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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 14, 2023 13:47:30 GMT
colin - there's a mass of evidence on WFH that suggests it's more productive, some that argues the reverse. There is also an absolutely enormous lobbying effort from real estate corporations going on in the media and political circles to convince us that WFH is bad. I find it a quite astonishing (no, not really, we all know how poor the media is) how some of these laughably poor stories emanating from commercial property lobby groups have been uncritically regurgitated in the press. In general, workers seem more satisfied with an element at least of WFH, and seem to self report higher productivity, whereas companies tend more to claim it's less productive (although many believe they gain significantly from offering flexibility). The companies that claim reduced productivity tend to be the ones that demand a greater corporate identity, are more interested in controlling employees, demand longer working hours etc. I inherently don't personally like that general state of mind within corporations, and I suspect there is an element of small 'p' political preference here. I find it very hard to imagine individual workers would find it more productive to travel for 2 -3 hours a day into an office every working day, and I think being able to work from home is clearly potentially far more productive on a personal level, depending on your home circumstances. Saving 2.5 hours travel time for 3 days a week gives an individual an extra 45 working days per year free time, so arguing this is less productive on a personal basis is, I think, pretty hard. But I can accept that WFH needs some coordination and management, and is not completely risk free for employers. My guess is that companies that are more hierarchical in their set up and which saw WFH as a sticking plaster for the pandemic probably didn't embrace the benefits of WFH and make the necessary adjustments willingly, and are now finding it difficult, whereas those that saw the wider potential probably spend more time and effort to realign management systems to take advantage of the change and mitigate the downsides. But whatever the truth, those commercial property companies will keep relentlessly banging the drum about how everyone has to flood into busy and unhealthy open plan offices every working day or the world will end. It is similar to the way that the South Cambridgeshire DC experiment with a 4 day working week has produced clear and independently verified productivity gains but prompted demands from Government ministers that they cease it at once, despite the fact this will make the Council less efficient. There seems to be something of a culture in this country that work isn't work unless people are suffering and miserable doing it. I hope the Council stick to their guns and tell the minister to mind his own business. www.scambs.gov.uk/your-council-and-democracy/four-day-working-week-trial/www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/01/minister-orders-halt-to-cambridgeshire-councils-four-day-week-trial |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 14, 2023 13:50:33 GMT
Some 'Captain Obvious' issues in their report that have been covered many times on UKPR2: The triple lock has to be scrapped asap: "as the ‘baby boom’ cohorts enter retirement and high inflation ratchets up the cost of the triple lock, state pension spending is expected to be £23 billion in today’s terms (0.8 per cent of GDP) higher in 2027-28 than at the start of the decade"We'll need a replacement for 'fuel duty' (eg taxing people based on road usage): "..rising take-up of electric vehicles is expected to cost £13 billion a year in forgone fuel duty by 2030..."We need to 'crowd-in' private sector investment (eg by the changes being made to pension/insurance sector) as it is will be too expensive for 'public': "public investments needed to support the decarbonisation of power, buildings, and industry could reach £17 billion a year by that date"
and whilst I'm not opposed to increasing defence spending then the focus should be more about making sure those who aren't currently spending 2.0% pay their fair share. We also can't afford 'foreign aid' to go back to 0.7% (another 'target' that a lot of other countries never intend to meet) IMO it also shows that the NHS, in its current form, is not sustainable and we can no longer just keep chucking money into the 'money pit' (something Streeting seems to understand) So, shocking for sure, but if we start making the right changes asap then the 'forecast' can change. HMG can effect the outcome but some of the changes are certainly not going to be popular so ideally we need x-party 'realisation' and support that 'muddling through' is not an option. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 14, 2023 13:52:35 GMT
c-a-r-f-r-e-w - thanks. That's one of the bits of good news I've been waiting for. If we can get something affordable for GP surgeries, schools, hospital wards etc, then we're a long way down the path of being able to eliminate covid. I think I mentioned that we've also got dogs trained to identify covid +ve individuals, with the claimed ability to id cases while asymptomatic and before LFT tests can. That would be great for airports and other large venues. The other development we'll need is a better vaccine, and some of the nasal sprays are showing good promise in providing much stronger neutralising capability, along with a more durable response. I'm not counting air purification and ventilation because we already have that tech and we know it works. I can imagine that in another couple of years we'll be seeing endless articles in the press asking why we left it so long to deal with covid transmission. They'll be written by the same journalists who said last year that the problems are all to do with lockdowns and nothing to do with infection, and who are this saying ok, it's infection, but there's nothing we can do about it. We always move forward, but sometimes very slowly. Yes, would hope nasal would be better since it can block the virus from entering the body. Easier to administer too. Should possibly have been more of a priority even before Covid. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 14, 2023 13:54:08 GMT
Spaffer's iPhone password copy discovered by cabinet office I bet he's delighted. youtu.be/fNCAO3ruIksDid they get it from Carrie? |
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Post by alec on Jul 14, 2023 13:56:39 GMT
pjw1961 - I saw this on twitter and smiled: "Remote work is endemic. Learn to live with it." c-a-r-f-r-e-w - sorry to hear about your partner's problems. I've heard a growing number of similar types of cases now, and I have three close friends who have experienced severely debilitating illness caused by covid. One of these was hospitalised for sepsis caused by the infection, another has been officially designated with long covid, and he's the last person on earth I would have expected to have a lingering, debilitating condition.
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Post by chrisc on Jul 14, 2023 14:01:35 GMT
I think the correct comparison is not to bin collection now, but to how high an issue leaving the EU was to people before we had the 2016 referendum. Europe usually featured way down peoples priorities even during EU elections. Only a very small - though vocal - minority considered Europe a relevant issue, let alone whether we should leave or remain in the EU. If there were to be a referendum to remain the question would become “live” and if would shoot up people’s priorities like it did in 2016. Welcome to another EU-phile 😁 I suppose it depends on what you mean by a very small minority. In the 2014 EU elections, UKIP got 4.3 million votes - more than any other party, and the first time anyone other than Labour or Tories had won an election for around 100 years. In 2015 GE despite everyone knowing that they had little chance of winning seats they got 3.8 million votes, slightly more than LibDem and SNP put together and came second in over 100 seats. I’m not an eu-phile whatever that is, just someone interested in polling that found this and it’s predecessor occasionally interesting. But to discuss your previous post, you need to relate electoral support at EU elections to the low turnout. Also yes people might have got moderately interested at EU election time, but that did not equate to “Europe” ever being remotely high on people’s agendas pre 2016. And please don’t assume my political views in the absence of evidence of what I actually wrote. It’s one of the reasons. I post so rarely on this site |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 14, 2023 14:06:25 GMT
mercian . A few clicks into Gina Miller's website and she states:
"If our country is to move on from a high tax, low growth economy with failing public services something must change."to which her solution is to Rejoin.EU, noting that we had low growth and failing public services when we were in EU (hidden during the Blair-Brown era NICE decade by off-balance financing and a strong global economy built on the 'Ponzi scheme' of asset price inflation) www.trueandfairparty.uk/rejoinI agree with her that 'something must change' but perhaps she's never heard the phrase "Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results"Anyway, we live in a democracy so if people want to see if being EU will work when it didn't work before then they can and should vote for 'True+Fair', or 'Rejoin.EU', or perhaps Count Binface? From Count Binface manifesto: www.countbinface.com"4. I’m prepared to call out Brexit for what it is. (Clue: it begins with S.)"although he might mean 'Splendid'? 
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 14, 2023 14:09:56 GMT
Spaffer's iPhone password copy discovered by cabinet office I bet he's delighted. youtu.be/fNCAO3ruIksDid they get it from Carrie? Given Johnson's previously attested behaviour over the years, I think we can be sure that won't have let his wife anywhere near his phone messages. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 14, 2023 14:15:24 GMT
pjw1961 - I saw this on twitter and smiled: "Remote work is endemic. Learn to live with it." c-a-r-f-r-e-w - sorry to hear about your partner's problems. I've heard a growing number of similar types of cases now, and I have three close friends who have experienced severely debilitating illness caused by covid. One of these was hospitalised for sepsis caused by the infection, another has been officially designated with long covid, and he's the last person on earth I would have expected to have a lingering, debilitating condition. Thanks Alec. She’s passed the worst it would seem, but it still flares up a bit. What’s particularly annoying is that she’s aware of the problems we talk about and has done quite well to avoid infection working in a school environment, but hard to avoid indefinitely in that kind of setting. (The school as a whole did quite well in the pandemic - hers was the second-to-last school in the borough to have to send a bubble home) If she had the money she’d happily invest in suitable ventilation, not just for Covid but for the losses due to other infections. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 14, 2023 14:16:25 GMT
I don't think LA by-elections are particularly relevant but with Corbyn likely to stand as an Ind and possibly also Abbot, then from the People's Socialist Republic of Newham:
This from his twitter feed when he cut up his LAB membership card
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 14, 2023 14:19:55 GMT
and between the two Tory parties then perhaps Rishi has noticed that Starmer-Reeves have moved so far to the Right that CON can outflank them on the Left:
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Post by shevii on Jul 14, 2023 14:26:40 GMT
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Post by steve on Jul 14, 2023 14:27:15 GMT
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jul 14, 2023 14:33:26 GMT
I don't think LA by-elections are particularly relevant but with Corbyn likely to stand as an Ind and possibly also Abbot, then from the People's Socialist Republic of Newham: saw a headline the other day that Paul Mason was thinking of standing? |
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Post by mercian on Jul 14, 2023 14:55:21 GMT
... Also along with the late TOH I always felt that significant benefits wouldn't be apparent until 2030 or so. It could be later because of all the faffing about in Parliament. The point is not whether Brexit has had some marginal downside or not, but it is a reality for the foreseeable future. UKIP started around 1990 I think and it took 25 years to get to a referendum. I wish you and your comrades well in your forthcoming 25-year battle. Actually, the late TOH himself was quite revisionist over this. He did not claim that the benefits of Brexit would not appear until 2030 until some time after the referendum, and neither did any of those who campaigned for Leave. I did write down somewhere TOH's comments at the time when May triggered Article 50 in March 2017: the gist was that he expected difficulties for the UK when we were in the process of leaving, but that once we actually left, there would be a major boost to both GDP and investment in the UK. It struck me at the time as likely to be disproved, and it has been. The 'wait until 2030 before we can evaluate Brexit' argument wasn't seen until the talks started to founder in late 2017-2019. Exactly. The actual process was handled so badly that he became more cautious. As Keynes said "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?" |
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Post by graham on Jul 14, 2023 14:56:51 GMT
Starmer is clearly really keen to outTory the Tories.
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Post by mercian on Jul 14, 2023 15:04:34 GMT
"shows inflation rates across Europe in March this year but excludes UK for some reason even though e.g. Iceland is included. I seem to remember that ours was around 10% " Ok ignoring your b.s. about Covid and Ukraine which are of course equally as significant if not more significant for eastern and Baltic nations. The UK inflation rate in March was 2% above the European union average nearly 4% higher than the eurozone. Which makes the U.K. rate the highest of any non eastern or Baltic European countries with no exceptions. Do you think there might just be a possibility that the only country that was stupid enough to impose trade sanctions on itself might be suffering from its own unique factors! Are you pretending that the Covid and Ukraine war haven't affected economies or not? You say they are significant for eastern and Baltic nations but also say it's b.s. in the same sentence. Make your mind up. I did say that Brexit has probably had some effect but that all countries are having economic problems right now and it's not possible (IMO) to disentangle the various causes while they are all having a simultaneous effect. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 14, 2023 15:07:24 GMT
Omnisis @omnisis · 24m 1/ Like a thermometer of truth, we've taken a temperature check on voter intention and, unlike southern Europe, we found Labour’s lead is cooling – down four to 22 points this week. 🔴 Lab 47% (-4) 🔵 Con 25% (NC) 🟠 LD 10% (+2) 🟡 SNP 3% (NC) ⚪ Ref 6% (+1) 🟢 Green 5% (NC) That is now '4 in a row' (and in fieldwork date order) Deltapoll: LAB 46 (-2), CON 28 (+3). Lead 18 (-5) YG: LAB 43 (-4), CON 25 (+3). Lead 18 (-7) Techne: LAB 46 (-1), CON 26 (uc). Lead 20 (-1) Omnisis: LAB 47 (-4), CON 25 (uc). Lead 22 (-4) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_electionI took a look at YG x-breaks and noted LAB's loyalty had dropped a bit (and CON's had reversed a bit). Also a tiny bit of CON'19 who went to RUK returning to CON and a tiny increase in Green VI (coming from LAB'19) with some pollsters However, IMO it still feels like 'noise' and, at best, is just a small reversal of LAB's recent gain. Although given the pretty much constant -ve 'event' news for the sitting HMG then you'd think the main opposition party should be 30+pts ahead? |
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Post by mercian on Jul 14, 2023 15:10:04 GMT
Surprise upset in the Norfolk CC LG by-election. This was a very safe Conservative ward but the Greens have won it on a large swing.. West Depwade Green- 663 Con - 582 Lib Dem - 409 Ind - 405 Lab - 228 GRN: 29.0% (+19.7) CON: 25.4% (-18.2) LDM: 17.9% (+7.4) IND: 17.7% (-6.0) LAB: 10.0% (-2.8) Interesting. That's the other way round to a couple of the other wards where Con vote went up, and Green down. There's still no real sign of widespread enthusiasm for Labour or indeed Con collapse. |
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Post by mercian on Jul 14, 2023 15:16:09 GMT
Anyway, we live in a democracy so if people want to see if being EU will work when it didn't work before then they can and should vote for 'True+Fair', or 'Rejoin.EU', or perhaps Count Binface? From Count Binface manifesto: www.countbinface.com"4. I’m prepared to call out Brexit for what it is. (Clue: it begins with S.)"although he might mean 'Splendid'? This must be why Binface broke away from OMRLP. The official policy on the EU is: "We will have a second Brexit referendum with three choices. Soft, Hard or Al dente." 😁 |
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Post by mercian on Jul 14, 2023 15:20:59 GMT
Welcome to another EU-phile 😁 I suppose it depends on what you mean by a very small minority. In the 2014 EU elections, UKIP got 4.3 million votes - more than any other party, and the first time anyone other than Labour or Tories had won an election for around 100 years. In 2015 GE despite everyone knowing that they had little chance of winning seats they got 3.8 million votes, slightly more than LibDem and SNP put together and came second in over 100 seats. I’m not an eu-phile whatever that is, just someone interested in polling that found this and it’s predecessor occasionally interesting. But to discuss your previous post, you need to relate electoral support at EU elections to the low turnout. Also yes people might have got moderately interested at EU election time, but that did not equate to “Europe” ever being remotely high on people’s agendas pre 2016. And please don’t assume my political views in the absence of evidence of what I actually wrote. It’s one of the reasons. I post so rarely on this site I was simply challenging your view that 3.8 million votes for UKIP in a GE before the referendum was a very small minority. Anyway no offence meant. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 14, 2023 15:24:43 GMT
Actually, the late TOH himself was quite revisionist over this. He did not claim that the benefits of Brexit would not appear until 2030 until some time after the referendum, and neither did any of those who campaigned for Leave. I did write down somewhere TOH's comments at the time when May triggered Article 50 in March 2017: the gist was that he expected difficulties for the UK when we were in the process of leaving, but that once we actually left, there would be a major boost to both GDP and investment in the UK. It struck me at the time as likely to be disproved, and it has been. The 'wait until 2030 before we can evaluate Brexit' argument wasn't seen until the talks started to founder in late 2017-2019. Exactly. The actual process was handled so badly that he became more cautious. As Keynes said "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?" Another zzz ZZZ Groundhog Day from Team 'Carry on Moaning'. Once again then HoC dragged the process out for a lot longer than the next day + 2yrs that it should have took. 31Jan'22 instead of 24Jun'18. That drawn out period of uncertainty certainly didn't help GDP or investment and of course EZ are currently in recession, where as UK is not so on a 'relative' basis then we're doing better than the inner core of the Eternal Recession Mechanism (ERM). As for investment then it's hardly the Br-Armageddon that 'Project Fear' predicted: www.ey.com/en_uk/news/2023/06/foreign-direct-investment-uk-remains-second-in-europe-despite-a-fall-in-project-numbersand in the one area where we made the cleanest break and are finally starting to diverge
"The UK remains Europe’s most attractive destination for financial services investment, extending its lead"www.ey.com/en_uk/news/2023/06/uk-remains-europes-most-attractive-destination-for-financial-services-investment#Sadly Covid then Ukraine crisis hit soon after we eventually left and did suck out a lot of political bandwidth from "Making Brexit Work". I'm quite prepared to say Rishi-CON are being too slow to take advantage of the opportunities of Brexit and not using Brexit (or the Ukraine crisis) as much of a 'Catalyst for Change' (eg Energy security is painfully slow with a numpty like Shapps in the key role). |
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Some 'Captain Obvious' issues in their report that have been covered many times on UKPR2: The triple lock has to be scrapped asap: "as the ‘baby boom’ cohorts enter retirement and high inflation ratchets up the cost of the triple lock, state pension spending is expected to be £23 billion in today’s terms (0.8 per cent of GDP) higher in 2027-28 than at the start of the decade"We'll need a replacement for 'fuel duty' (eg taxing people based on road usage): "..rising take-up of electric vehicles is expected to cost £13 billion a year in forgone fuel duty by 2030..."We need to 'crowd-in' private sector investment (eg by the changes being made to pension/insurance sector) as it is will be too expensive for 'public': "public investments needed to support the decarbonisation of power, buildings, and industry could reach £17 billion a year by that date"
and whilst I'm not opposed to increasing defence spending then the focus should be more about making sure those who aren't currently spending 2.0% pay their fair share. We also can't afford 'foreign aid' to go back to 0.7% (another 'target' that a lot of other countries never intend to meet) IMO it also shows that the NHS, in its current form, is not sustainable and we can no longer just keep chucking money into the 'money pit' (something Streeting seems to understand) So, shocking for sure, but if we start making the right changes asap then the 'forecast' can change. HMG can effect the outcome but some of the changes are certainly not going to be popular so ideally we need x-party 'realisation' and support that 'muddling through' is not an option. I agree about the escalation of State Pen. It is becoming a very large cost. And the recent indexation hasnt helped. But this is only going to become a bigger chunk of State spending as the population ages. On Defence Spending I really think there is a massive wake up call coming for European countries if they allow Putin to dig in in Ukraine. We are agreed on NHS. Yes Streeting seems to understand. But I don't see any possibility of the basic architecture & model being changed. More tinkering-yes. I could almost wish for Starmer to be in No 10 now -just to see Streeting vs BMA/GPs & Starmer vs Drs Robert Laurenson and Vivek Trivedi . I really see economic decline unless some serious thinking and initiatives-Public & Private -are brought to bear on UK's productivity . |
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Post by James E on Jul 14, 2023 15:45:32 GMT
"I always felt that significant benefits wouldn't be apparent until 2030 or so...." (Mercian) Actually, the late TOH himself was quite revisionist over this. He did not claim that the benefits of Brexit would not appear until 2030 until some time after the referendum, and neither did any of those who campaigned for Leave. I did write down somewhere TOH's comments at the time when May triggered Article 50 in March 2017: the gist was that he expected difficulties for the UK when we were in the process of leaving, but that once we actually left, there would be a major boost to both GDP and investment in the UK. It struck me at the time as likely to be disproved, and it has been. The 'wait until 2030 before we can evaluate Brexit' argument wasn't seen until the talks started to founder in late 2017-2019. Exactly. The actual process was handled so badly that he became more cautious. As Keynes said " When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?" What has happened since the Referendum has been entirely consistent* with the facts as I understood them back in 2016. [Edit: for the benefit of Trevor (below) - I expected the Brexit negotiations would go rather badly, and that we would suffer economically ] |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 14, 2023 15:53:23 GMT
Since Trevor has got predictably excited about the Newham Boelyn result it might be worth reproducing this account of the background from a Newham local on the "Vote UK Forum" on proboards.
"Mirza and his group broke with Labour in a particularly nasty internal spat in the post-Corbyn era. The Newham Mayor, Rokhsana Fiaz, had used the Corbynites to depose veteran Mayor and staunch Blairite Sir Robin Wales and they had delivered her the Mayoralty in 2018 and a clean sweep of the Borough.
However, the coming of Starmer changed the internal Labour landscape and Fiaz quickly saw which way the wind was blowing and pledged her allegiance to Starmer and to his anti-Corbyn activities which led to a huge row within Newham Labour and the departure of Mirza and his cohorts who I thought were going to form their own group but in 2022 stood as Independents. Mirza stood as Mayor but finished fourth - he's had some form of redemption with this success. I know he had quite a group of activists and followers so presumably they worked Boleyn very hard and have got a tremendous result.
Were Labour complacent? Perhaps - they were working the wrong Ward yesterday but the margin of Mirza's win was notable and he joins the two Green councillors on the Opposition benches at the Town Hall.
The Greens badly under-performed - I thought they would run Labour close but this was a disappointing performance while the Conservative vote disintegrated as the Party abandoned the seat - in 2022 the top Conservative in Boleyn polled 538 votes, last night the candidate got 69 votes so where did all the Tories go? Perhaps they weren't Conservatives at all but simply anti-Labour. I wonder whether Mirza will stand in East Ham next year - my information is Sir Stephen Timms will run again for the seat."
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 14, 2023 16:10:26 GMT
Exactly. The actual process was handled so badly that he became more cautious. As Keynes said " When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?" What has happened since the Referendum has been entirely consistent with the facts as I understood them back in 2016. Really? So you thought it would take 5.5yrs to leave instead of 2? UKPR history no longer exists so maybe you did think that. However, can you point to anyone of note saying the process would be drawn out for 3.5yrs longer than it could/should have been? Whilst Osborne's "prediction" was wrong on every aspect (other than £) then, along with most others, he pointed out the "transition effect" and "uncertainty effect" that would (obviously) cause a short-term headwind to UK GDP and investment. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/524967/hm_treasury_analysis_the_immediate_economic_impact_of_leaving_the_eu_web.pdfBy dragging the process out for 5.5yrs instead of 2yrs then, again obviously, those two effects were far more damaging than they should have been. That, again obviously, has pushed out the time it will take to recover from the 'temporary' effects of "transition and uncertainty". Beyond that and now that the "transition and uncertainty" effects are mostly* over then I'll state once again that CON HMG are taking insufficient advantage of the opportunities of Brexit and the 'catalyst for change' that Brexit created. However, of course if you wish to Rejoin.EU then instead of 'Carry(ing) on Moaning' about it then get behind Gina Miller or Count Binface and get the campaign to Rejoin.EU going. Anyone Rejoiner who lends their vote to LDEM or LAB is clearly not that bothered about Rejoin.EU, at least not bothered enough to 'protest' about it and vote for a Rejoin party. * Still a few minor issues being dragged out but I'm prepared to say they are not causing too much ongoing "transition/uncertainty" issues. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 14, 2023 16:17:50 GMT
Stats for Lefties 'projection' for next weeks by-elections has 'plausible numbers'
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Post by steve on Jul 14, 2023 17:17:30 GMT
What happens when extreme right theocracy combines with the cult of the gun.
The maga Supreme Court of the United States not satisfied with stealing women's control over their own bodies has in a bizarre decision endangered them further by a second amendment cult ruling.
Legislation has existed in the state of New York for 100 years that prevented concealed carry of firearms , basically it meant you could walk around the streets of NYC knowing you were unlikely to be shot by people with legally owned firearms .
New York city is despite TV depictions one of the safest cities in the US.
This legislation essentially also allowed the state courts, legislature and governor to prevent people with a known history of violence against partners to own or carry a firearm.
Earlier this year the SCUS struck down the legislation on the basis it wasn't consistent with the second amendment ( it is incidentally) Their ruling which applies nationwide means someone with a history of violence including firearms can not be refused permission to own or carry a concealed firearm.
50% of women who are shot in the US are victims of violence from people they have or have had an intimate relationship with.
It's insane.
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