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Post by eotw on May 14, 2022 20:26:59 GMT
So if Ukraine do win, they have to host it next year.
Have the Ukrainian people not suffered enough already?
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Post by joeboy on May 14, 2022 20:30:24 GMT
Alas, poor Chelsea. Roman knew them well. I come to bury Chelski, not to praise ‘em. The evil that teams do lives after them… ………….the fukkers. (No offence to Chelsea fans of course.) To lose on Penalties, twice, to what is apparently the 'greatest' team in history isn't bad. However, I did wonder if the Beeb commentary was provided by BBC Radio Liverpool. I'd imagine the only people offended by your comments are from Poland, I'm sure you can work out why! |
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Post by graham on May 14, 2022 20:58:23 GMT
This week’s @opiniumresearch
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poll shows Labour’s lead edging up slightly from 2 points to 3.
Con 34% (n/c)
Lab 37% (+1)
Lib Dem 12% (+2)
Green 7% (-1)
That probably equates to a Labour lead of 9% or 10% in terms of the previous methodology.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on May 14, 2022 21:03:00 GMT
As it seems to me that at least half the population of the Crewe/Stoke Oblast come from Liverpool and as I support a west London team that doesn't rely on Russian oligarch funding. May I congratulate Liverpool on the result, but I thought their singing was rubbish and the dancing nothing short of abysmal.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on May 14, 2022 21:07:55 GMT
This week’s @opiniumresearch @observeruk poll shows Labour’s lead edging up slightly from 2 points to 3. Con 34% (n/c) Lab 37% (+1) Lib Dem 12% (+2) Green 7% (-1) That probably equates to a Labour lead of 9% or 10% in terms of the previous methodology. That's Last week Con 34% Others 54% This week Con 34% Others 56% Shame the SNP aren't mentioned. |
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Post by domjg on May 14, 2022 21:09:00 GMT
UK entry probably best in many years though in fairness that wouldn't be too hard.. Poland surprising good.
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Post by hireton on May 14, 2022 21:39:28 GMT
I can't disagree with anything in this article by Nick Cohen about the Attorney Genetal:
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Post by oldnat on May 14, 2022 21:45:01 GMT
Shame the SNP aren't mentioned.
SNP 44% : SCon 20% : SLab 25% : SLD 4% : SGP 3%.
Of much greater value in understanding the polldrumish Scots electorate is the 2021 Scots Election Study
scottishelections.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Scottish-Election-Study-The-2021-Scottish-Parliament-Election.pdf
which teases out some changes. For example, graduates supporting independence are more likely to vote SGP than their less well educated compatriots. It seems possible (though also possibly just sampling problems!) that Opinium's predictive polling now give a higher LTV to SGP voters now than they did originally - who knows how Opinium's Bran Seer operation works? |
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Post by oldnat on May 14, 2022 22:01:29 GMT
caroline
On your Labour policy list, many of these areas are entirely or largely devolved – Housing, Education, Health, Crime, Business Rates, so of little interest or relevance to any voter outwith England. “Devolution” is presumably England only as well - though there have long been worrying suggestions from within Labour to copy Tory policy and bypass Holyrood.
The Climate spending is fine (though probably insufficient), while the Foreign proposal sounds like a useful (though rather minor) matter.
If Westminster Labour don't bother to address those areas of reserved powers which that Parliament/Government controls and damage Scotland, then there's no great motivation here to help them to govern England.
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Post by domjg on May 14, 2022 22:13:47 GMT
Well this is all a bit unexpected..(Eurovision).
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Post by eor on May 14, 2022 22:18:37 GMT
Think we're about to see a dramatic demonstration of a two stage election...
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Post by domjg on May 14, 2022 23:02:52 GMT
Wow Ukraine 1st UK 2nd!
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Post by pjw1961 on May 14, 2022 23:07:32 GMT
I successfully predicted 50% of that on the site a while back (the second part was a more of surprise!) |
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Post by guymonde on May 14, 2022 23:11:11 GMT
Canvassing in 2017 that is exactly what I did. I didnt canvass in 2019 & people I know who did so were abused on the famous doorstep. The unreasonable hostility to Corbyn was not exaggerated. Crossbat & others may disagree or have the details. in 2019 I was regularly beaten up for having Corbin as a leader and almost as regularly beaten up for elements in the LP not backing him properly (they had no idea of my views, I was just knocking doors trying to get him elected) This year the worst I got about the leader was a few who said Starmer is uninspiring. But the absolute pain on the doorstep was people asking me for my definition of a woman, a matter to which I had not given a lot of thought. I could understand it when it was a feminist woman asking but more often it was old men. The worst though was a woman who said she had voted Labour all her life but could not now because schoolchildren are all being indoctrinated to become trans. Sometimes there is no more to be said! |
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Post by oldnat on May 14, 2022 23:21:29 GMT
Tuned in to see the final stages of the Eurovision voting.
If Returning Officers adopted that ludicrous method of lengthy delays before announcing the numbers .......
"Candidate X, the public awarded you ...... (20 second delay) .... 43 votes".
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Post by guymonde on May 14, 2022 23:28:33 GMT
Tuned in to see the final stages of the Eurovision voting.
If Returning Officers adopted that ludicrous method of lengthy delays before announcing the numbers .......
"Candidate X, the public awarded you ...... (20 second delay) .... 43 votes". I have a colleague from Brazil who attended the recent Local election count. She finds it utterly bizarre, staying up all night whilst hundreds of clerks count bits of paper, not very accurately. She tells me in Brazil it’s all electronic and results are known in minutes after the polls close. It’s not hard! |
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Post by oldnat on May 14, 2022 23:30:27 GMT
On Twitter - so can't vouch for any veracity!
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on May 14, 2022 23:30:28 GMT
Well I think in any other year the UK would have won - but can't disagree with the message the public vote sent. Come on Ukraine!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
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Post by eor on May 14, 2022 23:32:37 GMT
oldnat what makes it particularly silly is that the second round is subtracting from a known total (2320 votes this year). So their suspense is pointless for anyone with even a vague grip on the numbers, let alone a calculator.
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Post by oldnat on May 14, 2022 23:35:56 GMT
Well I think in any other year the UK would have one - but can't disagree with the message the public vote sent. Come on Ukraine!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤  Surely two votes wouldn't have been an impossible dream? |
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Post by oldnat on May 14, 2022 23:42:08 GMT
Confirmation of the Irish poll
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Post by robbiealive on May 15, 2022 0:28:28 GMT
in 2019 I was regularly beaten up for having Corbin as a leader and almost as regularly beaten up for elements in the LP not backing him properly (they had no idea of my views, I was just knocking doors trying to get him elected) This year the worst I got about the leader was a few who said Starmer is uninspiring. But the absolute pain on the doorstep was people asking me for my definition of a woman, a matter to which I had not given a lot of thought. I could understand it when it was a feminist woman asking but more often it was old men. The worst though was a woman who said she had voted Labour all her life but could not now because schoolchildren are all being indoctrinated to become trans. Sometimes there is no more to be said! Interesting about the trans questions. Maybe these cultural things go deeper than one thinks. Of course you always get these people who say that about Labour: most of them have never voted Labour?? Carfrew is a gad fly. He's just harder to swat. |
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Post by joeboy on May 15, 2022 1:15:29 GMT
Confirmation of the Irish pollSF now seem to be consistently polling well above 30%. I've said before that their ground game is incredibly efficient, so if these figures are correct the actual SF vote could be 37% to 38%. I'm a bit wary of FF at 24% and FG down at 19%. SF gaining directly at FG's expense seems unlikely, so that would indicate considerable churn between the other parties or or just moe adjustments. But on these figures Leo will be doing well to hang on to get his turn at Taoiseach in December. Helen McEntee could yet beat Mary Lou to be the first female Taoiseach, if Fine Gael swing the axe. I can hear you thinking who is Helen McEntee! |
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Post by hireton on May 15, 2022 6:50:37 GMT
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Post by steve on May 15, 2022 6:56:55 GMT
hireton A quick and entirely unscientific survey of my household shows no support for either. It doesn't seem to put the neighbours off posting notifications for their planned street party through the door though. Otherwise they seem quite normal.
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Post by steve on May 15, 2022 6:57:56 GMT
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Post by steve on May 15, 2022 7:16:40 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on May 15, 2022 7:18:43 GMT
I have to say that I quite enjoyed the Eurovision Song Contest last night. I hadn't watched it all the way through for about 50 years, but whilst many of the songs were forgettable, I did get caught up in the protracted voting suspense and the harmless silliness and genuine enthusiasm of all those of participating. The presenters were hilarious, not always intentionally.
I particularly liked the fellow who presided over the voting. Soberly and formally dressed, certainly compared to everyone else, he sat high up in the gallery in front of a computer screen, flanked by three or four others posing similarly. Occasionally he had to intervene when a link to a country's voting panel failed. He did so in a manner that betrayed his awareness of the ridiculous process he was involved in, but he retained just enough dignity, and a self-deprecating wryness that I appreciated, to carry it off.
Which everyone involved in the event did so so too. I say bravo to that.
It was all very entertaining.
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Post by steve on May 15, 2022 7:23:52 GMT
The UK entry was actually good with a performer who could sing.
What went wrong?
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Post by hireton on May 15, 2022 7:31:09 GMT
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Surely two votes wouldn't have been an impossible dream?
