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Post by laszlo4new on Aug 17, 2022 15:14:51 GMT
When I heard Truss on praising Johnson and his achievements, it came to my mind:
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Post by ladyvalerie on Aug 17, 2022 15:37:07 GMT
Sigh - you just don't get it, and I don't think you ever will. In about 20 years time ads such as this will be seen in the same way that 'It aint half hot mum', 'Love thy neighbour' etc are seen now generally seen (I'm sure Mercian still finds them hilarious - they are a bit before my time but I have seen clips of them), as completely inappropriate and offensive. The point is people such as yourself cant really do anything about the misogyny of the Taliban, but if you were a true ally you would do what you could to support women in our society. Calling out stereotypical tropes that negatively portray women - in what ever form they are communicated - is something you and others could do! Spot on, I was reminded of Matthew Chapter 7 verse 5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Colin, a man, cannot see the irony in telling Lulu, a woman, that his views on what is misogyny are more valid than hers. Furthermore, he is “disappointed “ that she holds this view. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Actually, I do 😅😂🤣
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Post by alec on Aug 17, 2022 15:54:41 GMT
Sunak saying Truss' cost of living plan is a "moral failure", while Tory peer Lord Rose says - “We have been very, very slow in recognising this train coming down the tunnel and it’s run quite a lot of people over and we now have to deal with the aftermath. We’ve got to have some action. The captain of the ship is on shore leave, right, nobody’s in charge at the moment.”
Even the Conservative Party seems to agree that their government, present and future, is shambolic.
And 30% of Yougov voters still think they're a good bet for No 10?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 16:14:20 GMT
Sunak saying Truss' cost of living plan is a "moral failure", while Tory peer Lord Rose says - “We have been very, very slow in recognising this train coming down the tunnel and it’s run quite a lot of people over and we now have to deal with the aftermath. We’ve got to have some action. The captain of the ship is on shore leave, right, nobody’s in charge at the moment.” Even the Conservative Party seems to agree that their government, present and future, is shambolic. And 30% of Yougov voters still think they're a good bet for No 10? I think there are 2 cemented on groups - the die hard tribal Tory and the pro-Brexit possibly even anti-Labour vote. Can't see the Tories getting below 30% - they even got that in 1997 as our schools and services collapsed and the Tories were drowning in sleaze.
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Post by davwel on Aug 17, 2022 16:44:19 GMT
Another nonsense from Sunak: for promotion, he will require all civil servants to spend a year out of Whitehall.
I am all for civil servants having experience and knowledge of life outwith SE England, but Sunak`s intent is extra bureaucracy and hindering efficiency. The staff dumped out of Whitehall will hardly be achieving what their pay scale demands before moving back.
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Post by alec on Aug 17, 2022 17:01:15 GMT
"Another nonsense from Sunak: for promotion, he will require all civil servants to spend a year out of Whitehall."
Would Greece count?
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Post by steve on Aug 17, 2022 17:32:44 GMT
What could possibly have happened in 2010 to change this trajectory. Probably had something to do with solar flares, or lazy british workers.
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Post by steve on Aug 17, 2022 17:34:09 GMT
alec On Greece spot the difference Attachments:
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Post by pete on Aug 17, 2022 17:38:49 GMT
Starmer can't do anything about how Truss is viewed by the voters (although she might do that herself) but he can in respect of his own persona. The energy price cap policy was a good start. If he can come up with more eye-catching things of that sort public opinion regarding his Prime Ministerial qualities may shift. If Starmer can't beat Truss that would be worse than Corbyn not beating May. Everything is in Starmer's favour here and all he needs is a spine and a socialist vision. A social democratic vision is what Starmer needs and has (or will have).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 17:44:06 GMT
Sunak saying Truss' cost of living plan is a "moral failure", while Tory peer Lord Rose says - “We have been very, very slow in recognising this train coming down the tunnel and it’s run quite a lot of people over and we now have to deal with the aftermath. We’ve got to have some action. The captain of the ship is on shore leave, right, nobody’s in charge at the moment.” Even the Conservative Party seems to agree that their government, present and future, is shambolic. And 30% of Yougov voters still think they're a good bet for No 10? I think there are 2 cemented on groups - the die hard tribal Tory and the pro-Brexit possibly even anti-Labour vote. Can't see the Tories getting below 30% - they even got that in 1997 as our schools and services collapsed and the Tories were drowning in sleaze.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 17, 2022 17:44:10 GMT
As there has been concern about drought conditions in certain parts of the country, we now know the simplest solution to the problem. Hold a cricket test match in each affected area.
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Post by pete on Aug 17, 2022 17:50:40 GMT
Sigh - you just don't get it, and I don't think you ever will. In about 20 years time ads such as this will be seen in the same way that 'It aint half hot mum', 'Love thy neighbour' etc are seen now generally seen (I'm sure Mercian still finds them hilarious - they are a bit before my time but I have seen clips of them), as completely inappropriate and offensive. The point is people such as yourself cant really do anything about the misogyny of the Taliban, but if you were a true ally you would do what you could to support women in our society. Calling out stereotypical tropes that negatively portray women - in what ever form they are communicated - is something you and others could do! Spot on, I was reminded of Matthew Chapter 7 verse 5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." King James 1611 writes it so much better Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beame out of thine owne eye: and then shalt thou see clearely to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye.
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Post by shevii on Aug 17, 2022 17:51:43 GMT
leftieliberal Nec reported paid up membership was about 380,000 a while back so still falling. Not sure how a "united" party losing £5m in a year can be seen as better than a feuding party not losing £5m in a year. You also have to consider that even if the party is united, which it really isn't, those who have left are creating havoc on social media. Just look at the replies to any tweets Starmer or Labour put out.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 17, 2022 17:53:03 GMT
As there has been concern about drought conditions in certain parts of the country, we now know the simplest solution to the problem. Hold a cricket test match in each affected area. Quite so. Getting my cricket bag out of the loft in mid April quite often did the trick too. Spring dry spells were quickly ended. Much more effective than a rain dance, I always thought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 18:04:07 GMT
Spot on, I was reminded of Matthew Chapter 7 verse 5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." King James 1611 writes it so much better Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beame out of thine owne eye: and then shalt thou see clearely to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. Gosh, it’s such a difficulte choice for mine owne head. Bothe are bleedin excellent. (Though I prefer it if the Practice nurse does it actually.)
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Post by mandolinist on Aug 17, 2022 18:05:16 GMT
As there has been concern about drought conditions in certain parts of the country, we now know the simplest solution to the problem. Hold a cricket test match in each affected area. And/or declare a drought. I mentioned about 100 pages ago that we needed a minister for drought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 18:17:37 GMT
Pleased she won the heat but it must have been a bleedin’ slow race - even ole Batty might have hopped his way into the final.
“ GB's Laura Muir strolls to European 1500m final.” BBC Sport.
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Post by oldnat on Aug 17, 2022 18:34:37 GMT
Watch the "appalling behaviour by Scottish Nationalists" protesting in Perth against the Tories.
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Post by johntel on Aug 17, 2022 18:35:28 GMT
View AttachmentWhat could possibly have happened in 2010 to change this trajectory. Probably had something to do with solar flares, or lazy british workers. The measurement of 'productivity' and especially comparisons between countries is problematical. It's defined as GDP divided by total hours worked. But. for example, how do you measure the productivity of the NHS when it's free? Other European countries have much more private sector involvement and therefore can use actual price data. Just as with the import/export figures, the ONS are continually changing their methodology which makes it even harder to do historical comparisons. Frankly, I just don't believe that graph. If anyone's interested, unlikely I know, the ONS methodology is described here - www.ons.gov.uk/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/publicservicesproductivity/methodologies/howtocompareandinterpretonsproductivitymeasures
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 17, 2022 18:54:53 GMT
As there has been concern about drought conditions in certain parts of the country, we now know the simplest solution to the problem. Hold a cricket test match in each affected area. And/or declare a drought. I mentioned about 100 pages ago that we needed a minister for drought. The spirit of Denis Howell lives on, obviously. He's probably looking down fondly upon us all from a Cumulonimbus near you. The Rain Man from Small Heath. Very much a Labour wet. 😁🌨️⚡
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Post by oldnat on Aug 17, 2022 19:02:20 GMT
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"[Labour] NEC reported paid up membership was about 380,000 a while back so still falling."
Isn't that a situation faced by most parties? Certainly in Scotland. SNP, SLab and SLD have all lost members (SCon don't publish numbers) over the period of pandemic and cost of living crises. The need to save on unnecessary spending seems likely to be just as much (if not more of) a reason than political disagreement, to fail to renew the annual subscription.
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Post by steve on Aug 17, 2022 19:13:28 GMT
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Post by oldnat on Aug 17, 2022 19:37:55 GMT
Anent privatisation of utilities
While a little dated (now that ScotRail is back in public ownership) this is a powerful bit of campaigning resource from TSSA. The problem with all such material is getting sufficient coverage to counter the propaganda from UKGov.www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvagsSOlAy4
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Post by RAF on Aug 17, 2022 19:44:14 GMT
I've certainly heard that she spends most of her time in Greenwich - which is odd given her anti-metropolitan rhetoric.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 17, 2022 19:45:10 GMT
At least she managed to pick somewhere in the U.K. It could have been Uzbekistan, or Greenland, or the Olympus Mons
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Post by steve on Aug 17, 2022 19:48:54 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 17, 2022 19:58:22 GMT
And not just Oxford, Norfolk, Leeds and Greenwich: "Liz Truss is making her opening statements at the hustings on the Culloden estate, near Belfast. She says having grown up in both Scotland and England, she is a “child of the union”." Our SNP correspondents might be interested in this statement from her as well: "I think we need we are a United Kingdom and we need to apply laws right across the United Kingdom. That is what being a union is." She was saying it in respect of abortion law, where a majority of us would agree with her, but presumably she would say the same of other things too.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 17, 2022 20:33:11 GMT
Indeed, targeted help on just the poorest isn’t nearly enough. Modern civilisations depend on using a lot of energy, and using more energy tends to be correlated with growth, and provided we can do it sustainably it might be handy to be able to use even more, to power a load of recycling, vertical farming, lab-grown meat, cheaper maglev, desalination, carbon dioxide removal from the atmosphere, supercomputers, maybe even VTOL taxis... Cutting energy use may let the private sector charge more for less energy anyway, and they’ve been ramping up prices for years. Fuel poverty has been a thing for years, hence introducing the winter fuel allowance. Which is why we need rather more state involvement.
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Post by hireton on Aug 17, 2022 21:10:03 GMT
And not just Oxford, Norfolk, Leeds and Greenwich: "Liz Truss is making her opening statements at the hustings on the Culloden estate, near Belfast. She says having grown up in both Scotland and England, she is a “child of the union”." Our SNP correspondents might be interested in this statement from her as well: "I think we need we are a United Kingdom and we need to apply laws right across the United Kingdom. That is what being a union is." She was saying it in respect of abortion law, where a majority of us would agree with her, but presumably she would say the same of other things too. It's not that surprising. You have questioned my use of the The description of British nationalism but this is it in action. Here are some other gems from the hustings which signal a determined assault not just on devolution but on the very basis of the union:
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Post by alec on Aug 17, 2022 21:12:51 GMT
Looks like in the US, the CDC is buckling down and looking to understand what it got badly wrong over covid. It's new director has accepted they made some dramatic errors, and were generally not fit to meet the challenge of covid.
The details are less significant than the acceptance that mistakes were made and change needed. In this country, we still kid ourselves that we had a reasonable response. I'd really like to see some recognition that the science advisory system got far too close to politicians, and was far too timid in challenging false statements by ministers, for one thing, but we are still making some of the howlers the CDC has made - like 5 day isolation recommendation for a disease that commonly remains infectious for twice that length. But in the UK there is no sign at all of any appetite for reform.
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