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Post by EmCat on Jan 7, 2024 21:16:00 GMT
The Mag Seven should also be a protean one in people's minds & hence its members should be anonymous? Or alternatively, nebulous, such as "Blake's 7" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake's_7#Regular_characters There are 12 regular characters listed for a notional group of 7, as some came, some went, and some even came back again. Which pretty much sounds like some of UKPR2, really
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Post by thylacine on Jan 7, 2024 21:26:57 GMT
The Mag Seven should also be a protean one in people's minds & hence its members should be anonymous? Or alternatively, nebulous, such as "Blake's 7" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake's_7#Regular_characters There are 12 regular characters listed for a notional group of 7, as some came, some went, and some even came back again. Which pretty much sounds like some of UKPR2, really Begs the question who is UKPR2's Servalan though ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 21:28:26 GMT
The preponderance of the numbers 3, 7 and 12 in religion, magic, days of the month, months of the year etc made me ponder yet again on their physical connections to music also.
For those who are unaware, three notes are required to complete a chord, seven steps for a scale whilst there are twelve semitones in an octave (DOH to doh).
It has got sod all to do with religion but it has always made ponder on the connectivity of it all.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 7, 2024 21:30:06 GMT
THE HATEFUL EIGHT: THE DEEP STATE While I do not object to any of the names suggested as members-elect of the Magnificent Seven, (apart from that posing, ponderous, prattling, prating, prolix fink pjw1961 , and I offer him no physical threats for his insult, as no punishment could equal the living hell of residing in Braintree, the effluent capital of excremental Essex, may he rot there for ever & God heap burning coals on his head & all those of his progeny) may I suggest naming people is a grave error. The Hateful Eight are the Deep State of the forum: no one knows who they are: a shifting group, in and out of which people slither, etc. The Mag Seven should also be a protean one in people's minds & hence its members should be anonymous? (I quite like pjw1961 s posts. He's a trifle earnest, but mild and incapable of offending anyone.). He offended me grievously with his recent comments about the televised Villa v Boro Cup tie.
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Post by pjw1961 on Jan 7, 2024 21:34:32 GMT
(I quite like pjw1961 s posts. He's a trifle earnest, but mild and incapable of offending anyone.). He offended me grievously with his recent comments about the televised Villa v Boro Cup tie. I thought they were unduly generous!
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 7, 2024 21:43:38 GMT
"The Hateful Eight" is a rather negative take on fellow posters. Perhaps we could have a "Magnificent Seven" as counterbalance - I would propose JamesE and Jimjam as founder members for their many helpful posts on polling matters. And eor, pjw among others Think you would be a female entrant! One indisputable gain in the forum over UKPR1 is the accession of women posters. Lady Val was about the only one on UKPR1. She's absent but she will probably return for an election. We are all so obsessed with the GE that the May locals, plus London mayor, bit forgotten. Think 2021 Tories did well, and due a drubbing. If Sunak cared about local forces -- he doesnt -- he could call an election then and get the vote out.
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Post by pjw1961 on Jan 7, 2024 21:45:21 GMT
Just to interrupt all these inward looking musings, I think the main reason the forum has been so easily distracted from polling is that there is very little to say about the latter recently. We have been in 'polldrums' for about 9 or 10 months now, with scarcely anything to get excited about. Likewise the relative travails of the the Conservatives and the SNP has prompted their partisans to post less often. If the polls narrow as the election approaches I have no doubt the site would become much livelier. And if Labour do win, then I also have no doubt that RoC posters will reappear to happily tear lumps out of a future Starmer government.
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 7, 2024 21:47:34 GMT
The Mag Seven should also be a protean one in people's minds & hence its members should be anonymous? Or alternatively, nebulous, such as "Blake's 7" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake's_7#Regular_characters There are 12 regular characters listed for a notional group of 7, as some came, some went, and some even came back again. Which pretty much sounds like some of UKPR2, really Never saw it, as I don't much like sci-fi & it was on at a time when I was always out. I indoctrinated my daughter agin sci-fi so I didn;t have to see the films. We were stuck somewhere once when she was small. The only film on offer was sci-fi. She refused to see it!
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Post by pjw1961 on Jan 7, 2024 21:52:00 GMT
And eor, pjw among others Think you would be a female entrant! One indisputable gain in the forum over UKPR1 is the accession of women posters. Lady Val was about the only one on UKPR1. She's absent but she will probably return for an election. We are all so obsessed with the GE that the May locals, plus London mayor, bit forgotten. Think 2021 Tories did well, and due a drubbing. If Sunak cared about local forces -- he doesnt -- he could call an election then and get the vote out. Also Police, (Fire) and Crime Commissioners. These have been changed to FPTP as part of the Conservative's vote rigging activities.
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Post by domjg on Jan 7, 2024 21:53:22 GMT
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Post by thylacine on Jan 7, 2024 21:56:43 GMT
Or alternatively, nebulous, such as "Blake's 7" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake's_7#Regular_characters There are 12 regular characters listed for a notional group of 7, as some came, some went, and some even came back again. Which pretty much sounds like some of UKPR2, really Never saw it, as I don't much like sci-fi & it was on at a time when I was always out. I indoctrinated my daughter agin sci-fi so I didn;t have to see the films. We were stuck somewhere once when she was small. The only film on offer was sci-fi. She refused to see it! I've just introduced my 19 year old daughter to the first series of New Who and we plan to watch right through to the present series.Some of the veiled political comment is interesting and topical.She loves it.
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Post by mercian on Jan 7, 2024 22:03:20 GMT
The preponderance of the numbers 3, 7 and 12 in religion, magic, days of the month, months of the year etc made me ponder yet again on their physical connections to music also. For those who are unaware, three notes are required to complete a chord, seven steps for a scale whilst there are twelve semitones in an octave (DOH to doh). It has got sod all to do with religion but it has always made ponder on the connectivity of it all. I believe the calendar days in a week and so on was originated by the ancient Babylonians. Apparently so was musical notation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Mesopotamia#Music_theory"From this relief, Sachs draws three conclusions: (1) that musicians used the pentatonic scale, (2) that different orchestra members played different parts, and (3) that musicians knew how to use chords.[155] Researchers also know that the Mesopotamians used a heptatonic, diatonic scale. They had the concept of musical intervals, including the octave, and understood the circle of fifths." So perhaps the number 7 had some mystical meaning for the Babylonians.
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Post by mercian on Jan 7, 2024 22:06:50 GMT
Never saw it, as I don't much like sci-fi & it was on at a time when I was always out. I indoctrinated my daughter agin sci-fi so I didn;t have to see the films. We were stuck somewhere once when she was small. The only film on offer was sci-fi. She refused to see it! I've just introduced my 19 year old daughter to the first series of New Who and we plan to watch right through to the present series.Some of the veiled political comment is interesting and topical.She loves it. That's why I've avoided the recent several series. Not-so veiled political indoctrination by the BBC.
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Post by domjg on Jan 7, 2024 22:17:37 GMT
Never saw it, as I don't much like sci-fi & it was on at a time when I was always out. I indoctrinated my daughter agin sci-fi so I didn;t have to see the films. We were stuck somewhere once when she was small. The only film on offer was sci-fi. She refused to see it! I've just introduced my 19 year old daughter to the first series of New Who and we plan to watch right through to the present series.Some of the veiled political comment is interesting and topical.She loves it. I caught an episode recently of a CBBC kid’s show about a space travelling pop star. It involved an alien character called ‘Emperor Blarp’ or something like that. The alien was taking part in an interstellar ‘I’m a celebrity’ type show and was a mop of blond hair atop a disheveled body with a megaphone for a face that just went ‘BLARP, BLARP!’ in people’s faces incessantly. Was made when Johnson would have been PM and would have been obvious to any adult watching. God bless BBC kids TV. It’s now far and away the best part of it.
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Post by domjg on Jan 7, 2024 22:22:35 GMT
I've just introduced my 19 year old daughter to the first series of New Who and we plan to watch right through to the present series.Some of the veiled political comment is interesting and topical.She loves it. That's why I've avoided the recent several series. Not-so veiled political indoctrination by the BBC. Would that be the same BBC that has shut down any critical analysis of tory govt or brexit and turned the Today programme into the DM on radio because, apparently ‘that’s what they want outside London’ despite the plummeting listener numbers?
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 7, 2024 22:31:31 GMT
robbiealive I believe the ""Hateful Eight" was an unpublished Enid Blyton novel, written during her dark period when depression got the better of her. Rumour has it in the literary world that it was her finest work. This may be better by Agatha Christie! She had a breakdown & disappeared? A few Christmases ago we watched an adaptation of And Then There Were None. The younger element were incredulised when I told em it was originally called Ten Little **s, later T en Little ""s. It sold! even by her standard. She had other "novels" with numbers . Couldn't write for toffees, but plots often good. Boomers often derided on here, but they, or the best of em, brought about an immense reduction in offensive language (PC as the enemy called it, woke now). Even nastiest elements now hold back from the kind of racoist, sexist & homophobic language which was standard when I was growing up: at least they do in public. If you believe language matters, that matters.
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Post by Danny on Jan 7, 2024 22:39:28 GMT
I agree that the culpability for political failure to recognise this injustice runs across all parties. And ultimately every PM. from and including g Blair is responsible. But there is only one lot in power right now and they are not lifting a finger to put this right.
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Post by Mark on Jan 7, 2024 22:48:39 GMT
You can always tell when a Tory is lying. Here is the truth about Ed Davey and the Post Office:
As you can see, Ed Davey met Alan Bates in October 2010. Also Ed’s advisory work for the law firm Herbert Smith Freehills (HSF), between 2015 and 2021, was exclusively about energy and climate change policy, and was properly declared on the MPs’ register of interests. If you do not desist from telling these lies, I shall request that Mark bans you. Don't you threaten me you you jumped up Lib Dem sh**ter. Ed Davey has questions to answer, and I've reposted from other sources on Twitter. If you don't like it - yes, please take up with the site owner and moderator. But don't use it as a threat. Jumped up little s**t calling me a Tory. You got into bed with them in 2010. *** ADMIN *** Firstly, *Leftieliberal : I do not take requests on banning members of this board. It is not your place to threaten another member as such. jib : Despite what Leftieliberal posted, that was not an excuse to flame and diretly abuse another member. If you think another member has behaved inappropraiately, you can alert me to the post in question. Other than that, eithor ignore or respond politely pointing out where you think they are in the wrong. Unless the spat continues, I will draw a line under it, but, I want to see no repeat in the future. Should a repeat occur, I may not be willing to give out a ticking off and leave it at that.
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Post by mercian on Jan 7, 2024 23:06:06 GMT
That's why I've avoided the recent several series. Not-so veiled political indoctrination by the BBC. Would that be the same BBC that has shut down any critical analysis of tory govt or brexit and turned the Today programme into the DM on radio because, apparently ‘that’s what they want outside London’ despite the plummeting listener numbers? I haven't listened to the Today programme for a long time. If they've started to correct their left-wing bias that's good. However you yourself have only just given an example of it on a childrens' programme.
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Post by Danny on Jan 7, 2024 23:10:55 GMT
One for alec, who likes to introduce new reports about covid. Here is a vid by a deep sceptic of what has gone on. www.youtube.com/watch?v=us4N4KL7VkIAfter he goes over the question of whether the virus shows all the hallmarks of having been developed in a lab, he moves on to the usefulness or otherwise of the vaccine, and in particular repeat vaccines. he draws some parallels to past examples where vaccines have proved dangerous and why, and argues they might in fact be responsible for other diseases escaping antibody control because of the exaggerated response to the no longer existent original covid virus which keeps being boosted. He argues this may extend to things such as cancer relapses because it impairs the body's ability to detect truly out of control cells. One point I noticed was the claim the updated vaccines arent any better than the original ones, because they still contain the original version too and the body will latch onto this, ignoring the updates, simply boosting its old response once again. He notes no one has ever been able to create a truly effective vaccine against corona viruses or similar cold viruses. And yet we are still buying them. He notes the state of Texas has sued Pfizer for fraud. He argues the drug companies have taken over the game, simply pushing their own products to create profits. Well duh, of course they would!
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Post by eor on Jan 8, 2024 0:25:22 GMT
Danny - I've wondered that before about the school absence figures, it feels like there must be *some* structural increase in the sickness rates since declaring fake sickness suddenly became the only free option for parents taking kids out a few days early to get half-price holiday flights. At the same time, if the increase in school sickness were largely down to tactical decisions by parents then there'd be no corresponding impact on employee sick leave rates. Whereas this chart is pretty striking! www.statista.com/statistics/290196/uk-sickness-absence-rate/It's actually worse than it looks, because given the rapid increase in flexibility, WFH options etc post-pandemic you'd expect the sickness rate to be lower than before, because more people with short-term illnesses have the option of logging on, dealing with a few crucial things, communicating that other things will be delayed a day or two and then going back to bed with their boss's blessing for what will then count as a day worked, rather than having to make a binary decision of going to the office or calling in sick. And likewise more parents of school-age children now have the ability to juggle caring for a sick child at home with doing a minimal or even sufficient amount of work, when previously they'd have to had take the day off to do this, and many would have called in sick themselves rather than risk a demeaning argument about their priorities and their commitment (especially as the parent who can't work due to a sick child will usually be a woman). So this should be pushing the employee sickness rate down too. And yet, it seems to have soared. Hard to escape the conclusion that this is because there's suddenly rather more sickness than there was before? I think there's a lot of naivete in your post tbh. You'd be mad telling your boss you're ill but could manage a few hours. They'd have you on a zero hour contract within the day...there will be no sickness allowed in the UK. pete - I was talking from a mixture of direct and anecdotal experience, but also going on the data I work with. Since remote working became much more common for sizeable parts of the business there's been a clear divergence between the sickness rates for those who are site-based but can WFH at will, and those whose job means they always have to attend work in person, with the former falling compared to the latter. I suspect part of that is also what you're getting at in your post - people who are unwell and unable to work fully but can conceal it more easily when at home? And also on an anecdotal level I've seen plenty of downside to this trend - crap managers who rely on staff to complete or delegate their most critical tasks when unwell, as a lazy alternative to having proper planning in place. There's also the risk that it becomes a bit like office environments where people regularly stay late - you're not obliged to do it, you can't be formally asked to, but if others do it and you don't, does your card get marked as someone who's less committed, not got the attitude required to progress etc? But in terms of the stats I cited to Danny, these amount to the same thing; whether through flexibility, anxiety or exploitative management, the substantial increase in remote working ought to be putting some downward pressure on reported sickness rates. So any increases we're seeing in the stats are if anything being slightly masked by that.
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Post by neilj on Jan 8, 2024 5:36:40 GMT
Lawrence Fox and the Reclaim party in one corner with Richard Tice and Reform in another. Both fighting like rats in a sack over multimillion pounds donation from billionaire benefactor These sell themselves as for the ordinary person...yeah right
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Post by neilj on Jan 8, 2024 6:01:21 GMT
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/07/conservatives-face-obliteration-as-uk-in-worse-state-than-2010-tory-mp-says'The Conservatives face “obliteration” at the next election after leaving the country in a worse state than they inherited it in 2010, a senior Tory MP has said, in a stark assessment of the party’s 13 years in government. Danny Kruger, a leading backbencher and founder of the increasingly influential New Conservatives group, said the Conservatives risked being ejected from power this year having left the country “sadder, less united and less conservative” than they found it'
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Post by steve on Jan 8, 2024 6:16:36 GMT
Neil Kruger is correct that 14 years of the Tories has left the country diminished but it's worth considering he and his right wing loon mates are also madder than a box of frogs as he claims " Brexit will be the great standing achievement of our time in office. " Standing indictment would be far more appropriate.
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Post by Danny on Jan 8, 2024 6:40:11 GMT
someone from welcome trust interviewed today, welcoming the return of britain to EU membership.
At least, to membership of the academic research program. Though she said it still costs an academic with a family £20,000 to come live here, and the government neeeds to get rid of these visa fees. I guess...she is thinking we ought to have freedom of movement?
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Post by neilj on Jan 8, 2024 6:42:12 GMT
Neither tweets are ethical, the first certainly isn't true and am not sure if the second isn't illegal, it's certainly phishing
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Post by Danny on Jan 8, 2024 6:43:10 GMT
Post office horizon scandal rumbles on, this time apparently found some extra victims, who got prosecuted during the trials program dating back to 1995. very much while the post office was under direct control by conservative ministers in the Major government. The aim of the computerisation then formally stated as being to prevent fraud, albeit by benefit claimants. I dont quite see how that was supposed to work?
News suggested that people convicted of a crime in this scandal cannot be compensated until that conviction is overturned. i thought that a particularly stupid comment, because obviosuly they could be if government chose to do so. It seems a flat rate compensation of £600,000 is currently being talked about, but this isnt enough. Bearing in mind this dates back to 1995 so some people have been affected for more than 25 years.
If we put this the other way around, and asked someone in 1995 how much pay they would want if for the next 25 years they would agree to be pretend to be victims of fraudulent fraud charges, go through criminal convictions, lose their livelihoods, homes, families, just how much would you have had to pay them for them to agree to do this? £1 million? £10 million? £100 million? Shouldnt that be the measure of compensation? What an average person would have expected to be paid to voluntarily accept what happened?
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Post by Danny on Jan 8, 2024 6:51:07 GMT
Another item argued police need 18,000 new officers, simply to maintain the level of policing amongst a growing population. It wasnt clear how this was calculated, but google suggests there are about 160,000 police in the Uk. Unfortunately, then we have a lot of support staff who arent officially police, so its hard to determine the total workforce. But for comparison the NHS workforce is more like 2 million, so at a similar rate that would call for an extra 200,000 employees to keep pace with growing population.
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Post by Danny on Jan 8, 2024 7:26:11 GMT
Or alternatively, nebulous, such as "Blake's 7" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake's_7#Regular_characters There are 12 regular characters listed for a notional group of 7, as some came, some went, and some even came back again. Which pretty much sounds like some of UKPR2, really Begs the question who is UKPR2's Servalan though ? I just discovered 'interview with the vampire' has been re-made as a TV series with one series done. Its now 50 years since the book was written, and some time since it was made as a film. I need to get it out and re-read, because i dont recall it being quite the tale of the discrimination faced by a young black gay vampire trying to run a string of brothels in massively anti all those things period new Orleans. Funnily enough, it has quite a lot in common with 'The crown'. Impressive period sets, and concentrating on the down side of what apparently is a position of power and luxury, difficult secret relationships. Prince harry hasnt done so well from a mixed relationship either. It seems the series goes strong on the gay aspects of the story and as to the replacement brad pitt and Tom cruise characters being in a mixed race relationship, well didnt remember that either in the film. Fascinating how times have changed, how clearly the market for certain kinds of content has changed. Similarly, People might like to contemplate the difference between classic hollywood films like 'quo Vardis' from 1951, and modern TV series such as 'spartacus' or faux historic epics such as 'game of thrones'. The classic hollywood era couldnt even portray any sort of straight sex or nudity. Now gay angst and nudity and mixed race relationships are required in such series. The deeply pro christian aspects of quo vardis also seem very dated (including a couple of explicit minor miracles, not so very different from writing in vampires). Bearing in mind our recent estimates that the traditional white (or at least blended over 2000 years to white) population of the UK is on the way out and expected to be swamped by immigrants within existing lifetimes, and the steadily rising proportion of people identifying publicly as non straight.
I dont recall who amongst Blakes 7 were the gay couple? star trek did of course get some stick for having a black woman on the bridge.
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Post by steve on Jan 8, 2024 7:46:35 GMT
The traitor is currently appealing to the U.S. Supreme court on the basis of absolute immunity from criminal prosecution as head of state. It's absurd, even the chtistofascist members of the supreme court ( Clarence Thomas excluded as husband to an insurrectionist and bought and paid for corrupt judge) are highly likely to reject this as entirely inappropriate in a democracy.
In the UK our head of state is exempt from criminal prosecution, or even investigation, is exempt from laws that relate to such diverse areas as the environment, driving, requirements to hold a passport, pay taxes ( they make a small voluntary contribution estimated at around 5%) Charles Windsor can't be arrested for any crime up to and including murder and can't be charged with a crime Currently, more than 30 different laws bar the police from entering private royal estates without the sovereign’s permission to investigate suspected crimes. So even his flunkies enjoy a degree of criminal immunity.
You might imagine that these rights of our unelected hereditary head of state date back centuries. While it's of course true that turning a blind eye to disgusting and criminal behaviour by our royal family has a centuries long tradition these exemptions from laws weren't actually written in hundreds of years ago.
They date from 1967 when legislation was written in to exempt Elizabeth Windsor from effectively all criminal laws and criminal or civil liability. These rights have transferred to her son Charles.
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