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Post by hireton on Aug 24, 2022 19:48:54 GMT
Client journalism is a bad thing generally but it sometimes provides valuable intelligence.
In this case Sebastian Payne has been briefed about likely Truss Cabinet appointments. Key ones are Kwarteng as Chancellor, Braverman as Home Secretary and Cleverley as Foreign Secretary.
If these appointments are made it will demonstrate appalling judgement by Truss. Braverman and Cleverey are clearly not capable enough to hold those offices. Kwarteng may have the intellectual capacity for the post but I think the new Chancellor will need to be a skilled politician adept at presentation. Kwarteng comes across as aloof and dogmatic.
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Post by jib on Aug 24, 2022 19:52:50 GMT
Don't dress me up as "Mr Brexit" so you can throw your $hit at me. I've moved on, Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK. Currently just enjoyed a lovely break on a Greek Island. Everything as before, no delays, waltzed through passport control and have a couple of nice stamps as mementos. Yes, maybe the EU copped the blamed for $hithousery of the Cameron-Clegg coalition, but it was the 2017-19 Westminster Parliament that set the die for this Brexit, intentionally or not. You are either stupid, ignorant, or a liar. Or any possible combination. Or maybe I just think differently to you? Maybe something you could think about a bit more before you take your anger / frustration issued out on me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 20:03:36 GMT
johntel "It is just not true, as crossbat makes out, that 'any other UK or NATO leader would have done the same"I'd be interested to hear from you of examples of leaders of NATO and EU member countries who have not offered significant diplomatic and military support to Ukraine. They may lead countries with more limited resources and that have particular trading and economic issues with Russia to resolve, and they might operate less ostentatiously than Johnson too, but what is the hard and empirical evidence that the UK is doing anything above and beyond the efforts of other Western countries? I'm not belittling our contribution as a country but we aren't at war with Russia and have little actual skin in the fight, so the opportunity to play politics with Ukraine, and inflate our role in the crisis, is available to any desperate leader trying to distract from a welter of domestic woes. I suspect Johnson is well aware of that. I’ve censored that post.
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Post by jen on Aug 24, 2022 20:16:31 GMT
You are either stupid, ignorant, or a liar. Or any possible combination. Or maybe I just think differently to you? Maybe something you could think about a bit more before you take your anger / frustration issued out on me. Or maybe you could get out of your bubble and inform yourself about what's going on in the real world? (But that's not going to happen, is it?) I see the misery your lies have caused every day. Your smug comment about how Brexit failed to impact on your Greek holiday says it all. And for the record, your mad rants about a European superstate are just as ludicrous as Danny's Covid nonsense. "Think differently"? Yeah we do. I deal in facts. You have beliefs. Let us remind ourselves of your statement: "Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK". I rest my case.
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Post by jib on Aug 24, 2022 20:17:51 GMT
My friend had his new passport delivered today. It is horrible. Not blue but black. The identification page is like three credit cards stuck together. It is an embarrassment and a shambles. I am sorry JIB, this is not the fault of the Lib Dems. Rather,the blame lies with those who accepted without thinking the nonsense about a European superstate, together with poor people who believe any old tosh written on the side of a bus. I'm not sure what you want me to do about that. Presumably the maroon passport would look the same, the passports have to store a lot of biometric information now, and will incorporate information required for the ETIAS and ESTA etc. I'm not going over old ground on EU Superstate, as I've said before, my vote, my choice. If that makes me stupid in the eyes of some, I really don't care for their judgement.
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Post by jib on Aug 24, 2022 20:20:47 GMT
Or maybe I just think differently to you? Maybe something you could think about a bit more before you take your anger / frustration issued out on me. Or maybe you could get out of your bubble and inform yourself about what's going on in the real world? (But that's not going to happen, is it?) I see the misery your lies have caused every day. Your smug comment about how Brexit failed to impact on your Greek holiday says it all. And for the record, your mad rants about a European superstate are just as ludicrous as Danny's Covid nonsense. "Think differently"? Yeah we do. I deal in facts. You have beliefs. Let us remind ourselves of your statement: "Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK". I rest my case. You have not made any case. Leaving the EU has had a miniscule impact compared to COVID or the energy crisis caused by the Ukraine war. If you have any facts which you can use to prove a negative impact free of the above influences, please share them.
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Post by johntel on Aug 24, 2022 20:23:50 GMT
johntel "It is just not true, as crossbat makes out, that 'any other UK or NATO leader would have done the same"I'd be interested to hear from you of examples of leaders of NATO and EU member countries who have not offered significant diplomatic and military support to Ukraine. They may lead countries with more limited resources and that have particular trading and economic issues with Russia to resolve, and they might operate less ostentatiously than Johnson too, but what is the hard and empirical evidence that the UK is doing anything above and beyond the efforts of other Western countries? I'm not belittling our contribution as a country but we aren't at war with Russia and have little actual skin in the fight, so the opportunity to play politics with Ukraine, and inflate our role in the crisis, is available to any desperate leader trying to distract from a welter of domestic woes. I suspect Johnson is well aware of that. @batty Yes of course, nearly all those countries and leaders have offered significant support to Ukraine. Some have even actually given some or all of what they offered. The US has given a lot more than the UK - the UK is second in the list of military support actually given. But none have been so clear and unequivocal in their support as Johnson and the UK. I don't really care about Boris's motives - it's what people actually do that matters (and yes I know he's done a lot of stupid stuff and his parties looked rubbish compared to the Finnish ones).
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 24, 2022 20:24:02 GMT
crofty
Just a technical point, but if you've censored my post why am I, and everyone else on the forum, still able to see it in its unexpurgated form.
Or have you activated Mark's dastardly new feature? The ability to block a poster's output so that it becomes invisible to everyone else on the forum? I think he calls it the "Nuclear Zap Option" feature.
The most cunning element of the feature is that the megazapped poster doesn't realise that his or her posts have become invisible. They are still visible to the poster but no one else. I suppose the absence of any "likes" is the first clue that something may be amiss.
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Post by alurqa on Aug 24, 2022 20:24:59 GMT
I've moved on, Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK. ... How are you going to fix the brexit problems you created? Tax cuts! Refusing to meet or listen to industry after industry after industry complains that they can't get the workers, and can their sector please be added to the special worker list, please. Hospitality, fruit pickers, care workers, farmers... Oh, and it's your fault for doing down our country. This is a great nation, it's just that it takes time for things to change. Of course it's the bloody EU's fault because they are playing politics: we can't join Horizon (which is this a scheme where foreigners get together to talk about sciencey things) because the EU refuse to bow to our perfectly reasonable view of how the NIP works. Anybody who dares to claim they understand how the EU works with its controls on the flow of food into its union is dismissed as a remoaner. They demand a border, and we demand no border (or a magic border that uses spreadsheets to stop criminals moving dodgy food across it). I'm afraid we're going to have to bathe in our own shit for a while longer, until quite a few more patriots have died off.
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Post by steve on Aug 24, 2022 20:30:01 GMT
jib Real data from the ons highlighting the massive adverse impact on trade. Reality is a bummer.
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Post by johntel on Aug 24, 2022 20:34:17 GMT
johntel "****************** crossbat makes out ****************************************""******************************************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************************************* . I’ve censored that post. Thanks crofty, I didn't intend to give away any secrets
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 20:34:40 GMT
crofty Just a technical point, but if you've censored my post why am I, and everyone else on the forum, still able to see it in its unexpurgated form. I suppose the absence of any "likes" is the first clue that something may be amiss. I would have thought that indicated normality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 20:36:01 GMT
jib Real data from the ons highlighting the massive adverse impact on trade. Reality is a bummer. Not if you don’t believe it. We used to be a failing vassal state remember.
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2022 20:37:44 GMT
lensRe rocket fuel I seem to remember that Blue Streak and/or Black Arrow were fuelled by a mixture of paraffin and bleach. I always thought that was amusing and put me in mind of the film 'Mouse on the Moon', a sequel to The Mouse that Roared.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 20:38:15 GMT
Or maybe you could get out of your bubble and inform yourself about what's going on in the real world? (But that's not going to happen, is it?) I see the misery your lies have caused every day. Your smug comment about how Brexit failed to impact on your Greek holiday says it all. And for the record, your mad rants about a European superstate are just as ludicrous as Danny's Covid nonsense. "Think differently"? Yeah we do. I deal in facts. You have beliefs. Let us remind ourselves of your statement: "Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK". I rest my case. You have not made any case. Leaving the EU has had a miniscule impact compared to COVID or the energy crisis caused by the Ukraine war. If you have any facts which you can use to prove a negative impact free of the above influences, please share them.
or how about
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Post by johntel on Aug 24, 2022 20:38:57 GMT
crofty Just a technical point, but if you've censored my post why am I, and everyone else on the forum, still able to see it in its unexpurgated form. Or have you activated Mark's dastardly new feature? The ability to block a poster's output so that it becomes invisible to everyone else on the forum? I think he calls it the "Nuclear Zap Option" feature. The most cunning element of the feature is that the megazapped poster doesn't realise that his or her posts have become invisible. They are still visible to the poster but no one else. I suppose the absence of any "likes" is the first clue that something may be amiss. I believe mark's been secretly testing that feature for some time - it probably explains why there are so few roc posters remaining on this site. Edit: it probably explains why there are so few roc posts visible on this site.
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Post by jen on Aug 24, 2022 20:41:22 GMT
Or maybe you could get out of your bubble and inform yourself about what's going on in the real world? (But that's not going to happen, is it?) I see the misery your lies have caused every day. Your smug comment about how Brexit failed to impact on your Greek holiday says it all. And for the record, your mad rants about a European superstate are just as ludicrous as Danny's Covid nonsense. "Think differently"? Yeah we do. I deal in facts. You have beliefs. Let us remind ourselves of your statement: "Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK". I rest my case. You have not made any case. Leaving the EU has had a miniscule impact compared to COVID or the energy crisis caused by the Ukraine war. If you have any facts which you can use to prove a negative impact free of the above influences, please share them. Many people have already provided you with plenty of information on this very forum. You make it very clear that facts will not sway you because of your belief. Unfortunately, I see at first hand the damage your lies have caused to individual real people. I see it every day. It has harmed, literally, everybody I know. Explicitly Brexit has been the cause, not Covid, not Ukraine. YOU DID THIS. Your statement "Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK", lacks any kind of empathy or understanding. That is what I am calling out. Brexit is not done, it will never be done, and one day it will be undone. The only question is how much suffering you people will cause in the meantime.
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Post by johntel on Aug 24, 2022 20:41:40 GMT
crofty Just a technical point, but if you've censored my post why am I, and everyone else on the forum, still able to see it in its unexpurgated form. Or have you activated Mark's dastardly new feature? The ability to block a poster's output so that it becomes invisible to everyone else on the forum? I think he calls it the "Nuclear Zap Option" feature. The most cunning element of the feature is that the megazapped poster doesn't realise that his or her posts have become invisible. They are still visible to the poster but no one else. I suppose the absence of any "likes" is the first clue that something may be amiss. You really wouldn't have liked the full post . And I believe mark's been secretly testing that new feature for some time - it probably explains why there are so few roc posters remaining on this site.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 20:49:17 GMT
As a lover of wildlife I take exception to talk of “boiling frogs” and criticising Ole Corby for not “not even being prepared to kill a squirrel” - what have they ever done wrong, apart from nicking a few nuts?
Humans are definitely the worst species.
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2022 20:51:37 GMT
Con pushed Brexit. They claimed the sun shone from its ass. That's rubbish. Cameron resisted a referendum as long as he could despite having given a 'cast-iron' guarantee that there would be one, and then reneging at first. Eventually because of the rise of UKIP and other Leave parties he was forced to hold the referendum, and then campaigned for Remain. Once the referendum had been held, it was of course their duty to enact the will of the people. Cameron again reneged, having promised to see it through whatever the result he then promptly resigned.
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Post by domjg on Aug 24, 2022 20:52:00 GMT
Client journalism is a bad thing generally but it sometimes provides valuable intelligence. In this case Sebastian Payne has been briefed about likely Truss Cabinet appointments. Key ones are Kwarteng as Chancellor, Braverman as Home Secretary and Cleverley as Foreign Secretary. If these appointments are made it will demonstrate appalling judgement by Truss. Braverman and Cleverey are clearly not capable enough to hold those offices. Kwarteng may have the intellectual capacity for the post but I think the new Chancellor will need to be a skilled politician adept at presentation. Kwarteng comes across as aloof and dogmatic. The phrase ‘ever decreasing circles’ comes to mind as Tory executives appear to come to rely on ever smaller pools of unsuitable loyalists.
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Post by jib on Aug 24, 2022 20:55:04 GMT
You have not made any case. Leaving the EU has had a miniscule impact compared to COVID or the energy crisis caused by the Ukraine war. If you have any facts which you can use to prove a negative impact free of the above influences, please share them. Many people have already provided you with plenty of information on this very forum. You make it very clear that facts will not sway you because of your belief. Unfortunately, I see at first hand the damage your lies have caused to individual real people. I see it every day. It has harmed, literally, everybody I know. Explicitly Brexit has been the cause, not Covid, not Ukraine. YOU DID THIS. Your statement "Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK", lacks any kind of empathy or understanding. That is what I am calling out. Brexit is not done, it will never be done, and one day it will be undone. The only question is how much suffering you people will cause in the meantime. "YOU DID THIS." No I did not. I participated in a referendum in 2016. I simply voted to Leave. In fact, I was quite happy with the Norway option as a sensible compromise. The Conservative Government elected in 2015, 2017 and 2019 enacted Brexit. I have never voted Tory, and never will.
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2022 20:57:28 GMT
You are either stupid, ignorant, or a liar. Or any possible combination. I'm sure you could make better contributions to the discussions here than occasionally posting insulting remarks. This isn't Twitter.
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Post by hireton on Aug 24, 2022 20:57:42 GMT
Not sure if this Deltapoll has been posted. 12 pt Labour lead:
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2022 20:59:55 GMT
A worrying observation, albeit an unsurprising one, from a respected former BBC journalist. Maitlis is confirming what I suppose we all knew but were reluctant to admit. The BBC's political coverage has been nobbled by the Tory Government. Essentially, it's being censored. Those words need to sink in. Maitlis's closing comment is a zinger. It describes the essence of journalism and the danger that client and passive current affairs reporting poses to our democracy: - “Our job is to make sense of what we are seeing and anticipate the next move. It’s the moment, in other words, the frog should be leaping out of the boiling water and phoning all its friends to warn them. But by then we are so far along the path of passivity, we’re cooked.”The question, to borrow Maitlis's vernacular, is how many frogs are there left in journalism now that are prepared to sound the alarms? Watch something else. I recommend GB News. They have all shades of opinion represented, though do not have the massive BBC resources to have teams of reporters everywhere.
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Post by isa on Aug 24, 2022 21:00:49 GMT
Client journalism is a bad thing generally but it sometimes provides valuable intelligence. In this case Sebastian Payne has been briefed about likely Truss Cabinet appointments. Key ones are Kwarteng as Chancellor, Braverman as Home Secretary and Cleverley as Foreign Secretary. If these appointments are made it will demonstrate appalling judgement by Truss. Braverman and Cleverey are clearly not capable enough to hold those offices. Kwarteng may have the intellectual capacity for the post but I think the new Chancellor will need to be a skilled politician adept at presentation. Kwarteng comes across as aloof and dogmatic. Sounds like a team of none of the talents.
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Post by jen on Aug 24, 2022 21:00:55 GMT
You are either stupid, ignorant, or a liar. Or any possible combination. I'm sure you could make better contributions to the discussions here than occasionally posting insulting remarks. This isn't Twitter. And I'm sure you could make better contributions if you were to refrain from bigotry. But that's not going to happen, is it?
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Post by mercian on Aug 24, 2022 21:00:56 GMT
The Ukrainian leadership have made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that they appreciate the lead that Boris has taken. It is just not true, as crossbat makes out, that 'any other UK or NATO leader would have done the same'. They clearly wouldn't and didn't. You underestimate how important symbolic gestures such as Boris's visit to Kyiv are. Once upon a time british PMs trailed along behind US presidents. Now best we can manage is Ukrainian. Another way of looking at it is that in this case we led the Americans.
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Post by jen on Aug 24, 2022 21:02:40 GMT
Many people have already provided you with plenty of information on this very forum. You make it very clear that facts will not sway you because of your belief. Unfortunately, I see at first hand the damage your lies have caused to individual real people. I see it every day. It has harmed, literally, everybody I know. Explicitly Brexit has been the cause, not Covid, not Ukraine. YOU DID THIS. Your statement "Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK", lacks any kind of empathy or understanding. That is what I am calling out. Brexit is not done, it will never be done, and one day it will be undone. The only question is how much suffering you people will cause in the meantime. "YOU DID THIS." No I did not. I participated in a referendum in 2016. I simply voted to Leave. In fact, I was quite happy with the Norway option as a sensible compromise. The Conservative Government elected in 2015, 2017 and 2019 enacted Brexit. I have never voted Tory, and never will. Yes you did. You have spread lies. You are complicit.
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Post by eor on Aug 24, 2022 21:03:34 GMT
Yes, that makes sense. The "A" in AO Level stood for "Alternative" and not "Advanced". I'm sure at the time we thought of it as the Advanced O Level. It has taken me 50+ years to find out the correct title. Just to throw another into the pot - my strange haul from the pre-university years includes an Additional, which in the late 90s sat in between GCSEs and A-levels and I believe counted for half an AS-level. Not sure whether that's closer to the AO than an AS is? And of course all this complexity is without the divers structures and awards available elsewhere in the UK...
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