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Post by steve on Mar 22, 2023 15:13:58 GMT
Spaffer utter car crash.
It's wonderful to watch
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Post by oldnat on Mar 22, 2023 15:17:45 GMT
What utterly crap procedures that antiquated HoC uses. No wonder that it is inefficient and incompetent.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 22, 2023 15:23:59 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Mar 22, 2023 15:25:19 GMT
Anyone know what the penalty is for lying under oath to a parliamentary committee. If we are going down that route then Johnson's in big trouble already. According to Dante the 2nd circle of Hell is Lust, the 3rd Gluttony, the 4th Greed, the 8th Fraud and the 9th Treachery. |
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Post by alec on Mar 22, 2023 15:27:23 GMT
Just me, or do people see a certain symmetry in the fact that while Johnson faces up to the truth in London, on the other side of the pond, Trump is awaiting to hear if he is to be charged for falsifying records.
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Post by jimjam on Mar 22, 2023 15:28:05 GMT
As advised several weeks ago Selfie Stick Steve (Baker) was crucial in the getting many Brexiteers to accept the WF.
Chris HH as well but he less influential I think.
I hear both have become exasperated with the DUP whilst affording them respect publicly of course.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 15:35:13 GMT
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Post by graham on Mar 22, 2023 15:35:49 GMT
Apparently 48 Tory MPs did not vote - some being intentional abstentions whilst others were authorised absences. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 22, 2023 15:43:41 GMT
As advised several weeks ago Selfie Stick Steve (Baker) was crucial in the getting many Brexiteers to accept the WF. Chris HH as well but he less influential I think. I hear both have become exasperated with the DUP whilst affording them respect publicly of course. Baker was probably more influential with the outer layers of the ERG onion shallnot and perhaps soon to be Sir Selfie Stick Steve to the likes of you and I  Maybe also parachuted into a new parish*? The outcome of the vote was never in question but Rishi will be happy that the rebellion was embarrassingly small for Boris and LAB's votes weren't needed - although as per backing Boris's deal in Jan'20 then nice that LAB have signed themselves up to the WF and the 'unfinished business' (loose end) of Brexit is now tied off and finished. Future 'mini-deals' perhaps, bilaterally or UK-EC, but Brexit is now finally and completely done for the whole of UK and not just GB. * Wycombe is very marginal so either a safer seat into GE'24 and/or a nicer job (the junior NI job is pretty low in the pecking order). As for Patel then 🤦🏾♀️. A dead sheep like IDS is no surprise but Patel is disappointing. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Mar 22, 2023 15:44:36 GMT
Just me, or do people see a certain symmetry in the fact that while Johnson faces up to the truth in London, on the other side of the pond, Trump is awaiting to hear if he is to be charged for falsifying records. There is a nicely mocked up picture doing the rounds on twitter of Trump, Johnson and Putin in orange jump suits at prison visiting time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 15:53:12 GMT
Just me, or do people see a certain symmetry in the fact that while Johnson faces up to the truth in London, on the other side of the pond, Trump is awaiting to hear if he is to be charged for falsifying records. There is a nicely mocked up picture doing the rounds on twitter of Trump, Johnson and Putin in orange jump suits at prison visiting time. |
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Post by jayblanc on Mar 22, 2023 15:59:57 GMT
Apparently 48 Tory MPs did not vote - some being intentional abstentions whilst others were authorised absences. It was enough that without opposition support, it could not have passed. Had this been a confidence motion without opposition support, we'd now be going to a general election... As is, the Sunak government is effectively hamstrung by making clear he has to fight between the diverging wings of his party for every vote in the house. If the Lords gut the Illegal Migration Bill with amendments, as many expect them to do, there's going to be a big struggle to keep everyone in line during ping-pong. I'd also make a note of the 22 Tories who voted nay. Those are the post-Sunak leadership candidates. |
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Post by steve on Mar 22, 2023 16:07:13 GMT
Pjw1961
Perhaps Spaffer can get an all zone pass.
No wonder nearly everyone in downing street caught covid.
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Post by neilj on Mar 22, 2023 16:08:50 GMT
A lot of tory abstentions
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Post by alec on Mar 22, 2023 16:16:36 GMT
Apparently twitter has blocked the Atlarntic spoof site, because of it's humorous attacks on covid minimizing, so a new spoof has been established. This is a particularly amusing tweet -
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 22, 2023 16:18:35 GMT
Whilst most certainly not my party then I was surprised to see LDEM vote for Rishi's WF. They drone on about having not backed Boris's "oven ready (for GB)" deal but have now agreed to Rishi's deal that has wrapped up the left overs. So much for the 'elephant in the room' stuff from the recent Glee Club meeting as we see that even LDEM want to move on (as do the SNATS, WNATS, solo Green and the non-unionist NI MPs that bother to show up). As a protest party looking for something to protest about then I thought LDEM might want to appear to be different and not back Rishi's deal - able to then fool some 'Purple Passport' types that LDEM would give people their purple passports back. Also of note the DUP have learned that going on strike doesn't work as Rishi adopts a 'no surrender to the DUP' approach |
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Post by davwel on Mar 22, 2023 16:23:08 GMT
Johnson making use of the Metropolitan Police assessment of the partying!!!
I thought that other Tories believe they are a discredited outfit, unreliable and need reform. But Johnson rejects statements from Dominic Cummings since he is unreliable - double standards.
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Post by domjg on Mar 22, 2023 16:36:39 GMT
There is a nicely mocked up picture doing the rounds on twitter of Trump, Johnson and Putin in orange jump suits at prison visiting time. Why has Putin got crutches? For a second I thought it was supposed to be Harvey Weinstein. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Mar 22, 2023 16:43:54 GMT
Apparently twitter has blocked the Atlarntic spoof site, because of it's humorous attacks on covid minimizing, so a new spoof has been established. This is a particularly amusing tweet - I quite liked the reply: “They might help a little on the individual level but they don't help on a population level. They can even be considered detrimental when the affects of dryness-debt are taken into account.” |
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Post by mandolinist on Mar 22, 2023 16:46:32 GMT
Anyone know what the penalty is for lying under oath to a parliamentary committee. It feels like it should be a spell in the tower, but I suspect he will get away with it again. |
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Post by Rafwan on Mar 22, 2023 16:57:57 GMT
It is not fanciful if a Labour PM could command a majority in the Commons for key votes. LD could have provided that but chose instead the Tories. As Graham points out, the numbers were there (and as Andrew Adonis also pointed out in his excellent account ‘5 Days in May’). Perhaps Graham Stringer and Douglas Alexander, as members elected on a Labour ticket, might have been a little more steely in the defence of their constituents against the forthcoming onslaught of a Tory government. It just wouldn't have been a runner and the optics would have been terrible. As others have pointed out it would have been labelled a losers coalition in a print media that would have gone bananas. It would have been perceived more widely as undemocratic and almost certainly wouldn't have lasted. Labour and the LDs would have been gravely damaged by trying it and at the subsequent election the tories would probably have won big. Just supposition of course but I don't see how Labour could have stayed in power after the 2010 election. The arithmetic may have theoretically allowed it but politically and culturally it couldn't have worked. A tory minority gvt however should have been left to fail on it's own. OK, but I do think this is all wrong and has no basis in fact. A majority in the Commons is NOT undemocratic. And optics and Tory press will often be made to look bad. This can and should be faced down. Whoever picks up the baton and runs with it has the momentum; and by this token, a Tory minority gov would not have failed. All respect, but I think this is based on a good old British sense of fair play. (“The other chaps did pretty well; let them have go now”.) This often is an admirable sentiment, but here it is wholly misplaced; there really is far too much at stake. |
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Post by steve on Mar 22, 2023 17:02:08 GMT
No one in the hearing believes a word Spaffer is saying , including Spaffer.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Mar 22, 2023 17:13:24 GMT
From a very low base...
Positivity towards the government’s handling of the economy is ticking upyougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/03/22/britons-show-signs-growing-positivity-around-goverEnding the nurses strike (assuming it does end) might help the very low score for handling the NHS. On immigration (3rd most important issue) then I expect folks are waiting to see actual results. With such a low base of opinion on all three of the most important issues then Rishi has plenty of upside potential and CON VI would likely then continue to see the tide come back in - but TBC of course and I'm certainly expecting miracles with less than 2yrs to GE'24. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 17:18:12 GMT
Anyone know what the penalty is for lying under oath to a parliamentary committee. It feels like it should be a spell in the tower, but I suspect he will get away with it again. He may well get away with it, but as the YouGov poll shows, even if he does he's most definitely been found guilty in the court of public opinion, and it seems pretty apparent that his political career is effectively over.
It's inconceivable that he could regain the leadership either before, or after, the next election, and I can't imagine him slogging away as a lowly backbench MP, it would be too much of an affront to the man's ego.
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Post by alec on Mar 22, 2023 17:18:45 GMT
Quite remarkable scenes from the Ukraine conflicts emerging today. There was quite a fuss pre Christmas as images of ancient Russian T-62 tanks being brought into the front line from storage emerged, but today for the first time we are seeing T-54s coming out of warehouses for another fling on the battle field.
Russia is in such a desperate state that they are forced to use a 70 year old tank design as they've trashed so much hardware in a completely botched military campaign.
Also noteworthy were recent reports of a huge blast in Crimea last week. It is reported that Ukraine struck a train carrying Kalibre cruise missiles. Not sure if that was confirmed, but if true, a nice bonus for them.
And Bakhmut, the town that was about to fall in November, is still fighting.
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Post by steve on Mar 22, 2023 17:49:02 GMT
I remember when the rule of six applied angsting about having seven present.
I now realise it would have been fine to invite the band of the grenadier guards and the entire staff of spearmint rhino!
Thanks Spaf!
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Post by graham on Mar 22, 2023 17:49:30 GMT
A lot of tory abstentions Surprised that Nadine Dorries is not among them. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Mar 22, 2023 17:50:32 GMT
It feels like it should be a spell in the tower, but I suspect he will get away with it again. He may well get away with it, but as the YouGov poll shows, even if he does he's most definitely been found guilty in the court of public opinion, and it seems pretty apparent that his political career is effectively over.
It's inconceivable that he could regain the leadership either before, or after, the next election, and I can't imagine him slogging away as a lowly backbench MP, it would be too much of an affront to the man's ego. I don't think the voters of Uxbridge and South Ruislip will give him a chance of remaining as a lowly backbench MP, or an MP of any sort. |
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Post by steve on Mar 22, 2023 17:56:42 GMT
Johnson suggests 'unsocially distanced farewell gatherings' were allowed at work under Covid guidance.
But not at funerals, which could also be called 'farewell gatherings'
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Post by pjw1961 on Mar 22, 2023 18:00:48 GMT
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