Mr Poppy
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Post by Mr Poppy on Sept 30, 2023 15:52:17 GMT
Colin: "Eh?""Eh?" indeed. I initially assumed you had finally lost patience with an incoherent, indecipherable and tiresomely belligerent posting style, in which case congratulations on seeing what the rest of us see. But, on reflection, it seems possible that shared political views trump all and you're still sticking together. In which case the decrypted version of "Eh?" might be along the lines of, "Thanks for another typically lucid, erudite and thoughtful post, old chap, but what have your wise words got to do with me?" Or maybe your "Eh?" reflected (shared) incredulity at Walter Mitty's latest self-aggrandising claim of "having a successful career in Investment Banking." eh ?  Well one thing about 'Don't read the trolls' is that I do miss some comedy gold from some people with a complete lack of self-awareness. However in the unlikely event 'Spanish Juan' was to ever post anything even mildly interesting, rather than just trolling, then it is always worth posting their full comment as I think you might have just done. I like the use of putting the odd section in bold so that it is clear which bit of a comment is being replied to - but that is certainly not a 'rule' anyone else needs to follow. Hopefully we don't have to go back to the need to post our CVs. I'm aware some people had unsuccessful careers in Investment Banking or whatever else they did, although I don't think 'trolling' can be considered a career then some people do seem to be trying to make an unsuccessful career out of it  NB Above is an example of trolling of course but since there doesn't seem to be any moderation then 'what's good for the goose...*' and despite my repeated suggestions that people 'hide' my posts (and 'Don't read the trolls') then I note the ongoing obsession that a few people still seem to have with me - bit creepy TBH but if that is how they wish to spend their time then that is their choice of course * a saying that someone might need to translate for others perhaps |
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Post by hireton on Sept 30, 2023 15:56:46 GMT
The average traffic speed in 2022 on local urban A roads in England and Wales was 17mph.
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Post by hireton on Sept 30, 2023 15:59:35 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on Sept 30, 2023 16:16:57 GMT
The Joy of Six.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2023 16:33:06 GMT
@danny "The notional reduction in accident harm is as far as I know entirely theoretical, based on driving vehicles at dummies?" You think! I heard they tested extensively in Hastings on live people in 2019 but no one noticed... And they still never got him. |
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Post by Danny on Sept 30, 2023 16:36:51 GMT
Danny Let me know when you find a 30 mile long road with no road junctions, no traffic controls, no pedestrians and no other road users and you might be right. Of course in the real world in an urban environment it doesn't exist, even in Hastings. Well there can be many things wrong with models which are too simple. The whole response to covid was based upon over simplistic modelling, which ignored the disparity of old people dying but young people having most of the cases.
People seem to be getting over excited about this, I simply pointed out that a reduction in speed from 30 to 20 implies a 50% increase in journey time, which implies 50% more vehicles moving on the roads, which is a basic GCSE maths sort of question. As I also mentioned, I havnt seen any reference to real world data saying how much journey time is spent travelling at 30 and how much slower. From my own experience in a small town, I'd say at least half of the time is spent at speed. The normal practice on any road is to drive at the speed limit if possible. One section I sometimes use has speed bumps, so that tends to be faster/slower/faster slower, which likely averages below 20 mph, but goodness knows what it does to pollution and stuff like dust from brakes and tyres. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Sept 30, 2023 16:39:48 GMT
UK economy outperforms France and Germany
“The UK economy has performed better than France and Germany since the pandemic, revised official figures show, delivering a boost to Rishi Sunak.
Statisticians at the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the British economy is now 1.8pc larger than before Covid, whereas France has grown by 1.7pc since 2020 and Germany 0.2pc.
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The ONS revealed the British economy grew by 0.3pc in the first three months of the year, rather than 0.1pc as initially believed. It also confirmed growth of 0.2pc in the three months ending in June.
The revision suggests the UK weathered pressure from the energy crisis, high inflation and rising interest rates better than previously thought at the start of the year.”
Telegraph
(Of course, other countries may revise their figures too, in what we might call “revisionomics”)
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Post by Danny on Sept 30, 2023 16:43:47 GMT
But going at 50% faster speed only gets you there a third sooner. It's a mathematical paradox. its not at all a paradox, it does indeed depend on what is tthe starting condition, whether from the baseline you are speeding up or slowing. This is a 33% speed cut, which implies a 50% journey time increase. No indeed, but its certain journey times will increase, so the final outcome will be somewhere between 0% and 50% in both journey time and additional traffic. In different situations it could be at the extremes.A 30% journey time increase seems quite likely if this was applied in Hastings, maybe more. Middle of London, I would imagine it would be less. And obviously more traffic on the road will mean more accidents. |
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Post by Danny on Sept 30, 2023 16:44:40 GMT
A certain poster: "Not at all. Though if it comes to that I have the benefit of some of the best science education in the country, placing me in maybe the top 1%, 0.1%?" -  Yeah, and given some of the stick I get on here, it explains an awful lot about the UK. |
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Post by Danny on Sept 30, 2023 16:49:00 GMT
Oh dear indeed. How often does anyone travel 30 miles or even 10 miles at a constant speed in a 30 or 20 zone with no traffic and without frequent stops? See above, I'd estimate at least 50% of the time myself. Though one place its very likely speed will be lower is passing through a rural village which has a 30mph section on an otherwise 60 mph road. Part of the art of urban driving is to pick a road which maximises your time at the speed limit. |
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Post by johntel on Sept 30, 2023 16:50:03 GMT
Opposition to 20mph limits in urban settings seems to me to be mostly saloon bar chuntering, from exactly the people you would expect that sort of stuff. I doubt you'll find mercian in the saloon bar |
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Post by Danny on Sept 30, 2023 16:57:00 GMT
UK economy outperforms France and Germany
“ The UK economy has performed better than France and Germany since the pandemic, revised official figures show, delivering a boost to Rishi Sunak.
Statisticians at the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the British economy is now 1.8pc larger than before Covid, whereas France has grown by 1.7pc since 2020 and Germany 0.2pc. That figure will presumably not be corrected for inflation. So while it might imply tax revenue is numerically up, it also implies real spending power is down? |
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Post by neilj on Sept 30, 2023 16:59:28 GMT
NEW BOUNDARIES Seat forecast (30/09)
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Post by neilj on Sept 30, 2023 17:03:42 GMT
More tory infighting
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Post by alec on Sept 30, 2023 17:33:22 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on Sept 30, 2023 17:46:50 GMT
neilj
That feedback from the Tory activist group is a bit unfair on doorknobs I think.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Sept 30, 2023 17:53:28 GMT
UK economy outperforms France and Germany
“ The UK economy has performed better than France and Germany since the pandemic, revised official figures show, delivering a boost to Rishi Sunak.
Statisticians at the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the British economy is now 1.8pc larger than before Covid, whereas France has grown by 1.7pc since 2020 and Germany 0.2pc. That figure will presumably not be corrected for inflation. So while it might imply tax revenue is numerically up, it also implies real spending power is down? They give the real and nominal figures here: www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/quarterlynationalaccounts/apriltojune2023(no comparison between GDP at 20 or 30 mph tho’ 👎) |
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Post by johntel on Sept 30, 2023 18:53:45 GMT
It's unfortunately beginning to look like the Ukrainian offensive in Zaporizhhia is fizzling out and the contact line will be fixed for the winter, possibly much longer.
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Post by shevii on Sept 30, 2023 19:21:09 GMT
Opinium
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Labour lead down by 5 points to 10%.
• Labour: 39% (-2)
• Conservative: 29% (+3)
• Liberal Democrat: 12% (+1)
• SNP: 3% (nc)
• Plaid Cymru: 1% (nc)
• Green: 7% (nc)
• Reform UK: 7% (-1)
• Other: 2% (nc)
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Post by shevii on Sept 30, 2023 19:21:23 GMT
Very likely outlier I would think
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Post by mercian on Sept 30, 2023 19:22:16 GMT
"So we're deliberately penalising poor old folks like me who can't walk very far and haven't cycled for 50 years. Hmm, I think I might vote for someone who doesn't want to do that." On the odd occasion they are walking don't you think they would benefit from vehicles travelling slower, or don't you old fogies ever cross the road? If I see one I usually rev my engine. Great fun watching them scuttle. |
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Post by mercian on Sept 30, 2023 19:28:06 GMT
... Old style Toryism and right wing populism don't really sit easily with one another as political concepts and I suspect, accommodated as they both currently are in the monolithic British Conservative Party, something will have to give at some time. The electorate, I think, may be cottoning on to the fact that they have a governing party that, ideologically, is a bagful of incompatible contradictions. A party like that in office usually makes for a very bad and incoherent government. This is where I think the cottoning on bit is coming in. It's like the contradictions in Labour between the right-on 'woke' brigade and their socially conservative voters. Two such broad parties are bound to be like that. In effect they are ready-made coalitions. |
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Post by mercian on Sept 30, 2023 19:33:15 GMT
So we're deliberately penalising poor old folks like me who can't walk very far and haven't cycled for 50 years. Hmm, I think I might vote for someone who doesn't want to do that.Are you seriously trying to pretend you ever were? Well it only seems to have become a prominent political issue recently. It's a relatively minor issue so unless one of the parties wants to ban all petrol cars immediately or something I don't expect it will be a decisive factor in my vote. |
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Post by mercian on Sept 30, 2023 19:37:11 GMT
Interesting he predicts the need to increase the NHS workforce from 1.5 million to 2.5 million in 15 years, because of the aging population. Thats about 70,000 per year, or 5% per year. Which means a real terms budget increase of 5% per year above whatever the medical inflation rate is. I've read somewhere that the NHS is one of the biggest employers in the world. I wonder how big the workforce in this area is in roughly comparable countries such as France and Germany? |
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Post by mercian on Sept 30, 2023 19:43:50 GMT
.what did you think of my arboriculture tips? You left out the bit about having to wait 100+ years for it to regain its former size. Given the state of the NHS, not altogether a solution for any currently alive wanting to see it again. It is however possible to transplant pretty large trees with suitable equipment, this might be a helpful shortcut for a replacement? The article I read said that they wanted to keep a genetically identical tree. And of course trees are a long-term thing. That didn't used to bother people - e.g. Capability Brown and 18th century landowners planting trees that they knew they would never see mature, for the benefit of future generations. |
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Post by mercian on Sept 30, 2023 19:48:27 GMT
Trying to imagine the average gbeebies viewers conundrum when confronted by the lady who waste of skin Fox described as to put it delicately unattractive. View AttachmentPhwaor! Is that better? |
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Post by Danny on Sept 30, 2023 19:54:08 GMT
The article I read said that they wanted to keep a genetically identical tree. And of course trees are a long-term thing. That didn't used to bother people - e.g. Capability Brown and 18th century landowners planting trees that they knew they would never see mature, for the benefit of future generations. Thats all very well when the generations in question are your own descendants and you confidently predict that in 500 years time they will still rule. |
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Post by expatr on Sept 30, 2023 20:00:26 GMT
On raw numbers, mathematically for the same number of journeys, at 20mph there will be 50% more vehicles on the roads than at 30mph. Thats because each journey will take 50% longer. No. 20mph is a third (33%) slower than 30mph. Start again. I think more to the point is that when a speed limit is 30 mph people are not driving at 30 mph all the time. The relevant question is what is the average difference in speed.
Even at less busy times in urban areas there are junctions, traffic lights etc which is going to reduce average speed to no more than 20 mph anyway.
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Post by Rafwan on Sept 30, 2023 20:04:16 GMT
"So we're deliberately penalising poor old folks like me who can't walk very far and haven't cycled for 50 years. Hmm, I think I might vote for someone who doesn't want to do that." On the odd occasion they are walking don't you think they would benefit from vehicles travelling slower, or don't you old fogies ever cross the road? If I see one I usually rev my engine. Great fun watching them scuttle. Oh! So that was YOU was it, you BASTARD!!!! |
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Post by mercian on Sept 30, 2023 20:08:53 GMT
Be careful what you wish for. I wish for a separate thread for mathematical discussions about the 20mph limit - for the simple reason that it makes my head hurt if I try to work it out myself. At least it makes a change from Covid conspiracies. 😁 |
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