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Post by domjg on Aug 24, 2022 14:26:55 GMT
I have no fealty to the Libdems, and have voted Labour faar more often then I've voted for them but I'm happy to see any tool used against the Tory party unlike some for whom ideological self-satisfaction is far more important than actually getting rid of an execrable govt like this one.
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Post by steve on Aug 24, 2022 14:30:08 GMT
jib I didn't actually call you stupid I merely said you are displaying a level of cognitive dissonance and by denying a vote for Brexit has anything to do with Brexit are intellectually in a totally indefensible position. I also pointed out that the concept of brexit is inherently stupid and you most certainly embrace it. I don't think you are unintelligent, ignorant, dense, brainless, mindless, foolish, dull-witted, dull, slow-witted, witless, slow, dunce-like, simple-minded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, half-witted, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic, obtuse, doltish, gullible, , thick, dim, dumb, dopey, dozy, crazy, cretinous, birdbrained, pea-brained, pig-ignorant, bovine, slow on the uptake, soft in the head, brain-dead, boneheaded, not the full shilling, thick as two short planks, , unthinking, inane, absurd, ludicrous, ridiculous, laughable, risible, fatuous, asinine, , futile, fruitless, mad, insane, lunatic, cracked, half-baked, cock-eyed, hare-brained, nutty, derpy, cuckoo, loony, gormless, glaikit, dumb-ass or half-assed.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 24, 2022 14:44:40 GMT
View AttachmentWhat is it with politicians and dressing up as service personnel. Now Starmer's getting in on the act ! In fairness, he's just about to attend an NEC meeting.
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Post by johntel on Aug 24, 2022 14:59:30 GMT
Well done Boris for clearly showing the world the UK's support for Ukraine.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 24, 2022 15:13:18 GMT
Well done Boris for clearly showing the world the UK's support for Ukraine. While I don't think Johnson has done anything on the Ukraine crisis that any other UK PM, of any party, or any leader of a NATO member country for that matter, wouldn't have done, I'm not opposed to him offering Zelensky and the Ukrainian people moral as well as military support. But there is something about Johnson's innate inauthentic persona that always grates and makes you think that cynical showmanship is uppermost in his mind when he embarks on these sorts of visits.
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Post by domjg on Aug 24, 2022 15:33:41 GMT
Well done Boris for clearly showing the world the UK's support for Ukraine. Well if we ever had any doubts about your loyalties we don't any longer. Shame he's completely incapable of showing the tiniest iota of UK govt support for the UK. 'Boris'? Your buddy is he? All he's offering is a photo-op support for himself.
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Post by Mark on Aug 24, 2022 16:18:45 GMT
Ahe said that she wouldn't be happy, but as a PM it would be her job. Earlier she said that being a PM would be her life satisfaction. Just to say: the only way her decision would exterminate the humankind with nuclear weapons if she was the first to use it. ....and therein lies the folly of nuclear weapons. If she was first to use them, she would be committing suicide for most of the country...possibly all the country, possibly even the human race. If there were nukes incoming, at that point, deterrance - the stated purpose of nuclear weapons - would have failed. Once that point had been reached, any decision to retalliate would be a pointless excercise in revenge, killing millions upon millions of innocent non-combatants. At such a point, surely any notions of nation states, enemies and such like is obselete and the question then becomes "which action makes it more likely that my species survives in some form?". Of course, no leader can actually say this publicly, instead, whether pretend or for real, making any potential adversary thing that you will respond. Sadly, unless we can rid these weapons from the face of the planet, this could well be our downfall some point down the line.
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Post by jib on Aug 24, 2022 16:38:56 GMT
jib I didn't actually call you stupid I merely said you are displaying a level of cognitive dissonance and by denying a vote for Brexit has anything to do with Brexit are intellectually in a totally indefensible position. I also pointed out that the concept of brexit is inherently stupid and you most certainly embrace it. I don't think you are unintelligent, ignorant, dense, brainless, mindless, foolish, dull-witted, dull, slow-witted, witless, slow, dunce-like, simple-minded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, half-witted, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic, obtuse, doltish, gullible, , thick, dim, dumb, dopey, dozy, crazy, cretinous, birdbrained, pea-brained, pig-ignorant, bovine, slow on the uptake, soft in the head, brain-dead, boneheaded, not the full shilling, thick as two short planks, , unthinking, inane, absurd, ludicrous, ridiculous, laughable, risible, fatuous, asinine, , futile, fruitless, mad, insane, lunatic, cracked, half-baked, cock-eyed, hare-brained, nutty, derpy, cuckoo, loony, gormless, glaikit, dumb-ass or half-assed. Don't dress me up as "Mr Brexit" so you can throw your $hit at me. I've moved on, Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK. Currently just enjoyed a lovely break on a Greek Island. Everything as before, no delays, waltzed through passport control and have a couple of nice stamps as mementos. Yes, maybe the EU copped the blamed for $hithousery of the Cameron-Clegg coalition, but it was the 2017-19 Westminster Parliament that set the die for this Brexit, intentionally or not.
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Post by Danny on Aug 24, 2022 16:53:10 GMT
Well done Boris for clearly showing the world the UK's support for Ukraine. i expect he just wanted to chat to someone friendly.
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Post by lens on Aug 24, 2022 16:57:27 GMT
Prime is scheduled to use liquid oxygen and propane as fuel and oxidiser - so pretty obviously plenty of CO2 out of the exhaust… They claim the propane as "bioLPG" - LPG made from what would otherwise be waste. Technically it exists, but is currently more expensive than LPG obtained from other means and availability is limited by the amount of suitable waste! If Orbex were to pay the premium and use it, it may mean such wasn't available for other uses - which would then end up using "conventional" LPG! Well, they might scale up biofuel production and reduce costs if demand increases, and it’s not like it has to be the only biofuel for rockets. Scaling up biofuel production isn't that easy though - certainly not if you're relying on "waste". There's a limited amount of the right sort of "waste". And that makes it even more difficult to reduce costs. And of course, with renewable energy supplies ramping up and costs falling, we may increasingly use hydrogen produced using excess renewable energy for some launches. Hydrogen has a lot of problems as a rocket fuel. Largely down to having to be in the liquid state, and liquid hydrogen only existing (regardless of pressure) at temperatures close to absolute zero. It's energy density is good - but it's for other reasons that designers seem to be moving away from it, such as SpaceX to methane/LOX and Orbex to propane/LOX. In the case of propane, there is a temperature range over which both oxygen and propane are in liquid states, which ease insulation issues between the tanks. I'm not quibbling over propane (or methane) suitability for fuels - it's just the "bio" nature of it. I doubt there's any possibility of being able to scale to quantity for such as a SpaceX type rocket. As an aside, it's the physical properties that make LPG such a good choice of fuel when it has to be delivered in bottles - that it is liquid over such a wide range of temperatures and at moderate pressures. Convenient to deliver as a liquid, but open the tap and it immediately boils off to be burnt as gas. Will still boil at atmospheric pressure at -44C, yet is still liquid at an acceptable pressure even in the hottest places on earth. (Quoted about 25 bar at 70C) Just a shame that it's use gives off CO2...... And a shame hydrogen can't have it's physical properties. anyway there is a big concern to reduce not just the CO2 but in particular the soot emitted by using conventional fuels. But in this case propane is a "conventional fuel" - making it as biofuel doesn't make any difference to soot emission?
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Post by Danny on Aug 24, 2022 17:03:33 GMT
I've moved on, Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK. Pull the other one mate. The pound fell 20% and hasn't recovered. Thats 20% less buying power for everyone, 20% inflation on any imports, which is probably most of what we consume one way or another. Its taken a while for this to feed through but its coming full flood right now. And then theres the NHS, whose performance has deteriorated ever since the firing gun for brexit, when European staff started not coming any more. People are really going to notice as the death rate keeps going up and will suprpass that from covid if we arent careful. A ukrainian was just interviewed on R4 to ask how she has got on as a refugee here. Turns out she is now working as a hospital administrator. Its not just doctors, its all sorts of staff, admin, cleaners, all the home helps needed if patients are to be discharged to their homes and council care. Which simply isnt happening. What all these have in common is massive amounts of cheap imported labour. Which might be replaceable with our own labour if we start paying such people banker's wages, but wont be otherwise. How are you going to fix the brexit problems you created? Con pushed Brexit. They claimed the sun shone from its ass. They have not found any solutions for the problems it was inevitably going to cause. Frankly they dont give a gnats whatsit if thousand more die because they really dont care if the NHS collapses. All that really mattered was getting through those PFI contracts to make a fortune for the private sector. Con have systematically taken step after step calculated to ruin the NHS. Not least lockdown, which with a price tag of maybe a trillion pounds for the whole UK public and private, which had this sum been invested carefully in the NHS would have saved many more lives and created a permanently stronger NHS.
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Post by lens on Aug 24, 2022 17:07:08 GMT
I know it’s nowhere near fully reusable, mentioned that in a previous post, that initially they were just talking about reusing engines. (Even that might involve fishing them out if the sea?) All I will say is "best of luck". We're talking about something that has it's own ascent, then has to suffer the stresses and heat of uncontrolled re-entry, then gets dunked in salt water until being picked up. It makes me wonder strongly whether the testing and servicing needed for any reliable reuse are remotely viable compared to the cost of a new component? SpaceX are fully reusing entire rocket stages - though even they require servicing after a controlled re-entry and landing - we're not talking about anything remotely comparable here. Which is why my greenwashing detector is going off here......
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Post by Danny on Aug 24, 2022 17:24:06 GMT
Government to scrap screening testing in hospitals for covid. I take it they agree with me its pointless.
Bet once they do there is a sudden drop in 'covid' deaths.
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Post by lens on Aug 24, 2022 17:36:20 GMT
Bet once they do there is a sudden drop in 'covid' deaths.
It's the "because of" versus "with" argument all over again. The "death within 28 days of a Covid test" criteria may have had merit in the first year, but it's become increasingly pointless with so many people in hospital being there for other reasons and the Covid being incidental. And you may disagree, but I for one put that largely down to vaccination. As said before, I could produce statistics showing how many people are in hospital with red hair. And how many are dying each week. Totally meaningless of course, the hair colour has nothing to do with their being in hospital, just a factor of a given percentage of the population having red hair. And with vaccination meaning that Covid infection is far less likely to mean hospitalisation (let alone death) it's high time to redefine the definition of what really is a "Covid death".
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 24, 2022 17:38:40 GMT
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Post by paulnish on Aug 24, 2022 17:45:57 GMT
My friend had his new passport delivered today.
It is horrible. Not blue but black.
The identification page is like three credit cards stuck together.
It is an embarrassment and a shambles.
I am sorry JIB, this is not the fault of the Lib Dems. Rather,the blame lies with those who accepted without thinking the nonsense about a European superstate, together with poor people who believe any old tosh written on the side of a bus.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 24, 2022 18:27:27 GMT
I know it’s nowhere near fully reusable, mentioned that in a previous post, that initially they were just talking about reusing engines. (Even that might involve fishing them out if the sea?) All I will say is "best of luck". We're talking about something that has it's own ascent, then has to suffer the stresses and heat of uncontrolled re-entry, then gets dunked in salt water until being picked up. It makes me wonder strongly whether the testing and servicing needed for any reliable reuse are remotely viable compared to the cost of a new component? SpaceX are fully reusing entire rocket stages - though even they require servicing after a controlled re-entry and landing - we're not talking about anything remotely comparable here. Which is why my greenwashing detector is going off here...... Yeah, I wasn’t sure about the sea thing either. Was something I seemed to recall reading somewhere but haven’t been able to find out more about it. Though I have found a quote from the CEO saying they plan to recover the engine pack, but not saying how. “ A large part of the first stage will be reusable,” Larmour said. “Certainly the engine pack, which has six engines and makes up a huge part of the cost of the vehicle. If we can get it back it will be a significant saving.” Larmour declined to comment on specifics of the technology, saying it is currently patent-pending.”Regarding checking the engines, they seem to be advancing on that: “ Orbex is set to be the first launch operator to be able to carry out high-energy X-ray inspection of rocket engines prior to flight, using the unique technologies and IP we are helping to develop as part of our work with the ESA. As we move towards series production we will use this new capability to give peace of mind to customers and assurance to licensing authorities that we have a fully comprehensive propulsion testing regime in place.”
I don’t think we differ on the fact that the reusability they are on about in the first instance is quite some way short of the ideal. it’s just that it is not necessarily delusional to start somewhere with just a limited aspect of reusability, and then build more reusability from there. It may not work out of course, but you can see why they might not wait for full reusability before starting launches. i am not utterly convinced it’ll happen myself, but it’s not a bad thing to aim at, indeed reusability may become the norm for rocket launches. Probably need to have a plan for developing reusabilty to ensure a long-term future. People are trying different approaches: I think rocketlab are trying to catch their first stage in the air on return with a helicopter! (I was far from convinced we would have spaceports, but hope springs etc.) It would seem Airbus might also have been trying to reuse just the engines, by having them fly back to land on a runway: “ Where SpaceX attempts to return the entire first stage (the big fuel tank and the rocket engines) to the launchpad, Adeline will return just the engines and the avionics, leaving the fuel tank to fall into the ocean as usual.
SpaceX and Airbus have very different methods of return, too. Falcon 9 keeps some fuel in reserve, which is used to slow the first stage's descent. Adeline detaches from the fuel tank, continues on a ballistic path, and then eventually uses winglets and propellers to land horizontally on a runway, a bit like a UAV. The main benefit of this method, at least as Airbus tells it, is that it requires much less fuel than SpaceX's method.” arstechnica.com/science/2015/06/airbus-unveils-adeline-its-clever-answer-to-spacexs-reusable-rockets/Though that was 2015, having checked they seem to have retired the idea since. Might Orbex be doing something similar?
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Post by davwel on Aug 24, 2022 18:27:35 GMT
Which is why we are not paying the BBC licence fee. The enforcers that used to send pay-up letters have now given up with us, and others.
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Post by graham on Aug 24, 2022 18:35:15 GMT
Which is why we are not paying the BBC licence fee. The enforcers that used to send pay-up letters have now given up with us, and others. I am still receiving those letters - though have not paid the licence fee for circa 20 years initially in protest at what the BBC pays Gary Lineker. In truth , I have not turned my television on since June 2017.
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Post by johntel on Aug 24, 2022 18:49:31 GMT
Well done Boris for clearly showing the world the UK's support for Ukraine. Well if we ever had any doubts about your loyalties we don't any longer. Shame he's completely incapable of showing the tiniest iota of UK govt support for the UK. 'Boris'? Your buddy is he? All he's offering is a photo-op support for himself. I'm not loyal to Boris and I don't support the Tories, but I'm not so bigoted and blind as to see that on occasion he has done the right thing. The Ukrainian leadership have made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that they appreciate the lead that Boris has taken. It is just not true, as crossbat makes out, that 'any other UK or NATO leader would have done the same'. They clearly wouldn't and didn't. You underestimate how important symbolic gestures such as Boris's visit to Kyiv are.
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Post by jen on Aug 24, 2022 18:52:26 GMT
jib I didn't actually call you stupid I merely said you are displaying a level of cognitive dissonance and by denying a vote for Brexit has anything to do with Brexit are intellectually in a totally indefensible position. I also pointed out that the concept of brexit is inherently stupid and you most certainly embrace it. I don't think you are unintelligent, ignorant, dense, brainless, mindless, foolish, dull-witted, dull, slow-witted, witless, slow, dunce-like, simple-minded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, half-witted, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic, obtuse, doltish, gullible, , thick, dim, dumb, dopey, dozy, crazy, cretinous, birdbrained, pea-brained, pig-ignorant, bovine, slow on the uptake, soft in the head, brain-dead, boneheaded, not the full shilling, thick as two short planks, , unthinking, inane, absurd, ludicrous, ridiculous, laughable, risible, fatuous, asinine, , futile, fruitless, mad, insane, lunatic, cracked, half-baked, cock-eyed, hare-brained, nutty, derpy, cuckoo, loony, gormless, glaikit, dumb-ass or half-assed. Don't dress me up as "Mr Brexit" so you can throw your $hit at me. I've moved on, Brexit has had next to no impact on most people in the UK. Currently just enjoyed a lovely break on a Greek Island. Everything as before, no delays, waltzed through passport control and have a couple of nice stamps as mementos. Yes, maybe the EU copped the blamed for $hithousery of the Cameron-Clegg coalition, but it was the 2017-19 Westminster Parliament that set the die for this Brexit, intentionally or not. You are either stupid, ignorant, or a liar. Or any possible combination.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 24, 2022 19:28:32 GMT
A worrying observation, albeit an unsurprising one, from a respected former BBC journalist. Maitlis is confirming what I suppose we all knew but were reluctant to admit. The BBC's political coverage has been nobbled by the Tory Government. Essentially, it's being censored. Those words need to sink in. Maitlis's closing comment is a zinger. It describes the essence of journalism and the danger that client and passive current affairs reporting poses to our democracy: - “Our job is to make sense of what we are seeing and anticipate the next move. It’s the moment, in other words, the frog should be leaping out of the boiling water and phoning all its friends to warn them. But by then we are so far along the path of passivity, we’re cooked.”The question, to borrow Maitlis's vernacular, is how many frogs are there left in journalism now that are prepared to sound the alarms?
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Post by Danny on Aug 24, 2022 19:42:39 GMT
The Ukrainian leadership have made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that they appreciate the lead that Boris has taken. It is just not true, as crossbat makes out, that 'any other UK or NATO leader would have done the same'. They clearly wouldn't and didn't. You underestimate how important symbolic gestures such as Boris's visit to Kyiv are. Once upon a time british PMs trailed along behind US presidents. Now best we can manage is Ukrainian.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 24, 2022 19:42:52 GMT
johntel
"It is just not true, as crossbat makes out, that 'any other UK or NATO leader would have done the same"
I'd be interested to hear from you of examples of leaders of NATO and EU member countries who have not offered significant diplomatic and military support to Ukraine. They may lead countries with more limited resources and that have particular trading and economic issues with Russia to resolve, and they might operate less ostentatiously than Johnson too, but what is the hard and empirical evidence that the UK is doing anything above and beyond the efforts of other Western countries? I'm not belittling our contribution as a country but we aren't at war with Russia and have little actual skin in the fight, so the opportunity to play politics with Ukraine, and inflate our role in the crisis, is available to any desperate leader trying to distract from a welter of domestic woes. I suspect Johnson is well aware of that.
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