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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 29, 2022 21:37:13 GMT
nickp at 6.50am on Tuesday, 22nd November "I expect Iran to draw with Wales and England to beat USA which would leave Wales needing to beat England reserves in the last game."
crossbat11 in response at 8.32am on Tuesday, 22nd November "Expectations unlikely to be realised. Iran to beat Wales and England to draw with the US. England to beat Wales, and US to beat Iran. England and US to qualify."I'm on for the full house. UKPR2's top football pundit in action.   Who's a clever boy, then? Full house. As if it was ever in doubt.  Go on then clever clogs - what's the forecast for England v Senegal? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 21:38:40 GMT
It's a little more complicated than that due to the fact that for historical reasons the BBC can't directly employ operational and technical staff in the North West region, so all the Camera ops, Sound , Vision, & VT working for the BBC at Media City are employed via a third party so as not to count as BBC staff, in spite of the fact that they work full time for the BBC. In the 1990s BBC Resources was split off to form a separate commercial operation. When Studio A at NBH Oxord Road was closed there was a merger with Granada resources which led to the creation of a company called 360media based at Quay St. As part of that merger the BBC signed a local no-compete clause as the intention was that the BBC & Granada would both use 360media for any tech facilities. This all predated Media City, and so when the BBC moved up north they had to find a work around, which resulted in all operational roles being subcontracted to a company called The Farm
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Post by neilj on Nov 29, 2022 21:40:46 GMT
Rashford was man of the match tonight, thoroughly deserved both on and off the pitch.
A real credit to the nation
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 29, 2022 21:43:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 21:52:17 GMT
My football prediction for tonight, from a ROC/anti-Taffs perspective, is ……. Bale to get puffed out standing and watching the match take place around him. The lads - lionhearts every one - to win 2-0, at a canter. (Well - a saunter actually.) Luvly, luvly, luvly! (Apologies to any Taffs reading this.) Thought we would ease off out of pity but otherwise, a spot-on forecast. Bale only made it until the icecream break and before then I hadn’t noticed him playing really. Only way I realised he was was because he was subbed. Anyway, it’s back to his golf course for him now. Well done to the Welsh manager and team for making it to a World Cup, it’s a fine achievement for such a small country. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 29, 2022 22:03:29 GMT
Who's a clever boy, then? Full house. As if it was ever in doubt. Go on then clever clogs - what's the forecast for England v Senegal? 1-1 after extra time. England win 4-2 on pens. Pickford saves two. England score all four. Saka nets decisive penalty. Redemption Song. |
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Post by Dave on Nov 29, 2022 22:07:09 GMT
Go on then clever clogs - what's the forecast for England v Senegal? 1-1 after extra time. England win 4-2 on pens. Pickford saves two. England score all four. Saka nets decisive penalty. Redemption Song. Rigobert’s brother? |
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 29, 2022 22:09:36 GMT
1-1 after extra time. England win 4-2 on pens. Pickford saves two. England score all four. Saka nets decisive penalty. Redemption Song. Rigobert’s brother? Brilliant, Dave! |
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Post by oldnat on Nov 29, 2022 22:28:41 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 29, 2022 22:30:01 GMT
Go on then clever clogs - what's the forecast for England v Senegal? 1-1 after extra time. England win 4-2 on pens. Pickford saves two. England score all four. Saka nets decisive penalty. Redemption Song. The part I'm struggling with there is "Pickford saves two". If you said "Pickford does over-theatrical dive in the wrong direction and confuses penalty taker into missing" I might have believed you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 22:39:39 GMT
What are the "historical reasons"? In the 1990s BBC Resources was split off to form a separate commercial operation. When Studio A at NBH Oxord Road was closed there was a merger with Granada resources which led to the creation of a company called 360media based at Quay St. As part of that merger the BBC signed a local no-compete clause as the intention was that the BBC & Granada would both use 360media for any tech facilities. This all predated Media City, and so when the BBC moved up north they had to find a work around, which resulted in all operational roles being subcontracted to a company called The Farm
A propos of nothing at all, every time I pop up to London, I go to Broadcasting House in Regent Street for lunch. For some reason, I find it very reassuring and calming. Almost a reset. As if the ghosts of Lord Reith, Tommy Handley and Richard Dimbleby spread their spiritual beneficence. Will be up there next week. Can't wait. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 29, 2022 22:47:40 GMT
1-1 after extra time. England win 4-2 on pens. Pickford saves two. England score all four. Saka nets decisive penalty. Redemption Song. The part I'm struggling with there is "Pickford saves two". If you said "Pickford does over-theatrical dive in the wrong direction and confuses penalty taker into missing" I might have believed you. I think Pickford prefers the Grobbelar wiggle in terms of putting the penalty taker off. Not sure he shares Bruce's liking for brown envelopes stuffed with used banknotes though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 22:59:12 GMT
I think I might have had a senior moment earlier today. I could have sworn I saw a post from @crofty saying something like, after all the tosh spouted on here lately, he'd had it with this place for a while and was having a sabbatical. I could certainly empathise with that. Thankfully, order has been restored and he seems to be posting with renewed vigour. Good to see.
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Post by mandolinist on Nov 29, 2022 23:10:45 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered earlier, but I have been a bit dilatory in reading UKPR2 over the last week.
Given that Christians are now a minority within the UK population, and the CofE a sect within that number (The latest census suggests) is it time for the disestablishment of the CofE?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 23:13:09 GMT
I think I might have had a senior moment earlier today. I could have sworn I saw a post from @crofty saying something like, after all the tosh spouted on here lately, he'd had it with this place for a while and was having a sabbatical. I could certainly empathise with that. Thankfully, order has been restored and he seems to be posting with renewed vigour. Good to see. Was hugely irritated for reasons I am sure you’re aware of and sympathise with - but then had a flash of deep insight and thought: “Fuck it.” So I rescinded my resignation and the world breathed a sigh of relief. Also, being a self-identifying roc is going jolly well. The rest rooms are far more plush, assistants on hand etc and one feels - how can I put it? - better than the hoi poloi. Much better in fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 23:16:15 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered earlier, but I have been a bit dilatory in reading UKPR2 over the last week. Given that Christians are now a minority within the UK population, and the CofE a sect within that number (The latest census suggests) is it time for the disestablishment of the CofE? Yes. But are you sure that “dilatory” was the word you were really looking for? |
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 29, 2022 23:17:25 GMT
I think I might have had a senior moment earlier today. I could have sworn I saw a post from @crofty saying something like, after all the tosh spouted on here lately, he'd had it with this place for a while and was having a sabbatical. I could certainly empathise with that. Thankfully, order has been restored and he seems to be posting with renewed vigour. Good to see. Was hugely irritated for reasons I am sure you’re aware of and sympathise with - but then had a flash of deep insight and thought: “Fuck it.” So I rescinded my resignation and the world breathed a sigh of relief. Also, being a self-identifying roc is going jolly well. The rest rooms are far more plush, assistants on hand etc and one feels - how can I put it? - better than the hoi poloi. Much better in fact. You are now self-identifying as a gigantic mythological bird that eats elephants! That is indeed impressive. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 23:23:21 GMT
Even more scary than that pj.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 23:26:39 GMT
I think I might have had a senior moment earlier today. I could have sworn I saw a post from @crofty saying something like, after all the tosh spouted on here lately, he'd had it with this place for a while and was having a sabbatical. I could certainly empathise with that. Thankfully, order has been restored and he seems to be posting with renewed vigour. Good to see. Was hugely irritated for reasons I am sure you’re aware of and sympathise with - but then had a flash of deep insight and thought: “Fuck it.” So I rescinded my resignation and the world breathed a sigh of relief. Also, being a self-identifying roc is going jolly well. The rest rooms are far more plush, assistants on hand etc and one feels - how can I put it? - better than the hoi poloi. Much better in fact. Good to hear. Much better to be inside the tent p*ssing in! Perhaps "the world" breathing a sigh of relief might be slightly overegging the pudding, though! The luxuriance of the ROC billet sounds very tempting. Just a step too far for me, though, I fear. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 23:30:45 GMT
Now that I am a self identifying ROC I understand that I can put motions before the house (if you know what I mean)
Accordingly, and in a spirit of brotherly goodwill, I am bringing forward a bill which will allow posters North of the border to have their very own polling site, to be called “Scottish National Polling.”
This will allow them to bang on about it without interference from those Sooth of the Border (Lady Valerie for example - she is often a bit uppity.)
Nae bother.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 23:37:04 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered earlier, but I have been a bit dilatory in reading UKPR2 over the last week.
Given that Christians are now a minority within the UK population, and the CofE a sect within that number (The latest census suggests) is it time for the disestablishment of the CofE? Certainly yesterday would have been no great loss. Nice to see you posting again BTW. |
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Post by mercian on Nov 29, 2022 23:55:50 GMT
Jeepers creepers, Mercian and Colin contemplating a Labour vote? Carfrew, shevii, ptarmigan etc, I take it all back. Starmer must be an utter duffer! P.S. I don't believe a word of it, by the way. Utter tosh. 🤔😉🤣 Well unlike some of you, I'm not a tribal voter. I often don't finally decide who to vote for until I'm in the polling booth, even if I've got a pretty good idea beforehand. I don't keep a record, but I've probably voted Tory more often than anything else (particularly when the Blessed Margaret was around). I can remember voting for the Natural Law Party (mattress bouncers) at least once and certainly UKIP and Brexit and quite likely LibDems or one of their forebears. I think I voted Green once before I discovered their extreme left stance on things other than the environment. I would definitely vote for the Monster Raving Loonies if they stood in my constituency. Anyway, I would definitely consider voting Labour if they were wholeheartedly committed to PR elections to the HoL in their first term. I can't see that happening but you never know. |
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Post by mercian on Nov 30, 2022 0:02:00 GMT
Basu also said he was proud to describe himself as “woke” – a word now routinely used by senior Tories as an insult. He explained: Are you alert to issues of racial and social justice? Yes I am. And if that is the definition of woke, I’ll wear it as a bumper sticker every day of the week. And by the way, every serving police officer, let alone a chief constable, better believe that too. We serve all of the public without fear or favour, regardless of who they look like, not just the people we like. " Agree with every word, serving police officers shouldn't be overtly political but that doesn't prevent them from having a moral and ethical compass and conducting themselves accordingly. Of course everyone should be alert to those things though definition of what they actually mean might vary. I'm not sure if there is an official definition of 'woke' is, but to me it includes the idea that a bloke can put on a dress and say he's a woman, whereas he's actually a transvestite. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 30, 2022 0:03:04 GMT
Go on then clever clogs - what's the forecast for England v Senegal? 1-1 after extra time. England win 4-2 on pens. Pickford saves two. England score all four. Saka nets decisive penalty. Redemption Song. Going for a Song, even. England haven't conceded for 180 minutes, so it's 1-0 with Rashford scoring again for me. He must be worth a punt for the Golden Boot. I liked the fact that the only booing in the stadium in Quatar was when Infantino's face appeared on the big screen. |
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Post by mercian on Nov 30, 2022 0:11:24 GMT
Just in. The boroughs with the highest numbers receiving asylum seekers are Hillingdon and Hounslow, next to Heathrow. Each has asylum seekers amount to about 1% of their total population. Most of the 3400 people are accommodated in hotels - 2600 in hotels locally and 800 'dispersed', 60 in their own sourced accommodation, the rest I presume in hotels elsewhere. There are 150 unaccompanied asylum-seeking children in one borough. A recent comparison with a provision borough with similar population (I think Cambridge) was 2 children. The sheer volume of children is putting immense pressure on the teams which are doing age assessments, placements, finance and admin tasks, as well as dealing with health needs that are not met in the hotels. This is impacting commissioning, staff wellbeing, service capacity and opening up the possibility of legal failures across the boroughs. On top of this 3400, Home Office are going on Booking.com (I made that up) and has been independently buying odd rooms around the boroughs where there's a bit of capacity (up to 80 in one hotel) One hotel I have heard of has over 800 and another nearly 700 booked by the local authority. How council officers upon the vast majority falls (on top of their day job) deals with the pressure beggars belief. I wonder how that will be received more widely when the public understand what's going on. how unfairly the problem is shared, and the impact will impact on already overstretched social etc services Can anyone explain why illegal immigrants are put up in hotels while homeless British people are left to rot? |
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Post by ptarmigan on Nov 30, 2022 0:17:11 GMT
Those census numbers on religion are rather fascinating - even back in 2001 a youthful ptarmigan would have regarded the presence of an established Church as a strange anachronism, but those figures really do chart a steep decline in religious adherence from 10 & 20 years ago. Perhaps also worth noting that census data is, if anything, likely to overstate levels of religiosity as there's always a significant subset of agnostics and non-believers who identify as "cultural Christians" (although I think people are increasingly emboldened to declare their lack of faith, which serves as a partial explanation for the sharp drop off in those identifying as religious).
Anyway, in the light of these findings, I don't really see any justification for the continuation of an established Church. A society which is increasingly atheistic and multi-faith needs a secular state that doesn't privilege any particular religion. Not sure how much political appetite there is for disestablishentarianism, but if politicians do fancy grappling with this issue, kicking the Bishops out of the Lords would be a damn good start.
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Post by mercian on Nov 30, 2022 0:19:12 GMT
I think I might have had a senior moment earlier today. I could have sworn I saw a post from @crofty saying something like, after all the tosh spouted on here lately, he'd had it with this place for a while and was having a sabbatical. I could certainly empathise with that. Thankfully, order has been restored and he seems to be posting with renewed vigour. Good to see. Was hugely irritated for reasons I am sure you’re aware of and sympathise with - but then had a flash of deep insight and thought: “Fuck it.” So I rescinded my resignation and the world breathed a sigh of relief. Also, being a self-identifying roc is going jolly well. The rest rooms are far more plush, assistants on hand etc and one feels - how can I put it? - better than the hoi poloi. Much better in fact. I assume you've been introduced to the donors? They're mostly foreign unfortunately but if they like you you're allowed to skim the party donation. |
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Post by oldnat on Nov 30, 2022 0:20:59 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered earlier, but I have been a bit dilatory in reading UKPR2 over the last week. Given that Christians are now a minority within the UK population, and the CofE a sect within that number (The latest census suggests) is it time for the disestablishment of the CofE? |
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Post by robbiealive on Nov 30, 2022 0:25:17 GMT
The forum is just over a year old. The grand total of posts is 61,000, about 160 per day, so yesterday was not unusual; it just felt like it. It's v quick to manipulate the data. Done fast. 1. 2/3rds of members have posted 0-2 times. 60 odd have posted a 100 times or more. 2. Posting is dominated by a small number. 21 with a 1,000+ posts contributed 72%! of the total as follows: (tw is a problem, ha ha, so attributed 1,500 to his various identities). 3 Tories, 2 Nats: anti-Labour 18% of Grand total 11 Labour 36% 5) 1 Lib-Dem, 4 non-aligned, confused or both 18% 10 posters with 2,000+ posts = 46% of posts. These evergreen, immortal, deathless posters: 5 Lab, I Nat, 2 Tories, 1 Lib-Dem plus Danny.
3. There is no one in the 1,000+ group who wasnt on UKPolling1 except Lulu & Barbara (Graham?)4. There are 5 women with 100+ votes who come in at just over 6% of total. 5. It would take far too long to categorise all frequent posters but the weight of posting suggests there is no Labour bias except in number of posters. Not quite so. I have posted on here (far to) many times and although I lurked on UKPR1 for about 5 years I never joined. I assume I am classified as Labour, which I wouldn't object to although in reality I am more motivated by hostility to the theory and practice of conservativism. Sorry sport. My modest review of the Forum's 1st year was to emphasise that posting was dominated by the 21 Club, who were divided equally between Labour & non-Labour voters. This puts paid to the notion that the forum is dominated by Labour echoing. Posts echo in the memory, down the passage we did not take, towards the door we never opened, into the rose garden.
Rather than agreeing or otherwise with this not-very-ground-moving point, a number of non-Labour-defined posters have expressed irritation (posters get irritated easily on this site, I do myself, otherwise known as Grumpy-Old-Man Syndrome) with the way they were categorised (not you!) & claim they not necessarily anti-Labour OR were having a Damescene Dazzle & thinking of voting Labour, despite in both cases a long history of posts critical of Labour. Indeed the forum is cluttered with the "will-she, won't-she" posters. As I self-catergorise in a straightforward manner, I intend to vote Labour (yes I know Starmer is a bigger traitor than R Macdonald, but he will be leader at the next election, so let's get on with it), I have perhaps under-estimated the degree to which other posters wrestle with the decision. I take it you will vote Labour which means you were placed in the right camp? |
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Post by mercian on Nov 30, 2022 0:38:40 GMT
I've just remembered why I logged on tonight. I had a thought about a different way to look at the recent polls. Labour have consistently in the low 50% range. This is roughly equivalent to the Leave vote in 2016, which was over 17 million. The most any political party has ever got in a UK GE is something over 14 million. Therefore if turnout in the next GE matched that in the referendum, Labour would have the landslide to end all landslides.
Somehow that size of vote seems unlikely to me. Labour do seem very likely to win an overall majority, but the last time a party got over 50% of the popular vote was back in the early 1950s if I remember correctly, and it was much more of a 2-party system back then.
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