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Post by robbiealive on Jan 28, 2024 22:39:25 GMT
Obviously my new avatar will only be used on Sunday. I believe @markadmin should be alerted. There must be board rules against such baiting. Almost Trevoresque! You may be too young to remember the old weepie: Tell Laura I Love Her.
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On Hate Day the 4th word has to be changed. The theme was rather ripped off by the Shangri-Las's Leader of the Pack.
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Post by thylacine on Jan 28, 2024 22:41:33 GMT
Re the BBC discussion it is amusing that "Westminster Hour" currently on Radio 4 as I write has the following political 'balance' on its panel - 1 Conservative MP, 1 Conservative journalist (Katy Balls of the Spectator), 1 crossbench peer who is an ex-Conservative and 1 Labour MP. Somehow this feels typical. I think the reason that people from different political viewpoints can claim to detect bias is that the BBC is a large organsation with a lot of different output. The problem for those of us who are LoC is largely the BBC News Department, which suffered an orchestrated right-wing take over in the early Cameron years and remains heavily tilted rightwards. However, quite a lot of the BBC's drama output does have a liberal flavour - Russell T Davies' new Doctor Who for example. I'm not so sure, I've just watched the episode where Barack Obama turns into the master ( along with the whole world that is )!
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Post by pjw1961 on Jan 28, 2024 22:46:33 GMT
Re the BBC discussion it is amusing that "Westminster Hour" currently on Radio 4 as I write has the following political 'balance' on its panel - 1 Conservative MP, 1 Conservative journalist (Katy Balls of the Spectator), 1 crossbench peer who is an ex-Conservative and 1 Labour MP. Somehow this feels typical. I think the reason that people from different political viewpoints can claim to detect bias is that the BBC is a large organsation with a lot of different output. The problem for those of us who are LoC is largely the BBC News Department, which suffered an orchestrated right-wing take over in the early Cameron years and remains heavily tilted rightwards. However, quite a lot of the BBC's drama output does have a liberal flavour - Russell T Davies' new Doctor Who for example. I'm not so sure, I've just watched the episode where Barack Obama turns into the master ( along with the whole world that is )! Largely done to get that "The Master Race" joke in.
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Post by domjg on Jan 28, 2024 22:46:43 GMT
Yikes. One thing that always strikes me about Kuennsberg is how mind-bogglingly seriously she takes herself. & steamdrivenandy You may recall Hate Week in 1984. "Hate Week is designed to increase as much as possible the population's hatred of the current enemy of the totalitarian Party, whichever of the two opposing super-states that may be."This is Hate Sunday. Each week will feature an enemy of the people for site mass villification. Funnily I have reread just about all of Saint George in recent years, save 1984. One can see how clever the ideas were, but it's just too depressing. Visited his grave yesterday as I occasionally do living just down the road. People always used to leave coins on the headstone but this seems to have ceased recently for some reason. There are always fresh flowers on it. The same churchyard also contains the far grander final resting place of Asquith.
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Post by peterbell on Jan 28, 2024 22:47:58 GMT
Obviously east. The buses must have sunk.... Well I'm south and of course there's always north! 9 miles north would bring him across the Tyne. Mackems aren't allowed this side of the river, they may learn something about football.
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Post by mercian on Jan 28, 2024 22:48:17 GMT
Yikes. One thing that always strikes me about Kuennsberg is how mind-bogglingly seriously she takes herself. & steamdrivenandy You may recall Hate Week in 1984. "Hate Week is designed to increase as much as possible the population's hatred of the current enemy of the totalitarian Party, whichever of the two opposing super-states that may be."This is Hate Sunday. Each week will feature an enemy of the people for site mass villification. Funnily I have reread just about all of Saint George in recent years, save 1984. One can see how clever the ideas were, but it's just too depressing. His essays were excellent. 'The Moon Under Water' about the ideal pub inspired Wetherspoon's. No music, good beer, reasonable prices etc. The Lion and the Unicorn is another I remember.
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Post by thylacine on Jan 28, 2024 22:54:33 GMT
I believe @markadmin should be alerted. There must be board rules against such baiting. Almost Trevoresque! You may be too young to remember the old weepie: Tell Laura I Love Her.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=suy-bbKzTjk
On Hate Day the 4th word has to be changed. The theme was rather ripped off by the Shangri-Las's Leader of the Pack. I do remember it well. We played it regularly on the old radiogram ( I was very young and our singles collection old ! ) The Shangri- Las too. Other classics in the collection were The Green Green grass of Home and The Streets of Laredo. It would seem my parents had a rather morbid taste in their music!
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Post by mercian on Jan 28, 2024 22:58:23 GMT
I believe @markadmin should be alerted. There must be board rules against such baiting. Almost Trevoresque! You may be too young to remember the old weepie: Tell Laura I Love Her.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=suy-bbKzTjk
On Hate Day the 4th word has to be changed. The theme was rather ripped off by the Shangri-Las's Leader of the Pack Which was spoofed by Leader of the Laundromat (by The Detergents Wikipedia tells me). There was a bit of a vogue for spoof songs back in the day. Do you remember Big Bad John and Small Sad Sam?
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 28, 2024 23:04:49 GMT
Re the BBC discussion it is amusing that "Westminster Hour" currently on Radio 4 as I write has the following political 'balance' on its panel - 1 Conservative MP, 1 Conservative journalist (Katy Balls of the Spectator), 1 crossbench peer who is an ex-Conservative and 1 Labour MP. Somehow this feels typical. I think the reason that people from different political viewpoints can claim to detect bias is that the BBC is a large organsation with a lot of different output. The problem for those of us who are LoC is largely the BBC News Department, which suffered an orchestrated right-wing take over in the early Cameron years and remains heavily tilted rightwards. However, quite a lot of the BBC's drama output does have a liberal flavour - Russell T Davies' new Doctor Who for example. I think the logic of the highlighted bit is that the BBC is biased in some way in every or most departments? Besides I was alluding to the reaction on this site to BBC political coverage which is uniform: that was my point. It isn't just a LOC reaction. I have not had TV reception for decades. I take everything from BBC radio which is a far more supple & efficient medium for certain sorts of communication.
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Post by johntel on Jan 28, 2024 23:07:28 GMT
Could someone tell me how to vote 'enthusiastically' please? I'm guessing it requires rushing into the polling station, but is there anything in particular I should write on the ballot paper?
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 28, 2024 23:08:00 GMT
& steamdrivenandy You may recall Hate Week in 1984. "Hate Week is designed to increase as much as possible the population's hatred of the current enemy of the totalitarian Party, whichever of the two opposing super-states that may be."This is Hate Sunday. Each week will feature an enemy of the people for site mass villification. Funnily I have reread just about all of Saint George in recent years, save 1984. One can see how clever the ideas were, but it's just too depressing. Visited his grave yesterday as I occasionally do living just down the road. People always used to leave coins on the headstone but this seems to have ceased recently for some reason. There are always fresh flowers on it. The same churchyard also contains the far grander final resting place of Asquith. I know I'm really annoyed. I spent so much time in Abingdon but didn;t realise I could hv visited two graves for the price of one. Odd that Asquith is there, but I guess there must be a local connection.
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Post by thylacine on Jan 28, 2024 23:17:07 GMT
Re the BBC discussion it is amusing that "Westminster Hour" currently on Radio 4 as I write has the following political 'balance' on its panel - 1 Conservative MP, 1 Conservative journalist (Katy Balls of the Spectator), 1 crossbench peer who is an ex-Conservative and 1 Labour MP. Somehow this feels typical. I think the reason that people from different political viewpoints can claim to detect bias is that the BBC is a large organsation with a lot of different output. The problem for those of us who are LoC is largely the BBC News Department, which suffered an orchestrated right-wing take over in the early Cameron years and remains heavily tilted rightwards. However, quite a lot of the BBC's drama output does have a liberal flavour - Russell T Davies' new Doctor Who for example. I think the logic of the highlighted bit is that the BBC is biased in some way in every or most departments? Besides I was alluding to the reaction on this site to BBC political coverage which is uniform: that was my point. It isn't just a LOC reaction. I have not had TV reception for decades. I take everything from BBC radio which is a far more supple & efficient medium for certain sorts of communication. I've always thought of the BBC as very establishment status quo in its output. Therefore not beloved by progressives or the radical right. Some shows appear to reflect a progressive social trend but they follow rather than lead.For instance Corrie had a trans character long before EastEnders and Brookside a gay character long before EastEnders.
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Post by graham on Jan 28, 2024 23:18:13 GMT
Visited his grave yesterday as I occasionally do living just down the road. People always used to leave coins on the headstone but this seems to have ceased recently for some reason. There are always fresh flowers on it. The same churchyard also contains the far grander final resting place of Asquith. I know I'm really annoyed. I spent so much time in Abingdon but didn;t realise I could hv visited two graves for the price of one. Odd that Asquith is there, but I guess there must be a local connection. Adquith lived for many years in Sutton Courtney.
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 28, 2024 23:38:51 GMT
I think the logic of the highlighted bit is that the BBC is biased in some way in every or most departments? Besides I was alluding to the reaction on this site to BBC political coverage which is uniform: that was my point. It isn't just a LOC reaction. I have not had TV reception for decades. I take everything from BBC radio which is a far more supple & efficient medium for certain sorts of communication. I've always thought of the BBC as very establishment status quo in its output. Therefore not beloved by progressives or the radical right. Some shows appear to reflect a progressive social trend but they follow rather than lead.For instance Corrie had a trans character long before EastEnders and Brookside a gay character long before EastEnders. You may be right that the BBC limps along behind, but they get there. But they have been under pressure from the ruthless Tories. You only hv to see Lucy Fraser's hapless interview (I keep getting her mixed up with Keegan) with K. Burley to see she's had her orders to crack down on the BBC, even tho she can't mount an argument to save her life. That's why, & even I'm bored of sayiing this, Labour should be ruthless if the gain power. Lower voting age -- the SNP won't object!-- scrap Voter ID, think about poilitical donations. & include some waffle in the Manifesto to justify it.
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Post by Rafwan on Jan 29, 2024 0:05:14 GMT
Just to be clear, CBeebies is brilliant. Perfect political balance.
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Post by mercian on Jan 29, 2024 1:38:24 GMT
I think the logic of the highlighted bit is that the BBC is biased in some way in every or most departments? Besides I was alluding to the reaction on this site to BBC political coverage which is uniform: that was my point. It isn't just a LOC reaction. I have not had TV reception for decades. I take everything from BBC radio which is a far more supple & efficient medium for certain sorts of communication. I've always thought of the BBC as very establishment status quo in its output. Therefore not beloved by progressives or the radical right. Some shows appear to reflect a progressive social trend but they follow rather than lead.For instance Corrie had a trans character long before EastEnders and Brookside a gay character long before EastEnders. What annoys me is that they fit a black or asian character into every period drama, when there were actually very few in the UK until post WWII, and those that were here were mainly in port cities such as London, Cardiff, Bristol etc. This is an attempt to indoctrinate the young into believing that the UK has always been a 'multicultural' society. --- On another note, I came across this tonight which might please my many LoC fans. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mUg71D0unsMuch more hard-hitting than our own news programmes. I'm actually not sure if it's a traditional TV channel or internet-only, but it seemed quite professional so I'm guessing the former.
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Post by mercian on Jan 29, 2024 1:40:04 GMT
I've always thought of the BBC as very establishment status quo in its output. Therefore not beloved by progressives or the radical right. Some shows appear to reflect a progressive social trend but they follow rather than lead.For instance Corrie had a trans character long before EastEnders and Brookside a gay character long before EastEnders. You may be right that the BBC limps along behind, but they get there. But they have been under pressure from the ruthless Tories. You only hv to see Lucy Fraser's hapless interview (I keep getting her mixed up with Keegan) with K. Burley to see she's had her orders to crack down on the BBC, even tho she can't mount an argument to save her life. That's why, & even I'm bored of sayiing this, Labour should be ruthless if the gain power. Lower voting age -- the SNP won't object!-- scrap Voter ID, think about poilitical donations. & include some waffle in the Manifesto to justify it. SO gerrymandering by Labour is ok, but not if it's the Tories you perceive as doing it?
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Post by moby on Jan 29, 2024 2:21:27 GMT
neilj - re parallels with '97: my recollection (could be wrong) was that there was indeed no great sense of a groundswell for Labour, which was trumped by revulsion of the Tories, until quite late in the day. I think Labour's campaign developed a sense of urgency and impending change, and that's how we recall the mood in hindsight. I agree that 1997 was primarily an anti-Conservative vote, but I would offer two counterpoints. Firstly Blair himself was very popular with sky high personal ratings. Secondly, while there was clear anti-Conservative tactical voting, in those seats where the Labour and Lib Dem 1992 position was that both were in contention, in 1997 it was clearly Labour that profited more, suggesting that there was some pro-Labour feeling as well as anti-Conservative. Hence why Labour were able to win a number of seats from third place. Starmer lacks Blair's personal appeal, but there is some polling evidence (reflected in the MRPs) that where the Lib Dems are not the clear tactical choice it is Labour that is being favoured by voters, as in 1997. Purely 'gut feeling' and personal observation but I sense the country is in a very different place now compared to the 12 months leading up to the 1997 election. Social media of course has a role now especially in the culture wars, there are various betrayal narratives, major events such as the Iraq war, the banking crash, austerity, Brexit, COVID, Trump, Putin, mass movement of refugees etc etc. Given this background the most common expressed feeling I've heard towards politicians is 'a plague on all their houses'and that attitude is pretty deep rooted. No one is trusted and any 'plan' for the future immediately comes under attack or intense scrutiny, (there is already a very vigorous campaign against Labours plan for VAT on private school fees). A personality like Blair wouldn't have it as easy now and just wouldn't get high ratings, partly because of the above and also because of the memory of Blair himself. Imo Starmers lack of charisma assists his cause. In a febrile atmosphere a politician who comes across as bland/boring and has a limited agenda is more likely to offend less people than one who has charisma such as a Blair or Johnson or has a bold plan like Corbyn.
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Post by moby on Jan 29, 2024 3:38:31 GMT
I've always thought of the BBC as very establishment status quo in its output. Therefore not beloved by progressives or the radical right. Some shows appear to reflect a progressive social trend but they follow rather than lead.For instance Corrie had a trans character long before EastEnders and Brookside a gay character long before EastEnders. What annoys me is that they fit a black or asian character into every period drama, when there were actually very few in the UK until post WWII, and those that were here were mainly in port cities such as London, Cardiff, Bristol etc. This is an attempt to indoctrinate the young into believing that the UK has always been a 'multicultural' society. --- Yep let's not worry about whitewashing or blackface. Let's keep our traditions...... there should be a rule, .....no person of colour should be allowed to have a role in any period drama; this keeps historical accuracy authentic, protects the purity of white culture and 'our' young people's minds are saved from indoctrination. Racial and ethnic minority groups should stick to playing servants, cleaners and slaves. Of course it is only natural that we have white role models for all characters of historical significance ... who could forget the authenticity Burton and Taylor brought to Anthony and Cleopatra, or Rex Harrison's sublime portrayal of Julius Caesar, while John Wayne's Roman Centurion was masterful. I just could not imagine anyone else in that role especially when he suddenly realised that he was crucifiying the true son of God. youtu.be/zfHStJaidXU?feature=shared
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Post by Danny on Jan 29, 2024 6:51:48 GMT
Given this background the most common expressed feeling I've heard towards politicians is 'a plague on all their houses'and that attitude is pretty deep rooted. No one is trusted and any 'plan' for the future immediately comes under attack or intense scrutiny, (there is already a very vigorous campaign against Labours plan for VAT on private school fees). A personality like Blair wouldn't have it as easy now and just wouldn't get high ratings, partly because of the above and also because of the memory of Blair himself. To that you would have to add the memory of Nick Clegg, a short lived people's champion, and also David Cameron who was obviously chosen as the acceptable face of the aristocracy. Or indeed Johnson, the likeable chap. Johnson did very well getting support based on beingn likeable, whereas Truss seemed to have upset everyone and instantly got dismissed, and Sunak is a bit of a nonentity.
As to VAT on school fees, its noteable Blair thought this a step too far. On the one hand it will not raise a significant amount of money and will upset the middle class struggling with fees. Its an attack on parents trying to help their children, which isnt a good look. But then we also seem to have the insanity of making OSTED inspections less hard hitting so as not to upset teachers, and sunak's little gem of making 18 year olds study mathematics, to make up for the inability of schools to teach the subject to a basic non-specialist standard in the GCSE years. I fail to see why parents who pay for their own children's education should not receive a subsidy from the state for the cost saved in not paying for a place in a state school.
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Post by Danny on Jan 29, 2024 6:54:49 GMT
]What annoys me is that they fit a black or asian character into every period drama, when there were actually very few in the UK until post WWII, and those that were here were mainly in port cities such as London, Cardiff, Bristol etc. if the pattern was the same then as now, that means there were only coloured people in the places most people lived? It seems likely there is quite a bit of genetic coloured inheritance dating back to the Roman period, but i guess as its blended in thoroughly no one notices. But apart from that, much of the evidence for how many coloured people there might have been seems to be coming from genetic analysis of bodies turning them up. So Im certainly not clear how many visibly coloured people there might have been at different periods. And I can believe they might have benefitted from a novelty value in some situations raising their visibility (you might have a black servant not because blacks should be servants, but because it had cachet?).
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Post by Danny on Jan 29, 2024 7:00:56 GMT
Blair could claim some enthusiasm for New Labour in 1997, but maybe it was exaggerated and what we were really seeing was just overwhelming relief that some plausible alternative to Toryism had emerged after 18 long years. If there had been any enthusiasm for the opposition, then surely a government could never have lasted 18 years in office?
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Post by Danny on Jan 29, 2024 7:07:04 GMT
Yikes. One thing that always strikes me about Kuennsberg is how mind-bogglingly seriously she takes herself. One thing that strikes me about her is her big conk. Didnt Corbyn get into trouble about a picture featuring bankers with big noses on the grounds it was antisemitic? Just saying, its very easy to fall foul of such political correctness.
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Post by Danny on Jan 29, 2024 7:24:20 GMT
there is evidence that private schooling does make one more likely to have right-wing attitudes and vote Tory, even after controlling for "social origins at birth, cultural and material capital, academic achievements and early social class destination" The article you link says they correct for possible influential factors amongst kids antecedents, so eg they arent more right wing simply because more of their parents were. However as ever, there is the question of correlation rather than causation. There is general consensus people attending private schools do better in later life, which begs the question whether people vote according to their personal situation and which party will deliver the best government framework for them. Classically labour helps the poor and conservatives help the rich. So, if it is accepted that private schools make people richer, then they are likely to switch to vote conservative in their own personal interest. Correlation rather than causation, the effect is really that private schools make you rich later on and rich people vote conservative. Aside from that, the article says they set out to test the thesis that exposure to friends who are from a right wing background will influence you to become right wing yourself. The problem with this could well be that while a private school might bring together a higher than average number of people from such a background so that there will be much more influence on one person from a left wing background to change, it also has to be true that if right wing backgrounds are being concentrated in certain schools, they are being removed from others. So while these minority schools might be generating more right wing adults, this will be counterbalanced by the majority schools producing more left wing kids than they otherwise would. The article says, " given that private school alumni constitute fewer than 10% of voters, one could not conclude that private schools have had a substantive influence on aggregate voting and hence election outcomes. Rather, their alumni’s voting behaviour may be seen as indicative of broader viewpoints, while being consistent with our separate, notable finding about right-wing attitudes. The significance of the findings arises because the political attitudes of this elite are important, since a disproportionate number of private school alumni reach positions of substantive influence in public and commercial life, such as in Parliament, the cabinet, the senior judiciary, the press commentariat and CEOs of FTSE companies" So they do rather agree, the issue isnt about the total number of people getting private education and how many votes will therefore have been influenced, but its about the distinct success of these graduates in achieving influential positions in society. The issue is because private education works to advantage your future career.
But you did statistically reduce their chances of doing materially well during their careers.
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Post by hireton on Jan 29, 2024 8:08:12 GMT
Reform UK ahead of the Lib Dems for the first time in Sky's poll tracker:
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Post by wb61 on Jan 29, 2024 8:12:31 GMT
I believe @markadmin should be alerted. There must be board rules against such baiting. Almost Trevoresque! You may be too young to remember the old weepie: Tell Laura I Love Her.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=suy-bbKzTjk
On Hate Day the 4th word has to be changed. The theme was rather ripped off by the Shangri-Las's Leader of the Pack. There was a slew of these early death songs in the late 1950's early 1960's and this song was written as a sort of antidote: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k3I2fh-8VQ
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Post by domjg on Jan 29, 2024 8:37:10 GMT
I've always thought of the BBC as very establishment status quo in its output. Therefore not beloved by progressives or the radical right. Some shows appear to reflect a progressive social trend but they follow rather than lead.For instance Corrie had a trans character long before EastEnders and Brookside a gay character long before EastEnders. What annoys me is that they fit a black or asian character into every period drama, when there were actually very few in the UK until post WWII, and those that were here were mainly in port cities such as London, Cardiff, Bristol etc. This is an attempt to indoctrinate the young into believing that the UK has always been a 'multicultural' society. --- On another note, I came across this tonight which might please my many LoC fans. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mUg71D0unsMuch more hard-hitting than our own news programmes. I'm actually not sure if it's a traditional TV channel or internet-only, but it seemed quite professional so I'm guessing the former. By 'every period drama' do you mean 'Bridgerton' which is meant to be a fun, tongue in cheek reflection of today's young in a very made up Georgian setting, a bit like some city kids putting on a show? Not that it should matter in any case, the whole point about Bridgerton is that the ethnicity of the characters is completely unremarked upon, is irrelevant, as it matters not one jot.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 29, 2024 8:41:03 GMT
I see one or two of our regular posters, rather surprisingly and ill-advisedly too in my view, went dancing with the captain yesterday. Those who read my jottings know that I rarely get drawn into discussions about BBC political bias, so I resisted Birdseye's scandalous and outrageous provocations.
As for the old Captain, I think I have solved the riddle within his user name that is disguising his real identity. I think we have a returning old friend here. Let me explain in the manner of Ted Rodgers, the host of one of my all time favourite TV shows, 3-2-1. Ted used to crack riddles that were impenetrable to most and inexplicable to the dumbfounded contestants. Here we go.
Let's take the word Birdseye. Who were their biggest competitors in the frozen food market ( knowing hums from the intrigued audience)? Findus. Now let's break that word down into its two syllables. "Find" and "us". Is the "us" a word or acronym (another audience hum)? It's an acronym for US as in United States. This takes us to America and back to frozen food. What was Findus's best selling range (some applause in the audience now who think they've cracked it. Contestants still look perplexed but Ted's on a roll now)! Texan style Beef burgers is the answer. And Birdseye's top range? Turkey Rissoles in breadcrumbs. That gives us Texas Turkey. (Audience now cheering and Ted triumphant. Contestants still haven't the faintest idea what he's on about).
So, ladies and gentlemen. Birdseye is none other than Texas Turkey. Turk has returned. At last!
Tales from the Ranch to resume as the 2024 General Election looms!
Birdseye is a chilled out version of a now less heated Turk.
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Post by steve on Jan 29, 2024 8:44:22 GMT
"What annoys me is that they fit a black or asian character into every period drama, when there were actually very few in the UK until post WWII,
Why their actors their acting its fantasy that's how acting works they don't have to resemble the historic or fictional characters they play. Someone pretends to be someone else and once they've finished they stop pretending! I assume you had no problem with Lawrence Olivier playing Othello or the Mahdi.
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Post by domjg on Jan 29, 2024 8:51:08 GMT
I see one or two of our regular posters, rather surprisingly and ill-advisedly too in my view, went dancing with the captain yesterday. Those who read my jottings know that I rarely get drawn into discussions about BBC political bias, so I resisted Birdseye's scandalous and outrageous provocations. As for the old Captain, I think I have solved the riddle within his user name that is disguising his real identity. I think we have a returning old friend here. Let me explain in the manner of Ted Rodgers, the host of one of my all time favourite TV shows, 3-2-1. Ted used to crack riddles that were impenetrable to most and inexplicable to the dumbfounded contestants. Here we go. Let's take the word Birdseye. Who were their biggest competitors in the frozen food market ( knowing hums from the intrigued audience)? Findus. Now let's break that word down into its two syllables. "Find" and "us". Is the "us" a word or acronym (another audience hum)? It's an acronym for US as in United States. This takes us to America and back to frozen food. What was Findus's best selling range (some applause in the audience now who think they've cracked it. Contestants still look perplexed but Ted's on a roll now)! Texan style Beef burgers is the answer. And Birdseye's top range? Turkey Rissoles in breadcrumbs. That gives us Texas Turkey. (Audience now cheering and Ted triumphant. Contestants still haven't the faintest idea what he's on about). So, ladies and gentlemen. Birdseye is none other than Texas Turkey. Turk has returned. At last! Tales from the Ranch to resume as the 2024 General Election looms! Birdseye is a chilled out version of a now less heated Turk. There are Facebook conspiracists with far less logic to back up their assertions!
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