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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on May 4, 2023 12:31:47 GMT
I don't think my son's interest in her has much to do with politics. There is a picture of her here (Young Adult Spokesman): heritageparty.org/about/ |
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Post by domjg on May 4, 2023 12:32:52 GMT
The Plod don't know the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. (Clue: Star Trek came first). police. Check their profile! |
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Post by Mr Poppy on May 4, 2023 12:44:19 GMT
The tree in the background might represent the Green Party, although in LEs they seem to be Arch-NIMBY as well so maybe just needed a green-blue bottle to go with the other 'Tory' options
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Post by steve on May 4, 2023 12:49:58 GMT
neiljAs a matter of fact at the last local elections in. Whinfield Darlington the Tories won with 30% each for their two ward councillors Labour candidates received 17% and 15% respectively and the single green candidate won 8%, no lib dem standing. So apart from assisting the Tories by splitting the anti Tory vote you have to wonder What the actual fuck they're hoping to achieve
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Post by steve on May 4, 2023 12:52:26 GMT
Another post from the Sandford " police"
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Post by steve on May 4, 2023 12:58:15 GMT
Tory voters.
"Stay home, save lives, protect the NHS''
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Post by neilj on May 4, 2023 13:13:14 GMT
Looks like the Times and some Tory MPs agree with Starmer's attack on Sunak at PMQs yesterday over his dropping of house building targets
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Post by domjg on May 4, 2023 13:32:52 GMT
Oh my God! Why is a Scottish newspaper advertising suntan lotion?  |
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Post by steve on May 4, 2023 13:58:22 GMT
In coronation bonus news.
Jamaica accelerates its plan to remove Charles as head of state and replace with an elected president.
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on May 4, 2023 13:59:06 GMT
On Ukraine, all of the signalling/assessments currently point to the following:
1) A mixture of weather and timing/quantity of Western supplies means that Ukraine's much anticipated counter-offensive will occur in the summer rather than the spring.
2) Russia is still struggling to mobilise effectively for the type of conflict it is now involved in.
3) However, as the Russians have had opportunity to dig in, and the Ukrainians wont have air-superiority, their gains are not likely to be as dramatic as last years' counter-offensives proved to be.
4) It is not likely that the war will be over by the end of the year.
5) There is still an assumption that the longer the conflict continues the more the advantage both on the field and politically/diplomatically will shift to the Russians.
Now it may be that we are just seeing a degree of expectations management/disinformation from the Ukrainians in regards to their offensive, and also western analysis has consistently over-estimated Russian strengths and under-estimated the Ukrainians. I think the latter has a big advantage in terms of morale, and modern western material may very much give them an edge. I also think what will be key, in the absence of air-superiority, is the speed in which the Ukrainians can establish their anti-air screen coverage over their advancing forces. They also need patience from their western allies and a steady, consistent and reliable supply of material.
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Post by John Chanin on May 4, 2023 14:13:08 GMT
Yes: before this I wanted to be an MP I learnt a number of things, mostly about me, and it made it clear to me that there was no prospect of me becoming an MP: (1) I am not able to dissemble my views and therefore unable to nuance responses to fit an audience (2) Whilst I can change my views based on evidence and changed circumstances I am not able to do so to fit with party stances as they change (3) I am unable to avoid giving a straight answer to a straight question, which led to me having to retreat up a garden path at speed on one occasion (4) I spent far too long on doorsteps attempting to convert the unconvertible with evidence, I might have already explained I now believe that evidence doesn't affect these stances its mostly a matter of aesthetics. Thatās a very considered analysis. I like to think about best ways of communicating given the interest in education, but the doorstep situation seems much more condensed, so it might indeed reveal quite a bit. The question of converting via evidence is something that used to crop up in the old boardā¦ (I kind of tend toward the idea that it is possible to convince with evidence a bit more often if one can line up enough ducks, which can be decidedly non-trivialā¦) You can only convince someone to change their views if they are willing to argue with you. They won't of course suddenly say "yes you're right", but they will go away and think about it, and might modify their views. If they won't engage, or just say "whatever", they won't even be listening, however convincing you might think you are. |
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Post by mercian on May 4, 2023 14:37:20 GMT
oldnat mercian I think that a basic income would do away with the need for a tax free allowance. With the technology currently available a tax policy should could have a graph curve based taxation system where the rate starts at 1% and gradually increases to whatever level is considered appropriate. But there again, unlike mercian I believe in redistribution of wealth. There are plenty of people richer than me but I don't want their money. There are plenty poorer and I give to charity which is a form of redistribution of wealth. I just don't believe in forcible redistribution of wealth, which perhaps you do? |
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Post by mercian on May 4, 2023 14:40:18 GMT
Looks pretty sensible, though I only skimmed it. It appears to be what used to be called Conservatism. Good to know that some young people have their heads screwed on. |
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Post by mercian on May 4, 2023 14:44:54 GMT
If anyone tried to ask me a question or reply to me during my recent absence and was unable to work out how to use the 'quote' or 'tag' function then, if* you want a reply, please learn how to use the 'quote' or 'tag' function - I'm not reading 20pages of posts to find a direct/indirect reply. * Of course if you never intended (or intend) for me to read your reply/comment to me then continue to not use the 'quote' or 'tag' function. Not everyone knows that you are ' Mr Poppy ' (@ c e o with no spaces), so you will miss some aimed @trevor. |
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Post by mercian on May 4, 2023 14:51:33 GMT
Why is a Scottish newspaper advertising suntan lotion? Because they see so little sun that on the one day it breaks through they will instantly sizzle. š |
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Post by wb61 on May 4, 2023 15:12:19 GMT
oldnat mercian I think that a basic income would do away with the need for a tax free allowance. With the technology currently available a tax policy should could have a graph curve based taxation system where the rate starts at 1% and gradually increases to whatever level is considered appropriate. But there again, unlike mercian I believe in redistribution of wealth. There are plenty of people richer than me but I don't want their money. There are plenty poorer and I give to charity which is a form of redistribution of wealth. I just don't believe in forcible redistribution of wealth, which perhaps you do? On that basis wouldn't that mean there should be no tax in your system save for items such as defence? As most other tax receipts are, as I understand, to a greater or lesser extent redistributive. I am not aware of any party that does not subscribe to redistribution, the argument is about the extent of such redistribution. |
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Post by bardin1 on May 4, 2023 15:26:29 GMT
Why is a Scottish newspaper advertising suntan lotion? Because they see so little sun that on the one day it breaks through they will instantly sizzle. š I realise that is a jest but I walked down to the post office just now and found myself muttering 'global warming' angrily under my breath on the way up the road. The sun is a long forgotten friend up here just now |
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Post by Mr Poppy on May 4, 2023 15:31:22 GMT
If anyone tried to ask me a question or reply to me during my recent absence and was unable to work out how to use the 'quote' or 'tag' function then, if* you want a reply, please learn how to use the 'quote' or 'tag' function - I'm not reading 20pages of posts to find a direct/indirect reply. * Of course if you never intended (or intend) for me to read your reply/comment to me then continue to not use the 'quote' or 'tag' function. Not everyone knows that you are ' Mr Poppy ' (@ c e o with no spaces), so you will miss some aimed @trevor. The 'quote' function is obvious (as you've just demonstrated). In the (difficult to believe) situation that someone doesn't know how to 'tag' someone then: click on the 'Insert User Link' icon (one to the left of 'C', three to the left of ) and start typing in 'Trevor' (or user name for whoever else someone wants to 'tag') Using 'quote' or 'tag' means a 'notification' will pop up in the 'Profile', 'notifications' box and hence makes it clear when someone has tried to reply/mention someone. Similar with 'likes' (which after the daft 'Like Police' hypocrisy t'other day) is a way to show someone you've read there post - maybe liked it, maybe thought is funny, maybe whatever. Clearly 'Like' doesn't always have to actually mean like but saves the need for a reply or further comment (eg when someone tries to claim 'black is white' or still tries to claim that there aren't ways that people can voluntarily pay more tax if they want to - I'll tag you into my post on the latter one) |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 15:32:50 GMT
There are plenty of people richer than me but I don't want their money. There are plenty poorer and I give to charity which is a form of redistribution of wealth. I just don't believe in forcible redistribution of wealth, which perhaps you do? On that basis wouldn't that mean there should be no tax in your system save for items such as defence? As most other tax receipts are, as I understand, to a greater or lesser extent redistributive. I am not aware of any party that does not subscribe to redistribution, the argument is about the extent of such redistribution. If I may- Mercian mentioned "wealth". I took that to mean as distinct from Income , which was why I liked his post. Taxes on Income are not subject to dispute for me. The rate(s) of course vary and are the subject of political difference. |
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Post by Mark on May 4, 2023 15:32:52 GMT
Looks pretty sensible, though I only skimmed it. It appears to be what used to be called Conservatism. Good to know that some young people have their heads screwed on. For me, it is mostly right wing (even far right) libertarianist rather than mainstream old-school conservatism. I really cannot see conservatives from Macmillan, Hesiltine or Major signing up to such an agenda. There are also a few ideas usually associated with the far left or even anarchist types (eg, digs at 'big pharma') and a few, frankly bizarre ideas such as re-opening coal mines for electricity. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on May 4, 2023 15:48:29 GMT
Thatās a very considered analysis. I like to think about best ways of communicating given the interest in education, but the doorstep situation seems much more condensed, so it might indeed reveal quite a bit. The question of converting via evidence is something that used to crop up in the old boardā¦ (I kind of tend toward the idea that it is possible to convince with evidence a bit more often if one can line up enough ducks, which can be decidedly non-trivialā¦) You can only convince someone to change their views if they are willing to argue with you. They won't of course suddenly say "yes you're right", but they will go away and think about it, and might modify their views. If they won't engage, or just say "whatever", they won't even be listening, however convincing you might think you are. People might also say "yes" (or that they are voting 'X') just to get you to move off their doorstep. Keep your fingers crossed behind your back if your telling a 'white lie' (not confined to just white people - just a term of phrase) At the other extreme then lengthy arguing can be a way to waste time. EG if you want to waste someone's time or see them jump through somersaults trying to justify their party's position on A, B, C policy (eg the pledge breaking and U-turns of Starmer-LAB) I can't speak for all parties in all polities but some keep* records of which houses to 'avoid' - although it was sometimes 'fun' to knock on their door anyway (eg a Remain fanatic back in the day - although that would be frowned upon by CON, then BXP didn't mind) * Not very securely in some cases although a lot of 2way between CON and UKIP/BXP back in the day depending on which election it was (eg CON for GEs, UKIP/BXP for EPs) then also not that difficult to get lists from other parties if you could plant a mole in their patch - so I hear  |
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Post by Mr Poppy on May 4, 2023 15:58:14 GMT
Looks pretty sensible, though I only skimmed it. It appears to be what used to be called Conservatism. Good to know that some young people have their heads screwed on. For me, it is mostly right wing (even far right) libertarianist rather than mainstream old-school conservatism. I really cannot see conservatives from Macmillan, Hesiltine or Major signing up to such an agenda. There are also a few ideas usually associated with the far left or even anarchist types (eg, digs at 'big pharma') and a few, frankly bizarre ideas such as re-opening coal mines for electricity.Frankly bizarre as per what they did in Germany (who then export the electricity produced via other countries to UK). Noting that Germany has a coalition that includes the 'Greens'.
āIntensive useā of German coal power plants releases additional 15 mio t of CO2 in 2022 ā reportwww.cleanenergywire.org/news/intensive-use-german-coal-power-plants-releases-additional-15-mio-t-co2-2022-reportAlso, whilst it was quite a while ago, then..
Labour Leadership contender Jeremy Corbyn vows to reopen coal mineswww.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/labour-leadership-contender-jeremy-corbyn-9817411One for the Energy thread but 'Clean Coal' (via carbon capture) would IMO be a useful transition method, especially for a lot of countries burning dirty coal straight into the atmosphere and/or importing electricity generated by burning dirty coal from abroad and pretending they no longer use much coal for electricity. NB Could import the coal to avoid reopening coal mines but that adds even more carbon via transport. |
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Post by patrickbrian on May 4, 2023 16:19:51 GMT
Looks pretty sensible, though I only skimmed it. It appears to be what used to be called Conservatism. Good to know that some young people have their heads screwed on. I'd agree with the last sentence if I could relate it in any way to joining the Heritage party! But I'm aware that many Trump supporters (for instance) look like people I could be friends with, and that many people I am (quite) friends with hold views that I consider at best delusional, while still being in many ways perfectly decent people, kind and considerate in many ways. Most of my friends who are like that were totally into Corbyn, now they could be Green or Heritage, or XR (which is like a religion for some) - definitely not Labour. I always thought Conservatives, typified by my brother in law, were sensible people whose instinct was that tradition was a good, stabilising force and that us lefties were unrealistic about human nature, but with a respect for science and logic - i.e not prone to conspiracy theories. Looking at the present government of course i might need to revise my opinion. |
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Post by norfolkandgood on May 4, 2023 16:23:56 GMT
Just voted I was struck by how archaic the process is - pencil and a list then shove it in a box to be counted by hand! I don't have much problem with photo id myself, but what would be the problem about voting (in a booth) digitally, then we'd know the result as soon as polling closed. Is there some reason I'm not aware of? It's the nearest thing I can find to time travel - walk into the polling station and step back 100 years |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on May 4, 2023 16:56:39 GMT
On the topic of the 1983 GE, I think its very hard not to see the split in the opposition and SDP breakaway as the significant factor contributing to the scale of the Tory victory. What it also did was give credence to the right-wing narrative/perception that Labour was a 'dinosaur' party out of touch etc. The latter point was driven home by the contrasting campaigns that were run - the 'slick' Tory one which was presented as modern and the Labour one which was run along more traditional lines (and the 'longest suicide note in history'). You do also have the Falklands war etc - but also the Murdoch press was coming into its own a that time and they helped amplify these factors. When you consider that they wanted to stop building new nuclear power stations, return to generating electricity from coal and leave the EEC (as it was then) without even a referendum, one might think that we had a lucky escape. So if you only had a choice between Foot or Thatcher in the era, with associated policies at the time, who do you pick Leftie? Anybody? |
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Post by neilj on May 4, 2023 17:12:51 GMT
steveAre you excited š
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on May 4, 2023 17:14:59 GMT
Apols, I didnāt mean anything bad by it, I think writing software is pretty cool. Something else being impacted by AI... No probs, I know it's the modern jargon. You're right about it being another at risk job though. A friend of mine has been struggling to write some c++ code to interface to an API. He got ChatGPT to have a go. It didn't finish, because he was just using the free test version but he said the code looked ok as far as it got. I haven't tried it out yet because I think it asked for my email address and I don't want an AI to have that (although it probably already has). That's one of the most worrying aspects - the opacity of the process. Apparently even the developers aren't always sure how a particular result has been achieved. Thereās some stuff on YouTube about it, e.g. on C++ Weekly (ācan chatGPT replace C++ programmersā) youtu.be/TIDA6pvjEE0and someone trying to use chatGPT to write a game in C++ youtu.be/6rnLQbnQZ08Not 100% sure but I think Iāve seen about some AI versions that have more transparency but canāt seem to find anything at the moāā¦ |
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Post by domjg on May 4, 2023 17:26:45 GMT
Because they see so little sun that on the one day it breaks through they will instantly sizzle. š I realise that is a jest but I walked down to the post office just now and found myself muttering 'global warming' angrily under my breath on the way up the road. The sun is a long forgotten friend up here just now To be honest it's not been that different down here. April in these parts felt more like April in Newfoundland where my sister once lived. I wondered if someone had turned off the jetstream. |
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Post by neilj on May 4, 2023 17:27:10 GMT
You do have to be careful with reports coming in from the political parties, but at the moment on my strengthometer of confidence it appears the lib-dems think they are doing very well, Labour ok and the tories badly
Noa Hoffmanns tweets are particularly interesting
Just one Example here
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Post by oldnat on May 4, 2023 17:32:03 GMT
om ongoing covid, we finally have the Daily Telegraph suggesting that there may be a stirring of realisation within the mainstream media -
Did you know bad teeth can give you heart disease? Just putting that out their, whether what we really ought to be worrying about is the collapse of the Uk dental care system?
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