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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Apr 18, 2024 17:08:47 GMT
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Post by steve on Apr 18, 2024 17:23:39 GMT
"How well has that worked with class A/B/C drugs? - they are cheap and readily available everywhere and purchased in large quantities
How well did it work with prohibiting alcohol in the US?"
Regarding controlled drugs personally I would be in favour of treating their use as a health care issue not criminal in respect of some recreational drugs specifically cannabis regulating the strength of the product and imposing age based criteria would be far more appropriate than the criminal code.
While cannabis smoke has been implicated in respiratory dysfunction, including the conversion of respiratory cells to what appears to be a pre-cancerous state, it has not been causally linked with tobacco related cancers such as lung, colon or rectal cancers.
In other words moderate use of strength regulated cannabis isn't as dangerous and decriminalization doesn't seem unreasonable.
Around 70% of U.S. adults complied initially with prohibition , given that over 50% of American adults consumed alcohol in 1920 this clearly meant that many complied and didn't use illicit sources.
I don't want to criminalise tobacco smoking but given that around 50% of those who smoke and don't give up will eventually die as a result of their drug of choice as will others via passive smoking and smoking related accidents, a far higher percentage than cannabis only users , attempts to speed up the reduction of use are at least worth a try.It probably won't work but I don't honestly see a huge downside in trying.
Regarding criminal control of distribution if this is based on age related restrictions this largely avoids the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 17:33:53 GMT
From Forecast UK (Bit of a mess how it lines up)
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Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1%) 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ireland 18 nc
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Post by oldnat on Apr 18, 2024 18:24:19 GMT
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Apr 18, 2024 18:27:06 GMT
From Forecast UK (Bit of a mess how it lines up) UK Forecast Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1%) 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ireland 18 nc Utilising the inner geek, alongside Courier (fixed width) font and tab: Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1% 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ire 18 nc
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Apr 18, 2024 18:34:03 GMT
Great news and a bit of a no brainer really. Do the EU not want the Boomers and pre-boomers??? 😲😲😲😲
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Post by oldnat on Apr 18, 2024 18:43:00 GMT
This changes things a bit!
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Post by johntel on Apr 18, 2024 18:54:10 GMT
From Forecast UK (Bit of a mess how it lines up) UK Forecast Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1%) 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ireland 18 nc Utilising the inner geek, alongside Courier (fixed width) font and tab: Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1% 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ire 18 nc Very nice, just a pity you got nc in the wrong column..
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Post by graham on Apr 18, 2024 18:57:44 GMT
From Forecast UK (Bit of a mess how it lines up) UK Forecast Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1%) 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ireland 18 nc That is clearly UK - rather than GB - data.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 19:03:55 GMT
This changes things a bit! Didn’t Dave admit to being 59 years old earlier today? Probably his way of confessing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 19:04:53 GMT
From Forecast UK (Bit of a mess how it lines up) UK Forecast Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1%) 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ireland 18 nc Utilising the inner geek, alongside Courier (fixed width) font and tab: Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1% 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ire 18 nc Ignore John C.
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Post by jib on Apr 18, 2024 19:05:12 GMT
Breaking
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Apr 18, 2024 19:14:33 GMT
Utilising the inner geek, alongside Courier (fixed width) font and tab: Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1% 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ire 18 nc Very nice, just a pity you got nc in the wrong column.. Couldn’t be arsed to move it as: a) it’s not really necessary, it’s obvious what it refers to b) it’s not necessarily wrong anyway (as it could also refer to the percentage change) c) I’m not all that geeky d) wondered who would pick up on it e) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Apr 18, 2024 19:15:48 GMT
Utilising the inner geek, alongside Courier (fixed width) font and tab: Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1% 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ire 18 nc Ignore John C. ah, too late Paul…
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Post by oldnat on Apr 18, 2024 19:29:58 GMT
Since Murrell has been charged with embezzlement of SNP funds, it might be useful to see what that charge entails in Scots Law.crime.scot/embezzlement/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 19:36:52 GMT
GOOD ON THE VILLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ⚽️
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 19:38:17 GMT
GOOD ON THE VILLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ⚽️ So chuffed for Batty - and Unai who I always liked.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 19:39:10 GMT
At least you did it Carfs. I shall have him excommunicated.
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Post by oldnat on Apr 18, 2024 19:47:29 GMT
If true, then those outwith the Thames Water area need additional UKGov finance to avoid being treated inequitably, or those within that area need to pay the higher taxes to pay the interest on the debt, and contribute to its repayment.
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Post by pjw1961 on Apr 18, 2024 20:06:17 GMT
But civic bans at the workplace, retail, licensing, import and sale arenas do not criminalise the individuals, and don't create the same issues. And they are effective at reduction of use, and that's a positive benefit. As I previously stated, consumption of nicotine has plummeted from it's 1970s peak due to the pressures of civic bans and harsher terms of licensing. That's my point - we were doing just fine in the war on tobacco without this worthily intentioned but ill thought through legislation. One of the best weapons was tax, but of course that goes out of the window one you put the product into a black market.
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Post by pjw1961 on Apr 18, 2024 20:12:29 GMT
Very nice, just a pity you got nc in the wrong column.. Couldn’t be arsed to move it as: a) it’s not really necessary, it’s obvious what it refers to b) it’s not necessarily wrong anyway (as it could also refer to the percentage change) c) I’m not all that geeky d) wondered who would pick up on it e) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SortitionSortition is the solution to internet pedantry?
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Post by mercian on Apr 18, 2024 20:23:56 GMT
There are now 18 mps sitting as "independents" because they've been suspended by their parties, in the case of Tories mostly for sexual impropriety, other reasons include allegations of antisemitism , domestic assault and criminal convictions. That's more MP's than the Liberal Democrats and the Green party combined. No one voted for these MP's on the basis they would be unaffiliated to a political party, if suspended for more than 6 months it should automatically trigger a by election. I do think that there seems to be a much higher percentage of MPs who are criminals or sex pests than amongst the general population, and it's not just the Tories. Does power go to their heads or does the job just attract that sort of person? The sort who don't want to work very hard and have few actual abilities to get a proper job. There are of course many honourable exceptions on all sides but the percentage of bad apples seems very high. At one time many Tories had been proper businessmen (i.e. not hedge fund managers etc) and Labour were often ex-Union officials so both sides had had a lot of experience of the real world. Now it seems that the standard career path is get a PPE degree, become a Spad and then an MP, never having to interact with normal people. I know this is a very sweeping generalisation but I'm just so annoyed that there are so many crocks and crooks on Parliament.
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Post by oldnat on Apr 18, 2024 20:45:36 GMT
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Post by jib on Apr 18, 2024 20:47:45 GMT
Do the EU not want the Boomers and pre-boomers??? 😲😲😲😲 Would you want their entitled attitude for more than 90 days?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 20:57:41 GMT
From Forecast UK (Bit of a mess how it lines up) UK Forecast Party % Vote Forecast Change on 2019 Labour 42.0% (+9.9%) 381 - 391 +180 to +190 Conservatives 26.1% (-17.5%) 179 - 192 -191 to -178 Reform 10.7% (+8.7%) 0 nc Liberal Democrats 9.3% (-2.2%) 25 - 28 +16 to +19 Green 5.8% (+3.1%) 0 - 1 -1 to nc SNP 3.1% (-0.8%) 27 - 30 -21 to -18 Plaid Cymru 0.6% (+0.1%) 2 - 4 nc to +2 Speaker 1 nc Northern Ireland 18 nc That is clearly UK - rather than GB - data. D’you think that’s why they’ve called it “Forecast UK”?
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Apr 18, 2024 20:58:41 GMT
Do the EU not want the Boomers and pre-boomers??? 😲😲😲😲 Would you want their entitled attitude for more than 90 days? Que?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 21:19:30 GMT
Would you want their entitled attitude for more than 90 days? Que? It’s a well-known fact that absolutely ALL boomers , pre-boomers - and every other variety of boomer - has an “entitled” attitude. Just not sure to what though. That’s never mentioned.
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Post by domjg on Apr 18, 2024 21:22:09 GMT
Do the EU not want the Boomers and pre-boomers??? 😲😲😲😲 Would you want their entitled attitude for more than 90 days? It’s not a case of ‘who” the EU ‘wants’, they are showing incredible flexibility towards a non EU state. It was our own government and a large portion of our own people who took away the rights we took for granted and assumed were inalienable. I won’t ever forget that.
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Post by crossbat11 on Apr 18, 2024 21:25:27 GMT
GOOD ON THE VILLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ⚽️ So chuffed for Batty - and Unai who I always liked. That's very kind of you, Paul. Typically so too. In all honesty, we were mightily fortunate to get through. The victory, by dint of a nerve shredding penalty shoot out, owed more to tactical discipline, fortitude, fortune and refereeing generosity than it did to the quality of our play. Lille, fired up and with a passionate 50,000 crowd roaring them on, were the better side by some margin. I still don't quite know how we managed to drag the game into extra time and penalties. Grit, determination and, eventually, Emi Martinez's goalkeeping skills and shithousery saw us home in the end. The only English side still left in European competition this season and the Athens dream in late May still on. Come on the Villa!! P S. New quiz question spawned tonight. When is it possible to be booked twice in a football match and still remain on the pitch? (Clue: the answer doesn't involve the Graham Poll book of refereeing mistakes!)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 21:39:13 GMT
I didn’t know your goalie scored Batty. Shame he’s not credited really.
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