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Post by steve on Jul 13, 2023 8:48:22 GMT
colin I'd accept that however it's not relevant in this instance and is really a definition of the nature of consent and coercion
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Post by Danny on Jul 13, 2023 8:49:53 GMT
Haha, honestly, who had more to lose here in either of the recent cases, the high profile news reporter on the younger party? Didnt the younger party hold the power? If you discover your boss is on grindr, which of you is in the weaker position? An interesting observation. Shows my age.! Maybe the power of social media has destroyed the concepts of "sdult" and "child" in that situation. The law would have to say. The law tends to be always out of date. You raise an interesting point about the social media. The ability of people to bypass traditional forms of socialising and for minority interests to just get on with it has empowered ordinary people. When I was young all sorts of pornography was heavily restricted in the Uk, compared to other nations where it wasnt but nothing bad seemed to happen there. The internet made free hardcore pornography available to everyone, though a conservative society has tried to roll that back in recent years and restore censorship. We just had a media bill with that aim. But there has been no harm as a result of that new freedom, compared to the previous situation, and many more mainstream people see that and have now joined in. Informed consent must include the stipulation that once someone IS informed, then they have a right to choose. That would imply that someone of any age should have that right, once they are informed. People have never been better informed, and yet ages of consent are rather high, and again there has been a rollback from 16 as the age of consent to 18 for anything involving electronic communications or media, which is how people now do this, so it is stealth recriminalisation. Why are we picking 18 as the cutoff not 16? Some countries use 14. It is the pornography censorship saga all over again. |
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Post by steve on Jul 13, 2023 8:54:37 GMT
neilj "Labour lead at 18 points in this week's YouGov poll for The Times" Starmer needs to go now! Davey no longer needs to resign which he did with the last yougov disaster. The regime remains the series 7 walking dead zombie government.
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Post by steve on Jul 13, 2023 9:03:08 GMT
The number of people in England waiting to start routine hospital treatment has hit a new record. An estimated 7.47 million people were waiting to start treatment at the end of May, up from 7.42 million in March, NHS England said. It is the highest number since records began in August 2007. How are the other four pledges going? Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Danny on Jul 13, 2023 9:10:53 GMT
The number of people in England waiting to start routine hospital treatment has hit a new record. An estimated 7.47 million people were waiting to start treatment at the end of May, up from 7.42 million in March, NHS England said. It is the highest number since records began in August 2007. How are the other four pledges going? Its hardly suprising - growing demand faced with a budget not keeping pace and other matters such as increasing world competition for skilled staff. Anyone sitting around the cabinet table in 2010 could have told you the result of their austerity measures would be increasing NHS waiting lists. I would be surprised if cabinet did not discuss at that time how to mitigate public published targets such as waiting lists, because of the obvious consequences of the policy.
What is being fudged here is the hidden but simple message. More money, more treatements. What number are you going to pick? While its pretty much certain lab will prioritise the NHS more (based on past record), neither party is willing to say bluntly its a choice how many not to treat.
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Thanks. I hadn't heard the term before. I've never heard of 'New Conservatives' either. I must say I'm not keen on abortions except in cases of rape or if the baby will be horribly handicapped or something, but I wouldn't make them illegal. Perhaps pjw1961 should have read his own link before posting it: The ' All-Party Parliamentary Pro-Life Group' in HoC is 9 MPs and Lords (so hardly anyone) and made up of: 3 CON 3 DUP 1 LAB 1 SNP 1 Crossbench The 'New Conservative' group want to reduce UK immigration and are not promoting anything such as "rewarding women to breed hordes of children"*, "trying to effectively ban abortion", "defunding international programmes of fertility control for women". Anyway, a useful reminder why it's not worth reading some of the drivel and "theories" made up by certain people on UKPR2 Actually I did read the link before I posted it and was fully aware that there is a Labour and SNP MP on that group. I even googled the Labour MP to check what I suspected - namely that she is a practicing Catholic. As well as opposing abortion she also opposed equal marriage for LGBT people. It has long been the case that Labour has contained MPs, Catholics in particular, who unfortunately put the dictates of their religion before civilised values. The reference to breeding hordes of children was specifically to Orban in Hungary and is a fact: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_policy_in_HungaryThe National Conservative conference in the UK recently attended by Breaverman, Gove and other leading Tory figures has a manifesto. On the subject of 'family' it says this: "8. Family and Children. We believe the traditional family is the source of society’s virtues and deserves greater support from public policy. The traditional family, built around a lifelong bond between a man and a woman, and on a lifelong bond between parents and children, is the foundation of all other achievements of our civilization. The disintegration of the family, including a marked decline in marriage and childbirth, gravely threatens the wellbeing and sustainability of democratic nations. Among the causes are an unconstrained individualism that regards children as a burden, while encouraging ever more radical forms of sexual license and experimentation as an alternative to the responsibilities of family and congregational life. Economic and cultural conditions that foster stable family and congregational life and child-raising are priorities of the highest order."
nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/Trevor, you can blind yourself to the truth if you like and continue to write your drivel, but the American style alt right is coming to the UK and infiltrating the Conservative Party. This has been widely covered in the mainstream media. True moderate Conservatives (if there are any left) need to wake up and kick this parasite out of their party. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-party-conference-suella-braverman-michael-gove-b2341890.html |
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Post by davem on Jul 13, 2023 9:14:39 GMT
Not in my book, we are not doing anything more to improve the community, just cutting down more trees to make the paper to send the letters. If this meant we were doing more things to improve the community I would agree. Having to respond to lies is taking up time we could be dealing with resident’s issues. Email hasn't reached your neck of the woods then? And of course keeping your electors in the dark was a great idea. 🙄 we have always emailed residents who have raised concerns. Also we don’t hold the email address for every resident. We use Facebook both our own and the various residents groups, however at most those social media outlets will at best hit 5% of electors. Yes it is a great idea to keep people informed. I am not aware of anywhere else where they are putting out, on average ten street letters every week. |
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Post by domjg on Jul 13, 2023 9:20:18 GMT
I'm not sure of the relevancy of age disparity between adults in a consensual relationship has anything to do with anyone other than the individuals, I think it is relevant if part of a workplace power dynamic which exerts influence and pressure. I agree. I didn't want say anything on this tawdry issue but the bottom line is if the allegations are true, regardless of legality then it was almost certainly abuse. The power and age differential is such that it allows for coercion, manipulation and intimidation and that is probably the reason these older (insert phrase of choice) target those so much younger. They are effectively powerless. There was an excerpt from a book recently in the Guardian about a 17 year old boy who was drawn into a relationship by his 35 year old teacher. They got married eventually, had kids and latterly split but as is made very clear in the article in hindsight, it was abuse and he was very much manipulated and gaslit by her from from the get go using her position of relative power. I have zero understanding why so many older people, especially men, seem to be drawn to those say under the age of thirty and I suspect that in large part it's because they don't want or can't handle a relationship of equals. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 9:26:41 GMT
You seem to have a problem understanding the concept of consent ! Maybe I am, but if so can you expand on why? Do you mean people being coerced into something? I dont think thats good. I'm glad you clarified that since some of your statements concerning the Pincher case, or describing women who who do not wish to be regarded as sex objects as "insane", could be interpreted otherwise |
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Post by Danny on Jul 13, 2023 9:35:02 GMT
I think it is relevant if part of a workplace power dynamic which exerts influence and pressure. I agree. I didn't want say anything on this tawdry issue but the bottom line is if the allegations are true, regardless of legality then it was almost certainly abuse. Setting aside which allegations of what, you are arguing that because the younger parties have more power here, then they abused the older? In the current case, what has happened is that the parents have adopted the power their child always had to bring great harm to the older party and used it to end his career. That does sound like abuse. I heard a prison guard being interviewd the other day, who said that after she first agreed to bring drugs into the prison, she was essentially doomed. The power was all with the prisoners. Now that is a situation where obviously she was very foolish to ever do so and there were circumstances why. But the power balance is similar in the two recent cases, and its the nominal bosses who were in the weak position. Duh, look what has happened! |
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Post by domjg on Jul 13, 2023 9:43:58 GMT
I agree. I didn't want say anything on this tawdry issue but the bottom line is if the allegations are true, regardless of legality then it was almost certainly abuse. Setting aside which allegations of what, you are arguing that because the younger parties have more power here, then they abused the older? In the current case, what has happened is that the parents have adopted the power their child always had to bring great harm to the older party and used it to end his career. That does sound like abuse. I heard a prison guard being interviewd the other day, who said that after she first agreed to bring drugs into the prison, she was essentially doomed. The power was all with the prisoners. Now that is a situation where obviously she was very foolish to ever do so and there were circumstances why. But the power balance is similar in the two recent cases, and its the bosses who were in the weak position. Duh, look what has happened! FFS.. black is white, white is black, yadda yadda.. and not a little bit disturbing. |
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Post by Danny on Jul 13, 2023 10:06:57 GMT
Maybe I am, but if so can you expand on why? Do you mean people being coerced into something? I dont think thats good. I'm glad you clarified that since some of your statements concerning the Pincher case, or describing women who who do not wish to be regarded as sex objects as "insane", could be interpreted otherwise This is all about allowing people to choose what they want to do. Its impossible to 'choose' not to be regarded as a sex object because that exists in the minds of others, so unless brainwashing is permitted, it cannot be done, you are or you arent. I am not clear that requiring people to lie about their views in public exactly helps. Seems more likely to make matters worse as the woman concerned couldnt then trust anything anyone said. Its very clear some woment do like to be considered sex objects because they are willing to say so. Melania Trump as one example quite explicitly exploited her ability to be one to advance her career. I dont believe men in general are displeased to be told they are sex objects, and frankly find it difficult to believe women do either. Its basically a compliment, you are better than average. What they probably dont like is unwelcome attention on the part of someone acting on that. And no one likes that, its not unique to women. The problem then is separating welcome and unwelcome attention.
I come at this from the perspective of someone, who when I was born all gay sex was illegal. So no sex for me. This moved to a limited age of consent at 21 though still with major legal restrictions even over that age, to a nominal equality with heterosexual activity. The issue isnt or shouldnt be about the gender of the people involved, but about freedom to do what they want. Both recent media celeberities have been attacked for doing something where there was no evidence anyone was exploited or did something they didnt want to. I do not believe it is a coincidence these were gay examples. That made the stories more atractive to the media, got on board the zealots, and enabled the public debate to be moved away from grounds of eg Saville where he was blatantly using power to get his way, to simply the whole principle of youngsters (or anyone) having sex, especially gay sex, being unacceptable. Well it isnt. Youngsters themselves are voting with their mobile phones to do it.
An attempt has been made here to claim this led to the youngster becoming a drug addict. We have no details of what really happened, but I already pointed out this is not more likely than Melania Trump or any Sun page 3 model becoming a drug addict because of being paid for pictures, or a city banker simply being paid. These are deliberate false equivalents being made to further an agenda of restricting civil rights. Again, it is not at all the same as people being unknowingly drugged, etc, etc. And I incidentally I think drugs are great, much of the harm from using stems directly from legislative attempts to control their use. Informed consent is key here too, but informed consent must always allow someone to then say yes. It seems the scottish parliament is trying to push in this direction, as ironically are parts of the US. Not to mention alcohol, the most harmful, being almost entirely legal.
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Post by Danny on Jul 13, 2023 10:08:24 GMT
]FFS.. black is white, white is black, yadda yadda.. and not a little bit disturbing. No. it isnt. If you ignore the grey then outcomes always go wrong. We have a conservative party which since WW2 has espoused making ordinary people richer. In office this has always amounted to making the gap between rich and poor wider. Yet they still claim it and poor people still vote for them. The devil is always in the detail. |
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Post by James E on Jul 13, 2023 10:32:01 GMT
Some rather revisionist comment by Peter Kellner, who now sees a Labour majority in the next General Election as a 50/50 chance. I do wonder whether he us placing any bets on a hung parliament which is available at 14/5 with the bookmakers. kellnerpolitics.com/2023/07/12/labour-has-a-50-50-chance-of-an-overall-majority/As I have mentioned before, I disagree with his contention that UNS will provide a decent model for seats at the next GE, and it now seems that he' accepts this. His latest blog states that "Taking everything into account, Labour may need a lead of 8-10 per cent in the Britain-wide popular vote to secure an overall majority in the next House of Commons " whereas just 7 weeks ago he was still arguing that Labour needed a 12-13% lead (as per UNS) in his 'grumblers and defectors' article. But other views are available. John Curtice has argued that the May 2023 Local Election results put us back to around the position at GE2017, leaving Labour needing around a 7% lead for a majority. Professor Rose on Electoral Calculus has argued that a 5% lead is needed, although it should be noted that this is without tactical voting. EC itself shows Labour can take a majority on a lead of 3% if there is Lab/LD tactical voting, which I would have thought is a near-certainty. My own view is that Prof Rose is the probably right. It's also worth noting that on vote share he is says that "I currently expect Labour to end up with 40-44 per cent of the vote, while the Tories win 31-35 per cent" - very close to most people's current expectations. The mid-point of this (Lab 42, Con 33) produces a comfortable Labour majority on all projections other than UNS. |
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colin I'd accept that however it's not relevant in this instance and is really a definition of the nature of consent and coercion I dont know about this case yet. BBC employees are reported to have joined the complainants. Also I dont know to what degree his mental illness reduces responsibility. Probably never will. All very complicated I feel. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 10:50:15 GMT
I think it is relevant if part of a workplace power dynamic which exerts influence and pressure. I agree. I didn't want say anything on this tawdry issue but the bottom line is if the allegations are true, regardless of legality then it was almost certainly abuse. The power and age differential is such that it allows for coercion, manipulation and intimidation and that is probably the reason these older (insert phrase of choice) target those so much younger. They are effectively powerless. There was an excerpt from a book recently in the Guardian about a 17 year old boy who was drawn into a relationship by his 35 year old teacher. They got married eventually, had kids and latterly split but as is made very clear in the article in hindsight, it was abuse and he was very much manipulated and gaslit by her from from the get go using her position of relative power. I have zero understanding why so many older people, especially men, seem to be drawn to those say under the age of thirty and I suspect that in large part it's because they don't want or can't handle a relationship of equals. The mental illness weighs heavily with me. To what extent it negates the responsibility in this case for thoughts and actions such as you describe -I don't know. But it has tempered my more judgemental instincts-which I otherwise share with you. The issue of the degree of power & exploitation facilitated for the younger party , by Social Media ( raised by Danny) is something I hadnt thought of-it may be relevant here. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 13, 2023 11:15:41 GMT
I think it is relevant if part of a workplace power dynamic which exerts influence and pressure. I agree. I didn't want say anything on this tawdry issue but the bottom line is if the allegations are true, regardless of legality then it was almost certainly abuse. The power and age differential is such that it allows for coercion, manipulation and intimidation and that is probably the reason these older (insert phrase of choice) target those so much younger. They are effectively powerless. There was an excerpt from a book recently in the Guardian about a 17 year old boy who was drawn into a relationship by his 35 year old teacher. They got married eventually, had kids and latterly split but as is made very clear in the article in hindsight, it was abuse and he was very much manipulated and gaslit by her from from the get go using her position of relative power. I have zero understanding why so many older people, especially men, seem to be drawn to those say under the age of thirty and I suspect that in large part it's because they don't want or can't handle a relationship of equals. Unusually, I will have to disagree with you on this. Obviously relationships that take place within an established power dynamic such as a workplace are different and carry the potential for abuse, but I don't see an age gap on its own without such additional factors as an indicator of an abusive relationship at all. For example my son has a female friend of the same age (23) who only has relationships with much older men - and to be clear it is not for their money, she just prefers older men. You can have highly abusive relationships between people of the same age - it is the people and their behaviour that determine that, not their age. The whole point of having an age of majority is that thereafter all adults are equal in rights and responsibilities whether 18 or 88. If you start to move away from that principle then how would you go about restricting adults freedom and determining what is and is not allowed by some arbitrary morality? I see this "age gap between adults = abuse" argument as pretty outrageous. What consenting adults want to do is no one else's business. That is a fundamental principle of a free society for me. |
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Post by neilj on Jul 13, 2023 11:20:11 GMT
The latest in Johnson not handing over his phone, he now says he can't hand it over because he can't remember his password
The solution is simple, he should hand it to the Cabinet Office and they can sort out unlocking it securely, or they could give it to the Covid enquiry to sort
There are some very clever people in the Security Services who can do it, failing that I know a bloke down the market that can do it
We do know Johnson is lazy so the fact he hasn't done the simple easy thing makes me think he is being less than truthful...shocker
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 13, 2023 11:20:43 GMT
Some rather revisionist comment by Peter Kellner, who now sees a Labour majority in the next General Election as a 50/50 chance. I do wonder whether he us placing any bets on a hung parliament which is available at 14/5 with the bookmakers. kellnerpolitics.com/2023/07/12/labour-has-a-50-50-chance-of-an-overall-majority/As I have mentioned before, I disagree with his contention that UNS will provide a decent model for seats at the next GE, and it now seems that he' accepts this. His latest blog states that "Taking everything into account, Labour may need a lead of 8-10 per cent in the Britain-wide popular vote to secure an overall majority in the next House of Commons " whereas just 7 weeks ago he was still arguing that Labour needed a 12-13% lead (as per UNS) in his 'grumblers and defectors' article. But other views are available. John Curtice has argued that the May 2023 Local Election results put us back to around the position at GE2017, leaving Labour needing around a 7% lead for a majority. Professor Rose on Electoral Calculus has argued that a 5% lead is needed, although it should be noted that this is without tactical voting. EC itself shows Labour can take a majority on a lead of 3% if there is Lab/LD tactical voting, which I would have thought is a near-certainty. My own view is that Prof Rose is the probably right. It's also worth noting that on vote share he is says that "I currently expect Labour to end up with 40-44 per cent of the vote, while the Tories win 31-35 per cent" - very close to most people's current expectations. The mid-point of this (Lab 42, Con 33) produces a comfortable Labour majority on all projections other than UNS. Kellner's last paragraph: "Like economic forecasts, I shall be updating my predictions as the election draw near. I also hope to narrow the range of outcomes for each party towards the end of the campaign. If by some chance one of my forecasts between now and polling day proves right, that is of course the one I shall remind readers of afterwards." So leaving his options open!  |
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Post by domjg on Jul 13, 2023 11:23:14 GMT
I agree. I didn't want say anything on this tawdry issue but the bottom line is if the allegations are true, regardless of legality then it was almost certainly abuse. The power and age differential is such that it allows for coercion, manipulation and intimidation and that is probably the reason these older (insert phrase of choice) target those so much younger. They are effectively powerless. There was an excerpt from a book recently in the Guardian about a 17 year old boy who was drawn into a relationship by his 35 year old teacher. They got married eventually, had kids and latterly split but as is made very clear in the article in hindsight, it was abuse and he was very much manipulated and gaslit by her from from the get go using her position of relative power. I have zero understanding why so many older people, especially men, seem to be drawn to those say under the age of thirty and I suspect that in large part it's because they don't want or can't handle a relationship of equals. Unusually, I will have to disagree with you on this. Obviously relationships that take place within an established power dynamic such as a workplace are different and carry the potential for abuse, but I don't see an age gap on its own without such additional factors as an indicator of an abusive relationship at all. fir example my son has a female friend of the same age (23) who only has relationships with much older men - and to be clear it is not for their money, she just prefers older men. You can have highly abusive relationships between people of the same age - it is the people and their behaviour that determine that, not their age. The whole point of having an age of majority is that thereafter all adults are equal in rights and responsibilities whether 18 or 88. If you start to move away from that principle then how would you go about restricting adults freedom and determining what is and is not allowed by some arbitrary morality? I see this "age gap between adults = abuse" argument as pretty outrageous. What consenting adults want to do is no one else's business. That is a fundamental principle of a free society for me. I'm not saying there should be any legal implications here, if you're 18 the law says your an adult and that's that though most at that age will, I think, still be very immature and relatively vulnerable. I'm just expressing a personal moral reaction. I would consider a relationship between say a 45 year old and a 19 year old (or either gender) as pretty darn unsavoury and I would have a very dim view of the 45 year old's sense of morality and likely intentions. |
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Post by steve on Jul 13, 2023 11:30:01 GMT
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I suspect the regime would bite it's own arm off for over 30%
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Post by steve on Jul 13, 2023 11:32:25 GMT
Incidentally Somerton polling by the lib dems while showing massive increase in support doesn't make it the slam dunk that the bookies seem to be predicting.
(We'll still probably win though)
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Post by neilj on Jul 13, 2023 11:32:39 GMT
If no extra money is made available this will blow Sunak's NHS waiting list pledge out of the water
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Post by neilj on Jul 13, 2023 11:40:06 GMT
Suspect this won't get the attention the original claims got...
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Post by Danny on Jul 13, 2023 12:00:38 GMT
I'm not saying there should be any legal implications here, if you're 18 the law says your an adult and that's that though most at that age will, I think, still be very immature and relatively vulnerable. All the more reason then that they might benefit from a relationship with someone older. There seems an assumption that an older influence can only be malign, which if applied generally must mean there is no hope for any teenagers, because teachers are invariably older than their pupils. Ill give another example which I might have mentioned before. You will be aware that gay men are in the habit of cruising each other in public toilets. Ironically to a large extent because meeting in more normal situations has long been illegal. Things have improved a bit since, but still applies somewhat as these recent examples show. Those people werent being secretive for nothing. Anyway, standing there. In walks a distinctly short and young guy, well teenager if you prefer. Sets himself up on display, looks around. My cue to leave. Others cue to move in. Now law says youngsters are a no no, so I dont want to be anywhere near anything which might happen. But if someone else is specifically preadatory, well I just cleared the way for him to pounce. Legal bans can make matters worse because they drive youngsters into the hands of those specifically concentrated upon them. Chances are of course, the kid knew exactly what he was doing and had done it many times before, but he might have been clueless and got into trouble. No older more experienced people to help. |
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Post by Danny on Jul 13, 2023 12:01:27 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 13, 2023 12:13:17 GMT
Unusually, I will have to disagree with you on this. Obviously relationships that take place within an established power dynamic such as a workplace are different and carry the potential for abuse, but I don't see an age gap on its own without such additional factors as an indicator of an abusive relationship at all. fir example my son has a female friend of the same age (23) who only has relationships with much older men - and to be clear it is not for their money, she just prefers older men. You can have highly abusive relationships between people of the same age - it is the people and their behaviour that determine that, not their age. The whole point of having an age of majority is that thereafter all adults are equal in rights and responsibilities whether 18 or 88. If you start to move away from that principle then how would you go about restricting adults freedom and determining what is and is not allowed by some arbitrary morality? I see this "age gap between adults = abuse" argument as pretty outrageous. What consenting adults want to do is no one else's business. That is a fundamental principle of a free society for me. I'm not saying there should be any legal implications here, if you're 18 the law says your an adult and that's that though most at that age will, I think, still be very immature and relatively vulnerable. I'm just expressing a personal moral reaction. I would consider a relationship between say a 45 year old and a 19 year old (or either gender) as pretty darn unsavoury and I would have a very dim view of the 45 year old's sense of morality and likely intentions. If you argue that 18 is too immature to decide on your own romantic and sex life, then logically 18 is also too young to be allowed to vote, to serve on the front line in the armed forces, be sent to an adult prison and so on. What you are actually arguing for is an increase in the age of majority. And if you are going to start calling out age gaps you have to have some arbitrary number that is Ok/Not ok. Is 5 years ok? 10 Years?, 20? Where are you drawing the line about what is and is not acceptable to you? As to your example, if the 45 year old and the 19 year old are clearly happy in their relationship what business of yours is it to even have an opinion on the matter. Your argument is no different to a homophobe saying they find a gay relationship unsavoury and they have a dim view of the parties morality and intentions. What consenting adults do that is legal is none of anyone else's business. |
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Post by steve on Jul 13, 2023 12:18:45 GMT
Remarkable developments in direct fusion drive with orbital tests planned for 2027. If( big if) it can be made to work effectively it reduces Earth to Mars Journeys to less than two weeks and even more amazingly flight times to Alpha Centauri system reduced from 20,000 to 11 years! Angry Astronaut isn't one of the lunatic fringe podcasts , this appears a real credible possibility. youtu.be/ABVYrVghBwc |
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Post by steve on Jul 13, 2023 12:25:34 GMT
domjgWhat about a relationship between a 54 year old and a twenty seven year old , twenty three when they met. I was thinking of Michael Sheen and his partner, no one appears to find this particularly unsavoury. Or indeed national treasure Sir Patrick Stewart and his wife of ten years Sunny Ozell who is 39 years his junior. Frankly if there's no abuse or coercion involved I really don't see it as any ones business but their own.
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