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Post by robbiealive on Aug 17, 2022 12:21:03 GMT
Slight worry that Truss is making such a hash of this that she might not actually win - although if the doddery blue rinsers vote early, perhaps it won't matter. She is displaying vividly though why she will likely be such an electoral burden on the Conservatives. Starmer seems to have done the Perry Mason Lawyer bit. You should all know that the verdict always hangs on the last minute bombshell. Yes anyone so far ahead in the polls should just consolidate their lead. Perhaps she just can't stop gabbing, or her "team" are giving her bad advice. John Rentoul in the Indy is pretty anti-Starmer but even he likes Starmer's fix, as politics not policy. As you are embarrking on a career as a stand-up I thought you might be interested in his top 10 Twitter jokes. Some were quite "subtle" tho I didn;t get no. 10. www.independent.co.uk/voices/top-10-jokes-on-twitter-b2142970.html
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Post by alec on Aug 17, 2022 12:22:40 GMT
leftieliberal - "Appalling behaviour by Scottish Nationalists leads to censure by SNP leader:..." Yes, but great to see the Scottish Nationalist leader jump in firstly to condemn her supporters behaviour and second to openly support both this journalist and journalists in general.
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It will be interesting to see what the Tory Party membership is when they release the figures for the leadership election now underway.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sunak ends up with fewer votes than the 44,683 their candidate in Sleaford and North Hykeham achieved in 2019 (their highest tally in any one constituency).
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 17, 2022 12:31:12 GMT
Well, there is the need to travel vertically to get beyond most of the atmosphere before your speed ramps up, in order to avoid too much pressure, as alurqa points out, but the atmosphere also causes considerable heating as you go faster (indeed this was an issue in the design of Concorde and a reason it travelled at higher altitudes than normal jets). incidentally, if you travel more vertically initially, you can use gravity to help pull you into the horizontal later, saving on fuel, known as a gravity turn. (It’s a similar principal to using the gravity of Jupiter to slingshot a probe towards the outer planets). Launching from 40,000 feet (13 km) you are already above 95% of the atmosphere. I think you need to read up on what a gravity turn is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_turn because it isn't the same as the slingshot manouevre. Like I said before Musk is talking b******t. (The only part that is right is the bit about needing a humoungous-sized aircraft if you wanted to launch a big payload, like his man-carrying launchers). I've seen the Saturn rockets both at Kennedy Space Centre and at Huntsville and they are longer than football fields. It might not be exactly the same, but as I said it is similar in that you get a gravity assist. Thus, as I said, a gravity turn helps save fuel. Are you disputing this? Secondly, it might be above 95% of the atmosphere, but you are going faster, so there is a lot of pressure. As a reference point, Max Q (max dynamic pressure) for the Space Shuttle for example was between 11 and 13km, or roughly 36-to-42 thousand feet, and the SpaceX Falcon is similar I think, which is higher than the launch altitude of the Virgin rocket from the jumbo, which they say is actually 35,000 feet. “The carrier aircraft will travel to an altitude of approximately 35,000 feet where the rocket is released” www.gov.uk/government/publications/virgin-orbit-satellite-projectAlso as I said, there is heating to consider. If you go more horizontal earlier and stay in the Atmosphere for longer and hence at higher speeds, you will be subject to more heating, which even for Concorde at 55,000 feet was a design limitation.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 17, 2022 12:41:05 GMT
Oh I think he does.[1] Rockets need speed. The problem is the atmosphere gets in the way, so you need as little of your flight to occur within the atmosphere as possible. That's why they go straight up, they get through MaxQ, which depends on both velocity and air pressure, and then they can start to accelerate to the required orbital velocity. Once past MaxQ they can safely begin to increase the horizontal velocity component with less and less atmosphere to worry about. Concorde could only go so fast, and had to fly extremely high (but still in the atmosphere) to achieve this speed, simply because the atmosphere got in the way, as it were. It was fighting its own MaxQ, but in a different way. [1] He spent $100m of his own money to get Falcon 1 into orbit. Everybody thought he was crazy. When the Russians wouldn't sell him some of their old ICBMs, he had to build his rocket from scratch. Then no one would help him, no one from Nasa would work for him so he had to become his own chief engineer. Now everybody wants to be his friend. He recently raised another $200m of funding to keep his amazing Starship project going. :-) My background is in Physics, and I can tell when people are writing about what they don't understand. What you are ignoring with your Concorde comparison is that Concord had air-breathing engines and wings for lift and that dictated the height it flew at. It took some pretty amazing engineering to make an aircraft (A-12/SR-71) that flew at up to Mach 3.5 and 26km. You need to understand that the Earth's atmosphere does not suddenly cut off at a certain height, there is an exponential reduction in pressure with altitude: at 10km the atmospheric pressure is 10% of that at ground level and each time you go 10 km further up it falls by another factor of 10. A large amount of fuel for a ground-based vertically-launched rocket is used to get it slowly through the lower atmosphere; I remember that the Saturn V only accelerated at about 0.25 g from the launchpad, but was accelerating at over 7g just before first-stage burnout. You only have to look at how small a rocket engine the Virgin Galactic sub-orbital vehicle has, compared with one of SpaceX's launchers, to understand that the principal requirement for orbit is horizontal, not vertical speed. Sure, the atmosphere thins as you go higher, as I said, but your speed increases! So max Q (maximum dynamic pressure) tends not to occur at launch where the atmosphere is thickest, but some miles up, when the rocket is going much faster, and where increase in pressure due to speed outweighing the decrease due to thinner atmosphere. (After which the pressure declines again). “ The max q condition is the point when an aerospace vehicle's atmospheric flight reaches maximum dynamic pressure. This is a significant factor in the design of such vehicles because the aerodynamic structural load on them is proportional to dynamic pressure. This may impose limits on the vehicle's flight envelope.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_q“ For a launch of a rocket from the ground into space, dynamic pressure is:
zero at lift-off, when the air density ρ is high but the vehicle's speed v = 0
zero outside the atmosphere, where the speed v is high, but the air density ρ = 0
always non-negative, given the quantities involved
During the launch, the rocket speed increases but the air density decreases as the rocket rises. Therefore, (by Rolle's theorem) there is a point where the dynamic pressure is maximum.” I.e. max dynamic pressure occurs somewhere between lift off and leaving the atmosphere. Which is where the combined effect of atmospheric density and the rocket speed is at a maximum. (Typically some miles up, above most of the atmosphere).
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Post by Danny on Aug 17, 2022 12:56:50 GMT
This is where we need to be focusing covid action - There have been a number of key breakthroughs in identifying antibodies that go way beyond the spike protein which could protect against all sars type viruses, and if these could be delivered by nasal spray, we have the chance to pitch for a pan-coronavirus neutralizing vaccine. We really could (and should) be talking about elimination of covid as a medium term objective. However, the false 'learn to live with it' narrative has taken attention away from the focus we need, on second generation vaccines as well as short term transmission reduction measures. I suspect that part of the problem here is that everyone things of covid as a coronavirus, and links this to the common cold, also a coronavirus. This is misleading. Covid is actually a sars virus, completely different to the common cold. They are classified as coronaviruses purely because when looked at under a microscope you can see a corona like outer layer. Er, obviously corona viruses are so called because they have the corona of spikes. But that also means they really are related to each other. There are a number of corona viruses in regular circulation -pre covid- which cause illness we would probably simply call colds. A researcher interviewed said kids get 3 or 4 infections each year, the number falling as people get older. Just the same pattern as covid. It is thought these corona viruses had similar impact to covid when they first arrived in the human population and caused historically recorded 'flu' epidemics. There's a reason why our current epidemic is called covid 19. A glance at wikipedia suggests SARS is covid-1, it also says "A virus very similar to SARS was discovered in late 2019. This virus, named severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), is the causative pathogen of COVID-19, the propagation of which started the COVID-19 pandemic.[11]" About the next arrival MERS it says, "MERS-CoV is one of seven known coronaviruses to infect humans, including HCoV-229E, HCoV-NL63, HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU1, the original SARS-CoV (or SARS-CoV-1), and SARS-CoV-2.[10] It has frequently been referred to as a SARS-like virus.[11] By November, 2019, 2,494 cases of MERS had been reported with 858 deaths, implying a case fatality rate of greater than 30%.[12]" And about corona viruses in general it says, "Coronaviruses are a group of related RNA viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans and birds, they cause respiratory tract infections that can range from mild to lethal. Mild illnesses in humans include some cases of the common cold (which is also caused by other viruses, predominantly rhinoviruses), while more lethal varieties can cause SARS, MERS and COVID-19, which is causing the ongoing pandemic. In cows and pigs they cause diarrhea, while in mice they cause hepatitis and encephalomyelitis. " It says about 15% of colds are caused by coronaviruses. I dont object if science finds a means to effectively vaccinate the entire world against corona viruses. What I would say is that is pretty much what we were promised in 2020, but the result in fact was a vaccine which was only moderately successful against the then current strain of covid, and is seen as increasingly ineffectual as the virus mutates. In 2020 thought obviously went to campaigns in the 60s to develop vaccines against colds, which obvioulsy failed and had not made any effective progress up to 2019. We were promised something better. It failed. Science obviously builds upon its failures, but you seem endlessly optimistic about the claims of big industry whose job is to sell the nation the new wonder drug, which will be discontinued the moment its patent expires. There are two reasons why the vaccines failed. The first is that covid and similar viruses readily mutate. This isnt going to change. Such viruses become really dangerous after they are eliminated from the human population but continue in animal reservoirs (or indeed isolated human ones), where they change a lot until they can return, because they have overcome all our existing immunity. Thats exactly what happened with covid. Whereas a related corona virus killing people in Victorian England because it was new, is still now in circulation but just causes colds. The second, is that vaccines can only work via the human immune system. That immune system quite deliberately dials down our immune response to diseases after a few months. Obviously it does this for a good reason. And one good reason is because getting repeat infections, perhaps as it changes a little, allows us to update our immunity while we still have a big reserve of stored immunity which is still effective, to call upon. Human protection against viruses works in part by taming them and keeping them circulating to maintain our overall immunity. If you introduced a vaccine which really could temporarily eradicate covid, then you create the dangerous situation where it will return only after it has become truly dangerous once again. For an example of this in action, just consider the current panic about the possibility of a return of polio, which doesnt change much anyway.
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 17, 2022 13:05:15 GMT
Moving away from politics, here is an interesting article in the Guardian's Techscape series: www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/17/techscape-bounties-and-monkey-business-cryptos-bug-infestationWhile the provenance of monkey pictures really doesn't affect most of the world, when you find statements like: "Such issues are by no means confined to Yuga Labs, or the crypto sector at large. Last week, Google’s cybersecurity team, Project Zero, announced the discovery of a new security vulnerability in Android. Well, it was new to them: the exploit had already been used by hackers “since at least November 2020”. But the root cause of the bug was older still, and had been reported to the open-source development team in August 2016 – and a proposed fix had been rejected a month later.
"That is years of meaningful security weaknesses for almost every Android phone on the market, despite the problem being visible in the public record for anyone to see."
it should be worrying us all. I won't use mobile banking because I don't trust the basic security of my Android phone and this example shows I am well justified.
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Post by Danny on Aug 17, 2022 13:16:45 GMT
My background is in Physics, and I can tell when people are writing about what they don't understand. What you are ignoring with your Concorde comparison is that Concord had air-breathing engines and wings for lift and that dictated the height it flew at. It took some pretty amazing engineering to make an aircraft (A-12/SR-71) that flew at up to Mach 3.5 and 26km. You need to understand that the Earth's atmosphere does not suddenly cut off at a certain height, there is an exponential reduction in pressure with altitude: at 10km the atmospheric pressure is 10% of that at ground level and each time you go 10 km further up it falls by another factor of 10. A large amount of fuel for a ground-based vertically-launched rocket is used to get it slowly through the lower atmosphere; I remember that the Saturn V only accelerated at about 0.25 g from the launchpad, but was accelerating at over 7g just before first-stage burnout. You only have to look at how small a rocket engine the Virgin Galactic sub-orbital vehicle has, compared with one of SpaceX's launchers, to understand that the principal requirement for orbit is horizontal, not vertical speed. To escape from the earth you have to overcome gravity, and no one has mentined that so far. Radius of earth about 5 km. gravitational force is an inverse square law, 1/r^2. so if you increase the distance from the core from 5km to 15km (ie height of 10,000 km), then gravitaional force is about 1/10 that at the surface. in other words, you will have already done most of the work of escaping from the earths gravity. And you can do all that using a reusable aeroplane instead of a rather inefficient rocket. A rocket is needed later because 1) you cannot generate lift from the atmosphere because it is too thin (ie no lift under wings), and as mentioned 2) you have to take an oxidiser with you as part of your fuel load. It does make sense to use different methods of lift where there is atmosphere to where there isnt (much).
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 17, 2022 13:24:23 GMT
Oh I think he does.[1] Rockets need speed. The problem is the atmosphere gets in the way, so you need as little of your flight to occur within the atmosphere as possible. That's why they go straight up, they get through MaxQ, which depends on both velocity and air pressure, and then they can start to accelerate to the required orbital velocity. Once past MaxQ they can safely begin to increase the horizontal velocity component with less and less atmosphere to worry about. Concorde could only go so fast, and had to fly extremely high (but still in the atmosphere) to achieve this speed, simply because the atmosphere got in the way, as it were. It was fighting its own MaxQ, but in a different way. [1] He spent $100m of his own money to get Falcon 1 into orbit. Everybody thought he was crazy. When the Russians wouldn't sell him some of their old ICBMs, he had to build his rocket from scratch. Then no one would help him, no one from Nasa would work for him so he had to become his own chief engineer. Now everybody wants to be his friend. He recently raised another $200m of funding to keep his amazing Starship project going. :-) You only have to look at how small a rocket engine the Virgin Galactic sub-orbital vehicle has, compared with one of SpaceX's launchers, to understand that the principal requirement for orbit is horizontal, not vertical speed. you can also see the Virgin rocket turn upwards on release, once it has gotten clear of the first stage airplane, instead of staying horizontal! in fact, even the sub-orbital flight that won the X Prize, which also launched from an aircraft, transferred from horizontal to a more vertical trajectory on release youtu.be/guzZqv_SlWUFor Virgin Orbit, further indication that the rocket pitches up more toward the vertical on release: “ A trajectory overview for the VCLS mission is provided in Fig. 6. Following release and a stable descent away from the carrier aircraft, the Newton 3 main engine ignited and LauncherOne proceeded into a controlled pitch-up maneuver called a gamma turn, shown in Fig. 1. The intent of this maneuver is to continue to turn the flight path angle of the trajectory higher, eventually directing it towards space. LauncherOne is the first orbital air-launched vehicle conceived to perform this maneuver without the aid of a wing, and instead achieves substantial turning performance via gimbaling of the Newton 3 engine.” digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5034&context=smallsatIncidentally, Virgin say that at the point of releasing the rocket, it is only above 75% of the atmosphere, not 95% “75% — the amount of atmosphere LauncherOne has cleared at the point of release” virginorbit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/LauncherOne-Service-Guide-August-2020.pdf
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Post by Danny on Aug 17, 2022 13:25:42 GMT
"As inflation rockets, Liz Truss has accused the Bank of England of having been too slow to increase interest rates." Danny Blanchflower interviewed on R4 this lunchtime was arguing that the bank of England should have cut interest rates, not raised them.
His argument is that inflation is indeed temporary, and there are already indications of commodity prices falling. He didnt say it, but if that is true then futures markets will be quietly trying to shout doom and exploding inflation, while closing their positions in preparation for making just as much money on tumbling prices, while we all still pay for energy bought on the futures markets. However, Blanchflower considers the risk is of deflation in a year or two and massive recession much worse than 2008. Not least because of banks hiking interest rates now when they should already be trying to boost the economy by keeping interest low.
Yes but anyone including people who actually favour the democratic party can register as republicans and then get a vote in republican primary elections in the US. Its a very odd system of choosing a party candidate. I'm not even aware it costs anything to do so?
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Post by superted on Aug 17, 2022 13:26:59 GMT
Not read all of the replies here so might be missing something but the radius of the earth isn't 5km, its over 6,000km.
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Post by johntel on Aug 17, 2022 13:28:00 GMT
Sigh - you just don't get it, and I don't think you ever will. In about 20 years time ads such as this will be seen in the same way that 'It aint half hot mum', 'Love thy neighbour' etc are seen now generally seen (I'm sure Mercian still finds them hilarious - they are a bit before my time but I have seen clips of them), as completely inappropriate and offensive. The point is people such as yourself cant really do anything about the misogyny of the Taliban, but if you were a true ally you would do what you could to support women in our society. Calling out stereotypical tropes that negatively portray women - in what ever form they are communicated - is something you and others could do! ......at which point I will leave this conversion before it gets even more personal. colin Well I'll join it then 1. I think it's a bloody awful advert, but then I would never buy Crown paint anyway because I've found it to be not as good as Dulux. 2. All publicity is good publicity, so I should think Crown is quite pleased abut the furore. 3. lululemonmustdobetter This ad was in a series of ads using the same characters and a storyline, i.e. a mini-soap. If you say that you can't show uncomfortable views or situations in an ad, then it's only a small step to saying the same applies to characters in a TV drama, novel or film.
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Post by alec on Aug 17, 2022 13:54:53 GMT
Pope doing well at the test
Got me wondering if the selectors could recall Matt Prior, then find a man called Bishop who can play, alongside a bowling attack of Deacon, Priest, and Vickers. There would be a place for a Parsons somewhere, and if there was a Warden that could bat we'd be nearly there for an Ecclesiastical First XI. Bit stuck on the last four places, but if we were looking at the women's game that one called Trinity from the Matrix might fancy a game?
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Post by domjg on Aug 17, 2022 13:57:23 GMT
Not read all of the replies here so might be missing something but the radius of the earth isn't 5km, its over 6,000km. darn it, I was hoping to circumnavigate the globe on my after work walk..
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Post by alec on Aug 17, 2022 14:01:05 GMT
@danny - have to say it, but without really studying the data, intuitively I tend to agree with Blanchflower.
Companies are already starting to go bust now, seemingly because they cannot pass on their inflation costs to consumers. If there is a relatively rapid end to the UKraine war, then we can expect part of the inflationary push to dissipate, and regardless we are undergoing a massive squeeze on consumer incomes. That can't happen without an ongoing impact on spending.
I felt that the BoE should have been raising rates slowly going back to perhaps 2015, but they are now turbocharging rate rises despite mounting evidence that pay deals are coming in well below inflation, so the fear of embedding inflation seems excessive, against the fear of crashing an already weak economy.
An added thought; if Blanchflower is correct, it actually makes Labour's energy price cap look even more inspired. A temporary measure to tide over a difficult but time limited period.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 17, 2022 14:02:22 GMT
Pope doing well at the test
Got me wondering if the selectors could recall Matt Prior, then find a man called Bishop who can play, alongside a bowling attack of Deacon, Priest, and Vickers. There would be a place for a Parsons somewhere, and if there was a Warden that could bat we'd be nearly there for an Ecclesiastical First XI. Bit stuck on the last four places, but if we were looking at the women's game that one called Trinity from the Matrix might fancy a game? For your Bishop you could bring Ian out of retirement, he's only 54. Other possible names - Monk, Nunn (I have known people with both surnames).
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 17, 2022 14:04:07 GMT
Yougov poll, is Truss's honeymoon over :-) With the usual caveat that it's YouGov and their tendency to have huge swings between each poll.
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Post by mercian on Aug 17, 2022 14:05:52 GMT
I just watched it again. I really don't get the offense. Its a light hearted ad. Everyone is portrayed as happy. I don't see the misogyny in it. Please don't question my opinion about the misogyny which condemns Afghan women to utter social exclusion. I think the offense being heaped upon them ( thanks to Trump/Biden & NATO) is not , in any conceivable manner, to be equated to the content of that Crown paint advert. I am quite disappointed that you think it is. Sigh - you just don't get it, and I don't think you ever will. In about 20 years time ads such as this will be seen in the same way that 'It aint half hot mum', 'Love thy neighbour' etc are seen now generally seen (I'm sure Mercian still finds them hilarious - they are a bit before my time but I have seen clips of them), as completely inappropriate and offensive.
First of all, I object to you assuming what I think. Secondly I'm guessing that the objection to 'It ain't half hot mum' is because of Michael Bates blacked up as the Indian bearer. Perhaps that wouldn't be done now, but the main characters were the Welsh sergeant-major and 'Lofty'. one of the soldiers. So is it offensive to Welsh people or short people? If so, I've never heard any of them object. Lots of different types are lampooned in comedy. What about Dad's army from the same era? That was an all-white cast and fun was had at the antics of the pompous bank manager and the dim-witted boy and several doddery old people. Should that be banned in case it offends those groups? Many comedies poked fun at inept white men, such as Terry Scott in Terry and June and Richard Briers in The Good Life and many others. Are certain groups to be exempt from being laughed at? Why?
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Post by alec on Aug 17, 2022 14:08:48 GMT
pjw1961 - of course! Monk, Nun and Abbot and we're just about there.
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Post by mercian on Aug 17, 2022 14:11:45 GMT
@danny "There's a reason why our current epidemic is called covid 19. A glance at wikipedia suggests SARS is covid-1,"
A glance at Wikipedia also says "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a contagious disease caused by a virus, the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). The first known case was identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019." [NB NOT Hastings!] and "The Director-General, Tedros Adhanom explained that CO stands for corona, VI for virus, D for disease, and 19 for 2019, the year in which the outbreak was first identified"
For someone who obsesses about it so much you seem to have a shaky grasp of some of the basics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 14:11:50 GMT
Sigh - you just don't get it, and I don't think you ever will. In about 20 years time ads such as this will be seen in the same way that 'It aint half hot mum', 'Love thy neighbour' etc are seen now generally seen (I'm sure Mercian still finds them hilarious - they are a bit before my time but I have seen clips of them), as completely inappropriate and offensive.
First of all, I object to you assuming what I think. Secondly I'm guessing that the objection to 'It ain't half hot mum' is because of Michael Bates blacked up as the Indian bearer. Perhaps that wouldn't be done now, but the main characters were the Welsh sergeant-major and 'Lofty'. one of the soldiers. So is it offensive to Welsh people or short people? If so, I've never heard any of them object. Lots of different types are lampooned in comedy. What about Dad's army from the same era? That was an all-white cast and fun was had at the antics of the pompous bank manager and the dim-witted boy and several doddery old people. Should that be banned in case it offends those groups? Many comedies poked fun at inept white men, such as Terry Scott in Terry and June and Richard Briers in The Good Life and many others. Are certain groups to be exempt from being laughed at? Why? Not one moment of it was ever, even remotely, funny. (Dad's Army was, though)
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 17, 2022 14:15:44 GMT
leftieliberal - "Appalling behaviour by Scottish Nationalists leads to censure by SNP leader:..." Yes, but great to see the Scottish Nationalist leader jump in firstly to condemn her supporters behaviour and second to openly support both this journalist and journalists in general. All true Except for the fact she isn't the "Scottish Nationalist" leader and they aren't "her supporters"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 14:17:06 GMT
Not one moment of it was ever, even remotely, funny. (Dad's Army was, though) Another by them, Hi-Di- Hi was equally lamentably unfunny. Dad's Army must have just exhausted Croft & Perry and left no funny jokes left. Either that or the characters just didn't work.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 17, 2022 14:27:18 GMT
Pope doing well at the test
Got me wondering if the selectors could recall Matt Prior, then find a man called Bishop who can play, alongside a bowling attack of Deacon, Priest, and Vickers. There would be a place for a Parsons somewhere, and if there was a Warden that could bat we'd be nearly there for an Ecclesiastical First XI. Bit stuck on the last four places, but if we were looking at the women's game that one called Trinity from the Matrix might fancy a game? Additional surnames include: Pastor, Friar, Dean, Rector
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 17, 2022 14:46:27 GMT
The Brexit Section of the G.P., quadrupled in size by Mogg's post-2016 recruitment, has also ruled that posters avoid fancy, foreign words - Nouveau Cognoscenti - and instead use Anglo-Saxon equivalents where possible. Vorsprung durch Muttersprache
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Post by robbiealive on Aug 17, 2022 14:58:15 GMT
......at which point I will leave this conversion before it gets even more personal. colin Well I'll join it then 1. I think it's a bloody awful advert, but then I would never buy Crown paint anyway because I've found it to be not as good as Dulux. 2. All publicity is good publicity, so I should think Crown is quite pleased abut the furore. 3. lululemonmustdobetter This ad was in a series of ads using the same characters and a storyline, i.e. a mini-soap. If you say that you can't show uncomfortable views or situations in an ad, then it's only a small step to saying the same applies to characters in a TV drama, novel or film. (I'm banged up with possible Covid, can't even read: so forgive over-posting.) I'm not sure about 2. I think 3 is wide of the mark. 1. The Crown advert inverts the usual "loving-couple-make-new-house-&-baby" or "emerge-smiling-and-happy-from mortagage-interview-approval" sagas by suggesting the woman has affairs: the nuturing angel in the house has become a faithless slut. She is either one or the other. The home is either idealised or broken: both for effect. 2. Viewers of adverts are in a sense a passive even captive audience, & they are captured at a v young age. They don't choose to watch adverts. They happen. Adverts generally promote a stereotyped view of gender roles & viewers are subject to endless exposure from a v early age. They literally watch hundreds of 000s of adverts. People who read books, watch films, etc make a choice & their critical faculties are in some sort of action. There is a possibility of debate. "What a load of rubbish", "Didnt believe a word of it." They may occasonally be required question their assumptions: when does this ever happen in an ad. When they watch adverts their critical guard is down. 3. For the persistence of stereotyping watch these two Fairy Liquid ads which are separted by nearly 30 years, 1970 & late '90s. www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVFC_enGB953GB953&sxsrf=ALiCzsb8QOFBjhNu7jnXUtx1sEzDac5sIA:1660746325117&q=Fairy+Liquid+advert+1970&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-35SWis75AhWCQkEAHS2sA5cQ1QJ6BAguEAE&biw=1138&bih=627&dpr=1.35 www.facebook.com/yesterkids/videos/classic-british-advertfairy-liquid-missing-treasure-1990snow-hands-that-do-dishe/214385753761688/a. The message is the same: the cast is woman & child: the product's main characteristic is not cost or even efficacy, but that it's mild; that it won't hurt women's hands is suggested by the fact the accompaning child almost bathes in the stuff. b. As well as the woman being stereotyped as the domestic, worried about her delicate body, so are the kids. In the 1st, the girl is clutching a doll; she is a mother in the making; in the second, the boy plays at being a police constable, a manly occupation. He arrests his mother: he is an important father n the making. But change is possible, if etxernal societal pressure is applied. The 2020 advert shows an animated gender-free super-baby doing the washing-up, with unusually a female voiceover. 2022 shows a man very briefly, almost subliminally, wielding a washing-up brush & has same baby at greater length. Efficacy is now the theme. It's taken 50 years! but progress has been made.
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Post by hireton on Aug 17, 2022 14:58:35 GMT
leftieliberal - "Appalling behaviour by Scottish Nationalists leads to censure by SNP leader:..." Yes, but great to see the Scottish Nationalist leader jump in firstly to condemn her supporters behaviour and second to openly support both this journalist and journalists in general. All true Except for the fact she isn't the "Scottish Nationalist" leader and they aren't "her supporters" From the banners, there seems to have been a contingent from Siol nan Gaidheal and Alba there so definitely not Sturgeon supporters!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 15:11:49 GMT
It was shocking :- -Mavis Pike - misogynistic nudge nudge wink wink references to nooky with Wilson and Hodges. -Marcia Fox- misogynistic , sexist references to one of Jones' " ladies "who liked a bit of "extra sausage" and whose late husband liked " a bit of steak". - Private Godfrey-ageist theme of weak bladder as a humorous reference -Private Frazer-stereotypical portrayal of dour, trouble-stirring, exaggerating, judgemental, two faced Scot. -Lance Corporal Jones-constant racist references to " Fuzzy Wuzzies" -Private Pike-cruel portrayal of a 17 year old as naive childish mummies boy with limited intelligence -The Vicar-blatantly suggestive , homophobic camp portrayal -Sergeant Wilson-stereotypical portrayal of upper middle class snootiness allied to sexist nudge nudge wink wink wink references to Pike being his son -Captain Mainwaring-stereotypical portrayal of working class self consciousness ,expressed as pompous seniority and xenophobia ( the French are emotional and smell of garlic, the Russians are communists, the Americans have German names, and the Italians like opera ) -U Boat captain-xenophobic portrayal of smug surly German speaking in German sounding English.
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