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Post by thylacine on Sept 5, 2022 11:38:24 GMT
Well they did it, lol!
Absolutely insane.
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Post by thylacine on Sept 5, 2022 11:40:06 GMT
Not exactly convincing though. Party completely split
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Post by alec on Sept 5, 2022 11:40:28 GMT
Think that's 56.6% or so for Truss?
If my maths is right, that's a much less emphatic win that we expected.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 11:40:40 GMT
She gets up, totally ignoring Sunak who is sitting just to her left, and strides to the stage. Class.
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Post by alec on Sept 5, 2022 11:41:52 GMT
And for the Scots amongst us, she gets 47.1% of the eligible vote, so no cigar there.
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Post by steve on Sept 5, 2022 11:42:32 GMT
Different mouth same lies
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Post by alec on Sept 5, 2022 11:44:17 GMT
Truss - 57.4%
Sunak - 42.4%
The balance spoiled ballots.
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Post by hireton on Sept 5, 2022 11:45:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 11:48:01 GMT
She speaks like a low level manager in a department store gearing her staff up for a busy Saturday.
Still, there was one tangible item in her speech - no snap election. 2024 is the year!
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Post by davwel on Sept 5, 2022 11:49:39 GMT
So Truss has failed to win a majority of the Tory Members eligible to vote (at 47%).
Yet she demands this majority for a Scotland Indy election.
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Post by alec on Sept 5, 2022 11:50:36 GMT
If 10,464 voters switched sides, Truss would have lost, so one way of looking at this is that our next PM has effectively been chosen by 6% of the tiny electorate of the Tory party.
Once again though, much as I dislike Truss, I would suggest we are seeing a prejudiced coverage here. The BBC and others never added the constant rider to Johnson's many utterances that are doing now to Truss, which is 'how is she going to pay for this?'. Johnson, male, was afforded a significant air of credibility that is being denied Truss, female, who is simply stating the same grade of boosterish tosh that her predecessor got away with.
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Post by neilj on Sept 5, 2022 11:54:17 GMT
My sort of poll, no sign of a Truss bounce!
Edit, beaten to it by Hireton
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Post by domjg on Sept 5, 2022 11:55:46 GMT
If 10,464 voters switched sides, Truss would have lost, so one way of looking at this is that our next PM has effectively been chosen by 6% of the tiny electorate of the Tory party. Once again though, much as I dislike Truss, I would suggest we are seeing a prejudiced coverage here. The BBC and others never added the constant rider to Johnson's many utterances that are doing now to Truss, which is 'how is she going to pay for this?'. Johnson, male, was afforded a significant air of credibility that is being denied Truss, female, who is simply stating the same grade of boosterish tosh that her predecessor got away with. This is more likely to be due to BBC news recently being caught out as being actively managed by the Tories courtesy of Emily Maitliss. For a while they'll want it to look like they're holding the govt to account. Won't last as the old fear of the Tory govt's wrath will soon re-eclipse their fear of having their lack of credibility exposed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 11:56:52 GMT
If 10,464 voters switched sides, Truss would have lost, so one way of looking at this is that our next PM has effectively been chosen by 6% of the tiny electorate of the Tory party. Once again though, much as I dislike Truss, I would suggest we are seeing a prejudiced coverage here. The BBC and others never added the constant rider to Johnson's many utterances that are doing now to Truss, which is 'how is she going to pay for this?'. Johnson, male, was afforded a significant air of credibility that is being denied Truss, female, who is simply stating the same grade of boosterish tosh that her predecessor got away with. Probably true that Johnson got a free ride, but one big difference is that her tax cutting plans have been seriously questioned by Sunak, until recently Johnson's Chancellor. Blue on blue. Yes BBC being a bit belated in questioning cloud cuckoo land economics ... but should they carry on not doing so because she is a woman? |
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Post by catfuzz on Sept 5, 2022 11:57:55 GMT
If 10,464 voters switched sides, Truss would have lost, so one way of looking at this is that our next PM has effectively been chosen by 6% of the tiny electorate of the Tory party. Once again though, much as I dislike Truss, I would suggest we are seeing a prejudiced coverage here. The BBC and others never added the constant rider to Johnson's many utterances that are doing now to Truss, which is 'how is she going to pay for this?'. Johnson, male, was afforded a significant air of credibility that is being denied Truss, female, who is simply stating the same grade of boosterish tosh that her predecessor got away with. Argueably, BJ, for all his faults, comes from the same world as the media and knows how to work a crowd. Truss in the other hand doesn’t have that panache, and that lack of charisma armour means you’re just seeing the policies for what they are. |
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Post by steve on Sept 5, 2022 11:59:52 GMT
So the replacement for fucko the clown elected by just 0.1% of the electorate.
On this basis cosplay Thatcher promises to inflict as much damage for the longest time possible.
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Post by hireton on Sept 5, 2022 12:04:00 GMT
It was notable that when Truss paused after delivering her paean to Johnson in her acceptance speech there was a noticeable silence followed by weak applause from the party audience.
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Post by domjg on Sept 5, 2022 12:06:01 GMT
If 10,464 voters switched sides, Truss would have lost, so one way of looking at this is that our next PM has effectively been chosen by 6% of the tiny electorate of the Tory party. Once again though, much as I dislike Truss, I would suggest we are seeing a prejudiced coverage here. The BBC and others never added the constant rider to Johnson's many utterances that are doing now to Truss, which is 'how is she going to pay for this?'. Johnson, male, was afforded a significant air of credibility that is being denied Truss, female, who is simply stating the same grade of boosterish tosh that her predecessor got away with. Probably true that Johnson got a free ride, but one big difference is that her tax cutting plans have been seriously questioned by Sunak, until recently Johnson's Chancellor. Blue on blue. Yes BBC being a bit belated in questioning cloud cuckoo land economics ... but should they carry on not doing so because she is a woman? Indeed, at least they're doing what you'd expect from a public service broadcaster for once. I doubt it will last. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 12:07:33 GMT
It was notable that when Truss paused after delivering her paean to Johnson in her acceptance speech there was a noticeable silence followed by weak applause from the party audience. It's not surprising - they've just sacked him as being dishonest and unfit to govern. Her praise was totally out of place and stupid and probably the first of many, many stupidities we'll have to listen to. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 12:07:47 GMT
Well, I was the first to suggest Truss as the next leader some months ago and first to predict she would win once Johnson was booted out.
I want some starts next to my name.
No idea whether she will become popular with enough people for her to win an election as it is all very messy now. Certainly hope not as if we start heading towards twenty years of various Tory Prime Ministers then I fear we are in deep trub.
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Post by alec on Sept 5, 2022 12:07:59 GMT
Meanwhile, Russia says that Nordstream1 gas flows won't resume 'in full' until Western sanctions are lifted.
Those claiming that sanctions aren't working might wish to reflect on this.
On the overall position, the first three days of the month, the latest period we have data for, EU gas storage volumes grew by 0.35%, 0.36% and 0.39% respectively. That remains very much in line with the daily accretion rate that has remained very stable since early March. On August 31st, when the Nordstream pipeline was first closed, this rate fell to 0.19%, a significantly low figure. However, it now seems clear that this was just a blip. The EU continues to gather together very substantial reserves, albeit at a high price.
For some context, storage currently at 907.2758TWh, and with the highest daily withdrawal volume over the last 12 months measuring 8,710GWh, that means Europe currently has 104 days of gas at a very high consumption rate, even if they cannot source any further supplies from Norway, Netherlands or LNG. They are injecting around 4,500GWh per day, so every week adds another 3.5days of supplies at maximum withdrawal rates and zero input.
I don't think Europe is going to run out of gas this winter.
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Post by neilj on Sept 5, 2022 12:11:24 GMT
It was notable that when Truss paused after delivering her paean to Johnson in her acceptance speech there was a noticeable silence followed by weak applause from the party audience. She also used the Russian pronunciation for Kyev, not that she should know the sensitivity surrounding this, she was only Foreign Secretary after all. |
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Post by Mark on Sept 5, 2022 12:12:18 GMT
Closer than expected, but still a fairly comfortable win.
While we got the expected result, the wider point for me, is this...the tories have a whopping great majority and no shortage of MPs to chosse from. Is Liz Truss the best they could come up wih? Seriously?
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Post by mercian on Sept 5, 2022 12:18:02 GMT
Margaret Thatcher made promises of levelling up, though we didnt use that phrase back then. Its absolutley standard conservative playbook to promise levelling up, but then not deliver.
Having said that, pre Thatcher levelling up was probably an implicit goal of all post war governments. She marked the change from attempted delivery to empty promises. While I am slagging her off, I would note that the government did try to level up. Heseltine in particular attempted to help poorer areas.
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Post by domjg on Sept 5, 2022 12:19:25 GMT
I know under the circumstances it's hardly cause for celebration but at least Johnson is gone. And he won't be coming back either as that never happens in British politics
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Post by domjg on Sept 5, 2022 12:20:31 GMT
Margaret Thatcher made promises of levelling up, though we didnt use that phrase back then. Its absolutley standard conservative playbook to promise levelling up, but then not deliver.
Having said that, pre Thatcher levelling up was probably an implicit goal of all post war governments. She marked the change from attempted delivery to empty promises. While I am slagging her off, I would note that the government did try to level up. Heseltine in particular attempted to help poorer areas.
You do realise that the Thatcher government was 40 years ago? I didn't like some of the things that Wilson and Callaghan did or didn't do, but it's ancient history now. "You do realise that the Thatcher government was 40 years ago?" - Tell that to our new PM. She seems to have made a note of what the former was wearing from one day to the next. |
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Post by mercian on Sept 5, 2022 12:20:37 GMT
@danny Thatcher levelled up millions by selling publicly owned housing at a loss to the then occupiers while insuring that future generations of renters would be priced out of affordable accommodation by not replacing the lost stock. Bringing Basic rate tax down from 33% to 22(?)% was pretty good at helping the low paid in particular. |
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Post by domjg on Sept 5, 2022 12:28:57 GMT
It was notable that when Truss paused after delivering her paean to Johnson in her acceptance speech there was a noticeable silence followed by weak applause from the party audience. She also used the Russian pronunciation for Kyev, not that she should know the sensitivity surrounding this, she was only Foreign Secretary after all. A FS who Lavrov was easily able to convince that several major Russian cities were actually in Ukraine.. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 12:31:08 GMT
You do realise that the Thatcher government was 40 years ago? I didn't like some of the things that Wilson and Callaghan did or didn't do, but it's ancient history now. "You do realise that the Thatcher government was 40 years ago?" - Tell that to our new PM. She seems to have made a note of what the former was wearing from one day to the next. Hadn't got you down as a student of the clothing worn by Tory female leaders. ! You just never know about people -do you ?  |
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Post by graham on Sept 5, 2022 12:34:45 GMT
Margaret Thatcher made promises of levelling up, though we didnt use that phrase back then. Its absolutley standard conservative playbook to promise levelling up, but then not deliver.
Having said that, pre Thatcher levelling up was probably an implicit goal of all post war governments. She marked the change from attempted delivery to empty promises. While I am slagging her off, I would note that the government did try to level up. Heseltine in particular attempted to help poorer areas.
You do realise that the Thatcher government was 40 years ago? I didn't like some of the things that Wilson and Callaghan did or didn't do, but it's ancient history now. 1990 is just 32 years ago! |
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