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Post by oldnat on Mar 23, 2023 16:51:38 GMT
I've always wondered why the Scottish Parliament building is decorated with that strange hair-dryer or power drill motif. Now's my chance to ask! The architect for the Parliament, Enric Miralles, said that his west window panels at the 2004 Scottish Parliament Building invoked the form of The Skating Minister - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skating_Minister |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 23, 2023 16:52:57 GMT
Whilst there are 'house effects' between different polling companies then most of them would come up with a similar finding to this Savanta post: Being once again the focus of press attention this week then 'brand damage' from Boris is likely to continue to hold CON VI back. I suspect that most non-political people see Rishi Sunak in much the way they saw John Major. The only question is when the General Election finally comes will it be John Major (1992) or John Major (1997)? The upside for Labour I can see is that no-one can imagine Starmer doing a Neil Kinnock at the Sheffield Rally a week before the General Election. If it had not been for his triumphalism, we might have had a hung parliament or even a small Labour overall majority. If we're doing hypotheticals again then had Miliband avoided his sandwich incident then GE'15 outcome might have been a hung parliament, no EURef, no Brexit, etc. Well we can't change the past but the comparison between now and the past is usually to GE'24 being something similar to GE'97 (ie Rishi can recover some, not all, of the 'brand damage' and combined with a recovering economy reduce the current LAB lead into the next GE). I can't remember Blair making any 'errors' into GE'97 and whilst Starmer is no Blair then he doesn't seem the type to make gaffes.
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Post by steve on Mar 23, 2023 16:54:09 GMT
Starmer paying a marginal tax rate entirely consistent with his income and nominal secondary income compared to multi millionaire Sunak
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 23, 2023 16:56:30 GMT
steve - "So on a statistical basis I should probably be dead by now." No. On a statistical basis, you should be half dead by now.  Like Schrodinger's cat.... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 17:00:24 GMT
colin - Collins Dictionary: "to speak untruthfully with intent to mislead or deceive" Cambridge dictionary - "to say something that is not true in order to deceive" Oxford similar. So I think the definition does require intent to qualify as a lie. But yes, he deserves nothing but contempt, for his defence, as much as his crime. I watched it all and I thought the Committee missed a few questions. Notably on the basis for his belief that the assemblies complied with Social Distancing Guidelines. Not once did any of them say that this belief can only be valid if the mitigations for failure to social distance were in place and reasonable-and then ask him what mitigations were put in place. There was a brief opportunity to get him on this when Harman observed that glasses were presumably poured and passed from person to person. Johnson grunted and the moment passed. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 17:20:48 GMT
There was a brief opportunity to get him on this when Harman observed that glasses were presumably poured and passed from person to person. Johnson grunted and the moment passed. I don't think it matters. Apart from a committed rump, everybody has lost patience with him. They'll kick him out, by election or not. His behaviour goes beyond party machinations now. |
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Post by bardin1 on Mar 23, 2023 17:26:57 GMT
I've always wondered why the Scottish Parliament building is decorated with that strange hair-dryer or power drill motif. Now's my chance to ask! It's actually a giant Jenga game Every time the UK Internal Market Act is invoked by Westminster a piece is removed. A special 'bump the bar table' rule also exists in that if the Tories get back in power in Scotland it automatically falls down |
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Post by domjg on Mar 23, 2023 17:30:24 GMT
I suspect that most non-political people see Rishi Sunak in much the way they saw John Major. The only question is when the General Election finally comes will it be John Major (1992) or John Major (1997)? The upside for Labour I can see is that no-one can imagine Starmer doing a Neil Kinnock at the Sheffield Rally a week before the General Election. If it had not been for his triumphalism, we might have had a hung parliament or even a small Labour overall majority. If Stamer is not Kinnock he isn't 1990s style Blair either. This is closer to Major v Major -(but one Major is saddled with 13 years of failure and the legacy of Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss). It's even closer to Sunak vs Starmer.. (Sorry..) Maybe in years to come future contests will be compared to Sunak vs Starmer. I'm sure Graham can think of a comparison from pre-history |
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Post by peterbell on Mar 23, 2023 17:50:39 GMT
colin wrote "According to the Institute for Government Harman's Committee has stated that it is investigating whether, if a statement made by Johnson to the Commons is found to have been misleading, it was “inadvertent, reckless, or intentional.” Well misleading is beyond doubt. And even if we discount "intentional" on the basis you allude to-he believed the events were permitted under the Guidelines as necessary work related events-"reckless" must surely apply ?" Totally agree that reckless must apply. This morning, I was discussing yesterdays events with a couple of mates who had not watched the live committee and I advised them that I had come to the same conclusion re "reckless". Based on Johnson's lying defence (it is all he knows what to do), it is my opinion that the committee have been very sensible in the way they have worded the charge by including "misled" and "reckless". As someone said in an earlier post, Johnson seems to believe that everything he says is true, he is a pathological liar, but the use of "misled" and "reckless" bypass his reasoning yesterday. Almost everyone but Johnson will agree that he is guilty on this basis.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 23, 2023 18:05:46 GMT
Starmer either has crap accountants or his tax return for 2021/22 is wrong (or at best 'misleading'). "It revealed that he made capital gains of £85,466 in the financial year 2021/22, on which he paid £23,930 in capital gains tax."news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-publishes-his-tax-returns-12840776That is 28% but ignores the tax free allowance and costs that would reduce that to below 28%. www.gov.uk/tax-sell-property/work-out-your-gainI would guess the actual gain was a bit over £100k, with £3k-ish of deductible costs and £12.3k CGT allowance, resulting in a figure of £85,466 which is then x28% for the CGT he paid. Anyway in the "who pays the most tax" contest then Rishi is the winner by a long way and perhaps he'd be kind enough to give his accountants details to Starmer if Starmer struggles with maths  * CGT is very easy to calculate and has to be reported and paid within 60days of sale of a property. He might well have not used accountants for such a simple calculation, in which case he is the crap accountant - hardly inspiring for someone wanting to be PM. |
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Post by neilj on Mar 23, 2023 18:18:09 GMT
Starmer paying a marginal tax rate entirely consistent with his income and nominal secondary income compared to multi millionaire Sunak Yes a huge difference to Sunak, he paid 33% tax, Sunak only 22% on a much bigger income. It also looks like he didn't claim the tax free allowance of £12,300 on his CGT, good on him Sunak's case does show our tax system is badly in need of reform if someone earning nearly £5m only pays tax at a rate of 22% |
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Post by barbara on Mar 23, 2023 18:22:26 GMT
anyone know why is this happening when I try to add an attachment that is under 1mb?
Error: This forum has exceeded its attachment space limit. Your file cannot be uploaded
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Post by barbara on Mar 23, 2023 18:24:49 GMT
colin - Collins Dictionary: "to speak untruthfully with intent to mislead or deceive" Cambridge dictionary - "to say something that is not true in order to deceive" Oxford similar. So I think the definition does require intent to qualify as a lie. But yes, he deserves nothing but contempt, for his defence, as much as his crime. “That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, that’s not a big deal. And if it is, that’s not my fault. And if it was, I didn’t mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.” James O'brien went through this this morning and apart from the last one - this is exactly the process Johnson went through re partygate. |
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Post by barbara on Mar 23, 2023 18:33:29 GMT
Starmer paying a marginal tax rate entirely consistent with his income and nominal secondary income compared to multi millionaire Sunak Yes a huge difference to Sunak, he paid 33% tax, Sunak only 22% on a much bigger income. It also looks like he didn't claim the tax free allowance of £12,300 on his CGT, good on him Sunak's case does show our tax system is badly in need of reform if someone earning nearly £5m only pays tax at a rate of 22% Ben Kentish on LBC this afternoon did a piece on whether Sunak's wealth meant he could not empathise with poor people. One man rang up and said that the fact that he has structured his tax affairs so as to only pay 23% suggests he doesn't have empathy. Kentish replied that it was all entirely legal and did the man expect Sunak to pay more than was legal. And that lots of rich people do it. The man said 'YES' I was driving at the time and was shouting at the radio that lots of people are not prime minister and in a position to change the law to ensure rich people pay at least the same as poor people. The reason we are in this situation is that for centuries this country has been led by rich people who have skewed the tax system so that they pay less than the rest of us who only receive PAYE wages. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 18:33:42 GMT
Great that this chap left the New Model Tories but shame he joined Labour. No upstanding party should accept anyone who's stood for the Tories since 2019. |
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Post by neilj on Mar 23, 2023 18:42:00 GMT
Explains part of the reason for why Sunak pays so little tax
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 18:45:11 GMT
In fairness to Penny Mordaunt this is a great putdown of Andrew Bridgen I like what she said but goodness me it was painful getting there. I stopped counting at 12 um's/ah's in one of her sentences because it was hurting my brain. Is it a New Model Tory thing to be so bloody boring? Thank goodness she didn't become prime minister.
Nothing to do with the fact she's from Portsmouth of course!
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Post by jib on Mar 23, 2023 18:46:47 GMT
anyone know why is this happening when I try to add an attachment that is under 1mb? Error: This forum has exceeded its attachment space limit. Your file cannot be uploadedI blame steve . Nothing to do with me. If the forum has reached the limit for attachments, it's possible to mass delete them via the Manage Attachments page. In your admin area, select the Settings option, then choose Manage Attachments on the following menu. The following page will give you an overview of your attachment space, your current attachment settings, and each attachment posted on the forum. Attachments Attachment Plan – Your current choice of attachment plan. This will always be Free until you've purchased more attachment space, after which the name will correspond with your new plan. Max Per Attachment – The maximum file size allowed to be attached to a post. This only applies to each individual attachment you have on the post (for example, if the size limit is 1 MB, you can attach three 1 MB files to one post). Max Files Per Post – The maximum amount of files allowed to be attached to a single post on the forum with your current plan. Maximum Bandwidth – The maximum amount of attachment data that can be downloaded from the forum each month. Once you've exceeded this limit in a single month, attachment downloads will be disabled until the next month. Settings Enable Attachments – Choose whether or not to allow users to attach files to their posts on the forum. Who can post attachments – Choose who has permission to attach files to their posts on your forum. Attachments Per Post – How many files you want to permit your members to attach to posts on your forum. This can be any number from 1 to your Max Files Per Post. Maximum Attachment Size – The largest file size allowed in an attachment. This can be as large as your plan's Max Per Attachment or as low as 1 MB. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 18:54:01 GMT
Yes a huge difference to Sunak, he paid 33% tax, Sunak only 22% on a much bigger income. It also looks like he didn't claim the tax free allowance of £12,300 on his CGT, good on him Sunak's case does show our tax system is badly in need of reform if someone earning nearly £5m only pays tax at a rate of 22% I think fundamentally Starmer is a good man. He may be a bit wooden (like Mordaunt, actually) but whether you like his performance as Leader of the Opposition or not I'd rather have him in charge than any from the current regime.
Hopefully the electorate will agree with me.
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Post by leftieliberal on Mar 23, 2023 18:54:17 GMT
anyone know why is this happening when I try to add an attachment that is under 1mb? Error: This forum has exceeded its attachment space limit. Your file cannot be uploadedI had the same message. Here is the Help page link: support.proboards.com/thread/460878/managing-attachmentsIt looks like Mark will need to fix it. |
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Post by barbara on Mar 23, 2023 18:56:08 GMT
anyone know why is this happening when I try to add an attachment that is under 1mb? Error: This forum has exceeded its attachment space limit. Your file cannot be uploadedI blame steve . Nothing to do with me. If the forum has reached the limit for attachments, it's possible to mass delete them via the Manage Attachments page. In your admin area, select the Settings option, then choose Manage Attachments on the following menu. The following page will give you an overview of your attachment space, your current attachment settings, and each attachment posted on the forum. Attachments Attachment Plan – Your current choice of attachment plan. This will always be Free until you've purchased more attachment space, after which the name will correspond with your new plan. Max Per Attachment – The maximum file size allowed to be attached to a post. This only applies to each individual attachment you have on the post (for example, if the size limit is 1 MB, you can attach three 1 MB files to one post). Max Files Per Post – The maximum amount of files allowed to be attached to a single post on the forum with your current plan. Maximum Bandwidth – The maximum amount of attachment data that can be downloaded from the forum each month. Once you've exceeded this limit in a single month, attachment downloads will be disabled until the next month. Settings Enable Attachments – Choose whether or not to allow users to attach files to their posts on the forum. Who can post attachments – Choose who has permission to attach files to their posts on your forum. Attachments Per Post – How many files you want to permit your members to attach to posts on your forum. This can be any number from 1 to your Max Files Per Post. Maximum Attachment Size – The largest file size allowed in an attachment. This can be as large as your plan's Max Per Attachment or as low as 1 MB. I presume mark has to do this? |
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Post by shevii on Mar 23, 2023 18:57:47 GMT
anyone know why is this happening when I try to add an attachment that is under 1mb? Error: This forum has exceeded its attachment space limit. Your file cannot be uploadedI blame steve . Nothing to do with me. That's true but I do blame you for the message I got that said this forum has run out of yellow paint :-) |
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Post by jib on Mar 23, 2023 19:11:22 GMT
I blame steve . Nothing to do with me. That's true but I do blame you for the message I got that said this forum has run out of yellow paint :-) But I prefer orange. |
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Post by steve on Mar 23, 2023 19:15:00 GMT
jib I've tried drawing the attachments in crayon but no dice. Actually I think everyone has the same issue so it's presumably a forum wide of pro boards issue. Shame I had some blinder memes to share!
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Post by oldnat on Mar 23, 2023 19:18:53 GMT
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Post by oldnat on Mar 23, 2023 19:20:20 GMT
That's true but I do blame you for the message I got that said this forum has run out of yellow paint :-) But I prefer orange. |
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Post by mercian on Mar 23, 2023 19:24:38 GMT
The reason we are in this situation is that for centuries this country has been led by rich people who have skewed the tax system so that they pay less than the rest of us who only receive PAYE wages. There have been attempts to tax wealth in the past, but they usually fail. The window tax was perhaps the most famous, and resulted in many windows being bricked up as can still be seen on old buildings. I also found out recently that the reason modern bricks are bigger than the ones on old mansions etc is because of the brick tax which meant that bricks suddenly became much bigger to reduce liability. I think we have to face facts and realise that most people's natural inclination is to pay as little tax as possible. Either legally or in some cases illegally. I certainly don't want to pay any more tax than I have to, though of course I recognise that some taxes have to be paid and I doubt if my affairs are maximally tax-efficient. |
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Post by steve on Mar 23, 2023 19:25:23 GMT
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Post by steve on Mar 23, 2023 19:29:47 GMT
mercianThe reason why Sunak paid £300000 less in is because along with the rest of the Tory party he voted to reduce the top rate of CGT in 2016 a tax rate only paid by the wealthiest. You don't have to look back to previous centuries just the last decade.
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Post by jib on Mar 23, 2023 19:31:36 GMT
The reason we are in this situation is that for centuries this country has been led by rich people who have skewed the tax system so that they pay less than the rest of us who only receive PAYE wages. There have been attempts to tax wealth in the past, but they usually fail. The window tax was perhaps the most famous, and resulted in many windows being bricked up as can still be seen on old buildings. I also found out recently that the reason modern bricks are bigger than the ones on old mansions etc is because of the brick tax which meant that bricks suddenly became much bigger to reduce liability. I think we have to face facts and realise that most people's natural inclination is to pay as little tax as possible. Either legally or in some cases illegally. I certainly don't want to pay any more tax than I have to, though of course I recognise that some taxes have to be paid and I doubt if my affairs are maximally tax-efficient. I sort of agree, but my personal view is that tax should target wealth, not income. I would say that the opportunity to offset tax should be there. It's sad that you can pay PAYE and NI all your life, and in your hour of need and you end up in a care home, the Local Authority can apply a punitive wealth tax and force you to sell your home to pay for end of life care. |
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