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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 29, 2022 16:05:33 GMT
I see crofty has self-identified as ROC in order to restore some balance to this forum. I've gone a little further and actually had the operation. There's no going back now.
Just to reassure those contemplating a similar change in political leanings, the frontal lobotomy is reasonably straightforward and painless.
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Post by hireton on Nov 29, 2022 16:16:34 GMT
Indeed I do - and both SNP and SGP have different party lines on a number of issues, and their internal wranglings are just as robust as in other parties, though dwarfed by those of some of their voters on social media (just as on here).
That you are ignorant of them doesn't give your silly "Midwich Cuckoos" comparison any meaning, point, relevance or value. It was an exaggeration granted but there are always different perspectives and this is mine...... Relative to what Starmer has to do to get elected in contrast the SNP leadership seem able to govern with little real scrutiny, (on this forum anyway) and generally achieve electoral success by just turning on the anti Westminster grievance machine; they ramp up the rhetoric and bobs your uncle, you all turn into the little blue eye blond children pointing at London. From this position of relative advantage as you wave your (we're leaving the Union get out of jail card), part 2 is to then rip into Labour for it's inadequacies and inconsistencies to stymie any hope of a comeback in Scotland. Its a bit galling really though because in England and Wales, (Plaid are pretty crap) under the fptp voting system Labour is what we have to change things. Your narrative therefore grates a tad and does seem a bit....look what you are stuck with down there and by the way we're getting out. This selfish aspect of Scottish nationalism has also had real consequences for progressive politics in rUK. Having the Tories in power south of the border suits the SNPs objectives well and it seems this matters to them more than the greater good for rUK. March 1979 ushered in 18 years of Tory Govmt; December 2019 gave Johnson his big moment to wreck any chance of a decent outcome with the EU. Due to self interest in furthering their indy cause the SNP helped facilitate these setbacks for progressive politics. "Relative to what Starmer has to do to get elected in contrast the SNP leadership seem able to govern with little real scrutiny, (on this forum anyway) and generally achieve electoral success by just turning on the anti Westminster grievance machine." The SNP is subject to the same scrutiny as any other party by the Scottish Parliament, an almost overwhelmingly hostile media and the electorate together with more proportional election systems except for the Westminster Parliament . If you look at the SNP manifestos and campaigning you will see that in each election they have set out clear political programmes which have little if anything to do with an "anti-Westminster grievance machine". And the underlying implication of your perspective is that Scottish voters are uniquely gullible in voting for them. "This selfish aspect of Scottish nationalism has also had real consequences for progressive politics in rUK. Having the Tories in power south of the border suits the SNPs objectives well and it seems this matters to them more than the greater good for rUK. March 1979 ushered in 18 years of Tory Govmt; December 2019 gave Johnson his big moment to wreck any chance of a decent outcome with the EU. Due to self interest in furthering their indy cause the SNP helped facilitate these setbacks for progressive politics." This is a great betrayal narrative which is simply ahistorical. In 1979, the Labour Government had a few months to run before it had to call an election after Callaghan bottled out on calling one in autumn 1978. Whether it took place in the spring or autumn wasn't going to make any difference. The Labour Government had also caved in to its own hardline unionist backbenchers in introducing a vote requirement for the devolution referendum ( which amongst other things meant that the deceased on the electoral register voted No) which is why the SNP supported the vote of No Confidence as did the Liberals ( were they also intent on ushering in Tory rule?). And 18 years of Tory rule follow because Labour were hopeless in opposition. In December 2019, Labour as the official opposition agreed that a General Election should be held once Johnson had taken a no deal outcome off the table. He did so and Labour as well as the SNP and Lib Dems voted for a General Election. At no time did Labour support the Scottish Government's compromise proposals. In the ensuing election Labour performed disastrously; in Scotland, the Tories lost nearly half their Westminster seats. It's about time Labour and Labour voters across Great Britain, but especially in England, accepted their responsibility for their poor electoral performance. |
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Post by alec on Nov 29, 2022 16:44:07 GMT
hireton - I think you are correct, and the article you quote is also bang on the money. Living in England, as I do, the imperative for me remains, as always, keeping the Tories as far from power as possible, and that means voting Labour. I can't afford to care whether Starmer means what he says, will change once in office, or once said something different to get the members to elect him. All those matters are trivial irrelevancies in front of the mission to rescue this country from the depths to which it has sunk. Is this a good option? Arguably no, not really, or at least, it could be a lot better, but it's all I have. However, in a couple of years time, when I'm hopefully ensconced in a Scottish community somewhere up the west coast, having transferred my business and relocated hearth and home, I wouldn't, if faced with the same policy choices, dream of voting Labour. Neither Starmer, nor apparently any other senior ELab figures, appear to have grasped what is needed to persuade people like me that it's worth saving the union from a Scottish perspective, and Scotland needs to ship anchor and remove the deadweight than has been holding it back for so long. If I am able to bend my shoulder to that wheel and help in some small way, all to the good. I don't discount ever voting Labour north of the border though; there are policy choices Labour could make that could persuade me. For example, Simon Jenkins (someone I rarely agree with) came up with the idea yesterday with the brutally simple option of agreeing a Scottish Protocol, as they have with Northern Ireland. That wouldn't be enough for everyone I accept, but it would signify an English Labour Party moving away from centralization of everything in Westminster and the acceptance of the sovereignty of all the UK parliaments. Politics is as much about geography as policy, in so many ways, and while my personal politics won't change as I change my geography, my vote and tactical options to get there almost certainly will.
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 29, 2022 16:47:38 GMT
It was an exaggeration granted but there are always different perspectives and this is mine...... Relative to what Starmer has to do to get elected in contrast the SNP leadership seem able to govern with little real scrutiny, (on this forum anyway) and generally achieve electoral success by just turning on the anti Westminster grievance machine; they ramp up the rhetoric and bobs your uncle, you all turn into the little blue eye blond children pointing at London. From this position of relative advantage as you wave your (we're leaving the Union get out of jail card), part 2 is to then rip into Labour for it's inadequacies and inconsistencies to stymie any hope of a comeback in Scotland. Its a bit galling really though because in England and Wales, (Plaid are pretty crap) under the fptp voting system Labour is what we have to change things. Your narrative therefore grates a tad and does seem a bit....look what you are stuck with down there and by the way we're getting out. This selfish aspect of Scottish nationalism has also had real consequences for progressive politics in rUK. Having the Tories in power south of the border suits the SNPs objectives well and it seems this matters to them more than the greater good for rUK. March 1979 ushered in 18 years of Tory Govmt; December 2019 gave Johnson his big moment to wreck any chance of a decent outcome with the EU. Due to self interest in furthering their indy cause the SNP helped facilitate these setbacks for progressive politics. It's about time Labour ... accepted their responsibility.... Labour's responsibility since 2010, as they have always been in opposition, was their election of Jeremy Corbyn, the original Lexiteer, as leader. This is shared by their MPs who thought that lending him enough nominations to stand was enhancing democracy, and the Party members and the Unions who voted for him. Anyone who could rate the EU as only 7 out of 10 and refused to campaign with the other pro-EU groups was never likely to sway undecided LOC voters. With any other Labour leader the outcome of the Brexit referendum might well have been reversed. As for 2019, once the SNP had moved to let Johnson have his General Election, whatever any other opposition Party did was irrelevant because Tories+SNP= a majority in the Commons. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 29, 2022 17:10:55 GMT
'Most Important Election Issues' infographic from R&W's latest. Note Immigration is 3rd most important issue at 28% (+2 on the week). Folks can look for themselves lower down the list for things hardly anyone is interested in (although likely to be high variation between the nations on something like thinking Scottish Independence is an important issue) View AttachmentNo mention of Defence at a time when we're fighting a proxy war against a very powerful opponent? Even if it's included under Foreign Policy it's surprisingly low. Also some of the obsessives on here might note how low Brexit is. As per colin 's reply then some of the issue is likely to do with the wording. For a 'pick up to 3' list of options then a lot of people have probably picked 3 before they think 'oooh, Foreign Policy' does that cover Ukraine and the impact on Energy prices. It is also possible that Ukraine has lost salience for a lot of people (something Putin is possibly hoping). I admit to not following the day-day stuff in Ukraine very much but am more interested in 'local' Foreign Policy (eg the 'Entente' with our near neighbours). My 'top2' (since GE'19) would pretty much always be 1. Economy 2. Environment (which I consider to be in the broadest possible context) with 3rd place switching around a bit. I'd like to see 'Immigration' sorted so that is currently 3rd place for me. 'Housing' the other one I would prefer to be my final pick in the 'pick 3' question. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 29, 2022 17:27:35 GMT
Jeepers creepers, Mercian and Colin contemplating a Labour vote? Carfrew, shevii, ptarmigan etc, I take it all back. Starmer must be an utter duffer!
P.S. I don't believe a word of it, by the way. Utter tosh.
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Post by steve on Nov 29, 2022 17:28:31 GMT
"Neil Basu, who is standing down as assistant commissioner at Metropolitan police, has given an interview to Channel 4 News in which he has described Suella Braverman’s language about immigration as “horrific”.
Asked about Braverman saying it was her dream to read a story on the front page of the Telegraph saying a flight had left Britain carrying asylum seekers to Rwanda, Basu, the most senior police officer of colour in Britain, said:
I find some of the commentary coming out of the Home Office inexplicable …
It is unbelievable to hear a succession of very powerful politicians who look like this talking in language that my father would have remembered from the 1968. It’s horrific.
I was born in 1968. The ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech happened on the constituency next to where my parents lived and made their life hell
Basu also said he was proud to describe himself as “woke” – a word now routinely used by senior Tories as an insult. He explained:
Are you alert to issues of racial and social justice? Yes I am. And if that is the definition of woke, I’ll wear it as a bumper sticker every day of the week. And by the way, every serving police officer, let alone a chief constable, better believe that too. We serve all of the public without fear or favour, regardless of who they look like, not just the people we like. "
Agree with every word, serving police officers shouldn't be overtly political but that doesn't prevent them from having a moral and ethical compass and conducting themselves accordingly.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 29, 2022 17:30:52 GMT
Thank you for your posts with polling analysis. Yeah, I mean really, with 2yrs out then a few % in the x-breaks is not a big deal but the overall picture across polling is that LAB are looking in very good shape - far beyond the DK 'differentials' that we used to discuss now they also have significant CON'19->LAB VI net flows. I don't know the LAB front bench as well as you but Rachel and Miliband are in perfect roles for them and I have high hopes for both of them. I've also posted comments from Lammy and Cooper recently and they seem to be singing a tune I want to hear (quite surprised by Lammy I have to say). Elsewhere I'm paying more attention given LAB will almost certainly form a majority HMG after GE'24 (and quite probably further terms). Reynolds, Nandy and NTS are in the roles where I have interest so I'll need to pay a bit more attention to their views. Policy seems to be seeing a bit more flesh added to the bones but with 2yrs to a GE then obviously fair enough to keep a few things 'vague'. I'm aware some folks on UKPR2a seem to like to put everyone in a box but I'd have no problem with a LAB HMG led by Sir Keir and with the front bench that he has picked (other than Rayner who he doesn't get to pick). For many areas, notably Environment and Housing, then I expect LAB will be a lot better than CON. On many other areas then not much difference but LAB might be more able to get more stuff done than the ongoing 'rats in sack' show from CON HMG. Hence LAB sorting out their factional issues before forming the next HMG is something I've been glad to see - although I appreciate some Corbynites/istas don't. I liked Blair's comment y'day.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 17:30:52 GMT
Jeepers creepers, Mercian and Colin contemplating a Labour vote? Carfrew, shevii, ptarmigan etc, I take it all back. Starmer must be an utter duffer! P.S. I don't believe a word of it, by the way. Utter tosh. 🤔😉🤣 I see your operation has gone well Batty. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 29, 2022 17:36:46 GMT
Jeepers creepers, Mercian and Colin contemplating a Labour vote? Carfrew, shevii, ptarmigan etc, I take it all back. Starmer must be an utter duffer! P.S. I don't believe a word of it, by the way. Utter tosh. 🤔😉🤣 I see your operation has gone well Batty. The effects take a week to cut in apparently, Crofty. A week is a long time in lobotomies. It allows me to vote in the crucial Lesser Piddling North council by-election on Thursday, still unsullied by right wing thought. My vote on Thursday will be my last great service to Labour politics. After that I'm all Farage's. |
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Post by steve on Nov 29, 2022 17:37:39 GMT
"David Miliband said the public were in favour of onshore wind, but he said the “dinosaurs on the benches opposite oppose clean energy”. And he said Shapps himself was even less supportive of onshore wind than his predecessor, Jacob Rees-Mogg. Shapp’s stance was “making the Victorian of the Tory party look positively on trend”, Miliband said.
In response, Grant Shapps did not say what the government would decide when it agreed a new position on onshore wind. But he defended his preference for offshore by saying new wind turbines were “so big'” they had to go offshore. He told MPs:
These turbines are now so large, they can’t even be constructed onshore. They are so big, the turbines wouldn’t be able to be carried by roads.
They have to be put offshore. How big are they? Well, it’s actually convenient the World Cup is on, he will be able to envisage this.
These single turbines are seven football pitches in scope as they turn. They’re not buildable onshore. It’s one of the reasons why the cheapest way to build them offshore, to produce energy offshore, is to build these mammoth turbines which go together in groups of two or even up to 300. "
Shapps is predictably talking absolute bollocks , the latest design for offshore wind turbines is indeed very large but the clues in the name offshore.
The latest design for onshore wind turbines is a bladeless design that resembles a relatively short ( 3 metres) fat telephone poll.It can be assembled by a team of three.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 17:41:29 GMT
I see your operation has gone well Batty. The effects take a week to cut in apparently, Crofty. A week is a long time in lobotomies. It allows me to vote in the crucial Lesser Piddling North council by-election on Thursday, still unsullied by right wing thought. My vote on Thursday will be my last great service to Labour politics. After that I'm all Farage's. The good thing about self-identifying is that, not only do you avoid the lobotomy/scarring issues etc., you also avoid the heart operation that follows - and, apparently, is what the surgeons call: ”fucking dangerous” (and they should know.) Whereas all I need to do is talk a load of bollocks from a imaginary viewpoint. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 17:46:37 GMT
My football prediction for tonight, from a ROC/anti-Taffs perspective, is ……. Bale to get puffed out standing and watching the match take place around him.
The lads - lionhearts every one - to win 2-0, at a canter. (Well - a saunter actually.) Luvly, luvly, luvly!
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 29, 2022 17:53:28 GMT
The effects take a week to cut in apparently, Crofty. A week is a long time in lobotomies. It allows me to vote in the crucial Lesser Piddling North council by-election on Thursday, still unsullied by right wing thought. My vote on Thursday will be my last great service to Labour politics. After that I'm all Farage's. The good thing about self-identifying is that, not only do you avoid the lobotomy/scarring issues etc., you also avoid the heart operation that follows - and, apparently, is what the surgeons call: ”fucking dangerous” (and they should know.) And you can always re-identify as whatever you like next week. As the surgeons say "a lobotomy is for life, not for Christmas". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 17:55:28 GMT
The good thing about self-identifying is that, not only do you avoid the lobotomy/scarring issues etc., you also avoid the heart operation that follows - and, apparently, is what the surgeons call: ”fucking dangerous” (and they should know.) And you can always re-identify as whatever you like next week. As the surgeons say "a lobotomy is for life, not for Christmas". I might try Li(e)bDem for a bit and cheer the Jibster up. He doesn’t have a lot of friends. (Which I can’t understand.) |
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 29, 2022 18:02:56 GMT
The forum is just over a year old. The grand total of posts is 61,000, about 160 per day, so yesterday was not unusual; it just felt like it. It's v quick to manipulate the data. Done fast. 1. 2/3rds of members have posted 0-2 times. 60 odd have posted a 100 times or more. 2. Posting is dominated by a small number. 21 with a 1,000+ posts contributed 72%! of the total as follows: (tw is a problem, ha ha, so attributed 1,500 to his various identities). 3 Tories, 2 Nats: anti-Labour 18% of Grand total 11 Labour 36% 5) 1 Lib-Dem, 4 non-aligned, confused or both 18% 10 posters with 2,000+ posts = 46% of posts. These evergreen, immortal, deathless posters: 5 Lab, I Nat, 2 Tories, 1 Lib-Dem plus Danny.
3. There is no one in the 1,000+ group who wasnt on UKPolling1 except Lulu & Barbara (Graham?)4. There are 5 women with 100+ votes who come in at just over 6% of total. 5. It would take far too long to categorise all frequent posters but the weight of posting suggests there is no Labour bias except in number of posters. 6. Vistors? Not sure if the daily count is of separate visitors or the number includes those who log on more than once. Moddy Mark might know. Conclusion. Some people could post less as I suspect people who flood forums put other people off: but then, e.g., Crofty is one of the immortals & many people like his humour including myself. Not quite so. I have posted on here (far to) many times and although I lurked on UKPR1 for about 5 years I never joined. I assume I am classified as Labour, which I wouldn't object to although in reality I am more motivated by hostility to the theory and practice of conservativism. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 29, 2022 18:05:56 GMT
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 29, 2022 18:13:57 GMT
It's about time Labour ... accepted their responsibility.... Labour's responsibility since 2010, as they have always been in opposition, was their election of Jeremy Corbyn, the original Lexiteer, as leader. This is shared by their MPs who thought that lending him enough nominations to stand was enhancing democracy, and the Party members and the Unions who voted for him. Anyone who could rate the EU as only 7 out of 10 and refused to campaign with the other pro-EU groups was never likely to sway undecided LOC voters. With any other Labour leader the outcome of the Brexit referendum might well have been reversed. As for 2019, once the SNP had moved to let Johnson have his General Election, whatever any other opposition Party did was irrelevant because Tories+SNP= a majority in the Commons. Credit where credit is due. Swinson was very keen on a GE in late 2019 as well (thinking LDEM would win loads of extra seats and even briefly claiming she was 'PM in waiting'). If they really wanted EURef2 they could have put Corbyn in #10 with the 'single issue' of holding EURef2 (which Remain would almost certainly won) with the condition of a GE to quickly follow. However, in their selfish desire to have more MPs they, along with SNP, goaded Corbyn into voting with Boris for a Final Say GE. Then SNP+LDEM both came up with an excuse about the actual date for the GE hanging Corbyn and LAB, as the only credible alternative to a CON HMG, out to dry (happy to repost all the actual votes that led up to the Final Say, People's Vote #3 of GE'19) PS Did someone mention Simon Jenkins recently? Anyway, now LAB have moved back to the Centre then is there really any point in LDEM competing for Westminster seats? At a local level chez nous they are even more NIMBY than CON although fortunately don't get many seats on local/county council. At a national level...
The Lib Dems helped the Tories to victory again. Now they should disbandwww.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/16/lib-dems-tories-split-vote-labourAs mentioned before then the kind of seats LDEM hold or could win are 'NewLAB' kind of seats ('kind yuppies' or 'centrist' tribe on Electoral Calculus). |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 29, 2022 18:18:24 GMT
And you can always re-identify as whatever you like next week. As the surgeons say "a lobotomy is for life, not for Christmas". Christmas trees however.. they are just for Christmas (to 5Jan) and I can't wait any longer. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 29, 2022 18:30:33 GMT
Took a bit to time to decide but I'm going with a bipartisan Xmas tree for now - something for the dog lovers and the cat lovers of UKPR2a Advance Warne-ing that I might pick a different Xmas tree closer to Xmas as pets are for life and not just Xmas. |
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Post by guymonde on Nov 29, 2022 18:37:34 GMT
Just in. The boroughs with the highest numbers receiving asylum seekers are Hillingdon and Hounslow, next to Heathrow.
Each has asylum seekers amount to about 1% of their total population. Most of the 3400 people are accommodated in hotels - 2600 in hotels locally and 800 'dispersed', 60 in their own sourced accommodation, the rest I presume in hotels elsewhere.
There are 150 unaccompanied asylum-seeking children in one borough. A recent comparison with a provision borough with similar population (I think Cambridge) was 2 children.
The sheer volume of children is putting immense pressure on the teams which are doing age assessments, placements, finance and admin tasks, as well as dealing with health needs that are not met in the hotels. This is impacting commissioning, staff wellbeing, service capacity and opening up the possibility of legal failures across the boroughs.
On top of this 3400, Home Office are going on Booking.com (I made that up) and has been independently buying odd rooms around the boroughs where there's a bit of capacity (up to 80 in one hotel)
One hotel I have heard of has over 800 and another nearly 700 booked by the local authority.
How council officers upon the vast majority falls (on top of their day job) deals with the pressure beggars belief. I wonder how that will be received more widely when the public understand what's going on. how unfairly the problem is shared, and the impact will impact on already overstretched social etc services
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Post by alec on Nov 29, 2022 18:38:26 GMT
Bird flu - www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63464065Devastating both wild and domestic flocks. This strain has been circulating since 1996. Did the global population build up herd immunity and 'learn to live with bird flu'? Did the virus become naturally less severe? No. For some reason of random mutation, it's emerged this year in a truly deadly form, evading any immunity and killing birds by the million. That's what viruses can do. |
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I love the Welsh national anthem.
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Post by davwel on Nov 29, 2022 19:51:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 20:10:18 GMT
The forum is just over a year old. The grand total of posts is 61,000, about 160 per day, so yesterday was not unusual; it just felt like it. It's v quick to manipulate the data. Done fast. 1. 2/3rds of members have posted 0-2 times. 60 odd have posted a 100 times or more. 2. Posting is dominated by a small number. 21 with a 1,000+ posts contributed 72%! of the total as follows: (tw is a problem, ha ha, so attributed 1,500 to his various identities). 3 Tories, 2 Nats: anti-Labour 18% of Grand total 11 Labour 36% 5) 1 Lib-Dem, 4 non-aligned, confused or both 18% 10 posters with 2,000+ posts = 46% of posts. These evergreen, immortal, deathless posters: 5 Lab, I Nat, 2 Tories, 1 Lib-Dem plus Danny. 3. There is no one in the 1,000+ group who wasnt on UKPolling1 except Lulu & Barbara (Graham?) 4. There are 5 women with 100+ votes who come in at just over 6% of total. 5. It would take far too long to categorise all frequent posters but the weight of posting suggests there is no Labour bias except in number of posters. 6. Vistors? Not sure if the daily count is of separate visitors or the number includes those who log on more than once. Moddy Mark might know. Conclusion. Some people could post less as I suspect people who flood forums put other people off: but then, e.g., Crofty is one of the immortals & many people like his humour including myself. |
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Post by hireton on Nov 29, 2022 20:32:32 GMT
leftieliberal"As for 2019, once the SNP had moved to let Johnson have his General Election, whatever any other opposition Party did was irrelevant because Tories+SNP= a majority in the Commons." Corbyn and Labour had said consistently that they would support a GE once Johnson had taken a no deal Brexit off the table. When the EU Commission confirmed the deadline extension to 31 January 2020 in line with the Benn Act Corbyn made this statement after the Lib Dems and the SNP tabled a motion regarding an election: "I have consistently said that we are ready for an election and our support is subject to a no-deal Brexit being off the table, "We have now heard from the EU that the extension of Article 50 to 31st January has been confirmed, so for the next three months, our condition of taking no-deal off the table has now been met. We will now launch the most ambitious and radical campaign for real change our country has ever seen,"
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The web says 18% of BBC staff are in Salford.I often find that any shifts North or to Scotland are perceived large by folk in SE England when they are actually minor, or are only balancing to a fair share within the UK It's a little more complicated than that due to the fact that for historical reasons the BBC can't directly employ operational and technical staff in the North West region, so all the Camera ops, Sound , Vision, & VT working for the BBC at Media City are employed via a third party so as not to count as BBC staff, in spite of the fact that they work full time for the BBC. |
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Post by oldnat on Nov 29, 2022 21:15:39 GMT
The web says 18% of BBC staff are in Salford.I often find that any shifts North or to Scotland are perceived large by folk in SE England when they are actually minor, or are only balancing to a fair share within the UK It's a little more complicated than that due to the fact that for historical reasons the BBC can't directly employ operational and technical staff in the North West region, so all the Camera ops, Sound , Vision, & VT working for the BBC at Media City are employed via a third party so as not to count as BBC staff, in spite of the fact that they work full time for the BBC. |
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Post by jib on Nov 29, 2022 21:24:29 GMT
Llongyfarchiadau i Loegr. Disappointed for Wales. Maybe in 2026!?  |
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 29, 2022 21:30:07 GMT
nickp at 6.50am on Tuesday, 22nd November "I expect Iran to draw with Wales and England to beat USA which would leave Wales needing to beat England reserves in the last game."
crossbat11 in response at 8.32am on Tuesday, 22nd November "Expectations unlikely to be realised. Iran to beat Wales and England to draw with the US. England to beat Wales, and US to beat Iran. England and US to qualify."I'm on for the full house. UKPR2's top football pundit in action.   Who's a clever boy, then? Full house. As if it was ever in doubt.  |
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