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Post by shevii on Jul 7, 2023 10:58:59 GMT
Has Anthony Wells left YouGov by now? If he hasn't, he probably soon will! Just developing your World Cup 1966 theme, who are our Bobby Moore and Geoff Hurst in your metaphorical tale? Who played the killer 60 yard pass and then who rifled the ball into the roof of the net? And who is our Russian linesman too who ensured the crucial third goal was allowed. Sue Gray, perhaps? An inexact parallel universe football scenario might be that the Tories had Graham Rix as their manager before he had to resign due to a scandal and was replaced by "Super Frank" who was meant to steady the ship and didn't. Best I can do I'm afraid. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jul 7, 2023 11:09:09 GMT
Quick question for crossbat11 - why are Warwickshire CCC ridiculously wandering around calling themselves 'Birmingham' these days? Thanks, PJ, for giving me some distraction from this morning's session at Headingley! The creation of the one day cricket only entity known as Birmingham Bears was, I think, a marketing tool to promote T20 cricket in the city. Edgbaston being a suburb of Birmingham and most, but not all, of the Warwickshire members and spectators hailing from the city. They've always been a Brum-centric county cricket team but when I started watching cricket in the 60s, they used to play at outgrounds in Coventry, Nuneaton, Rugby and Stratford. There are some very strong cricket clubs in Warwickshire like Leamington and Kenilworth too. I don't quite understand why they don't take cricket to these populous towns elsewhere in the country and foster potential members. In Coventry's case, a very large city too. I do know quite a few Warwickshire members of my age and older who were outraged by the name change and don't recognise it. Mind you, they tend not to watch T20 cricket anyway. As for cricket generally, a sad day for me. Josh Tongue and Dillon Pennington leaving Worcester to go to Notts next season. Jack Haynes on his way soon, no doubt. The football-isation of cricket continues apace. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jul 7, 2023 11:10:11 GMT
Has Anthony Wells left YouGov by now? If he hasn't, he probably soon will! Just developing your World Cup 1966 theme, who are our Bobby Moore and Geoff Hurst in your metaphorical tale? Who played the killer 60 yard pass and then who rifled the ball into the roof of the net? And who is our Russian linesman too who ensured the crucial third goal was allowed. Sue Gray, perhaps? An inexact parallel universe football scenario might be that the Tories had Graham Rix as their manager before he had to resign due to a scandal and was replaced by "Super Frank" who was meant to steady the ship and didn't. Best I can do I'm afraid. Good one. I like it. Graham Rix. Forgot about him. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Jul 7, 2023 11:23:32 GMT
Quick question for crossbat11 - why are Warwickshire CCC ridiculously wandering around calling themselves 'Birmingham' these days? Thanks, PJ, for giving me some distraction from this morning's session at Headingley! The creation of the one day cricket only entity known as Birmingham Bears was, I think, a marketing tool to promote T20 cricket in the city. Edgbaston being a suburb of Birmingham and most, but not all, of the Warwickshire members and spectators hailing from the city. They've always been a Brum-centric county cricket team but when I started watching cricket in the 60s, they used to play at outgrounds in Coventry, Nuneaton, Rugby and Stratford. There are some very strong cricket clubs in Warwickshire like Leamington and Kenilworth too. I don't quite understand why they don't take cricket to these populous towns elsewhere in the country and foster potential members. In Coventry's case, a very large city too. I do know quite a few Warwickshire members of my age and older who were outraged by the name change and don't recognise it. Mind you, they tend not to watch T20 cricket anyway. As for cricket generally, a sad day for me. Josh Tongue and Dillon Pennington leaving Worcester to go to Notts next season. Jack Haynes on his way soon, no doubt. The football-isation of cricket continues apace. I can remember as a child going to watch Warwickshire playing at the Courtaulds Ground in Coventry. Sadly, I understand the ground is derelict these days. |
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Post by bardin1 on Jul 7, 2023 11:24:01 GMT
Good one. I like it. Graham Rix. Forgot about him. As a Hearts fan I would request his name is not mentioned on here ever again |
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Post by Danny on Jul 7, 2023 11:28:12 GMT
Not clear where th lab gains came from? They didnt all come from SNP. Especially as con went up also. Very low turnout, I suspect, but maybe new voters? Not all gains in elections are vote-switchers from other parties, remember. But these are percentages of those who actually voted. The total number voting doesnt make any difference. |
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Post by Danny on Jul 7, 2023 11:29:38 GMT
I think you are missing the point. Based on what he said when he visited Jenrick is actively enthusiastic about making it less welcoming and a more traumatic experience for children. His comments were along the lines of the staff needing to realise they were running a branch of law enforcement not a social service. He also demanded brightly coloured signs should be removed, so it was as grim as possible. The only reasonable conclusion one can draw is that Robert Jenrick is a disgusting and sick individual. disgusting and sick individual yes although 23 fewer letters would have sufficed
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Post by crossbat11 on Jul 7, 2023 11:44:39 GMT
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I think it has gone now, as has Coventry and North Warwicks CC, at one time one of strongest sides in West Midlands club cricket. Steve Ogrizovic, the old Sky Blues goalkeeper, used to play for them. In their clubhouse, they used to have a framed photograph on the wall of Steve clean bowling Viv Richards in a B&H Cup game. He was playing for the Minor Counties and Viv for Somerset, I think. In small print under the photo, it was mentioned that the delivery was actually deemed a no-ball! Looked good though and Viv probably didn't hear the call!
As far as I can tell, most works cricket grounds have gone now. Michells and Butlers, the Birmingham Brewery, used ho have a side that played in the Birmingham League, which was at the time one of the strongest club leagues in the country. They played at Portland Road in Edgbaston and it was a magnificent cricket ground. I think it's gone now. The M&B side is certainly no more. Griff and Coton ground in Nuneaton may have gone too. Warwickshire played there at one time. Until the early 80s.
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Post by Danny on Jul 7, 2023 11:46:42 GMT
@danny While it is correct to say that, back in the day, a bottom pinch by one of your peers in school was, to an extent, tolerated/accepted, it wouldn't be today. Two further points to make to this. Firstly, if the pinching was done by a teacher rather than a fellow 13 year old, even back then, if it came to light, it certainly would not be tolerated. Secondly, even back then - if someone had touched a fellow pupil's penis or vagina without consent, they would have been carted off to the head of year, or even the headmaster, pretty sharpish. well, I did go to one school where in retrospect I am pretty confident the headmaster was aware he was employing a paedophile. I dont think its exactly right to say bullying was permitted so much as no effective steps were taken to prevent it. This sort of thing was much more quietly ignored back then, as many retrospective cases now testify. These would never have seen the light of day had not public attitudes about what was acceptable changed since. I actually think that the post above where a suggested response was to punch pincher was more to the mark. While I think that excessive, it isnt clear these people really objected. The history of this affair seems to be no one terribly noticed on the day, but a fuss has been manufactured afterwards. That is totally the wrong way to deal with this. And the more I think about it, the more incredible I find it that people concerned were traumatised by this as they claim. It smacks much more of them being told to say this. And yes, I also have experience of those in authority using that authority to persuade people to make false allegations. 'just do it for the common good, we need to get rid of him'. Its very easy to persuade someone to upscale an incident they didnt really care about into one which traumatised them for life. That would seem to be considered a more acceptable form of coercion by an employer. |
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Post by alec on Jul 7, 2023 12:08:26 GMT
Anyone know if a home side has ever lost an Ashes series 0-5?
Bazball being found out good and proper now. Oddly enough, I suspect everyone thought that England would show some fight with the bat, but it's the bowlers who have really been doing the work. TMS said that they left 13 straightforward chances on the field in the series up to yesterday, which is an awful lot, and then if you add on the half a dozen or so barmy dismissals, no wonder we're going 3-0 down. The dropped catches gifted Australia another 120 runs yesterday, and it's the failure to get the basics right that's damaging England.
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Post by johntel on Jul 7, 2023 12:20:19 GMT
Anyone know if a home side has ever lost an Ashes series 0-5? Bazball being found out good and proper now. Oddly enough, I suspect everyone thought that England would show some fight with the bat, but it's the bowlers who have really been doing the work. TMS said that they left 13 straightforward chances on the field in the series up to yesterday, which is an awful lot, and then if you add on the half a dozen or so barmy dismissals, no wonder we're going 3-0 down. The dropped catches gifted Australia another 120 runs yesterday, and it's the failure to get the basics right that's damaging England. You forgot to mention that there's a strong correlation between Ashes success and covid restrictions in participating countries. |
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Post by graham on Jul 7, 2023 12:21:23 GMT
@danny While it is correct to say that, back in the day, a bottom pinch by one of your peers in school was, to an extent, tolerated/accepted, it wouldn't be today. Two further points to make to this. Firstly, if the pinching was done by a teacher rather than a fellow 13 year old, even back then, if it came to light, it certainly would not be tolerated. Secondly, even back then - if someone had touched a fellow pupil's penis or vagina without consent, they would have been carted off to the head of year, or even the headmaster, pretty sharpish. well, I did go to one school where in retrospect I am pretty confident the headmaster was aware he was employing a paedophile. I dont think its exactly right to say bullying was permitted so much as no effective steps were taken to prevent it. This sort of thing was much more quietly ignored back then, as many retrospective cases now testify. These would never have seen the light of day had not public attitudes about what was acceptable changed since. I actually think that the post above where a suggested response was to punch pincher was more to the mark. While I think that excessive, it isnt clear these people really objected. The history of this affair seems to be no one terribly noticed on the day, but a fuss has been manufactured afterwards. That is totally the wrong way to deal with this. And the more I think about it, the more incredible I find it that people concerned were traumatised by this as they claim. It smacks much more of them being told to say this. And yes, I also have experience of those in authority using that authority to persuade people to make false allegations. 'just do it for the common good, we need to get rid of him'. Its very easy to persuade someone to upscale an incident they didnt really care about into one which traumatised them for life. That would seem to be considered a more acceptable form of coercion by an employer. Why would former pupils be disinclined to report incidents - re -paedophiles - from the 1960s/70s or 80s? Sexual abuse was a very serious criminal offence - and I take a similar view of physical abuse by teachers who used corporal punishment to excess. Why would former pupils not expose such things? 'Revenge is a dish best served cold.' |
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Post by alec on Jul 7, 2023 12:21:25 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 7, 2023 12:22:25 GMT
Anyone know if a home side has ever lost an Ashes series 0-5? Bazball being found out good and proper now. Oddly enough, I suspect everyone thought that England would show some fight with the bat, but it's the bowlers who have really been doing the work. TMS said that they left 13 straightforward chances on the field in the series up to yesterday, which is an awful lot, and then if you add on the half a dozen or so barmy dismissals, no wonder we're going 3-0 down. The dropped catches gifted Australia another 120 runs yesterday, and it's the failure to get the basics right that's damaging England. Not yet - the three 'whitewash' series have all been of England in Australia. Not sure you can blame dropped catches on bazball. Wrong-headed selection policy in respect of wicket-keepers however ... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 13:04:25 GMT
Graham Rix. Forgot about him. He went to the World Cup in 1982 instead of Alan Devonshire. When Trevor Brooking & Kevin Keegan (and Steve Coppell) got injured we all saw how pedestrian a player Rix was. I'd have loved to see Devonshire have a crack. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 13:05:47 GMT
Anyone know if a home side has ever lost an Ashes series 0-5? Bazball being found out good and proper now. Oddly enough, I suspect everyone thought that England would show some fight with the bat, but it's the bowlers who have really been doing the work. TMS said that they left 13 straightforward chances on the field in the series up to yesterday, which is an awful lot, and then if you add on the half a dozen or so barmy dismissals, no wonder we're going 3-0 down. The dropped catches gifted Australia another 120 runs yesterday, and it's the failure to get the basics right that's damaging England. Not yet - the three 'whitewash' series have all been of England in Australia. Not sure you can blame dropped catches on bazball. Wrong-headed selection policy in respect of wicket-keepers however ... Can't understand why if you are going to play Baseball you don't play Roy, Hales and Buttler who are surely the best at it after Stokes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 13:06:18 GMT
Not yet - the three 'whitewash' series have all been of England in Australia. Not sure you can blame dropped catches on bazball. Wrong-headed selection policy in respect of wicket-keepers however ... Can't understand why if you are going to play Baseball you don't play Roy, Hales and Buttler who are surely the best at it after Stokes. And Adil Rashid. |
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Post by neilj on Jul 7, 2023 13:35:29 GMT
"Highest Labour % since the start of March"
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 51% (+3)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 5% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-)
via @omnisis, 06 - 07 Jul
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 7, 2023 14:07:27 GMT
I wonder what kind of voter Mr Jenrick is trying to appeal to.... The child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 14:08:21 GMT
Good one. I like it. Graham Rix. Forgot about him. As a Hearts fan I would request his name is not mentioned on here ever again Wot, Graham Rix??? |
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Post by alurqa on Jul 7, 2023 14:20:21 GMT
I wonder what kind of voter Mr Jenrick is trying to appeal to.... Essex pub landlords? |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jul 7, 2023 14:23:04 GMT
Graham Rix. Forgot about him. He went to the World Cup in 1982 instead of Alan Devonshire. When Trevor Brooking & Kevin Keegan (and Steve Coppell) got injured we all saw how pedestrian a player Rix was. I'd have loved to see Devonshire have a crack. Yes, agreed. Alan Devonshire was a talented midfielder. Reminded me a little of Alan Hudson. Another player strangely overlooked by England in that era. Currie, Worthington, Little and Bowles too, to name but a few. Artisans preferred to artists by managers like Revie and Greenwood. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 14:23:40 GMT
Can't understand why if you are going to play Baseball you don't play Roy, Hales and Buttler who are surely the best at it after Stokes. And Adil Rashid. McGrath called it CasBall-Casual Cricket. Spot on i reckon. |
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Post by jimjam on Jul 7, 2023 14:41:23 GMT
James, Re False recall.
IMO, it is definitely a thing but I wonder if the one of the drivers that produces false recall also overstates it.
I am thinking of the halo affect where people for some reason who voted for someone they would rather not have (or don't want to admit to voting for) or didn't vote at all, claim even in anonymous on-line surveys that they voted differently; the net result in this case is less Tory voters acknowledging their 2019 vote.
By the same token, though, there will be some non voters (perhaps a few who did vote for someone else) saying just after the election that they voted for the winning team.
Responses from panelist before GEs and just after form the basis for the false recall adjustment which if I am right may be overdone.
Intuitively I think the real picture would be close to the YG/Opinium numbers of retention but not quite that low, maybe high 40s or around 50%.
We will never know though.
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Post by neilj on Jul 7, 2023 14:41:24 GMT
Summary of this week's polls
This week has seen a boost for Labour in the polls, with their lead at a 5-month high, at the expensive of both the CONs and LDs:
LAB: 47.1% (+14.2)
CON: 25.6% (-19.2)
LDM: 9.8% (-2.0)
RFM: 5.9% (+3.8)
GRN: 5.5% (+2.8)
SNP: 3.1% (-0.9)
Changes w/ GE2019.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jul 7, 2023 14:43:12 GMT
Can't understand why if you are going to play Baseball you don't play Roy, Hales and Buttler who are surely the best at it after Stokes. And Adil Rashid. Hales, Buttler and Roy hadn't got the batting techniques nor temperaments to withstand examination by Test Match bowling. Biff baff bosh one day specialists. I'll give you Rashid though. Genuinely talented leg spinner who should have played many more Tests than he did. Gave it up for white ball cricket way too soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 14:59:07 GMT
Hales, Buttler and Roy hadn't got the batting techniques nor temperaments to withstand examination by Test Match bowling. Biff baff bosh one day specialists. I'll give you Rashid though. Genuinely talented leg spinner who should have played many more Tests than he did. Gave it up for white ball cricket way too soon. That technique complaint seems to apply to current test side except Root and Stokes |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jul 7, 2023 15:16:18 GMT
Hales, Buttler and Roy hadn't got the batting techniques nor temperaments to withstand examination by Test Match bowling. Biff baff bosh one day specialists. I'll give you Rashid though. Genuinely talented leg spinner who should have played many more Tests than he did. Gave it up for white ball cricket way too soon. That technique complaint seems to apply to current test side except Root and Stokes I think you're right. Duckett, Brooks, Mo Ali and Crawley play a lot of franchise T20 cricket now. That's where the dough is to be made. We'll have to take this on to the cricket thread though now!! |
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Post by davem on Jul 7, 2023 16:16:32 GMT
"Highest Labour % since the start of March" Westminster voting intention: LAB: 51% (+3) CON: 25% (-1) LDEM: 8% (-) REF: 5% (-2) GRN: 5% (-) via @omnisis, 06 - 07 Jul When you do the seat projections we are back into total Meltdown territory, that is before they put Mercer on the TV again. |
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