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Post by Danny on Aug 31, 2022 13:34:59 GMT
The other point Prof Altmann doesn't address is the very strong epidemiological data that shows very clearly, across multiple countries, how a large range of serious health conditions are far more likely in the period of at least a year after even mild infections. Suppose some people are healthier than others. The healthy ones are less likely to get covid symptoms or be detected as having covid at all. The group who are found to be covid positive will disproportionately represent the sickest portion of the population.
So...the sickest portion of the population has more other illnesses too over the next year?
Does covid cause weak constitution, or does weak constitution cause covid? Correlation is not causation.
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Post by Danny on Aug 31, 2022 13:51:29 GMT
I think I'd rather catch Covid than have to skip any more interminable posts about it. There was a pandemic. It killed millions of people worldwide. Some governments could have made different decisions. Vaccinations came along. Covid is no longer a major threat. End. No, not end. Most of us never needed the vaccinations, and the rest would have been better off had the safe ones just caucht it as fast as possible. We did the precise opposite of this.
I agree its par for the course for the current administration whch have made the wrong choice pretty much each time they take a major decision.
I dont forgive them for wasting a trillion pounds on covid. I dont forgive labour and most of the rest of world politicians going along like sheep because it looked the politically safe thing to do.
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Post by steve on Aug 31, 2022 13:53:15 GMT
Fun facts about the battle of Hastings.
It didn't take place at Hastings
Harold wasn't shot in the eye but was " drubbed to death " , no idea what this was but it sounds nasty.
The Bayeux tapestry isn't a tapestry it's actually a 200 foot woollen scarf.
All the above are true that Hastings was ground zero for the second worst pandemic of the twenty first century isn't.
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Post by steve on Aug 31, 2022 13:55:25 GMT
Spaffer opens his dressing up box one last time.
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Post by shevii on Aug 31, 2022 14:05:21 GMT
Hastings Rider (1969): “A man went looking for Covid, and he couldn't find it anywhere.” Could make it a time travel one where by the very act of travelling back in time to Hastings in 2019 to look for Covid, the hero causes Covid to arrive there early and then spends 5 seasons trying to correct the mistake. Unfortunately by season 2 the plot has got so complicated you give up on it- a bit like "Lost" but with Covid.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 31, 2022 14:39:05 GMT
Hastings Rider (1969): “A man went looking for Covid, and he couldn't find it anywhere.” Could make it a time travel one where by the very act of travelling back in time to Hastings in 2019 to look for Covid, the hero causes Covid to arrive there early and then spends 5 seasons trying to correct the mistake. Unfortunately by season 2 the plot has got so complicated you give up on it- a bit like "Lost" but with Covid. for all we know that already happened Shev. And Danny and Alec have both been beamed here from elsewhere to duke it out. Like Alien vs Predator! “It began on their world, it will end on ours” Speaking of “Lost”, seems as good a time as any to post this… 27bslash6.com/missy.html
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Post by chrisaberavon on Aug 31, 2022 14:48:32 GMT
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 31, 2022 14:55:39 GMT
Carfrew Both remain and brexitanians could be equally unhappy with Labour's Brexit position prior to 2019. Corbyn and the parties position on brexit acceptance under him were the reasons I left and their position still on the absurdity of making Brexit work is the primary reason I haven't rejoined. Yes, it seems as though Labour’s economic policy under Corbyn wasn’t the problem. Polling in 2017 www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/12/labour-party-voters-polls-policies-manifesto-jeremy-corbynLabour's policies more popular than Corbyn, polls show
“ The BritainThinks research for the Guardian follows a ComRes poll showing strong support for plans to renationalise energy, tax the wealthiest, and rule out a rise in the state pension age.
In the online survey of 1,000 adults for the Daily Mirror, renationalising the railways was backed by 52% of voters, with 22% opposed and 26% saying they did not know. Nationalising the energy market was supported by 49% with 24% against and 28% saying they did not know.
Labour’s most popular policy among those surveyed was banning zero-hours contracts, with 71% in favour and 16% against.
Despite the strong support for the party’s policies, only 30% agreed with the sentiment that Corbyn should be given a fair chance at leading the country, while 56% said he would be a “disaster” as prime minister.”
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 31, 2022 14:59:40 GMT
The Independent had more: “ Voters overwhelmingly back policies set out in Labour’s leaked manifesto, including nationalising the railways, building more houses and raising taxes on higher earners, according to a poll.
The ComRes survey shows around half of people support state ownership of the train network (52 per cent), energy market (49 per cent) and Royal Mail (50 per cent).” www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-manifesto-poll-voters-back-policies-jeremy-corbyn-latest-a7731536.html“Roughly a quarter of people (22, 24 and 25 per cent respectively) said they opposed the policies, outlined in the party’s draft document, which was signed off by Labour executives at a meeting on Thursday.”
“ On the plan to ban zero-hours contracts, 71 per cent said they backed the move, while just 16 per cent said they were against it.
Income tax hikes for the highest 5 per cent of earners on salaries of more than £80,000 also got the thumbs up from 65 per cent of voters, with 24 per cent opposed to higher levies.
Cameraman 'run over by Jeremy Corbyn's car' And more than half (54 per cent) of voters said they supported the policy of building 100,000 more council houses each year.”
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Post by oldnat on Aug 31, 2022 15:00:09 GMT
Guardian reports: Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 44% (+1) CON: 31% (=) LDM: 12% (+1) Via @deltapolluk , On 26-30 August, Changes w/ 22 August. Can we take a pollster seriously when they give the publication date as "31th August"?
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Post by oldnat on Aug 31, 2022 15:07:16 GMT
So HMQ has to receive and anoint Truss at Balmoral, accompanied by outgoing Johnson. There are only two vehicular accesses to Balmoral in regular use, and they could easily be blocked by protestors angry at the avoidance of democracy by the CON party. But I advise against this, since Truss and Johnson will arrive by helicopter, disembark on the Castle lawn and walk in. If crowds gather at the policy entrances, they will merely be laughed at by those in the helicopter, who enjoy antagonism and scorn the people that they have bypassed in enriching their allies. But maybe the UK Gov will order the youngsters in Crathie School to stand outside and wave Union Jacks at overhead helicopters, for the benefit of the world`s media, and to disrespect their education. It's probably a devious plot by MI5 to ensure that when Truss's unpopularity soars to unprecedented heights (in a couple of weeks or so) she can be defenestrated by insisting that she has to stay in Scotland because she was appointed PM here, and has experience of surviving Paisley.
I hear that a Canadian double agent has already been asked to ensure that she is delivered back from whence she came (though her mother says that there is no room for her any more).
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 31, 2022 15:07:47 GMT
And a bit more polling on support for other Corbyn policies in another Indy article:
“Mr Corbyn says the best way to bring down the housing benefit bill is to control private rents, which have become a larger and larger part of Britain’s housing mix in the last few decades.
According to YouGov, a plurality of the public would support the state directly setting rent levels at 45 per cent to 43 per cent. For more generalised rent controls, the pollster found earlier this year that only 6.8 per cent of the public are opposed with 59 per cent in favour.”
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“Mr Corbyn announced a £10bn plan to scrap tuition fees: £7.1bn would be the cost of providing free university education for all and £3bn would be the cost of reinstating maintenance grants scrapped by George Osborne.
Pledging to axe tuition fees entirely is so radical in today's politics that polling companies have not bothered to ask the question for years, but 49 per cent of people backed Ed Miliband's pledge to cut tuition fees from £9,000 to £6,000 earlier this year, which tells us Mr Corbyn's policy must have public backing.”
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Post by alec on Aug 31, 2022 15:07:55 GMT
mercian - "There was a pandemic." Technical correction: there is a pandemic.
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Post by Danny on Aug 31, 2022 15:08:18 GMT
All the above are true that Hastings was ground zero for the second worst pandemic of the twenty first century isn't. Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedNo epidemic in hastings spring 2020. therefore it had it earlier. Therefore it was one of the earliest places infected in the UK. Not necessarily ground zero, but it essentially certain hastings had it earlier than most of the rest of the country, and something which takes maybe three months to work through was essentially over before we started counting. Steve, seriously, explain what is wrong with the reasoning?
Its a fact supported even by the government information. Why is it politicians cannot accept that they got it all wrong. Oh...gee...thats how India was lost. (according to R4 just now, the failure of the British authorities to act in response to the 1918 flu was one of the major factors which stirred up reaction against british rule. Johnson could not be seen o do nothing, even when nothing was the right thing to do.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 15:10:31 GMT
mercian - "There was a pandemic." Technical correction: there is a pandemic. And the end is nigh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 15:13:06 GMT
All the above are true that Hastings was ground zero for the second worst pandemic of the twenty first century isn't. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentNo epidemic in hastings spring 2020. therefore it had it earlier. Therefore it was one of the earliest places infected in the UK. Not necessarily ground zero, but it essentially certain hastings had it earlier than most of the rest of the country, and something which takes maybe three months to work through was essentially over before we started counting. Steve, seriously, explain what is wrong with the reasoning?
Steve, seriously, don’t.
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Post by Danny on Aug 31, 2022 15:17:51 GMT
Here's a new one, but anyone can pop over to the covid dashboard and click up a place to see its death stats and post them here. This is torridge, which at the start of the official epidemic had just about the lowest incidence of covid in England.
You can see from the error bars just how few deaths there have been there throughout the whole recorded epidemic, and you will remember how low were cases in the SW generally for the first wave at least.
This data strongly suggest covid was well established there and therefore created wide immunity well before it officially arrived. It is therefore a better candidate for ground zero. however, as hastings is a commuter suburb of London, it is likely that london was infected from Hastings rather than Torridge. Although its also possible that by that time it was popping up all over the place esentially unnoticed.
Its very interesting the SW achieved long lasting protective immunity to covid, just as japan did somehow.
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Post by oldnat on Aug 31, 2022 15:20:48 GMT
I have seen the poll - though it wasn't "from Scotland", it's just the Scotland crossbreak of 141 souls from the usual R&W GB poll of 28 August.
The Express is somewhat imaginative in its creations. If Anthony was here, he would tell you so himself (as Para Handy would have put it).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 15:27:39 GMT
I think I'd rather catch Covid than have to skip any more interminable posts about it. There was a pandemic. It killed millions of people worldwide. Some governments could have made different decisions. Vaccinations came along. Covid is no longer a major threat. End. Just caught the end of a R4 prog on the 1918/20 Pandemic. It wasn't "Flu"-it was something much worse. It killed 50m to 100m. No one talked about it because they had just finished WW1 and had had enough .
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Post by Danny on Aug 31, 2022 15:28:18 GMT
Steve, seriously, explain what is wrong with the reasoning? Steve, seriously, don’t. Steve, seriously, cant. and nor can Alec, which is why he resorts to insults and nitpicking.
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Post by jib on Aug 31, 2022 15:36:52 GMT
Steve, seriously, cant. and nor can Alec, which is why he resorts to insults and nitpicking. 🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰 🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕🥕 🐷✈️
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 15:43:58 GMT
If crowds gather at the policy entrances, they will merely be laughed at by those in the helicopter, who enjoy antagonism and scorn the people that they have bypassed in enriching their allies. But maybe the UK Gov will order the youngsters in Crathie School to stand outside and wave Union Jacks at overhead helicopters, for the benefit of the world`s media, and to disrespect their education. I'm assuming the helicopter will be fitted with anti-missile defence systems and be covered by RAF fighter jets. Yes the local schoolchildren should be stood in ranks and told to wave and sing the national anthem whilst gazing skywards. The Queen will appear at the gates to tell them when the VIPs have departed, and they can all go back to their studies and she can resume her hols.
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Post by davwel on Aug 31, 2022 16:00:40 GMT
@ Colin:
I wasn`t clear enough.
I meant that the Crathie 5-11 year-olds would be stood on the wide verge outside their school. This would be much more photogenic for the world`s media prompted there by the UK Gov, than in the melee outside the policy gates.
Johnson and Truss do have some brains, and wouldn`t want the at-most 8 pupils to be outnumbered and out-shouted by a vulgar crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 16:09:27 GMT
@ Colin: I wasn`t clear enough. I meant that the Crathie 5-11 year-olds would be stood on the wide verge outside their school. This would be much more photogenic for the world`s media prompted there by the UK Gov, than in the melee outside the policy gates. Johnson and Truss do have some brains, and wouldn`t want the at-most 8 pupils to be outnumbered and out-shouted by a vulgar crowd. I didn't realise you are in charge of proceedings. Please have a care with those children. What are "policy gates". Does Balmoral post Tory Manifestos on its gates ? Why would the crowd be vulgar?. Do they have SNP supporters in that vicinity ?
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 31, 2022 16:21:22 GMT
Tobias Ellwood - tick; Harold Wilson - tick; Tony Benn's diaries - tick; bizarre political opinion - tick I think Chris is starting to satirize himself here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 16:24:04 GMT
Tobias Elwood - tick; Harold Wilson - tick; Tony Benn's diaries - tick; bizarre political opinion - tick I think Chris is starting to satirize himself here. Impossible. I’ve tried it.
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Post by oldnat on Aug 31, 2022 16:30:59 GMT
colin
A policy (or policies) is/are the estate grounds surrounding a mansion or castle. It would be very unusual policy that did not have a gate through which it could be entered.
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Post by alec on Aug 31, 2022 16:34:23 GMT
oldnat - "Can we take a pollster seriously when they give the publication date as "31th August"?" Yeth we can!
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Post by alec on Aug 31, 2022 16:35:38 GMT
@crofty - "And the end is nigh."
Technical correction: the end was nigh.
Things are never quite as bad as they look.
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Post by alec on Aug 31, 2022 16:40:20 GMT
Danny - there's this thing in epidemiology where infections hit different places at different levels at different times. It's why they're called 'waves'. If you stand on any beach, you might spot that often, waves hit different parts of the beach at different times, with some waves being bigger than others. What you are showing isn't evidence than anything other than the normal progression of a pandemic. You're lost in the thickets of statistics, displaying the most amateur ability at analysis. Give it up - it's a hopeless cause, disproven many, many times.
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