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Post by joeboy on May 17, 2023 0:51:13 GMT
Meanwhile across the pond... it's yet another Trump parallel world. No evident polling impact yet from the civil suit that awarded damages for sexual assault and defamation against Trump. Largely because there's almost no polling happening, despite the above. Partly that's because polling at this stage for would-be Presidential candidates is historically almost meaningless so is rarely bothered with. And partly it's because whilst no other candidate there's ever been could hope to continue after far less serious findings, there is also a general presumption that, because it's Trump, even this just won't matter. Tho one of the major reasons why polling at this stage is so useless is that traditionally candidates tend to suffer from huge recognition issues outside their home state area until the campaign properly gets going in January and suddenly everyone tunes in, whereupon candidates gain traction fast or drop out quickly. Except that doesn't apply to Trump, only to his rivals - there hasn't been an election in I think about a century where one of the hopeful nominees is also the former President. Likewise there is *some* polling history on incumbent Presidents and the kind of polling numbers that put them in a good position to win again... but none of that was ever counted with a former President in the field from the start, so again it's pretty meaningless. There's also never been an election featuring an incumbent President seeking re-election where age and mental decline were such clear issues, or so well understood. Personally I still think it comes down to whether Trump can push DeSantis out of the race before it properly starts. If he can, he's likely the Republican nominee - if he can't, then I'd expect others to quickly get involved too, and Trump will probably be toast and the party may well find someone other than DeSantis. I also think that, as it stands right now, Trump is the only GOP candidate that Biden is in with a decent chance of beating**. And that the only way Trump can win in 2024 is if he's running against Biden. It's always about him, isn't it? (** Yes I know the polls will give numbers for matchups with other candidates, but even setting aside what we know here about hypothetical polling, then comparing an incumbent President to a largely unknown figure who may not even run is meaningless) So you really think De Santis can beat Biden in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan? Good luck with that one. |
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Post by joeboy on May 17, 2023 1:25:38 GMT
Meanwhile across the pond... it's yet another Trump parallel world. No evident polling impact yet from the civil suit that awarded damages for sexual assault and defamation against Trump. Largely because there's almost no polling happening, despite the above. Partly that's because polling at this stage for would-be Presidential candidates is historically almost meaningless so is rarely bothered with. And partly it's because whilst no other candidate there's ever been could hope to continue after far less serious findings, there is also a general presumption that, because it's Trump, even this just won't matter. Tho one of the major reasons why polling at this stage is so useless is that traditionally candidates tend to suffer from huge recognition issues outside their home state area until the campaign properly gets going in January and suddenly everyone tunes in, whereupon candidates gain traction fast or drop out quickly. Except that doesn't apply to Trump, only to his rivals - there hasn't been an election in I think about a century where one of the hopeful nominees is also the former President. Likewise there is *some* polling history on incumbent Presidents and the kind of polling numbers that put them in a good position to win again... but none of that was ever counted with a former President in the field from the start, so again it's pretty meaningless. There's also never been an election featuring an incumbent President seeking re-election where age and mental decline were such clear issues, or so well understood. Personally I still think it comes down to whether Trump can push DeSantis out of the race before it properly starts. If he can, he's likely the Republican nominee - if he can't, then I'd expect others to quickly get involved too, and Trump will probably be toast and the party may well find someone other than DeSantis. I also think that, as it stands right now, Trump is the only GOP candidate that Biden is in with a decent chance of beating**. And that the only way Trump can win in 2024 is if he's running against Biden. It's always about him, isn't it? (** Yes I know the polls will give numbers for matchups with other candidates, but even setting aside what we know here about hypothetical polling, then comparing an incumbent President to a largely unknown figure who may not even run is meaningless) So you really think De Santis can beat Biden in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan? Good luck with that one. Sorry, but to explain that comment. Those three rustbelt states are now so key to an American election and a republican win .For De Santis to win without them he would need to win Arizona, New Mexico, Colarado, Nevada and Georgia and not lose any states, and if anyone thinks North Carolina particularly, and maybe even West Virginia are safe for a hispanic against a good ould working class boy than they're living in a parallel universe. The way the American map is developing, maybe Trump is the only Republican who can win! |
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Post by neilj on May 17, 2023 5:25:32 GMT
Makes a good point about Braverman
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Post by steve on May 17, 2023 5:48:33 GMT
eor Personally I expect the sex offender's other crimes will undermine his chance of election as it's entirely possible he could be in federal custody* Interesting to see what's actually happening in U.S. elections. In Jacksonville Florida a remarkable win for the democratic candidate for mayor Donna Deegan Jacksonville has returned Republican mayors for thirty years and despite being outspent by millions she won with a 52:48 margin. Deegan becomes the first woman to win the mayoral race ever and takes Jacksonville, population around 1 million , the largest city in the U.S. controlled by republicans. The mayor of Jacksonville has exceptionally extensive powers and it's a significant gain in a state won by DeSantis with a 20% margin. youtu.be/Qe_3oPZ8pUU* Sadly I doubt the serial offender will see the inside of a cell that he richly deserves given the logistics issues ( where would you put his secret service detail) so it will be some form of house arrest
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Post by hireton on May 17, 2023 6:29:07 GMT
One measure of the trajectory which the Tory Party is on:
And a reminder that Danny Kruger was Cameron's speechwriter in 2014.
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Post by alec on May 17, 2023 6:39:15 GMT
eor - understand your reasoning, and apologies if I sounded a bit harsh. I do think that in general, there is a determined effort to ignore some very obvious data, although I appreciate the point you were making and your reasonings behind it. Meanwhile, a review conforming fears that post covid reactivation of latent TB is a live issue - journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0277807 It's unlikely to be a major problem here, but in many poorer countries this could be very serious over time. Every day brings more and more data that rings very loud alarm bells. The longer we opt to ignore the data, the greater the long term health crisis we will face on a global scale. We saw what labour shortages did to the economy post lockdowns, and we're heading back to that situation again through sickness, but this time on a more or less permanent basis. Covid infection is not inevitable, but we need to act coherently and consistently to prevent it.
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Post by hireton on May 17, 2023 6:42:56 GMT
The story of Teeside Freeport will be one to watch and is unlikely to be good new for the Tories:
If the NAO does investigate there is already some institutional history:
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Post by EmCat on May 17, 2023 6:52:41 GMT
Makes a good point about Braverman 14% approve of Braverman, and 12% approve of Badenoch. In their view, that represents nailed on support. To win, they merely need to convince some of the "don't know" (33% for Braverman, a whopping 57% for Badenoch) that they are better than the alternative. Under FPTP, they could scrape through with around 20% of those unsure opting for them. Those thinking that on those scores, they cannot win, are still, I believe, being too complacent. The whole NatCon group are not interested in fairness, but only in leveraging any advantage to prevent opponents from even being given the opportunity to oppose them. Being popular is, for then, a nice to have rather than a must have. |
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Post by domjg on May 17, 2023 7:04:01 GMT
I've seen a number of individual tweets from the NatCon fascistfest, but reading lots of them from this twitter feed is really scary. I'm acquainted with a number of SCon folk and, in the main, they are perfectly decent people with whom I just have political disagreements.
What concerns me is that some of them might "have some sympathy" with "some of their ideas" and be prepared to go along with that agenda - albeit with reservations, since it resonates with some of their existing prejudices.twitter.com/NatConTalk Kate Forbes also seemed to have some ideas not at odds with them and she was up for the leadership of the SNP! World's gone mad basically. |
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Post by hireton on May 17, 2023 7:04:09 GMT
Surely they just need to believe in Brexit more:
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Post by Danny on May 17, 2023 7:07:11 GMT
Its extraordinary how every day the news throws up more bad economic news caused by the government.
Today's special is the car industry, where major companies are today meeting the government to ask them to renegotiate the brexit terms. The difficulty is that their products from the Uk are soon going to attract import tax to the EU. This is because too much of them is made outside the EU. In paticular recent rises in costs of raw materials have supposedly tipped them over the edge. But this is rooted in the original dispersed car industry across the EU, which relied on different elements from different countries being brought together. If you can no longer do this in Britain with EU parts without extra costs from import taxes, then the industry becomes uneconomic.
As I said yesterday, british car workers voted for leaving the EU because they did not believe this would end their jobs. Thats about as big a lie they were told by leave as you could imagine.
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Post by Danny on May 17, 2023 7:13:44 GMT
An interesting observation on bird flu, which however is relevant for covid.
There was a scare that two workers had caught bird flu from captive birds because they tested positive. However it now transpires that although they did indeed test positive from swab tests, presumably just like the tests used for covid, they did not have bird flu.
The explanation is they had breathed in flu virus from the bird, so it was in their noses etc, but it could not infect them.
The implication is obvious. Anyone actually immune to covid could still breathe it in and test positive, even though they weren't. Its a nice example of what was known, the incidence of false positives from testing. A medic in a hospital with covid patients could be immune to the virus but breathe it in from patients, be regularly tested and so sent home on a false positive. Massive loss of medical staff who werent really ill. An epidemic caused by testing.
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Post by Danny on May 17, 2023 7:29:28 GMT
Story mentioned again today, the rental homes crisis.
Government plans to abolish no fault eviction from rented homes. This totally misses the point that the Thatcher administration created no fault eviction tenancies especially to encourage more people to become landlords in investment properties. If property is to be viewed as an investment, then you must be able to freely buy and sell it, which you very likely cannot do with a sitting tenant. Or you may wish to dump a tenant you do not like to install one you do. That isnt daft, its very important to have a tenant you can trust so if a situation arises where one is interested, you might well want them in. A reliable tenant is also important for profitability, because many tenants dont stay more than a year, which means a vacancy and other costs changing tenant. A managing agent will easily soak up 10% of your rental income, and a tenant swap another 10%. Significant savings if you can avoid both.
The reasons for proposing this seem to be tenants complaining landlords are evicting them largely to hike the rent. Or indeed because they dont like them. Well of course, landlords are using their rights to hike rents. Thats the point of a private rented homes sector, its meant to make money for landlords. Thatcher and co. also abolished fair rents and various rent controls so that landlords were free to charge market rents not controlled ones. This government is attacking this plank of the private rented sector too, discouraging people from becoming landlords.
Behind all this is the soaring cost of housing because of the supply being smaller than the demand. Rents are rising steadily ahead of prices as the shortage of rental homes increases compared to the shortage of homes in general.
Thatcher abolished state housing, or tried to and to a large extent succeeded. But the other reforms were to ensure a profitable private sector which would provided rented homes. So this government is now proposing to attack the private sector without restoring the public sector. Its a disaster about to happen and it should just be getting ripe just after the next election. another booby trap for labour.
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Post by steve on May 17, 2023 7:31:15 GMT
On the subject of bat shit insane lying the NatC's still have some way to go to match the industrial grade bollocks from across the pond. The sex offender managed 139 lies in his town hall a rate of 1 every 15 seconds he spoke. youtu.be/NPwctdqHQjI |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on May 17, 2023 7:50:22 GMT
Hi joeboy , my understanding was that the parliamentary committees were staffed by clerks of the parliament who are not members of the civil service. Independence of parliament and all that. That's true about the Clerks. To clarify, I attended quite a few committee session with Minister's or senior officials from my department. To be honest I can't remember anyone ever taking an oath, so it's not normal to do so in my experience. I'd imagine lying under oath to a parliamentary committee amounted to perjury, but I've no idea if anyone has ever been charged with the offence. |
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Post by Danny on May 17, 2023 8:05:07 GMT
eor - On sick leave, I really don't buy that argument about some kind of shift in attitudes. To me this smacks of honing in on one small detail, and producing a plausible sounding reason for some of it, while ignoring the bloody great elephant breathing down your neck. Very like the arguments on some kind of lockdown inspired culture change leading to children being less bothered about going to school. Everyone goes silent when I point out countries without lockdowns are also experiencing high student absence once there is widespread covid, and again when I point out that teacher sickness is also at record levels. Duh, government spent two years telling people covid was horribly dangerous and people must avoid spreading it at all costs. You are still doing that! you are telling all of us on here not to spread covid. Its obvious people will have changed their behaviour and so take more time off sick because you are saying that is the morally correct thing to do. Although we have evidence now that government took measures and made statement not supported by medical advice or facts, no one is yet admitting they exaggerated the risks of covid. least of all yourself, so how can you not accept this has not impacted time off? Then we get to whether kids are now less likely to attend school. Schools vary immensely. When we had grammars and secondary moderns it was probably easier to identify which school would have well motivated kids attending well, the grammars. Now they are all called comprehensives, so you have to examine them one by one as to whether they are LA run, or trusts, or church, and what sort of catchment areas they have to ascertain their likely attendance rates. There are still schools with well motivated kids and schools which simply consider their role is to avoid anyone getting killed. Similarly during covid some schools got their act together and provided online learning. Some totally failed. Kids spent a year without schooling. Th advice changed from you must send your kids to school always because even a day lost will impact their future, to stay home if at all ill. While the observed reality was that missing a year of schooling didnt actually make much difference to anything. Its impossible to believe that a couple of years spent discouraging people attending school if ill would not make a permanent shift in both more staying away with the slightest illness, and others using this as an excuse to do so. Thats before we even get to whether lockdown has changed patterns of illness so there are more ill. It seems a lot more likely we simply changed the psychology away from soldiering on if ill, and of course made truanting easier. So you accept rises in sickness absence were underway before covid? I had a look at the ONS data yyou linked, which said days lost to long term illness amongst employees had been falling steadily from 1995 to 2010. The fall then slowed, flattened out and started rising again strongly in the year 20-21. Now, even on the definition of long term sick as no more than ! year duration, for it to be rising in 20-21 then it has to have started before 20-21. It cannot have been covid as the cause during 2020 (unless you believe covid arrive 2019?) Ah but it doesnt prove it. Consistent with isnt proof. There has been a big downturn in GDP as a result of covid interventions, and it is well known poverty causes illness. Surely this too correlates perfectly with a rise of illness during this time? One person interviewed yesterday explained that previously they had been able to get timely interventions for their medical condition, but covid lockdowns meant that was impossible and so this person was off sick. It wasnt covid but the collapse of services, which is a function in part of covid disruption no doubt, but that is not because of illness. It IS because of the shortage of medical resources. To fix it we just need to epand the NHS. /photo/1 Now thats interesting, it seems approximately the same dta as the ONS link you provided before, but with much finer data than year by year, and its shows absences rising up until approx the election of the labour government in 97. Wheras the link data shows no change in 97 (scales below arbitrary but covers 1995-2022). Curious.[/div] But it cannot explode in terms of LONG TERM SICKNESS the moment covid arrived. Not unless covid only affected people who were already sick? Are you accepting covid was only ever a threat to those already ill? Or, as I said, this is evidence covid began in 2019? |
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Post by alec on May 17, 2023 8:20:35 GMT
Danny - it depends how long the doc signs you off. Long term sickness can be classified well before a year has past. Up to mid/end 2020, long term sickness was doing a normal wobble, and then, yes, it exploded because of covid. It's just childish to pretend anything else.
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on May 17, 2023 8:27:32 GMT
One measure of the trajectory which the Tory Party is on: And a reminder that Danny Kruger was Cameron's speechwriter in 2014. , t his is really highlighting the double standards in how the media covers the left and right. The Labour party was accused of being radical and hard left for advocating in 2016-19, a policy framework which was essentially mainstream European Social Demonocracy. A Tory party in power, has members of its cabinet attending a hard right conference advocating policy platforms which have long been viewed as extreme, and it barely registers in the media or commentary.
I tend to agree that we should not be complacent about this, or convince ourselves 'that it couldn't happen here'. There are some very powerful influential actors who are trying to make it happen here. The establishment of GB news etc is a thinly veiled attempt to implant the Fox news model, which has driven the divisions in US politics and helped create a separate news agenda and narrative that is driven by hate/anger/fear/rage and devoid of any attempt at objectivity and impartiality. Its a model where commercial interests and profit also become based on the perpetuation of this model (which can already be seen in aspects of the media in the UK such as The Mail and the Telegraph), as illustrated by the recent case against Fox News.
While the religious right is not a significant factor in the UK currently, that doesn't mean elements of their programme won't find fertile ground in the UK. The speed with which the cause and rights of trans people are being reversed is quite shocking. With Johnson for the moment discredited, they do currently lack a genuinely popular leader like Trump, but one could emerge. A lot of people in the centre and on the left were not really appreciative of the depth and shifts in opinion and feeling in the country (UK-but particularly England and Wales) that had occurred prior to the EU ref, and were blindsided by the result. As long as powerful people with resources back them and their opponents under-estimate them they will remain a threat. |
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Post by Danny on May 17, 2023 8:29:54 GMT
Danny - it depends how long the doc signs you off. Long term sickness can be classified well before a year has past. Up to mid/end 2020, long term sickness was doing a normal wobble, and then, yes, it exploded because of covid. It's just childish to pretend anything else. Its clear the tweet shows an essentially linear rise in illness absence, but it starts in 2019. Either that is not due to covid, or covid began in 2019. No doctor will sign you off sick for a year without some history suggesting you will need that length of time. |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 17, 2023 8:43:44 GMT
One measure of the trajectory which the Tory Party is on: And a reminder that Danny Kruger was Cameron's speechwriter in 2014. And it continues - today we have Lord Frost and 30p Lee Anderson. A true parade of grotesques. |
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Post by Danny on May 17, 2023 8:54:33 GMT
I saw something about a controversy about SATS in English schools. Are these tests common to all pupils of a certain age (which seems rather a foolish idea) as opposed to teachers setting an appropriate test to confirm their estimate that an individual child has secured competence at the level of performance they were aiming for? There was a story kids were being traumatised by taking sats tests. Just as we recently had a story about heads being traumatised by ofsted tests. We could just make all tests illegal within the UK. I mean, brexit would allow us to do that? |
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Post by Danny on May 17, 2023 9:08:06 GMT
Oh and another story yesterday was about connecting your new wind turbine farm to the national electricity grid. The short answer to the interview, was that the waiting list for a new project of significant size to get connected to the grid is ten years.
The planning process currently can take several years. The actual construction process might only take one year.
The national grid is run by a private company which has no interest in pro actively enlarging the grid at its own expense to cater for changes in generating patterns, the need to handle more power as we stop using gas directly for heating, or to change the delivery pattern, eg on street charging.
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Post by alec on May 17, 2023 9:36:34 GMT
Danny - yes, and look at the wobbling in the period prior to that. So, a little upwards wobble before the impact of covid really starts to bite. Here's some more data for you that illustrates the lie that this is all about mental health awareness or bad backs from home working. Looking at ONS full year data (so not yet covering the last quarter) the proportion of days lost which were caused by 'musculoskeletal problems', which includes back and neck pain, averaged 23.8% for the decade up to 2019, generally falling through that period. In 2020 and 2021, when lots of people were working from home, this % fell to 17.7% and 15.6% respectively, and then in 2022, it reached a record low of 12.2%, nearly half the pre-pandemic ten year average. Days lost from this cause also show a big decline. Yet people are trying to claim the rise in sickness is due to back backs from working from home? It's a similar picture for mental health. 11.8% of days lost for the preceding 10 years were due to mental health, rising slightly at first, and then peaking at 14.8% in 2019, suggesting a possible sharper rise. Since then, it has fallen back and in 2022 was 10.0%, well down on the pre pandemic long term average and back to levels last seen in 2009. Actual days lost again show a fall from the pre pandemic peak. Yet people are trying to claim the rise in sickness is due to increased awareness of mental health? So what has caused the big increases in sick leave? The two biggest factors have been respiratory conditions (8.7% of 2022 days lost, more than double the 4.0% of the pre pandemic ten year average, with a clear rise since 2019) and the 'other' category, which includes infectious diseases, which was 25.9% compared to the long term average of 15.0%. This time, the change in the absolute numbers of days lost are even more dramatic, with three times the number of days lost to respiratory conditions in 2022 compared to the 10 year average and 2.5 times in the other category. So the data is abundantly clear; 2022 saw a dramatic rise in those categories of illness where we would expect covid to be an issue, and a reduction in the categories flagged up by the ONS as being possible explanations. I'm surprised a professional conspiracy theorist like Danny is so gullible when it comes to covid data, and the way the government is spinning it. A child could see through these myths.
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Post by steve on May 17, 2023 10:00:41 GMT
Remember the dim and distant past of 2018 "Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, David Davis, said: The UK’s automotive sector is one of the most productive in the world and we want to see it go from strength to strength. As the UK exits the EU, we are determined that our country remains a great place to invest and to do business. We want the best deal for trade in UK goods and services, including for our important automotive sector. Industry Minister, Nick Hurd, said: The UK automotive sector has had a remarkable year - exporting over a million cars around the world. This is thanks to our highly-skilled workforce and long-term investment in new technology and innovation, including the recent £390 million investment in electric and driverless cars " at Autumn Statement. Our upcoming industrial strategy will build on this work further, by creating an environment where the auto sector can maintain its competitiveness, while upgrading productivity and creating high skilled jobs. " Well that particular Brexit bollocks hasn't aged well. www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/17/vauxhall-maker-says-brexit-deal-must-be-renegotiated-or-it-could-shut-uk-plantIncidentally they were warned at the time From the same meeting with car manufacturers in 2018 "SMMT Chief Executive, Mike Hawes, said: Today’s discussions were a good opportunity to meet with government to reinforce the success and importance of UK Automotive, and to highlight the specific priorities for our sector when leaving the European Union. Being part of the single market has helped make the UK automotive sector amongst the most competitive in the world and a critical part of the UK economy. It is essential that we maintain those benefits and we will work with government and our partners in Europe to ensure the global success of our sector continues in the future." Brexitanians unfailingly on the wrong side of reality. |
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Post by Danny on May 17, 2023 10:10:41 GMT
Danny - yes, and look at the wobbling in the period prior to that. So, a little upwards wobble before the impact of covid really starts to bite. But we are talking about long term illness, for which 'more or less' talked about figures for three years to qualify, and said the rise began befiore covid. However, even if we take this as one year, then it is impossible for someone to be off sick for more than a year from covid, if the covid epidemic began spring 2020. There are a couple of possible ways it might work. One is if covid really began in 2019, which it did, but you refuse to accept this. The other is if it is affecting people who are already sick-and again we know for certain covid was only statistically dangerous for people already unhealthy (possibly because of existing illness, existing risk factors or simply old age). So if these long term sick are people who were already off sick and then got covid on top, that might explain why numbers increased. But this is still demonstrating covid is dangerous for sick and old people, not the mass of the population. never was. The mass should never have been locked down.
I see however you are now talking about a different statistic, total days lost to certain causes.
Indeed they are. and presumably that is because the question asked was what is causing the increase in long term sick on the very latest data. It doesnt surprise me if workers were sent home during covid and so were not involved in manual work causing back injuries, so incidence dropped. But now they have been back to work for long enough that the 1 year sick is including people with bad backs again. Thats a consequence of going back to work, probaby after a long time off in which their muscles deteriorated, so more prone to injury when they did. Again, its what changed on the most recent figures. I do not believe the spokespeople simply lied, they placed backs and mental health as top two causes. Again I can see how people with mental health difficulties would have had a lower stress time off work, but have now returned to work for long enough to become long term sick again. This doesnt necessarily imply they were really better during covid, just that since they didnt need to go to work then they didnt get the stress. But again, you replied to a debate which began about long term sick, to talk about short term sick. Its likely the two have different explanations. for example, its often dead easy to take a day off self reporting as sick, much harder to become log term sick that way. So more people are self reporting with respiratory disease? No surprise! What is a good excuse to use now for malingering? Covid! Whats a good reason to honestly err on the side of caution and so take more time off work than you would have done in 2019? You might have Covid! Neither one though really means people are more sick than before, just doing less work. lots of people have found they rather like spending more time at home! i think you just said the category 'other' has gone up and that is where wierd effects from covid might get categorised. But thats merely to say this is possible, not to prove any real effect. i have conclusively demonstrated it is possible i had covid in 2019, in fact I have proven it beyond reasonable doubt. Yet you still dont accept I did. However you insist on arguing that because covid might be contributing in this category then it definitely is the cause. Thats rather a double standard on evidence of covid! |
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Post by leftieliberal on May 17, 2023 10:12:37 GMT
I find it rather provide silly for this site to provide a seats projection for each and every poll. It's just political clickbait; let's not encourage them. |
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Post by pjw1961 on May 17, 2023 10:14:33 GMT
An interesting perspective yes, but a little self-serving. Its key aim seems to be to contrast liberals and socialists following unproven universalist theories and ideologies while conservatives are pragmatic and 'trust the people'. That ignores Thatcher consciously embracing and imposing the neo-liberal ideology of Milton Friedman and others - nothing pragmatic going on there, she had a definite agenda she wished to bring about. And Brexit was an article of faith not a pragmatic policy. However, the immediate issue is that speakers at the NatCon gathering have to be judged on their words and there has been a huge airing of bogus conspiracy theories and far right tropes. Is this something you think the Conservative Party should be associating itself with Colin? |
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