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I paid mine off by my early 40s (as has my daughter), but I was allowing for people not being astute as me. Amazed that it's as late as 59. I was semi-retired by then. What was it barbara said about Tories lacking empathy...?
My Dad bought his and my mother's still-current house in the mid 70s. It's a large-ish bungalow on a large piece of land and currently worth the best part of a £1m. My dad worked in a middle ranking civil service job. My mum never worked and brought up a number of kids.
Fast forward to today. I'm the same age my dad was when I was born, have a similarly-ranked job, no wife, no kids, yet still can't quite afford the mortgage on a £150k one-bed flat in Southampton, which is one of the best-value cities in the south. Why's that then?
If I entered my workplace pension 10% of my income would disappear, making saving/getting a mortgage even more unaffordable.
Before you answer please bear in mind student loan repayments (you may have to Google what those are) and the horrendous cost-of-living...
(EDIT: I've posted most of this exact story before but thought it worth repeating since this forum is basically boomer central  and as my mother said the other day, "well WE didn't get anything in the budget this year" as she enjoys her free state pension, my dad's ridiculous final salary one and their free bus passes. Oh, and an incredible amount of shares in my dad's ex-workplace which they bagged when it was sold off on the cheap!) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 21:56:13 GMT
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/29/tory-row-brewing-rishi-sunak-pledge-end-small-boat-crossings"The asylum seeker camps would meet international legal requirements to ensure that those who arrived were not made destitute, Jenrick said, with shelter in “repurposed barrack blocks and Portakabins” and basic medical care, but nothing that could act as “a magnet” for displaced people. “Accommodation for migrants should meet their essential living needs and nothing more,” Jenrick said. “We must not elevate the wellbeing of illegal migrants above those of the British people.” I've never liked having a Tory government but since 2019 I am ashamed of them. I think it says a lot about the reduced state of the country after 13 years of Conservative austerity, that a Government minister considers that housing refugees in anything better than a portacabin, and providing anything but the most basic of healthcare, is in danger of elevating their wellbeing above that of the British people.
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Post by JohnC on Mar 29, 2023 21:57:46 GMT
The print media isn't where most people go for News. DM etc is an outdated bogey man-aka an excuse. Top 10 news sources used by age % of all adults using each source for news nowadays. ( 2022) All Adults-top 5-BBC1/ITV/FB/BBC News/Sky News (DM/MoS-15%-tenth) Under 24s-top 5 -Instagram/FB/BBC1/Twitter/BBC website ( DM/Mos-outside top 10) Over 65-top 5-BBC1/ITV/BBC News/DM.MoS/Sky from :-https://www.ofcom.org.uk/research-and-data/tv-radio-and-on-demand/news-media/news-consumption , and where do BBC and Sky go for many if not most of their headlines - the press of course. Can't speak for the others, ITV etc., as I rarely watch them. Both BBC and SKy have their paper reviews every night, for 1.25 hours in Sky's case and the Mail, Express, Sun & Torygraph are always well featured with only the Guardian in serious opposition. In addition, there are often headlines from the press featured in the actual news broadcasts, so don't tell me that the Mail etc. are irrelevant. I sometimes watched the BBC press review on the News channel at 10.30pm, but it seems to have moved. Does anyone know where it can now be found? |
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Post by mercian on Mar 29, 2023 21:59:14 GMT
A word on tomorrow's local government by-elections; not really a vintage crop. BARKING & DAGENHAM LBC Heath ward, Lab defence - A safe Labour seat (Lab 74%, Con 26%). In the context of the previous discussion about two councillor wards we should note the admirable discipline of Conservative voters in the previous election here - their two candidates each received exactly 338 votes! GLOUCESTER DC Westgate, Con defence - the interesting contest of the night. The Lib Dem and Labour votes combined exceeded that of the Conservatives and there is no Green candidate this time. Possible Lib Dem gain (or maybe even Labour, although I would back the former as more likely). (Con 40.2, LD 27.6, Lab 19.8, Green 9.9, Ind 2.4 last time - there are Con, LD, Lab, RefUK and OMRLP candidates standing) ISLE OF ANGLESEY UA Aethwy, PC defence - Looks a safe Plaid Cymru ward. They had over 50% of the vote last time despite Labour, Conservative and Green opponents. All counting Thursday evening. Surprised to see that the OMRLP is on the ballot paper as 'Benjamin Baker'. This seems like a normal name unless I'm out of touch with some modern sitcom character or something. Where's The Incredible Flying Brick when you need him? I do note that from the OMRLP website, the candidate is actually Lord Benny Baker. 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 22:12:18 GMT
I was recently contacted by the local surgery to arrange my second 'Annual Review'. This is an initiative to call in people over 60 with current or previous health issues and give them a quick health 'MOT'. I guess I was called because I formerly took medication for high blood pressure for the best part of 25 years, but have been medication-free since retirement in 2016. A bit of a cause and effect thing going on there, I think.
They weigh you, take blood pressure, ask lifestyle questions, (e.g. smoker status, alcohol consumption, exercise regime - if any), and take some blood for, among other things, a Full Blood Count - useful for determining if one's body is fighting an infection that might not yet have revealed itself - liver function, thyroid function, blood sugar and cholesterol levels, as well as several other tests (the names of which were unfortunately wasted on me).
It strikes me that this is an excellent preventative exercise, likely to highlight issues at a relatively early stage and allow any necessary treatment to be arranged earlier, and presumably more beneficially, both for the patient and the wider NHS workload.
My question is, is this common practice throughout the nation, and if not, why not? The benefits of potential early prevention rather than later cure seem obvious.
BTW, despite expecting a shoeing for red wine consumption, my results were reassuringly completely normal. Perhaps there is something in the 'benefits' of the occasional Malbec after all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 22:13:07 GMT
leftieliberal For a long time London boroughs like Brixton, Hackney etc. were popular but places like Brighton and Frome are now where English youngsters aspire to live. Don't know about Scots or Welsh though.
My cousins both went to live in Brighton from their late teens to their mid-20s, but have now returned to live with my aunt and uncle in Totnes, Devon. It takes the same time to get to Brighton by train from Totnes as it does from Newcastle - 4.5 hours - so why not? It's a cool place (although over-crowded).
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Post by Rafwan on Mar 29, 2023 22:15:55 GMT
OK, thanks. But I don't think there is any evidence to support this view at all. It has no basis in reality. Insofar as there is any evidence (YouGov) it shows that antisemitic attitudes in the LP declined over Corbyn's term. The EHRC examined hundreds of accusations but could find only TWO cases and one of those was Ken Livingstone (tell me, do you honestly believe he is antisemitic?). Robust removal? Expulsions when Corbyn was leader were brutal. Two of the first to be ejected on this issue were both black. I can tell you that is something that makes me feel very uncomfortable. The other two cases above had already been removed before EHRC began its work. One M.P. (and former council leader) was expelled for saying the L.P. was too apologetic about its fight against antisemitism. Another (Jewish) local councillor was kicked out for making a simple play on words. This was all done under the ill-informed and self-defeating 'zero-tolerance' policy. Have I missed something or got wrong? If so I will again withdraw and apologise. Does it matter? Perhaps not. But if I am right, the view is based on a falsehood and so matches the definition of 'doctrinaire' that you previously offered and complained about. Surely everyone knows now that the anti-semitism thing was just a ruse to get rid of Corbyn because Labour members realised he was un-electable? Or perhaps, more like, because some of them realised after 2017, that despite their dire warnings, he WAS in fact electable. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Mar 29, 2023 22:18:42 GMT
I paid mine off by my early 40s (as has my daughter), but I was allowing for people not being astute as me. Amazed that it's as late as 59. I was semi-retired by then. What was it barbara said about Tories lacking empathy...?
My Dad bought his and my mother's still-current house in the mid 70s. It's a large-ish bungalow on a large piece of land and currently worth the best part of a £1m. My dad worked in a middle ranking civil service job. My mum never worked and brought up a number of kids.
Fast forward to today. I'm the same age my dad was when I was born, have a similarly-ranked job, no wife, no kids, yet still can't quite afford the mortgage on a £150k one-bed flat in Southampton, which is one of the best-value cities in the south. Why's that then?
If I entered my workplace pension 10% of my income would disappear, making saving/getting a mortgage even more unaffordable.
Before you answer please bear in mind student loan repayments (you may have to Google what those are) and the horrendous cost-of-living...
(EDIT: I've posted most of this exact story before but thought it worth repeating since this forum is basically boomer central and as my mother said the other day, "well WE didn't get anything in the budget this year" as she enjoys her free state pension, my dad's ridiculous final salary one and their free bus passes. Oh, and an incredible amount of shares in my dad's ex-workplace which they bagged when it was sold off on the cheap!) Now feeling slightly embarrassed to admit I paid off my mortgage by 43 (I did insist on a repayment one and refused the ludicrous endowment mortgages the banks were pushing in the 1990s). However, my children are totally screwed on any chance of buying a house, so I do have empathy for your pain. At least I can say I have never voted Tory.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 22:20:22 GMT
colin , and where do BBC and Sky go for many if not most of their headlines - the press of course. Can't speak for the others, ITV etc., as I rarely watch them. Both BBC and SKy have their paper reviews every night, for 1.25 hours in Sky's case and the Mail, Express, Sun & Torygraph are always well featured with only the Guardian in serious opposition. In addition, there are often headlines from the press featured in the actual news broadcasts, so don't tell me that the Mail etc. are irrelevant. I sometimes watched the BBC press review on the News channel at 10.30pm, but it seems to have moved. Does anyone know where it can now be found? I notice it seemed to stop abruptly when the Lineker affair broke. I haven't bothered looking for it since. The Sky Press Preview is in any event usually much more revealing than the pap that passes for BBC journalism these days. |
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Post by mercian on Mar 29, 2023 22:25:31 GMT
I paid mine off by my early 40s (as has my daughter), but I was allowing for people not being astute as me. Amazed that it's as late as 59. I was semi-retired by then. What was it barbara said about Tories lacking empathy...?
My Dad bought his and my mother's still-current house in the mid 70s. It's a large-ish bungalow on a large piece of land and currently worth the best part of a £1m. My dad worked in a middle ranking civil service job. My mum never worked and brought up a number of kids.
Fast forward to today. I'm the same age my dad was when I was born, have a similarly-ranked job, no wife, no kids, yet still can't quite afford the mortgage on a £150k one-bed flat in Southampton, which is one of the best-value cities in the south. Why's that then?
If I entered my workplace pension 10% of my income would disappear, making saving/getting a mortgage even more unaffordable.
Before you answer please bear in mind student loan repayments (you may have to Google what those are) and the horrendous cost-of-living...
(EDIT: I've posted most of this exact story before but thought it worth repeating since this forum is basically boomer central and as my mother said the other day, "well WE didn't get anything in the budget this year" as she enjoys her free state pension, my dad's ridiculous final salary one and their free bus passes. Oh, and an incredible amount of shares in my dad's ex-workplace which they bagged when it was sold off on the cheap!) You must be doing something wrong. My daughter bought her semi a few years ago for about the same price and has now paid it off. This was partly done by selling her terrace house which she started buying when she was 19. She's a primary school teacher and her husband has a skilled part-time manual job because he does a lot of the child care, so they're not greatly wealthy, but they don't have foreign holidays or buy expensive clothes or extravagant food or go out much except to their caravan. I suppose it's a matter of priorities. She got her degree from the OU and as far as I know didn't need a loan though I did help a bit with that. She's doing a Master's now. |
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Post by mercian on Mar 29, 2023 22:32:37 GMT
It strikes me that this is an excellent preventative exercise, likely to highlight issues at a relatively early stage and allow any necessary treatment to be arranged earlier, and presumably more beneficially, both for the patient and the wider NHS workload. My question is, is this common practice throughout the nation, and if not, why not? The benefits of potential early prevention rather than later cure seem obvious. Totally agree. I've been having them for years. This year, when I told the quack about my drinking and smoking habits, he just said 'Far be it from me to tell a man in his 70s how to live'. Top chap. 🤣. Anyway I'm sure everyone would like to know that my cholesterol is tickety-boo, and everything else is ok so I should be here for many more years yet and will be voting anti-left in person at the polling station at every opportunity. (And also annoying most of you lot) 😁 |
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You must be doing something wrong. My daughter bought her semi a few years ago for about the same price and has now paid it off. This was partly done by selling her terrace house which she started buying when she was 19. She's a primary school teacher and her husband has a skilled part-time manual job because he does a lot of the child care, so they're not greatly wealthy, but they don't have foreign holidays or buy expensive clothes or extravagant food or go out much except to their caravan. I suppose it's a matter of priorities. She got her degree from the OU and as far as I know didn't need a loan though I did help a bit with that. She's doing a Master's now. She bought it just a few years ago but has now paid it off. Wow! Just a few like 20...?
Ah... She had a house before which she sold off. How'd she get that then?
Literally nobody can do that now - a house here costs £250k minimum so a teenager would need at least £25k in their piggy bank to put down the deposit, and a very decent job to make the repayments which would be like £1.5k a month? Impossible for most teenagers.
To help you understand, I've plopped a few figures into Nationwide's website. Let's just imagine I'm a 19 year old on £40k (!) wanting to buy my house in Southampton which is worth £250k with a 10% deposit:
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Post by jimjam on Mar 29, 2023 22:39:47 GMT
Isa, I have no serious health concerns but had an MOT last year from my GP, at their instigation, at 59 years old.
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Post by jimjam on Mar 29, 2023 22:40:34 GMT
Jib, may I draw your attention to the key phrase from your quote.
''without a reasonable excuse''
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 22:45:46 GMT
By the way mercian I'm sorry your family doesn't go on more foreign holidays. You're far less likely to be a Tory if you go out and see the world, and often travels abroad are no more expensive than British ones, although the Euro/Dollar/everything has obviously nose-dived against the £ since 2016.
I spend far less on foreign holidays in a year than I do on a month's rent.
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Post by mercian on Mar 29, 2023 22:48:06 GMT
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Ok. I'm simplifying this a bit, but she started buying a terraced house 20 years ago at the age of 19 for £30K. It was quite a struggle. She sold it maybe 6? years ago for £65K. The semi they now live in cost £130k. It's quite a nice area with woods behind the house and a river over the road. I've just searched Zoopla and there are many 3-bed semis in the area for less than £200k. One is even £39k but I imagine it would need a bit of work and/or serious armament by the occupier 🤣
Perhaps you just live in the wrong place?
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Post by lens on Mar 29, 2023 22:52:52 GMT
Danny - there are "barges" and "barges". They range from little more than bare shells used for bulk carrying of coal, to the very luxurious. You may like to search for holidays on exactly such on the canals of France - you'll find them quite expensive. Ah, so instead of cheap hotels they are all being moved up to luxury nautical holidays. Dont think that quite what the minister wanted to convey? They come in all varieties - I was just giving the extremes. I know about three people who live on such (out of choice), albeit one is more in the "large narrowboat" category than a fitted out barge. None of that is to say such is necessarily a good option in relation to migrants, let alone whether there is the availability, but to blanket imply that "living on a barge" is of necessity an uncomfortable option is just not true. Coming back to the migrant issue, then it's not just the supply of barges themselves which may be a practical problem, it's finding moorings. That's an issue in itself for people who choose to live that way. I seem to remember something about passenger ships permanently stuck off London or somewhere which started causing a huge amount of pollution because of the fuel they were burning to power the ship. I've not heard much about it lately, but I think what you are referring to is not ships "permanently stuck", but when a cruise ship docks in port for a few days, they *SHOULD* take a mains feed from the local grid for all their electrical needs (which is quite a lot, with several thousand people on board). The incident you refer to (from memory) was a dispute over costing - ships refusing to pay the hook up charge, and deciding to use their onboard generators instead. I think "huge amount of pollution" is a bit of an exaggeration, but it certainly caused an element of unnecessary extra local pollution. In 2020 there were quite a few big liners moored up outside Weymouth due to collapse in cruising thanks to Covid. They were so far off shore that any mains feed wouldn't be practical, so they'd be forced to rely on own power, but I'd assume they were in a semi dormant state, and needing minimal power for a skeleton crew? |
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Post by mercian on Mar 29, 2023 22:55:42 GMT
By the way mercian I'm sorry your family doesn't go on more foreign holidays. You're far less likely to be a Tory if you go out and see the world, and often travels abroad are no more expensive than British ones, although the Euro/Dollar/everything has obviously nose-dived against the £ since 2016.
I spend far less on foreign holidays in a year than I do on a month's rent.
a) I'm not a Tory as I've said before, or at least I have voted for them sometimes in the past but not very often if at all for about 20 years. b) I don't know what my daughter votes. c) A foreign holiday wouldn't be cheaper than staying in your own caravan, though we have all taken them occasionally. d) As a rule of thumb, rent is about the same as a mortgage, so get a mortgage. there's a free gift of a house at the end of it whereas you pay rent until you die. |
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Post by JohnC on Mar 29, 2023 22:56:42 GMT
I sometimes watched the BBC press review on the News channel at 10.30pm, but it seems to have moved. Does anyone know where it can now be found? I notice it seemed to stop abruptly when the Lineker affair broke. I haven't bothered looking for it since. The Sky Press Preview is in any event usually much more revealing than the pap that passes for BBC journalism these days. A quick google shows that the last The Papers was on 2 January, so well before the Lineker affair broke. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 22:57:30 GMT
@sotonsaint Ok. I'm simplifying this a bit, but she started buying a terraced house 20 years ago at the age of 19 for £30K. It was quite a struggle. She sold it maybe 6? years ago for £65K. The semi they now live in cost £130k. It's quite a nice area with woods behind the house and a river over the road. I've just searched Zoopla and there are many 3-bed semis in the area for less than £200k. One is even £39k but I imagine it would need a bit of work and/or serious armament by the occupier 🤣 Perhaps you just live in the wrong place?
I very much like where I live, though, and why should I move to Middlesbrough TS2 which is apparently the cheapest place to buy in the UK? Would you like to?
I might quite like to live where my parents live and be afforded the same opportunities in life as they had, but the average house price there is £800k. Or Winchester - a detached in Winch is about £900k average. I didn't cause this. Fair?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 22:58:58 GMT
Isa, I have no serious health concerns but had an MOT last year from my GP, at their instigation, at 59 years old. That's interesting. Forgive me, I'm not sure of your relative neck of the woods, but that would suggest there is some wider initiative at work here. I got the impression that, locally at least, it's a 60 plus thing. Whatever, it seems that it's a widespread initiative and despite everything else that's sadly going t*ts up in the NHS at present, this useful exercise is gamely plodding on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 23:00:18 GMT
By the way mercian I'm sorry your family doesn't go on more foreign holidays. You're far less likely to be a Tory if you go out and see the world, and often travels abroad are no more expensive than British ones, although the Euro/Dollar/everything has obviously nose-dived against the £ since 2016.
I spend far less on foreign holidays in a year than I do on a month's rent.
a) I'm not a Tory as I've said before, or at least I have voted for them sometimes in the past but not very often if at all for about 20 years. b) I don't know what my daughter votes. c) A foreign holiday wouldn't be cheaper than staying in your own caravan, though we have all taken them occasionally. d) As a rule of thumb, rent is about the same as a mortgage, so get a mortgage. there's a free gift of a house at the end of it whereas you pay rent until you die.
No, since Liz Truss played at being PM a mortgage on the property I rent would now be 10% more than my rent is (assuming a 10% deposit).
How much did the caravan cost?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 23:04:23 GMT
I notice it seemed to stop abruptly when the Lineker affair broke. I haven't bothered looking for it since. The Sky Press Preview is in any event usually much more revealing than the pap that passes for BBC journalism these days. A quick google shows that the last The Papers was on 2 January, so well before the Lineker affair broke. Very prescient of them. They used to regularly advertise it, too - "He's taking stock of the situation" etc. |
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Post by ptarmigan on Mar 29, 2023 23:12:15 GMT
I paid mine off by my early 40s (as has my daughter), but I was allowing for people not being astute as me. Amazed that it's as late as 59. I was semi-retired by then. What was it barbara said about Tories lacking empathy...?
My Dad bought his and my mother's still-current house in the mid 70s. It's a large-ish bungalow on a large piece of land and currently worth the best part of a £1m. My dad worked in a middle ranking civil service job. My mum never worked and brought up a number of kids.
Fast forward to today. I'm the same age my dad was when I was born, have a similarly-ranked job, no wife, no kids, yet still can't quite afford the mortgage on a £150k one-bed flat in Southampton, which is one of the best-value cities in the south. Why's that then?
If I entered my workplace pension 10% of my income would disappear, making saving/getting a mortgage even more unaffordable.
Before you answer please bear in mind student loan repayments (you may have to Google what those are) and the horrendous cost-of-living...
(EDIT: I've posted most of this exact story before but thought it worth repeating since this forum is basically boomer central and as my mother said the other day, "well WE didn't get anything in the budget this year" as she enjoys her free state pension, my dad's ridiculous final salary one and their free bus passes. Oh, and an incredible amount of shares in my dad's ex-workplace which they bagged when it was sold off on the cheap!) Yep, very much echo this. I think I'm probably a similar age to you and this very closely mirrors my own experience. I'm in my late 30s and I've been able to get a foot on the ladder within the last 2-3 years, but to some extent that's mere good fortune considering my parents were able to help out a little with a deposit. Certainly, a lot of people's personal circumstances (sky-high rents, bills, lack of family support) will dictate that owning property is simply a pipe dream and I can only see things being even tougher for younger millennials and Gen Z. It's about time housing was prioritised as a political issue. |
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Post by JohnC on Mar 29, 2023 23:13:01 GMT
A quick google shows that the last The Papers was on 2 January, so well before the Lineker affair broke. Very prescient of them. They used to regularly advertise it, too - "He's taking stock of the situation" etc. It seems to have been a casualty of the merger of the BBC News channel and the BBC World News channel. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 23:13:10 GMT
It strikes me that this is an excellent preventative exercise, likely to highlight issues at a relatively early stage and allow any necessary treatment to be arranged earlier, and presumably more beneficially, both for the patient and the wider NHS workload. My question is, is this common practice throughout the nation, and if not, why not? The benefits of potential early prevention rather than later cure seem obvious. Totally agree. I've been having them for years. This year, when I told the quack about my drinking and smoking habits, he just said 'Far be it from me to tell a man in his 70s how to live'. Top chap. 🤣. Anyway I'm sure everyone would like to know that my cholesterol is tickety-boo, and everything else is ok so I should be here for many more years yet and will be voting anti-left in person at the polling station at every opportunity. (And also annoying most of you lot) 😁 You may well be the exception that proves the rule. I'm not sure that cider and ciggies is generally accepted as the key to a long and healthy life. |
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Post by mercian on Mar 29, 2023 23:14:50 GMT
@sotonsaint Ok. I'm simplifying this a bit, but she started buying a terraced house 20 years ago at the age of 19 for £30K. It was quite a struggle. She sold it maybe 6? years ago for £65K. The semi they now live in cost £130k. It's quite a nice area with woods behind the house and a river over the road. I've just searched Zoopla and there are many 3-bed semis in the area for less than £200k. One is even £39k but I imagine it would need a bit of work and/or serious armament by the occupier 🤣 Perhaps you just live in the wrong place?
I very much like where I live, though, and why should I move to Middlesbrough TS2 which is apparently the cheapest place to buy in the UK? Would you like to?
I might quite like to live where my parents live and be afforded the same opportunities in life as they had, but the average house price there is £800k. Or Winchester - a detached in Winch is about £900k average. I didn't cause this. Fair?
The usual route is to start off with somewhere that you can afford, and then gradually trade up. I started with an ex-council house for £8k in a rough part of Birmingham (Birmingham started selling council houses in the 1970s). I could never have afforded where I live now. I didn't even have a car until I got a company car. There didn't seem any point learning to drive until I could afford one. I might have missed this, but was your parents' house their first one? |
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Post by mercian on Mar 29, 2023 23:15:44 GMT
You may well be the exception that proves the rule. I'm not sure that cider and ciggies is generally accepted as the key to a long and healthy life. Top-quality genes. 🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 23:16:38 GMT
Very prescient of them. They used to regularly advertise it, too - "He's taking stock of the situation" etc. It seems to have been a casualty of the merger of the BBC News channel and the BBC World News channel. Ah, I see. Probably no great loss in the overall scheme of things. |
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and as my mother said the other day, "well WE didn't get anything in the budget this year" as she enjoys her free state pension, my dad's ridiculous final salary one and their free bus passes. Oh, and an incredible amount of shares in my dad's ex-workplace which they bagged when it was sold off on the cheap!)
