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Post by oldnat on Aug 24, 2023 19:11:20 GMT
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 24, 2023 19:19:17 GMT
jen A while back you mentioned having to prep your pedalboard for a gig, and I asked what pedals you might be using. You didn’t reply but I wasn’t sure if that was because you didn’t see my post. Anyways, if you don’t want to say, that’s obviously fine, no biggie, I’m just interested in what pedals people use. Since you ask, the current version for a small gig is... > Korg Pitch Black Mini tuner > Digitech Freqout > Digitech Ricochet > Mooer Yellow Compressor (don't really use it so I'll dump it soon) > MXR Super Badass Distortion > MXR Carbon Copy Delay Mini > Boss GE-7 (only used if the frequency characteristics of the room make a correction necessary) > Caline Americana > Wow, thanks Jen! You’ve got a Freqout! I’ve been keen to try one of those. I found the EQ7 can be fun trying to recreate other pickups like a P90, but these days with modelling, maybe superceded for that. Like the idea of the Caline 57 deluxe sim - Have you been tempted by any of the more all-encompassing modellers, Kemper etc.? (I’ve got some older pedals, like a Mesa Boogie V-Twin, an Extreme Cream etc., and a VG99 using a GK Pickup, but am rather behind the current curve) |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 24, 2023 19:21:05 GMT
The Digitech Freqout, in case anyone is wondering… youtu.be/HU-hLhMQHg8?si=1qy51knPp2m7YITt…it creates a feedback effect (without having to run a Marshall stack at full volume). The higher notes you can hear fading in over the top etc. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 24, 2023 19:41:06 GMT
Just FWIW then Green Party of E&W last 'essay' was from Jan'23. IMO they need to go for catchier slogans (eg Get Brexit Done, Make Brexit Work, etc) but that's up to them of course.
Green Party say UK needs to be ‘rejoin ready’ as country marks three years since leaving EUwww.greenparty.org.uk/news/2023/01/31/green-party-say-uk-needs-to-be-rejoin-ready-as-country-marks-three-years-since-leaving-eu/NB Quite a short essay for them so a quick read. Some of the info is out of date already (eg IMF predictions). Bit vague on the timing but they do state: "As Greens we believe that the UK should rejoin the EU as soon as the political conditions are right"NFI what that means TBH. The political conditions could be right now, right never, or anything in between. IIRC I used to say "No Fate but what we make for ourselves" so if folks actually want to Rejoin 'full fat' EU then 'Get on with it' instead of 'Carry on Moaning'. Sounds like a better bet for a friend of mine and I still think it's going to be neck and neck between them and them for 3rd / 4th place in England. Greens have a 'let everyone in' immigration policy so a total non-starter for me but some people might like that kind of thing. Certainly for genuine LoCs, woke types, etc then Greens have policies that would match those kind of people and a bit less vague about Rejoin.EU than 'ultimately SM' from LDEM. In terms of %s then I wouldn't rule out the RUK for 3rd place. They seem to have gone with just 4 bullet points rather than the 5 missions/priorities of LAB/CON and whilst unfunded and unrealistic then you don't have to read multiple essays that suggest some vague, maybe later, stuff. In terms of seats then LDEM are the most 'lumpy' (clumpy) and hopefully athena can expand on her valid point about dispersion (even though the main point of UKIP/BXP/RUK and Green lumpiness was WRT to how they can be spoilers for the big two). You did say England but for whole of UK then TBC if LDEM can beat SNP on seats. I'm more optimistic on LDEM that you and reckon 30ish each? Greens maybe 1-2 (but could be spoilers on 30+ for LAB) and RUK zero (but could be spoilers on 30+ for CON) That's covered the main smaller parties. Someone else can do OMRLP or the unofficial ones (eg Gina Miller, Count Binface or DUP if people want to cover NI)  |
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Post by domjg on Aug 24, 2023 19:44:04 GMT
The article below worries me a lot. Quite aside from the disgusting behaviour going on in Llanelli (and the Home Office), I have not far away from me, RAF Wethersfield. While I think that it is an unsuitable place to house asylum seekers and other immigrants due to its rural location and lack of transport links, the people themselves don't worry me at all. However, the idea their presence may attract Katie Hopkins, Richard Tice, GB News and a camp full of racists and fascists spewing vile hate, is genuinely alarming. Were that to occur ways to fight back would need to be considered. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/24/south-wales-suella-braverman-welsh-stradey-park-hotel. P.s. before anyone asks, IMO the Labour councillor mentioned in the report should be expelled form the Party if that account is correct. Yes, this depressed me greatly not least as I’m very fond of this part of the world and, economically challenged though it is, had thought it might be a bit more immune to this kind of unpleasantness. |
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Post by jen on Aug 24, 2023 20:01:10 GMT
Since you ask, the current version for a small gig is... > Korg Pitch Black Mini tuner > Digitech Freqout > Digitech Ricochet > Mooer Yellow Compressor (don't really use it so I'll dump it soon) > MXR Super Badass Distortion > MXR Carbon Copy Delay Mini > Boss GE-7 (only used if the frequency characteristics of the room make a correction necessary) > Caline Americana > Wow, thanks Jen! You’ve got a Freqout! I’ve been keen to try one of those. I found the EQ7 can be fun trying to recreate other pickups like a P90, but these days with modelling, maybe superceded for that. Like the idea of the Caline 57 deluxe sim - Have you been tempted by any of the more all-encompassing modellers, Kemper etc.? (I’ve got some older pedals, like a Mesa Boogie V-Twin, a Cream Extreme etc., and a VG99 using a GK Pickup, but am rather behind the current curve) Haha! Now you've caught my interest... Yes I've tried digital modellers like the Kemper, they don't sound that bad these days, but it's the latency that is a turn off for me. I know it's only around 3ms, and if you're jamming at home you are unlikely to notice it, but these day all medium to large stages use a digital mixer, so your monitors are already going to have twice that latency (1 x in + 1 x out), say around 5ms, and I can just about live with that. Adding the 3ms from a modeller would bring us up to approx 8ms and that, quite frankly, drives me mental. That's also why I avoid digital pedals apart from the Freqout (which merely adds a digital signal to the analogue input) and the Ricochet (which I only use on long sustained notes where exact timing is of no consequence). The Caline Americana is completely analogue and has zero latency (it's a Chinese knock-off of the Tech21 Blonde, but I prefer the Caline's EQ curves). I have a number of other analogue amp sims and quite enjoy them all. If you would like to discuss them I suggest starting another thread. I would never use a modeller to try to simulate other pickups, for various reasons it can never really work. And anyway, I have lots of guitars with lots of different pickup configurations, I would have no need, even if the sim worked. |
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Post by domjg on Aug 24, 2023 20:02:13 GMT
Briefly on other matters today: (a) I'm amazed that the Republicans in their debate managed to turn up someone even more insane than Donald Trump. Having scraped away the bottom of the barrel they are now tunneling toward the Earth's core. Ramaswamy's political 'philosophy' seems to be that if something is real and fact based declare it a hoax and if it is totally mad, then champion it as policy. (b) I can't believe so much stuff has been written on here about Brexit today. Give it a rest everyone, none of you is going to persuade the others. Rejoining the EU will be a 2030's thing, although the beginnings of realignment with the EU can start as soon as the current rabble are safely consigned to raving on the opposition benches. re Republicans. A strange arms race of crazy seems to have developed both among Rep politicians and the crazy, core republican base who are increasingly acting like followers of a cult. The silver lining is that the crazier both base and those appealing to them become the more alienated from that anyone outside oif that ever decreasing circle becomes. Hopefully they will ‘outcrazy’ each other into oblivion. On brexit. I know. I didn’t want to comment on it but the imbecilic posting on it last night drove me over the edge. Tapping away while telling myself I should rise above it.. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 24, 2023 20:07:25 GMT
The article below worries me a lot. Quite aside from the disgusting behaviour going on in Llanelli (and the Home Office), I have not far away from me, RAF Wethersfield. While I think that it is an unsuitable place to house asylum seekers and other immigrants due to its rural location and lack of transport links, the people themselves don't worry me at all. However, the idea their presence may attract Katie Hopkins, Richard Tice, GB News and a camp full of racists and fascists spewing vile hate, is genuinely alarming. Were that to occur ways to fight back would need to be considered. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/24/south-wales-suella-braverman-welsh-stradey-park-hotel. P.s. before anyone asks, IMO the Labour councillor mentioned in the report should be expelled form the Party if that account is correct. Yes, this depressed me greatly not least as I’m very fond of this part of the world and, economically challenged though it is, had thought it might be a bit more immune to this kind of unpleasantness. The problem is it doesn't take many. A few real nutters plus a larger number of dumb followers can wreck the atmosphere of a town very quickly. And "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men (and women) do nothing" as Edmund Burke apparently didn't say. |
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jen A while back you mentioned having to prep your pedalboard for a gig, and I asked what pedals you might be using. You didn’t reply but I wasn’t sure if that was because you didn’t see my post. Anyways, if you don’t want to say, that’s obviously fine, no biggie, I’m just interested in what pedals people use. Since you ask, the current version for a small gig is... > Korg Pitch Black Mini tuner > Digitech Freqout > Digitech Ricochet > Mooer Yellow Compressor (don't really use it so I'll dump it soon) > MXR Super Badass Distortion > MXR Carbon Copy Delay Mini > Boss GE-7 (only used if the frequency characteristics of the room make a correction necessary) > Caline Americana > Help!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 24, 2023 20:24:36 GMT
Yes, this depressed me greatly not least as I’m very fond of this part of the world and, economically challenged though it is, had thought it might be a bit more immune to this kind of unpleasantness. The problem is it doesn't take many. A few real nutters plus a larger number of dumb followers can wreck the atmosphere of a town very quickly. And "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men (and women) do nothing" as Edmund Burke apparently didn't say.
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Post by hireton on Aug 24, 2023 20:27:34 GMT
An interesting insight into Labour mentality on devolution from the architect of a supposed radical decentralisation policy:
Brown's comments ignore the fact that:
1. Delivering through the DWP effectively gives UK Ministers a veto on Scottish social security policies as they couls simply not agree that DWP should implement the policies on grounds of priorities etc
2. DWP would charge the Scottish Government to deliver Scottish policies.
3. The UK/DWP culture is complete at odds with the approach of the Scottish Government/SSA.
Brown supports devolution as long as it doesn't actually devolve power significantly ( he strongly opposed Labour introducing free personal care in Scotland).
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Post by neilj on Aug 24, 2023 20:35:23 GMT
If the tories can't even balance their party's finances that it's no surprise they've made a crap job if managing the country's finances
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Post by oldnat on Aug 24, 2023 20:39:33 GMT
An interesting insight into Labour mentality on devolution from the architect of a supposed radical decentralisation policy: Brown's comments ignore the fact that: 1. Delivering through the DWP effectively gives UK Ministers a veto on Scottish social security policies as they couls simply not agree that DWP should implement the policies on grounds of priorities etc 2. DWP would charge the Scottish Government to deliver Scottish policies. 3. The UK/DWP culture is complete at odds with the approach of the Scottish Government/SSA. Brown supports devolution as long as it doesn't actually devolve power significantly ( he strongly opposed Labour introducing free personal care in Scotland).
www.insider.co.uk/news/scotland-helping-prevent-britain-from-30735057
Brown's stance attitude is very reminiscent of Lord Ffoulkes -
'Lord Foulkes was in full flow, as ever, berating the evils of having a country run by two people whose names sound like fish. "The SNP are on a dangerous tack at the moment," he said. "What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the Border in a number of areas."
A clearly bemused MacKay responded with the obvious question: "Is this such a bad thing?"
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Post by oldnat on Aug 24, 2023 20:45:32 GMT
If the tories can't even balance their party's finances that it's no surprise they've made a crap job if managing the country's finances |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 24, 2023 20:46:02 GMT
Wow, thanks Jen! You’ve got a Freqout! I’ve been keen to try one of those. I found the EQ7 can be fun trying to recreate other pickups like a P90, but these days with modelling, maybe superceded for that. Like the idea of the Caline 57 deluxe sim - Have you been tempted by any of the more all-encompassing modellers, Kemper etc.? (I’ve got some older pedals, like a Mesa Boogie V-Twin, a Cream Extreme etc., and a VG99 using a GK Pickup, but am rather behind the current curve) Haha! Now you've caught my interest... Yes I've tried digital modellers like the Kemper, they don't sound that bad these days, but it's the latency that is a turn off for me. I know it's only around 3ms, and if you're jamming at home you are unlikely to notice it, but these day all medium to large stages use a digital mixer, so your monitors are already going to have twice that latency (1 x in + 1 x out), say around 5ms, and I can just about live with that. Adding the 3ms from a modeller would bring us up to approx 8ms and that, quite frankly, drives me mental. That's also why I avoid digital pedals apart from the Freqout (which merely adds a digital signal to the analogue input) and the Ricochet (which I only use on long sustained notes where exact timing is of no consequence). The Caline Americana is completely analogue and has zero latency (it's a Chinese knock-off of the Tech21 Blonde, but I prefer the Caline's EQ curves). I have a number of other analogue amp sims and quite enjoy them all. If you would like to discuss them I suggest starting another thread. I would never use a modeller to try to simulate other pickups, for various reasons it can never really work. And anyway, I have lots of guitars with lots of different pickup configurations, I would have no need, even if the sim worked. Thanks very much for your reply Jen, and have replied in the general-purpose tech-and-other-things thread ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/post/98507/thread |
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2023 20:58:04 GMT
A couple of problems with this: 1) The EU didn't want us in the single market and customs union 2) Rejoining is not inevitable, even if there is overwhelming support for it in the UK. The EU will have a say in it and I think there will be understandable suspicions on their side. Will they want risk going through Brexit again at some point further in the future? Some answers for you: 1) You are lying 2) You are wrong. The EU will simply wait for the demographic changes. They have already started. It's coming faster than you can imagine. 1) I'm not lying, though I might be mistaken. There is a difference. I seem to remember something about 'no cherry-picking' which is why I had that impression. 2) I admire your facility to accurately see the future. All I said is that Rejoining is not inevitable. What is, apart from death and taxes? |
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Post by alec on Aug 24, 2023 21:22:53 GMT
Really important issue here - www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/24/carbon-credit-speculators-could-lose-billions-as-offsets-deemed-worthless-aoeMuch of the vaunted 'green finance' revolution has revolved around developing products and systems for carbon credits, and a great deal of that effort has been a gigantic waste of time, for the climate, but very profitable for the finance sector. There are ways for carbon credits to work, but they can't really be tied to natural ecosystems, where the scientific uncertainty acts against the requirement for hard, measurable outputs that can then be turned into monetary values, with some certainty that the cash value represents a real carbon investment. I'd say that the vast majority of the offset market is a scam, more or less, although many parts of the market are well intentioned. The problem with this is the effect is has on actual carbon saving investments. I've been working on a carbon credit project which looks to deliver new renewable projects where we can guarantee real carbon savings, in the form of bonds denominated in carbon savings, rather than cash, and where every investment funds new renewable developments. We're currently stalled because we can't meet the price per tonne CO2 offered by the existing offset market, but which doesn't actually give carbon savings. The offset market is an unregulated mess, but worse, it's actually siphoning off money that should be going into physical investments in carbon reducing technologies. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2023 21:24:24 GMT
No discernible difference in everyday life, but we will no longer have rules and regulations imposed on us by Brussels. If our own government does something we don't like we can kick them out. If the EU did, we couldn't. I've put it as simply as I can for your benefit. Wrong again. I concede that in your bubble, you might not notice anything. But for most economically productive members of society the effects are massive.Furthermore, in the past, we had a say in the creation of EU rules and regulations, indeed we had a veto. Now we are de facto forced to accept them. I've put it as simply as I can for your benefit. Could you name one or two of those effects because I've not come across any or anyone in real life who has and I do know a lot of 'economically productive' people. I don't think Brexit has even been mentioned in conversation for several years. On the other point, the EU is fundamentally undemocratic because the parliament is a mere talking shop. Now we are not forced to accept anything, although it will sometimes be in our interests to do so. |
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Post by johntel on Aug 24, 2023 21:29:26 GMT
Some answers for you: 1) You are lying 2) You are wrong. The EU will simply wait for the demographic changes. They have already started. It's coming faster than you can imagine. 1) I'm not lying, though I might be mistaken. There is a difference. I seem to remember something about 'no cherry-picking' which is why I had that impression. 2) I admire your facility to accurately see the future. All I said is that Rejoining is not inevitable. What is, apart from death and taxes?“Our new Constitution is now established, everything seems to promise it will be durable; but, in this world, nothing is certain except death and taxes,” - Benjamin Franklin Trump is doing his best to prove that wrong. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2023 21:33:00 GMT
mercian - "No discernible difference in everyday life..." jen - "Wrong again." That's the Brexit somersault in a nutshell. Before we left, people like Mercian were saying it would be a revolution, and people like Jen were saying we couldn't change life much because we would still be tied to the EU. While people like Jen are now pointing to practical impacts, they may well still feel that the UK remains fixed in Europe's orbit, but the Mercian's of this world are reduced to claiming no change, and worse, that no change is a good outcome. More backflips than a Romanian gymnast. But no ribbons, and the big ball is punctured. Nuls points. I certainly never said it would be a revolution. Please stop making things up. No discernible change in everyday life is not the same thing as now having more control over the laws that are brought in. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2023 21:42:57 GMT
* Campaigned in my case. Can't speak for the other 2. I voted CON in GE'15 to hold a democratic vote (which was supported by all main parties); Leave in EURef'16; CON in GE'17 (although in fairness to Corbyn he had said Brexit was settled); then even joined CON as a member ahead of Maybot resigning to ensure I voted for the more Brexity option for CON leader; then CON in GE'19 of course. Hard of thinking types might think the process would be quicker in reverse - I dunno - give it a go and lets find out. I was a member of UKIP and campaigned in the referendum and local elections where I stood as a candidate twice. I voted Brexit in 2019 in a safe Labour seat in order to keep the pressure on Boris. The idea being that even though Mr Farage stood his party down in a lot of seats, if the Tories saw that there was still a sizable Brexit vote it would help to concentrate their minds. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 24, 2023 21:46:12 GMT
mercian - "No discernible difference in everyday life..." jen - "Wrong again." I certainly never said it would be a revolution. Please stop making things up. No discernible change in everyday life is not the same thing as now having more control over the laws that are brought in. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2023 21:46:48 GMT
mercian - "No discernible difference in everyday life..." jen - "Wrong again." That's the Brexit somersault in a nutshell. Before we left, people like Mercian were saying it would be a revolution, and people like Jen were saying we couldn't change life much because we would still be tied to the EU. While people like Jen are now pointing to practical impacts, they may well still feel that the UK remains fixed in Europe's orbit, but the Mercian's of this world are reduced to claiming no change, and worse, that no change is a good outcome. More backflips than a Romanian gymnast. But no ribbons, and the big ball is punctured. Nuls points. It's not that they even claim just 'no change' anymore. Recently some brexiters seem to have resorted to a melancholic, insipid line of 'ok it's been bad but it's not catastrophic and we can't undo it so there'.. How inspiring. That's possibly a sly reference to a post of mine where I said that Germany was in recession and we're not, so the Brexit 'catastrophe' hasn't happened. If so you've misrepresented me. If it wasn't, forget it. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 24, 2023 22:07:54 GMT
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Post by domjg on Aug 24, 2023 22:30:55 GMT
It's not that they even claim just 'no change' anymore. Recently some brexiters seem to have resorted to a melancholic, insipid line of 'ok it's been bad but it's not catastrophic and we can't undo it so there'.. How inspiring. That's possibly a sly reference to a post of mine where I said that Germany was in recession and we're not, so the Brexit 'catastrophe' hasn't happened. If so you've misrepresented me. If it wasn't, forget it. I wasn't thinking of anyone on here at all. You seem to be in the relatively positive 'no change' camp. I don't think I actually read that post |
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Post by jen on Aug 24, 2023 22:48:24 GMT
Wrong again. I concede that in your bubble, you might not notice anything. But for most economically productive members of society the effects are massive.Furthermore, in the past, we had a say in the creation of EU rules and regulations, indeed we had a veto. Now we are de facto forced to accept them. I've put it as simply as I can for your benefit. Could you name one or two of those effects because I've not come across any or anyone in real life who has and I do know a lot of 'economically productive' people. I don't think Brexit has even been mentioned in conversation for several years. On the other point, the EU is fundamentally undemocratic because the parliament is a mere talking shop. Now we are not forced to accept anything, although it will sometimes be in our interests to do so. I, and many like me, had a lot of well paid work in the EU, all gone. Thanks for that. I personally know many people who worked in the fishing industry. Most have lost their jobs. Well done. I personally know the former owner of a craft brewery. The majority of his turnover was from EU exports. All gone. He was forced to close. You must be so proud. Car industry, scientific research, music industry, film industry, manufacturing in general... just wait until it starts to bite the financial sector. The EU will gradually move all Euro clearing away from London. Don't you worry your little head about that. "the EU is fundamentally undemocratic because the parliament is a mere talking shop" hahaha! One really has to laugh! This is a fundamental problem, hardly anybody from your lot knew how the EU actually works. "Now we are not forced to accept anything" - not legally, but in reality we are forced to accept nearly everything. That's off the top of my head, I could go on for hours. But what's the point? You have made it clear you will never change your mind no matter what evidence you are confronted with, so discussion is pointless. We are all just waiting for enough of you to die to tip the scales. And to be clear, I do not wish death upon you personally, even though your lies resulted in my children being stripped of rights they were born with. But the march of biological demographics is unstoppable. Your time has come and gone. You achieved nothing but damage to the nation. That's how you will be remembered. All that remains is to hope that you fuck up the country as little as possible in the time you have left until the scales tip completely. Putin must be so pleased with you. Best bang for the buck he ever got. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 23:08:26 GMT
domjg I distinctly remember the sign on the big red bullshit bus. "Vote leave it won't be quite as crap as it could be". lol, I reckon they took inspiration from British built cars of the 1970s. There's been a similar attitude towards quality control.. Harsh! |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 24, 2023 23:20:40 GMT
First two local by-election results:
DUDLEY MBC; St James’s (Lab gain from Com)
Lab 860 (49.3%) +9.7
Con 719 (41.2%) -12.6
Ind 84 (4.8%) new
Grn 50 (2.9%) new
LD 32 (1.8%) -4.7
I have done the changes from 2021, which was the seat contested, rather than from the May 2023 result.
ISLE OF WIGHT UA; Wootton Bridge (Lib Dem gain from Vectis)
Lib Dem 475 (47.9%) New
Con 291 (29.3%) - 2.5
Vectis 178 (17.9%) -29.4
Green 48 (4.8%) - 8.7
(Balance of change was from an independent)
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Post by oldnat on Aug 24, 2023 23:23:32 GMT
I had seen numerous reports of Brown's comments - and the Morning Star's are accurate enough, though as selective as most others.
Worth considering what they quote him as saying, however, - 'Mr Brown urged politicians to ditch the “Punch and Judy show” that he said characterised Scottish and UK government relations and “work together in the interests of the people of Scotland.”'
I (and ASAIK most other folk) see it as desirable that all governments who have responsibility for conditions of people within their areas of responsibility (whether Scotland, UK or formerly EU) should work together to improve those lives. That seems a remarkably anodyne observation. Who wouldn't want every responsible government working together for the common good?
In Brown's world, that happy outcome could only be achieved in Scotland if ScotGov shares identical views and approaches to UKGov. Unfortunately, what he actually complains about is ScotGov differing from an ultra-right UKGov. In what rational universe, does he imagine that it would be in the interests of Scots for its government to go along with that Tory agenda?
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