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Post by domjg on May 16, 2023 15:51:37 GMT
US billionaires who do not believe in a free, liberal America. Yes, of course they're in cahoots. These people would abandon Ukraine if they could which is why it's so important the war is won beyond reasonable doubt before there's a chance the orange monster gets back in. I think you're being "billionairist". They're not all the same, just as no group is all the same. Quite a few support the Democrat Party www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2019/11/18/here-are-the-billionaires-funding-the-democratic-presidential-candidates-as-of-september-2019/Although of course I don't know whether you count Democrats as 'liberal'. Alternatively I suppose you'll say that they are buying the Democrats. Some people just can't win. I think I'll start a Billionaire Defence League 😁 "I think I'll start a Billionaire Defence League" - I think you should ask for a hefty subscription fee  |
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Post by thylacine on May 16, 2023 15:53:28 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on May 16, 2023 15:59:39 GMT
Given the National Conservative Statement of Principles was drafted in America my assumption is that the Republicans are planning to invade and occupy California. "those states or subdivisions in which law and justice have been manifestly corrupted, or in which lawlessness, immorality, and dissolution reign" - Sounds like he could be talking of Orban's Hungary, to an extent Poland under Pis, Erdogan's Turkey, De Dantis's Florida or to a less extent post brexit Britain. In short they are describing the effect they themselves and their like have on government and society. What is really insidious about the whole thing is that democracy depends on having a series of parties who may disagree on things but nevertheless accept each other's right to exist and who, should they lose an election, will accept another party's rule as legitimate. These characters are defining "the left", by which they seem to mean anyone who doesn't agree with them, as an existential threat to civilisation. If you believe that, they clearly "the left" cannot be compromised with or accepted as in anyway legitimate, which in turn means that it is perfectly proper for NatC's to seek to keep them out of power by any means available and ultimately imprison them as criminals. In short, it is a fundamentally anti-democratic movement. Which gets back to the point - what are Conservative MPs doing there and what is Sunak going to do about it? |
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Post by alec on May 16, 2023 16:04:39 GMT
mercian - "If so, name a lefty who's patriotic so I can think about it." Sometimes, you can be completely thick. ALL the lefty's are patriotic. That's the point, for the slow and dim witted amongst us.
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Post by steve on May 16, 2023 16:05:27 GMT
"Been checking this - and the previous iteration for some years - but have just realised that not only is it okay to post any old rubbish but it’s free!"
There on to us make for the hills I'll create a diversion by throwing jib's crayons into the pond!
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Post by jimjam on May 16, 2023 16:05:55 GMT
Maybe we gained 4 seats and the Tories lost 7 (2019 base) by appealing to devil worshippers and their ilk!
Edit - the Greens gained 5 so perhaps they appealed to the Satanists even more?
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Post by jimjam on May 16, 2023 16:07:39 GMT
Latest R&W Red Wall.
Swing 16% since GE, a little in the high side but within moe of the national swing on Monday.
''Labour leads by 23% in the Red Wall, the largest lead for Labour in these seats since 19 February.
Red Wall VI (14 May):
Labour 52% (+4)
Conservative 29% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 7% (-1)
Reform UK 7% (+1)
Green 4% (-1)
Other 1% (-2)
Changes +/- 30 April
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wal… pic.twitter.com/LDbRiqQlgy
16/05/2023, 17:00''
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Post by steve on May 16, 2023 16:07:42 GMT
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Post by steve on May 16, 2023 16:11:09 GMT
And for those who don't consider Starmer left wing here's a surprising candidate for the flag shagging awards. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by shevii on May 16, 2023 16:24:53 GMT
Stats for Lefties 🏳️⚧️
@leftiestats
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59m
🚨 NEW: Labour lead drop to just 11pts (-3)
🔴 LAB 42% (-2)
🔵 CON 31% (+1)
🟠 LD 13% (+3)
🟢 GRN 5% (-1)
🟣 REF 5% (-)
🟡 SNP 3% (-)
Labour majority of 34 seats.
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Post by shevii on May 16, 2023 16:26:35 GMT
More in common were pretty much on the low side when they did their first poll so maybe not as extreme as it looks (for them).
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Post by pjw1961 on May 16, 2023 16:32:11 GMT
More in common were pretty much on the low side when they did their first poll so maybe not as extreme as it looks (for them). So is that their second ever poll? I didn't recognise the name in a polling context. |
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Post by leftieliberal on May 16, 2023 16:40:45 GMT
More in common were pretty much on the low side when they did their first poll so maybe not as extreme as it looks (for them). We really need more time to see what their house effects are; so far the two polls that they have run themselves is a small sample. They did use Kantar Public at one time for polling but seem to have set up their own operation now, though at around one poll per month they won't have much effect on the overall picture. |
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Post by shevii on May 16, 2023 16:54:54 GMT
So is that their second ever poll? I didn't recognise the name in a polling context. Yep- both polls are on the Wiki page and previous one was a Lab Lead of 14 same time in April about the time the polls were narrowing but definitely on the low Lab lead even then. |
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Post by neilj on May 16, 2023 16:55:24 GMT
Latest R&W Red Wall. Swing 16% since GE, a little in the high side but within moe of the national swing on Monday. ''Labour leads by 23% in the Red Wall, the largest lead for Labour in these seats since 19 February. Red Wall VI (14 May): Labour 52% (+4) Conservative 29% (-1) Liberal Democrat 7% (-1) Reform UK 7% (+1) Green 4% (-1) Other 1% (-2) Changes +/- 30 April redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wal… pic.twitter.com/LDbRiqQlgy 16/05/2023, 17:00'' Yes but when the North realise the enormity of the Pagan threat they will come back to the tories 😀 |
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Post by neilj on May 16, 2023 17:08:46 GMT
Savanta
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Post by pjw1961 on May 16, 2023 17:23:04 GMT
The one and only local government by-election this week happens to be on a Wednesday for some reason - so here are the facts:
STROUD DC; Painswick & Upton (Con resigned)
Candidates:
LUFF, Gary Alan (Green)
PATHAK-SEN, Ela (Labour)
SAVAGE, Roz (Liberal Democrat)
WILLIAMS, Sue (Conservative)
2021: Con 1408, 1279, 1279; Grn 1128, 1128; Lab 785
Therefore if it follows the recent local election trend looks a potential Green gain.
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Post by leftieliberal on May 16, 2023 17:29:10 GMT
Yes but when the North realise the enormity of the Pagan threat they will come back to the tories 😀 Everyone knows that the Pagans are in the Scottish Isles (as in The Wicker Man). |
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Post by mercian on May 16, 2023 17:42:10 GMT
mercian - "If so, name a lefty who's patriotic so I can think about it." Sometimes, you can be completely thick. ALL the lefty's are patriotic. That's the point, for the slow and dim witted amongst us. 🤣 |
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Post by thylacine on May 16, 2023 17:49:47 GMT
Yes but when the North realise the enormity of the Pagan threat they will come back to the tories 😀 Everyone knows that the Pagans are in the Scottish Isles (as in The Wicker Man). Them Tories have been smoking whacky Baccy it seems. Maybe they need a trip to Glastonbury and a wake up call for King Arthur to deal with these immoral pagans . |
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Post by James E on May 16, 2023 18:12:58 GMT
Stats for Lefties 🏳️⚧️ @leftiestats · 59m 🚨 NEW: Labour lead drop to just 11pts (-3) 🔴 LAB 42% (-2) 🔵 CON 31% (+1) 🟠 LD 13% (+3) 🟢 GRN 5% (-1) 🟣 REF 5% (-) 🟡 SNP 3% (-) Labour majority of 34 seats. Via @moreincommon_ , 12-15 May (+/- vs 6-11 Apr) I find it rather silly for this site to provide a seats projection for each and every poll. Yesterday's 45/29 Deltapoll was projected by them as a 146 seat majority, so today's Savanta (@46/29) will presumably be even higher, but for now their most recent projection is a majority of 34. Electoral Calculus - using the same 'moreincommon' figures of 42/31 shows a majority of 92, rising to 146 with tactical voting. |
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Post by oldnat on May 16, 2023 18:33:10 GMT
Gives him something else in common with Barney Crockett (former SLab Provost of Aberdeen), whom denizens of the old UKPR1 will remember regularly used to regale us with his belief that the UK Union would expand to incorporate various (unidentified) territories.
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Post by hireton on May 16, 2023 18:37:40 GMT
Lakeland Lass and pjw1961"The last trans person to appear on Question Time was India Willoughby in February. She described the experience as "a lynch mob"" India Willoughby is currently under police protection following a crediblexdeath threat from a far right organisation.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 18:46:15 GMT
Perhaps if Scotland was renamed “Northern England” and Wales became “Western England” (British Isles = English Isles of course) then maybe we would all feel more united as a single nation. Watched an old clip of Kennedy giving Churchill an award in a tv documentary last night and he referred to the UK as “England” anyway.
(Northern Ireland can - obviously - become part of Eire, whether they like it or not.)
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Post by hireton on May 16, 2023 18:50:42 GMT
The leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats stating the pure British nationalist line that Scotland is a nation that cannot and should not ever exist again:
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Post by pjw1961 on May 16, 2023 18:54:45 GMT
Perhaps if Scotland was renamed “Northern England” and Wales became “Western England” (British Isles = English Isles of course) then maybe we would all feel more united as a single nation. Watched an old clip of Kennedy giving Churchill an award in a tv documentary last night and he referred to the UK as “England” anyway. (Northern Ireland can - obviously - become part of Eire, whether they like it or not.) Been there, done that. After the Union between England (and Wales) and Scotland there was a brief fashion for referring to Scotland as "North Britain" - hence for example the 'Scots Grays' cavalry regiment's official name of the Royal North British Dragoons in the 1700s. When the English entirely failed to reciprocate by calling their territory "South Britain" the Scots very sensibly buried the notion, never to be mentioned again. |
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Post by graham on May 16, 2023 19:03:39 GMT
A rather grisly story breaking on BBC. At least it shows some public admission that atrocities were committed by forces supporting the Allies.
'French Resistance man breaks silence over German prisoners executed in 1944.'
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on May 16, 2023 19:26:00 GMT
Question for the legally minded on here - of the many denials made by people who used to edit national papers about having knowledge of phone-hacking, have any actually been under oath? Wondering specifically about testimony to parliamentary committees, does that potentially attract perjury charges if a witness were later found to have been deliberately untruthful? I think they have to take an oath first before perjury becomes an issue. My experience as a civil servant of parliamentary committees was that an oath was very rarely taken. That said, I think they insisted Boris take an oath before his evidence on Partygate, which could then leave him open to a perjury charge if he was found to have lied. I'm happy to be corrected on this if I'm talking rubbish! , my understanding was that the parliamentary committees were staffed by clerks of the parliament who are not members of the civil service. Independence of parliament and all that. |
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Post by oldnat on May 16, 2023 19:34:35 GMT
Perhaps if Scotland was renamed “Northern England” and Wales became “Western England” (British Isles = English Isles of course) then maybe we would all feel more united as a single nation. Watched an old clip of Kennedy giving Churchill an award in a tv documentary last night and he referred to the UK as “England” anyway. (Northern Ireland can - obviously - become part of Eire, whether they like it or not.) Been there, done that. After the Union between England (and Wales) and Scotland there was a brief fashion for referring to Scotland as "North Britain" - hence for example the 'Scots Grays' cavalry regiment's official name of the Royal North British Dragoons in the 1700s. When the English entirely failed to reciprocate by calling their territory "South Britain" the Scots very sensibly buried the notion, never to be mentioned again. |
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Post by eor on May 16, 2023 19:37:56 GMT
All very consistent with widespread covid induced sickness, as the data keeps telling us. - on the increase in short-term sickness, I'm not sure what the ONS data actually is telling us. Yes if everything else were like for like then a 12% increase would be curious. But there are two significant factors when comparing to pre-covid times - some cultural shift from "if you didn't at least try to struggle in then you were probably skiving" to "don't bring your germs in here", and also four years of often exponential growth in mental health awareness and understanding. Going to be a lot of people (men in particular) who now realise there's colleague understanding and employer support for their issues. Impossible to quantify either effect of course, but I'm not sure a 12% increase feels particularly wild? |
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