024 23:26:24 GMT
Returning to more trivial matters, I'd like to make a general plea for tolerance and compassion from the UKPR community of posters at what must be a very difficult time for oldnat . The recent dramatic developments today in the police investigation into the financial affairs of the Scottish National Party (SNP), involving as they do leading members of that party, require us all, I think, to tread carefully. As we often say, this isn't the time for party political gloating and any dancing on political opponents graves. We should instead allow oldnat to grieve in private and give him space to do so. It's only what he'd do himself in similar circumstances should grave misfortunes befall others who may not necessarily share his political views Accordingly, as I often do, I will lead by example and comment no more on the criminal embezzlement charges now being made against Nicola Sturgeon's husband and former SNP Chief Executive. Very wise. Scottish courts take a much more severe view of breaches of contempt of court than the courts in E&W are wont to do.
As for me, there is no grieving. I'll wait to see some detail of the embezzlement charge, and whether the Crown Prosecutors decide there is sufficient evidence to proceed to trial. As a general principle, however, I'm quite keen that anyone who has stolen my money for their personal gain should be properly prosecuted. I doubt that such will happen this side of a UK GE, which will give plenty of time for supporters of the UK state to imply that "the SNP" (and indy supporters more generally) are somehow responsible. As far as we currently know, it is the SNP and its members who are the victims in this affair.
I would imagine that those who contributed monies to Menzie's campaign might feel somewhat aggrieved and hope that the relevant English police force would also investigate the allegations that he embezzled party funds, and charge him with that offence, if the evidence supports the allegations. I presume that embezzlement in English Law is broadly similar to Scots Law in that regard.
In wider terms concerning your post, I would simply note that you share the common error, that appears to be prevalent in your part of the world, that partisan support for Scots indy means partisan support for the SNP. As I have posted before, if this next UK GE produces (as it will almost certainly do) a large increase in Labour MPs from Scotland at the expense of SNP MPs, it will make sod all difference. Starmer will ignore both.
If the Scots electorate decide to continue kicking the SNP in 2026, despite what they see from Westminster 2024-6, and allow a Labour led Unionist coalition to govern Scotland (in as far as they are allowed to) that wouldn't be disastrous for indy either. 2031, however, will probably be the most critical time.
Scotland as an independent member of the EU is the goal, and parties which aim for that are much to be preferred to the likes of the English based British nationalist ones - rather crap though all political parties are.
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Post by mercian on Apr 18, 2024 23:32:26 GMT
Farnham Residents win Farnham Castle Residents - 32.5% Lib Dem - 29.6% Labour - 23.0% Conservative - 14.9%
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Post by Danny on Apr 18, 2024 23:34:35 GMT
“Pilot schemes are being started with ways to offer job coaches, physiotherapy and mental health treatment to people in danger of falling out of the workforce. Mel Stride, the work and pensions secretary, has voiced frustration that the NHS is not doing enough to keep people in work and his department is taking the first steps towards creating a national occupational health service." The NHS does not have enough funding to provide the necessary physiotherapy and mental health treatments. How is it going to help to create a parallel service doing this instead of giving more money to the NHS? Or is it that if the money went to the NHS without being ring fenced, then it would find higher priorities to be spending it on than these people?
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Post by oldnat on Apr 18, 2024 23:36:32 GMT
I'm not surprised.
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Post by Danny on Apr 18, 2024 23:44:47 GMT
As I previously stated, consumption of nicotine has plummeted from it's 1970s peak due to the pressures of civic bans and harsher terms of licensing. I remember when I went to university about 1980 that there was a comment in introductory lectures about a no smoking policy. But it didnt bother anyone because they didnt smoke anyway. I pointed out that this ban on youngsters buying tobacco actually is pretty much in line with all of them already giving up smoking voluntarily. Vapes are much more convenient. So in reality it is causing a lot of fuss, but it isnt actually going to inconvenience anyone. The question is, is the 'pressure of civic bans...' driving people to give up, or actually following that they mostly already have?
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Post by Danny on Apr 18, 2024 23:56:28 GMT
Around 70% of U.S. adults complied initially with prohibition , given that over 50% of American adults consumed alcohol in 1920 this clearly meant that many complied and didn't use illicit sources. If 70% complied, then 30% did not. If 50% had used alcohol at the outset, that means of them 2/5 complied and 3/5 did not. So 60% of those affected by the ban refused to comply with it?
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Post by isa on Apr 19, 2024 0:15:17 GMT
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Post by mercian on Apr 19, 2024 0:19:05 GMT
As I previously stated, consumption of nicotine has plummeted from it's 1970s peak due to the pressures of civic bans and harsher terms of licensing. I remember when I went to university about 1980 that there was a comment in introductory lectures about a no smoking policy. But it didnt bother anyone because they didnt smoke anyway. I pointed out that this ban on youngsters buying tobacco actually is pretty much in line with all of them already giving up smoking voluntarily. Vapes are much more convenient. So in reality it is causing a lot of fuss, but it isnt actually going to inconvenience anyone. The question is, is the 'pressure of civic bans...' driving people to give up, or actually following that they mostly already have? I used to smoke a pipe in class but I wasn't a hardened smoker. My favourite baccy was Clan which was considered a bit sissy by real men. I can't remember what the real man baccy was but it was probably something like Old Navy Rough Shag .
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Post by Danny on Apr 19, 2024 0:19:27 GMT
If true, then those outwith the Thames Water area need additional UKGov finance to avoid being treated inequitably, or those within that area need to pay the higher taxes to pay the interest on the debt, and contribute to its repayment. The other water companies have not been so thoroughly asset stripped by their private owners, but they are also in poor shape. So this is the Thatcher conservative privatisations legacy. Coming to an NHS hospital near you. Coming to a school near you. Coming to a council near you. And frankly, coming to a university near you too if their model of relying upon a dwindling supply of foreign students for funding breaks down.
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Post by mercian on Apr 19, 2024 0:21:25 GMT
Ely West held by LibDems. No surprise. The percentages might be interesting tomorrow later today.
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Post by Danny on Apr 19, 2024 0:45:37 GMT
That's my point - we were doing just fine in the war on tobacco without this worthily intentioned but ill thought through legislation. First time I read that i thought you meant ww2, when of course we were doing fine feeding the troops all the cigarettes they wanted to help them fight better. Plus amphetamines, was it? Several drug waves of use and then wars on drugs were started by liberal handouts of drugs in wartime.
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Post by Danny on Apr 19, 2024 0:56:59 GMT
I do think that there seems to be a much higher percentage of MPs who are criminals or sex pests than amongst the general population, and it's not just the Tories. I happened to listen to another selection of songs from old musicals today. There was one which maybe others can identify, where the female singer was saying how she loves it when guys wolf whistle after her, though she pretends not to. All part of her feminine wiles. You rather need some evidence that actually there are more sex pests amongst MPs than ordinary people. What is certainly true is MPs are much more likely to be the subject of publicity. I come back to the question whether the true proportion of not straight people in the population is 10% as per recent surveys of young adults, and if so why the oldest age groups lie and say 1%. I imagine the answer is because the oldest group is just doing what it did when young, when the individual members of that group saw no visible others willing to admit to their situation and listend to society saying it was a sin and there werent any anyway.
I happened to catch a bigraphy of Mountbatten the other day too. Which discussed how his wife and he had quite adventurous sex lives with an open marriage. No doubt many others quietly did too who did not get TV programs made about them. But I'm sure they would not have been telling their mates what they were up to.
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Post by Danny on Apr 19, 2024 1:07:54 GMT
Alcohol is fine in moderation, can we say the same for cigarettes? I have heard doctors arguing alcohol is not at all fine in moderation. First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
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