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Post by domjg on Feb 2, 2024 16:47:51 GMT
Do you remember a young roc, can't remember his name, bit of a cheeky chappy who did on occasion make up poll results, none of which were vaguely as crazy as the real ones of today. Can't remember his username for the life of me. Alan something or other possibly.. Had a child then moved to Norway I seem to recall never to be heard from again. Alan Christie? He used to visit his Granny in the Mendips every now and again. That's the fella. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Feb 2, 2024 17:02:28 GMT
My tuppenny worth on the £28bn green policy u-turn. I think it is a mistake for four reasons:
(a) it is bad politics to let the Conservative Party write the Labour Party's manifesto. They can now move on the attacking the next thing. For example if the new rights for workers comes under sustained pressure will Labour drop it? And so and so on. At some point you have to dig in and fight for something.
(b) it was a popular policy with many voters (and parts of industry), as polls and focus groups had shown. By dropping it, Labour may head off attacks from the right, but they risk LoC voters having one fewer reason to vote Labour.
(c) It looks horribly weak and indecisive.
(d) Rachel Reeves in ruling out tax rises is betting everything on getting economic growth going - but the green investment strategy was absolutely key to the plans for getting growth! It was the majority part of Labour's growth strategy. Without such investment it is hard to see where the growth will come from.
On the other hand the problem is at least party the fault of an earlier error, likely caused by the inexperience of the Labour front bench and advisors. This was that a specific financial number should never have been attached to the policy in the first place. £28bn was a huge hostage to fortune that was always likely to unravel at some point.
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Post by barbara on Feb 2, 2024 17:19:00 GMT
I'm no expert on calendars but since when has Survation been "fortnightly"? Be good if it did move to that. When I was younger my nickname was four nightly. You wish! |
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Post by neilj on Feb 2, 2024 17:23:54 GMT
I'm no expert on calendars but since when has Survation been "fortnightly"? Be good if it did move to that. When I was younger my nickname was four nightly. I had a bladder like that before I had my prostate removed 😀 |
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Post by neilj on Feb 2, 2024 17:28:09 GMT
We Think
🔴 Lab 45% (-2)
🔵 Con 23% (NC)
⚪ Ref 11% (-1)
🟠 LD 9% (NC)
🟢 Green 5% (-1)
🟡 SNP 3% (+1)
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s net approval plunged by six points to –30 – his lowest since we began polling.
👍 Approve: 23% (-3)
👎 Disapprove: 53% (+3)
😐 Neither: 23% (-1)
Keir Starmer continues to enjoy a positive net approval … just.
👍 Approve: 32% (-2)
👎 Disapprove: 30% (-1)
😐 Neither: 37% (+1)
‘best Prime Minister’, Sir Keir’s lead rises by two to 17 points.
🔴 Sir Keir Starmer: 41% (NC)
🔵 Rishi Sunak: 24% (-2)
⚪ Don’t Know: 35% (+2)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 17:28:26 GMT
Do you remember a young roc, can't remember his name, bit of a cheeky chappy who did on occasion make up poll results, none of which were vaguely as crazy as the real ones of today. Can't remember his username for the life of me. Alan something or other possibly.. Had a child then moved to Norway I seem to recall never to be heard from again. Alan Christie? He used to visit his Granny in the Mendips every now and again. That sounds like a euphemism. (But I can’t think for what.) |
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Post by neilj on Feb 2, 2024 17:28:40 GMT
We Think Brexit tracker
On Brexit, our polling continues to show a consistent trend on how Brits would vote if another EU referendum was held.
* All *
☑️ Re-join: 52% (+2)
❎ Stay Out: 31% (-2)
🤷 DK or not voting: 18% (NC)
* Exc DKs / won’t vote *
☑️ Re-join: 63% (+2)
❎ Stay Out: 37% (-2)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 17:29:59 GMT
Alan Christie? He used to visit his Granny in the Mendips every now and again. That's the fella. He started posting when at school and then we moved through him finding a job, marrying, having a child and then absconding from the fray. |
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Post by steve on Feb 2, 2024 17:32:23 GMT
The traitors mental decline accelerating. Here he is apparently thinking he won his fraud and defamation case, with reference to an appeal court decision that hasn't happened. youtu.be/5YlX99H0uhA?si=gi192_gSKdZPHrPa |
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 2, 2024 17:33:01 GMT
We Think 🔴 Lab 45% (-2) 🔵 Con 23% (NC) ⚪ Ref 11% (-1) 🟠 LD 9% (NC) 🟢 Green 5% (-1) 🟡 SNP 3% (+1) Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s net approval plunged by six points to –30 – his lowest since we began polling. 👍 Approve: 23% (-3) 👎 Disapprove: 53% (+3) 😐 Neither: 23% (-1) Keir Starmer continues to enjoy a positive net approval … just. 👍 Approve: 32% (-2) 👎 Disapprove: 30% (-1) 😐 Neither: 37% (+1) ‘best Prime Minister’, Sir Keir’s lead rises by two to 17 points. 🔴 Sir Keir Starmer: 41% (NC) 🔵 Rishi Sunak: 24% (-2) ⚪ Don’t Know: 35% (+2) Jeepers, creepers, the Tories are narrowing the gap. If we're thinking November for the election then if this rate of narrowing continues, it's neck and neck come polling day. All to play for in other words. Which was Laura's very point on Sunday. As robbiealive well knows. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 2, 2024 17:34:44 GMT
When I was younger my nickname was four nightly. You wish! Yes, my beer consumption isn't quite what it used to be. 😤🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 17:55:51 GMT
My tuppenny worth on the £28bn green policy u-turn. I think it is a mistake for four reasons: (a) it is bad politics to let the Conservative Party write the Labour Party's manifesto. They can now move on the attacking the next thing. For example if the new rights for workers comes under sustained pressure will Labour drop it? And so and so on. At some point you have to dig in and fight for something. (b) it was a popular policy with many voters (and parts of industry), as polls and focus groups had shown. By dropping it, Labour may head off attacks from the right, but they risk LoC voters having one fewer reason to vote Labour. (c) It looks horribly weak and indecisive. (d) Rachel Reeves in ruling out tax rises is betting everything on getting economic growth going - but the green investment strategy was absolutely key to the plans for getting growth! It was the majority part of Labour's growth strategy. Without such investment it is hard to see where the growth will come from. On the other hand the problem is at least party the fault of an earlier error, likely caused by the inexperience of the Labour front bench and advisors. This was that a specific financial number should never have been attached to the policy in the first place. £28bn was a huge hostage to fortune that was always likely to unravel at some point. Its the traditional thing isnt it ?. For any party. There's How to Win The Election. Then-if successful-How to Run the Country. And the two are entirely unrelated. At least with PR there's no pretence and voters know that it all depends on who forms the coalition after they voted. |
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Post by athena on Feb 2, 2024 18:14:21 GMT
Its the traditional thing isnt it ?. For any party. There's How to Win The Election. Then-if successful-How to Run the Country. And the two are entirely unrelated. ... and politicians wonder why their trust ratings are so low! |
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Post by pjw1961 on Feb 2, 2024 18:15:31 GMT
Its the traditional thing isnt it ?. For any party. There's How to Win The Election. Then-if successful-How to Run the Country. And the two are entirely unrelated. At least with PR there's no pretence and voters know that it all depends on who forms the coalition after they voted. Which is why the safest route for an opposition is to let the governing party lose the election, which the Conservatives seem hell bent on doing. |
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Post by barbara on Feb 2, 2024 18:18:21 GMT
Alan Christie? He used to visit his Granny in the Mendips every now and again. That sounds like a euphemism. (But I can’t think for what.) As I recall ( and I was lurking then) it was Al lan Christie. Worked in London, young child, right wing - nice lad (patronisingly said). EDIT - @ Crofty remembers him well too. |
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Post by jib on Feb 2, 2024 18:20:03 GMT
Survation NEW: Westminster Voting Intention from Survation’s fortnightly tracker. LAB 44 (-1) CON 27 (-1) LD 11 (+1) GRN 3 (+1) RFM 7 (-1) SNP 4 (+2) OTH 5 (+1) Leadership approval Sunak is -28 Starmer is +5. F/w 30th - 31st January. Changes vs. 18th December 2023. Was this done for the Jibbster? He will be a chuffed boyo I live in a part of Wales where we don't really call ourselves "boyo". There is a myth that there are no swear words in my native tongue, but I'll leave it at "dwi'n Gog hen gont". Hopeful still that Wales chooses wisely this year, but I am just one voter. I do sympathise for those caught in the "Devil or the Deep Blue Scenario" where it's Tory or Lib Dem. No such issue in Bangor Aberconwy, nor most seats! |
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Post by Mark on Feb 2, 2024 18:24:47 GMT
"Bisto nostalgia". I dont even know what it means it's so cool. We obviously move in quite different social circles. Thanks....it was just me trying to be funny / clever really. Bisto was / is a gravy granules product...back in the day, it's adverts, often in cartoon form, portrayed a very cosy, very English, idyllic setting, of a time past, maybe that never truly was, where a roast dinner was practically a national dish on a Sunday. |
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Post by steve on Feb 2, 2024 18:39:08 GMT
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Post by steve on Feb 2, 2024 18:43:30 GMT
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Post by steve on Feb 2, 2024 18:45:14 GMT
"I live in a part of Wales where we don't really call ourselves "boyo
Oh didn't we have a lovely time the day we went to Bangor?
NO.
Bangor. A university city where the bookshop shut a decade ago. A city where the magistrate’s court was pulled down to make room for a police station which is open 9-5 Monday to Friday. Because at least in Bangor, crime does indeed sleep.
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Post by pjw1961 on Feb 2, 2024 18:48:09 GMT
The Lib Dems have the same Brexit policy as Labour, and considerably less policy on everything else. |
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Post by jib on Feb 2, 2024 18:51:36 GMT
"I live in a part of Wales where we don't really call ourselves "boyo Oh didn't we have a lovely time the day we went to Bangor? NO. I 'm sorry for that. I'm not sure what spoilt your day out. I suppose it does rain a lot, especially if clouds accompany you everywhere. Reasonably hopeful Wales is Lib and Tory free after GE 2024. Crossed fingers. |
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Post by steve on Feb 2, 2024 18:55:22 GMT
pjw1961Let's not go there ,it's your party that scrapped its own green credentials, abandoned it's commitment to single market membership, didn't vote against scrapping the Rwanda Bill in the lords and panders to the absurd notion of making Brexit work. Being better than head bangers in the Tory party is a pretty low bar. Maybe you'll be better in government ,abandoning your best policy not only seems bad politics but it seems of a lack of confidence.
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Post by pjw1961 on Feb 2, 2024 19:00:13 GMT
I have updated my "average opposition poll leads" numbers on the polling archive thread. The average Labour lead for January rose to 20.1% from 17.4% in December. This is the highest monthly figure since February 2023 (and that was not strictly comparable, since I am now including all polls, which lowers Labour's lead a little). It would need a recovery of unprecedented proportions for the Conservatives to win and there is no sign of where that might come from.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 19:00:35 GMT
"Bisto nostalgia". I dont even know what it means it's so cool. We obviously move in quite different social circles. Thanks....it was just me trying to be funny / clever really. Bisto was / is a gravy granules product...back in the day, it's adverts, often in cartoon form, portrayed a very cosy, very English, idyllic setting, of a time past, maybe that never truly was, where a roast dinner was practically a national dish on a Sunday. It was-and still is !! You obviously dont get out much-the pub Sunday Roast is ubiquitous . |
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Post by jib on Feb 2, 2024 19:00:56 GMT
pjw1961 Let's not go there ,it's your party that scrapped its own green credentials, abandoned it's commitment to single market membership, didn't vote against scrapping the Rwanda Bill in the lords and panders to the absurd notion of making Brexit work. Being better than head bangers in the Tory party is a pretty low bar. Maybe you'll be better in government ,abandoning your best policy not only seems bad politics but it seems of a lack of confidence. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Feb 2, 2024 19:09:31 GMT
pjw1961 Let's not go there ,it's your party that scrapped its own green credentials, abandoned it's commitment to single market membership, didn't vote against scrapping the Rwanda Bill in the lords and panders to the absurd notion of making Brexit work. Being better than head bangers in the Tory party is a pretty low bar. Maybe you'll be better in government ,abandoning your best policy not only seems bad politics but it seems of a lack of confidence. If you google "Liberal Democrat policies" all you get is stuff from 2019. Nothing since. But we do know that Ed Davey has ruled out rejoining the EU anytime soon. It is "off the table". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66878234 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 19:24:02 GMT
pjw1961 Maybe you'll be better in government ,abandoning your best policy not only seems bad politics but it seems of a lack of confidence. Probably a lack of confidence in an essential element of the electorate - the floating voter. |
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Post by mercian on Feb 2, 2024 19:28:52 GMT
When I was younger my nickname was four nightly. I had a bladder like that before I had my prostate removed 😀 Quip of the day! |
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Post by mercian on Feb 2, 2024 19:30:50 GMT
Yes, my beer consumption isn't quite what it used to be. 😤🤣 Not when you're paying anyway. |
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