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Post by oldnat on Dec 5, 2023 19:29:37 GMT
What if you have more than one bank account? Would it give them the right to look into ALL the accounts held, or just the one the pension is paid into? (Briefly delurking before the fitba)
It's all accounts in the UK's largest 15 banks.
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Post by Danny on Dec 5, 2023 20:01:09 GMT
Another tale from the chalk face today. Various organisation put on events for kids doing exams which a wide variety of schools attend, several schools at once in a large presentation. In this case staff compared notes between a private school and a London state school. For starters, the private school scored ofsted outstanding, and the state school 'needs improvement'. Having a look at the ofsted website, I see it says 17% of schools achieved outstanding in year ending 31 December 22. However a recent talk with an ofsted inspector said the total is now 8%. Bad news coming up for government?
Anyway, kids on trips are accompanied by staff. In this case three teachers each. The private school had three regular teachers. The state two plus one supply teacher, who however works regularly at that school. Commented how desperately needed to find a better place to work. In the break one of the private teachers ended up giving an impromptu lecture of their own on what said person considered the failings of the representative of the exam board who was one of those addressing the gathering. The issue was that the examiner seemed to have assumed too much knowledge of the audience, how to get a top mark. This teacher explained some tips which might be relevant to students who werent expecting top marks, how they might best maximise their chances. (Noting that private schools are very comprehensive in terms of academic ability of their kids, the goals is maximise everyones chances). Also explained a couple of points the state school teachers hadnt understood. An audience of kids formed, the state school teachers remarked how it was possible ordinarily disruptive kids were suddenly listening attentively to the tips. The teachers themselves took notes. My take on this, kids will listen if you have something they think is worth listening to.
The state teachers were asked how things were in their school. They explained the head of English had been on sick leave pretty much permanently with just enough reappearances to keep their job, for three years. They agreed their school desperately needs more good teachers.
They discussed discipline and a private teacher explained they do have a problem with vaping. The state schools explained they have a problem with knives and even guns. A disproportionate number of private schools' teachers seem themselves to have only experienced private education, and then only teach in private schools. Where they do an excellent job. Possibly they would be minced alive in the state system, but in a school with far better discipline standards they can be very effective. The state sytem cannot utilise such people.
In the PIZA report this morning, their spokesperson explained the results, and that the UK was under performing compared to most of Europe. Well, this little cameo of events today rather explains why. Unruly kids who do not listen to their regular staff. Someone who really knows both their stuff and how to keep control, gets them all paying attention.
As state school funding continues to go down the toilet along with all other state services, we see the results. The grammar system was abolished for being elitist. However the state is not willing to fund all schools equally to the same high standard of education. A grammar system allows taking the best of the kids, or the most tractable, or those with the pushiest parents, doesnt matter really just so long as they are willing to learn and behave, and uses what money is available to ensure at least some get a good education.
So what is labours response? Not to increase schools funding. Not to create more elite schools so that at least the nation has some well educated people. But rather to up taxes on private schools, to prevent those of the nations parents who can barely affford them already, getting the benefits at least for their kids. That is astonishingly short sighted.
Some of the private kids commented how poor the state kids looked, and on their teachers taking notes just like they were kids!. Good for them to realise their own priviliged position. But as commentary on the true condition of state education, oh dear oh dear. Why is it unsurprising the UK is declining internationally?
A completely separate news item today commented on the collapse in numbers of people in the UK taking practical qualifications. Can't remember what the story was, something to do with lack of engineers. A completely separate teacher from a different London school I was talking to about their relative success at least with discipline suggested they had come to an agreement with the local street gang which operates in their part of London. The gang rather approved of their members being educated, and so was at least cooperative in maintaining discipline within the school.
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Post by alec on Dec 5, 2023 20:23:39 GMT
Danny - "I mentioned 20 years knocked off life expectancy by the 1918 flu epidemic.." It was actually 11 years, but only for two years of the flu pandemic itself, rebounding straight away to the trend growth such that there was no long term impact whatsoever in this measure. Covid is behaving very differently, with a persistent impact that has continued well beyond the acute phase of the pandemic.
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Post by alec on Dec 5, 2023 20:38:18 GMT
Rejoining the EU: I have to say, both sides on this need to move away from the idea that rejoining/staying out of the EU is a goal in itself.
One of the problems with the leave campaign was that they couldn't appreciate that while the UK was struggling in the EU, many other members states were doing OK. We struggled before we joined the EU, and we're struggling now. Going in or out doesn't automatically make life rosy. I think it's easier to prosper in the EU that out, but that still requires us to do a lot of things differently. That applies to leavers and rejoiners alike.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 20:54:29 GMT
Wonder if Natty is enjoying the footy? I do hope so. π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ
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Post by thylacine on Dec 5, 2023 20:54:44 GMT
Another completely separate teacher from a different London school I was talking to about their relative success at least with discipline suggested they had come to an agreement with the local street gang which operates in their part of London. The gang rather approved of their members being educated, and so was at least cooperative in maintaining discipline within the school. Sounds very like Whoopi Goldberg in Sister Act π you'll be referencing To Sir with Love next !
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Post by isa on Dec 5, 2023 21:11:59 GMT
Another completely separate teacher from a different London school I was talking to about their relative success at least with discipline suggested they had come to an agreement with the local street gang which operates in their part of London. The gang rather approved of their members being educated, and so was at least cooperative in maintaining discipline within the school. Sounds very like Whoopi Goldberg in Sister Act π you'll be referencing To Sir with Love next ! Probably not everyone's cup of tea, but I love that film, starring the unlikely combination of Lulu and the great Sidney Poitier. What a great year 1967 was for him - starring in three classic, groundbreaking films, 'In the Heat of the Night', 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' and 'To Sir With Love'.
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Post by neilj on Dec 5, 2023 21:32:47 GMT
Sounds very like Whoopi Goldberg in Sister Act π you'll be referencing To Sir with Love next ! Probably not everyone's cup of tea, but I love that film, starring the unlikely combination of Lulu and the great Sidney Poitier. What a great year 1967 was for him - starring in three classic, groundbreaking films, 'In the Heat of the Night', 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' and 'To Sir With Love'. Three great films, hard to pick my favourite but if I has to I would say In the Heat of the Night.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 21:38:55 GMT
Wonder if Natty is enjoying the footy? I do hope so. π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ Probably more than the England Wimmin who only scored one more goal in the second half and it looks like five isnβt enough to qualify. They will nae doot be sick as chups.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 21:40:03 GMT
Bloody hell!!!!! Just scored a sixth well into added time. It will be the Dutch who are as sick as a chip!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 21:43:49 GMT
And now Netherlands do the same!! Absolutely remarkable.
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Post by bardin1 on Dec 5, 2023 21:50:06 GMT
Wonder if Natty is enjoying the footy? I do hope so. π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ Quite possibly If he's supporting Ross County who thumped Motherwell tonight in the Premier League
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Post by isa on Dec 5, 2023 21:50:52 GMT
Probably not everyone's cup of tea, but I love that film, starring the unlikely combination of Lulu and the great Sidney Poitier. What a great year 1967 was for him - starring in three classic, groundbreaking films, 'In the Heat of the Night', 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' and 'To Sir With Love'. Three great films, hard to pick my favourite but if I has to I would say In the Heat of the Night. Great films indeed, neilj. As you say, a hard decision to pick between them. I think I'd just plump for 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner', not least because it also includes the last screen performance of the legendary Spencer Tracy, one of the All Time Greats. He died literally a fortnight after it finished filming. I love 'To Sir With Love' partly because it also includes lots of then-contemporary London cinematography, beautifully shot, which reminds me vividly of family holidays in southeast London as a nipper. All largely vanished now, of course.
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Post by thylacine on Dec 5, 2023 21:59:24 GMT
Three great films, hard to pick my favourite but if I has to I would say In the Heat of the Night. Great films indeed, neilj. As you say, a hard decision to pick between them. I think I'd just plump for 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner', not least because it also includes the last screen performance of the legendary Spencer Tracy, one of the All Time Greats. He died literally a fortnight after it finished filming. I love 'To Sir With Love' partly because it also includes lots of then-contemporary London cinematography, beautifully shot, which reminds me vividly of family holidays in southeast London as a nipper. All largely vanished now, of course. Wapping and Shadwell where to Sir with Love was filmed are still remarkably intact. Wapping very gentrified along the river but Shadwell and Cable St still looking authentically down at heel.
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Post by wb61 on Dec 5, 2023 22:03:16 GMT
Probably not everyone's cup of tea, but I love that film, starring the unlikely combination of Lulu and the great Sidney Poitier. What a great year 1967 was for him - starring in three classic, groundbreaking films, 'In the Heat of the Night', 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' and 'To Sir With Love'. Three great films, hard to pick my favourite but if I has to I would say In the Heat of the Night. Agreed π
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Post by wb61 on Dec 5, 2023 22:07:05 GMT
This time of year however I am always drawn back to my seasonal favourite films, A Wonderful Life never ages for me and Alistair Sim will always be my favourite portrayal of Ebenezer Scrooge.
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Post by wb61 on Dec 5, 2023 22:12:11 GMT
Not the colourised versions I hasten to add.
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Post by isa on Dec 5, 2023 22:15:37 GMT
Great films indeed, neilj . As you say, a hard decision to pick between them. I think I'd just plump for 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner', not least because it also includes the last screen performance of the legendary Spencer Tracy, one of the All Time Greats. He died literally a fortnight after it finished filming. I love 'To Sir With Love' partly because it also includes lots of then-contemporary London cinematography, beautifully shot, which reminds me vividly of family holidays in southeast London as a nipper. All largely vanished now, of course. Wapping and Shadwell where to Sir with Love was filmed are still remarkably intact. Wapping very gentrified along the river but Shadwell and Cable St still looking authentically down at heel. I knew that was where it was filmed, but my family hols were south of the river, in Woolwich, Plumstead and Abbey Wood, similarly down at heel, and very reminiscent to my boyhood eyes to the backdrop of TSWL. Not been back there for many years, but even in the '90s, the area seemed to have changed virtually beyond recognition.
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Post by isa on Dec 5, 2023 22:33:03 GMT
This time of year however I am always drawn back to my seasonal favourite films, A Wonderful Life never ages for me and Alistair Sim will always be my favourite portrayal of Ebenezer Scrooge. I caught the end of 'It's a Wonderful Life' on Film 4 earlier. A bit too long in the build up to my mind, but the last hour has some of the most memorable moments that exist on film. Jimmy Stewart is nothing short of astonishing and a big shout out for Henry Travers as Clarence, his guardian angel, who is also brilliant. As for Alastair Sim, you're preaching to the choir there. One of my all time favourite actors.
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Post by steve on Dec 5, 2023 22:46:49 GMT
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Post by richardstamper on Dec 6, 2023 0:04:33 GMT
Another tale from the chalk face today. Various organisation put on events for kids doing exams which a wide variety of schools attend, several schools at once in a large presentation. In this case staff compared notes between a private school and a London state school. For starters, the private school scored ofsted outstanding, and the state school 'needs improvement'. Having a look at the ofsted website, I see it says 17% of schools achieved outstanding in year ending 31 December 22. However a recent talk with an ofsted inspector said the total is now 8%. Bad news coming up for government? Anyway, kids on trips are accompanied by staff. In this case three teachers each. The private school had three regular teachers. The state two plus one supply teacher, who however works regularly at that school. Commented how desperately needed to find a better place to work. In the break one of the private teachers ended up giving an impromptu lecture of their own on what said person considered the failings of the representative of the exam board who was one of those addressing the gathering. The issue was that the examiner seemed to have assumed too much knowledge of the audience, how to get a top mark. This teacher explained some tips which might be relevant to students who werent expecting top marks, how they might best maximise their chances. (Noting that private schools are very comprehensive in terms of academic ability of their kids, the goals is maximise everyones chances). Also explained a couple of points the state school teachers hadnt understood. An audience of kids formed, the state school teachers remarked how it was possible ordinarily disruptive kids were suddenly listening attentively to the tips. The teachers themselves took notes. My take on this, kids will listen if you have something they think is worth listening to. The state teachers were asked how things were in their school. They explained the head of English had been on sick leave pretty much permanently with just enough reappearances to keep their job, for three years. They agreed their school desperately needs more good teachers. They discussed discipline and a private teacher explained they do have a problem with vaping. The state schools explained they have a problem with knives and even guns. A disproportionate number of private schools' teachers seem themselves to have only experienced private education, and then only teach in private schools. Where they do an excellent job. Possibly they would be minced alive in the state system, but in a school with far better discipline standards they can be very effective. The state sytem cannot utilise such people. In the PIZA report this morning, their spokesperson explained the results, and that the UK was under performing compared to most of Europe. Well, this little cameo of events today rather explains why. Unruly kids who do not listen to their regular staff. Someone who really knows both their stuff and how to keep control, gets them all paying attention. As state school funding continues to go down the toilet along with all other state services, we see the results. The grammar system was abolished for being elitist. However the state is not willing to fund all schools equally to the same high standard of education. A grammar system allows taking the best of the kids, or the most tractable, or those with the pushiest parents, doesnt matter really just so long as they are willing to learn and behave, and uses what money is available to ensure at least some get a good education. So what is labours response? Not to increase schools funding. Not to create more elite schools so that at least the nation has some well educated people. But rather to up taxes on private schools, to prevent those of the nations parents who can barely affford them already, getting the benefits at least for their kids. That is astonishingly short sighted. Some of the private kids commented how poor the state kids looked, and on their teachers taking notes just like they were kids!. Good for them to realise their own priviliged position. But as commentary on the true condition of state education, oh dear oh dear. Why is it unsurprising the UK is declining internationally? The private school system spews out socially ignorant, opinionated, arrogant, self-important sociopaths like the crew that have been running the country the last 13 years. Assisted by those who suck up to and seek to emulate the aforementioned socially ignorant, opinionated, arrogant, self-import sociopaths. Private schooling is profoundly harmful to the overall wellbeing of the nation and is a key underlying cause of our decline relative to other nations; it turns out people who are spectacularly bad at managing organisations, privileges them in acquiring jobs managing organisations and the country, and as a side-benefit ensures that the talents and abilities of the other 93% of the population are underused. Delivering a "good education" to a small elite was tolerably effective for running Empire and the labour-intensive industries of the 19th century but is no good for the 21st. Following your apparently serious suggestion that we should concentrate state education spending on those attending a few grammar schools and let the rest rot would be a guarantee of national collapse. Our best chance of reversing the trajectory we are on would be to abolish the private/state divide so the wealthy and powerful can't run off and hide in an education system separate from everyone else. Levers to effect this could be: - The Finnish approach of prohibiting charging fees for all "basic education" that leads to a qualification.
- Assigning places at schools in an area by lot.
- Offering places at elite universities (Oxbridge, Russell Group) pro rata to schools by size.
- Requiring universities to take 93% of entrants from the state sector.
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Post by steve on Dec 6, 2023 7:10:24 GMT
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Post by Danny on Dec 6, 2023 7:18:50 GMT
The mortality crisis is, more than anything else, a crisis of the young and middle aged Really very striking to see this, and completely against expectations. Most of this is clearly covid driven, in one way or another, and the impact on younger people is going to exert a major impact on both life expectancy and economic development. This is how evolution works. I had a look at your link. It reports excess mortality, eg in heart disease. It does NOT suggest this is caused by covid. Not does it suggest this has affected life expectancy. The fact there has been an increase in deaths in an age group where not many die, will not necessarily make any significant difference to life expectancy on average beause its still negligible. An alternative explanation would be the failing GP service, which is not detecting illness early enough in these groups. That seems very likely to me, because younger people will be low prioritised by receptionists screening who gets to see a GP. Its the problrm that because people are no longer able to see a GP when they want, the GPs cannot any longer screen patients for diseases they dont suspect they have. This chimes with what the president of the GPs organisation said yesterday being interviwed, that the way to improve NHS performance is actually to divert more resources to GP services, to make sure things get detected before they ever reach the stage of needing a hospital, never mind dying. That interview mentioned the importance of finding amongst the 40 or so patients you might see in a day, the two who have a serious problem which needs urgent attention.
You just will not have it that fundamentally there is a strong link between the amount you pay the NHS, therefore the total amount of care it provides, and the number of deaths or early deaths. Over recent years the total of older people who make most demand on services has risen, and funding has not kept pace. Of course more are dying, its because we have chosen to let this happen. The knock on additional pressure on services would be expected to exclude younger people as a low priority, and they will also die as a result.
I am curious why you do your level best to bury the failings of the NHS due to lack of funding, which has historically been a trump card of the labour party, whereas generally you do seem to push pro labour arguments. Does this imply labour does not believe it will be able to spend more on the NHS, and so we can look forward to the conservative pattern of rising deaths year on year continuing, rather than the pattern in the last labour government of year on year deaths falling? (by about 5000 extra per year in both cases)
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Post by Danny on Dec 6, 2023 7:24:13 GMT
Lord Sumption this morning asked his opinion on Rwanda legal changes. Not sure he was actually allowed to answer the questions put to him as he commenced giving a judicial explained answer rather than a soundbite. The answer would seem to be, 'it depends...'. However he noted that if we remain part of the convention on human rights, it would be considered preferable we actually seek to obey it rather than get round it.
He was also asked his opinion of the covid enquiry. He noted two things, first that the enquiry is not looking into whether or not the action taken was proportionate, ie the thate huge cost of intervnetions was ultimately justified by outcomes.
Second, the enquiry is not seeking evidence from independent experts, only from people who were involved in the process of what happened. Which might tend to bias what they say!
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Post by alec on Dec 6, 2023 7:47:52 GMT
Danny - "An alternative explanation would be the failing GP service, which is not detecting illness early enough in these groups. That seems very likely to me, because younger people are not obvious candidates for such disease, and will be low prioritised by receptionists screening who gets to see a GP." This is actually a sensible point. Very refreshing for a change. There will be some of this for sure, but the central point, which is obvious from a cursory look at the figures, is that the mortality crisis in this age group really started in 2022/23, after we had entered the phase of ceasing to attempt to control covid in any meaningful way. We also have accepted scientific evidence that covid greatly enhances subsequent risks of death from cardiovascular and respiratory diseases, just exactly those areas where we see the worst of the mortality crisis. I think it's also worth flagging up the fact of covid induced demand on the health service as being a causal factor in delayed diagnosis in it's own right. A little grasped fact is that in summer 2020 the NHS had pretty much caught up with the lockdown induced backlogs. It has bee instead the mass infection that has been the main driver of additional pressure. "You just will not have it that fundamentally there is a strong link between the amount you pay the NHS, therefore the total amount of care it provides, and the number of deaths or early deaths." This is where you go off the rails. If you can find a single post of mine where I deny that underfunding is contributing to the mortality crisis, be my guest. You won't find such a post, so a withdrawal and apology might be worth considering. You can't just make stuff up Danny. That's unpleasant behaviour and very childish. Two substantive points here: pretty much every metric in the NHS was heading in the wrong direction before covid because of underfunding. The rate of decline accelerated dramatically and has not recovered since. Two things can be happening simultaneously, but the biggest single impact is covid. Second, as I have repeatedly challenged you, can you explain how underfunding the NHS affects health services in the US, Australia, Canada, Germany, Japan, etc etc. This is a global problem, with every health service experiencing declines in performance. There's a reason for this, and it's not UK spending decisions since 2010. This is something you have consistently ignored, but it's a fundamental point.
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Post by Danny on Dec 6, 2023 8:07:14 GMT
Danny - "I mentioned 20 years knocked off life expectancy by the 1918 flu epidemic.." It was actually 11 years, but only for two years of the flu pandemic itself, rebounding straight away to the trend growth such that there was no long term impact whatsoever in this measure. Covid is behaving very differently, with a persistent impact that has continued well beyond the acute phase of the pandemic. The 1918 flus actually ended in the fashion of normal natural epidemics. Big surge then very little disease. Number of such waves. We had two such waves from covid, but then after the vaccination campaign have instead had endemic, constant disease. Somehow we caused that to happen, and its historially unprecedented. We turned a normal seasonal disease into an all year round one. Well, we did in the UK, it hasnt been the case in some other countries. Maybe thats because we bought 400 million doses of vaccine for 65 million people when we only needed maybe 40 million? I looked up how many people the spanish flu killed and saw an estimate of 50 million. As compared to 7 million for covid, and 40 million for HIV. Also remembering the world population was somewhat smaller in 1918, so fewer to infect. But in particular those killed by the flu were much younger with greater remaining life expectancy than those dying from covid. Average age at death from covid in the Uk was 82 in 2020, maybe bit lower later but still 80s. I see a paper which says the modal age for death from spanish flu was 28 and has an age profile, which suggests the mean is probably lower because of a big peak of deaths in the very young.
The article actually suggests an antigenic sin explanation for the age pattern, which is interesting because one possible explanation why we have created an all year round deadly diseases instead of it following the natural pattern of disappearing is because of an excessive booster vaccination program of an imperfect vaccine. They argue exposure to the previous Russian flu had imprinted people of a certain age on the wrong pattern for Spanish flu, which had actually made them more susceptible. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3734171/Life expectancy is a different measure to life years lost by a disease. Life expectancy is calculated based on those dying in each year, average age at death. During an epidemic it drops, but for covid it fell hardly at all compared to average life expectancy before. I dont mind your claim it was 10 years for flu, you are still making my point that it was much bigger than for covid. And that was at a time the drop of ten years was on a base of around 50! If it had been calculated against modern standards, people were dying 40 years early on average! The flu was killing people way younger and therefore fitter people than has covid, which frankly killed only the already debilitated. (though I have also reported another analysis, which argued the age group affected was prime age for having tuberculosis, arguing it was having both together which accounted for the surge at this age group, and the paper linked above does mention this too) These numbers dont tell me what I need to know, which is how many years early people died on average from spanish flu. But lets take 20 years considering the modal age 28 and life expectancy 50. Then the flu cost 1 billion life years. Compared to my estinate for HIV costing 1.7 billion life years, and covid 7 million life years (assuming just 1 year life expectancy lost because those dying are so old on average). Note that HIV is ahead of flu only because of assuming a longer life expectancy in the late 20th century than at the start. If we had had in 2020 the life expectancy pertaining in 1920, then its possible we would hardly have noticed covid at all, because it had such minimal effect on the much younger population. Its a disease of old sick people.
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Post by barbara on Dec 6, 2023 8:11:37 GMT
Another completely separate teacher from a different London school I was talking to about their relative success at least with discipline suggested they had come to an agreement with the local street gang which operates in their part of London. The gang rather approved of their members being educated, and so was at least cooperative in maintaining discipline within the school. Sounds very like Whoopi Goldberg in Sister Act π you'll be referencing To Sir with Love next ! The power and attraction of unevidenced anecdotes!
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Post by barbara on Dec 6, 2023 8:14:44 GMT
Sounds very like Whoopi Goldberg in Sister Act π you'll be referencing To Sir with Love next ! Probably not everyone's cup of tea, but I love that film, starring the unlikely combination of Lulu and the great Sidney Poitier. What a great year 1967 was for him - starring in three classic, groundbreaking films, 'In the Heat of the Night', 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' and 'To Sir With Love'. To Sir With Love was on the GCE English Lit syllabus in the 70s when I was teaching. It never ceased to cause sniggers from the boys and embarrassment from the girls when we got to the bit about the burning of the tampon in the grate in the classroom. I hated that book!!
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Post by Danny on Dec 6, 2023 8:15:00 GMT
Rejoining the EU: I have to say, both sides on this need to move away from the idea that rejoining/staying out of the EU is a goal in itself. One of the problems with the leave campaign was that they couldn't appreciate that while the UK was struggling in the EU, many other members states were doing OK. We struggled before we joined the EU, and we're struggling now. Going in or out doesn't automatically make life rosy. I think it's easier to prosper in the EU that out, but that still requires us to do a lot of things differently. That applies to leavers and rejoiners alike. The Uk was in distinct decline before it joined the EU, and membership was sold in part on the grounds it would reverse that trend. During our membership the UK did indeed recover its economic standing, and we saw such things as the recreation of UK based vehicle manufacture. Since we left the Uk has declined. Its true that decline curently looks like a steady path since conservatives took power from labour, but the risk of Brexit has been depressing UK performance since 2015 at least and the referendum was a manifesto commitment which didnt come from nowhere. Euroscepticism would already have been in the minds of industry and is likely responsible for at least a decade already of under investment in Uk industry.
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Post by barbara on Dec 6, 2023 8:15:37 GMT
Probably not everyone's cup of tea, but I love that film, starring the unlikely combination of Lulu and the great Sidney Poitier. What a great year 1967 was for him - starring in three classic, groundbreaking films, 'In the Heat of the Night', 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' and 'To Sir With Love'. Three great films, hard to pick my favourite but if I has to I would say In the Heat of the Night. In The Heat of the Night smashes it!
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