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Post by mandolinist on Aug 12, 2022 12:11:28 GMT
mandolinist - exception prove the rules, as they say, but your points are appreciated. Perhaps I exaggerate, but on the plus side, there will be a couple of homes that could save 30% to make up for your existing efficiency, I'm sure. I think johntel has already suggested jumpers and turning down the thermostat. This may not be appropriate for you, but it is a fact of life that the average home temperature in winter in the UK has risen over the last 50 years from around 18C to 21C. That costs a huge amount of money and carbon, and isn't really necessary. Sorry for my rather snarky response to your earlier post. I get a little cross about the lessons on how to suck eggs. As a family we have worked really hard over many years to reduce our energy consumption. Anything more than we have already done would cost a fortune to retrofit and likely be refused for listed building consent.
I don't understand how anyone can live in the super heated homes that many have, 18 degrees is perfectly adequate most of the time, but in really cold damp weather even I can get tempted by 19! We never heat our bedroom, hot water bottles and a decent duvet with warm air which has risen up stairs is more than enough. I do draw the line at chillblains though, which I suffered throughout my childhood.
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Post by reggieside on Aug 12, 2022 12:13:13 GMT
Truss is more like teressa may crossed with boris johnson. The stilted, robotic coldness of May combined with Johnson's sociopathic narcissism. But lacking mays intellect or johnson's performative charisma - (and crafty deviousness). How she got to be in any sort of position of power is an utter mystery.
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Post by alec on Aug 12, 2022 12:15:53 GMT
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Post by mandolinist on Aug 12, 2022 12:20:09 GMT
mobyI haven't replied to you sooner because I don't know the answer. Be aware that blocking all air circulation is a particular problem in really old house, it can lead to damp and problems with deathwatch beetles. The listed property owners organisation have some good information, some of which you can access on line without joining. Good luck.
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Post by pete on Aug 12, 2022 12:39:11 GMT
Danny You've made your point. If anyone who matters reads this site, they've got the message. The rest of us are bored with it, whether we agree or not. It's over. I’m not bored with it. But that’s cos I haven’t read a Danny post for well over year. Haven’t read this one either but - obviously - just wanted to check what you had written in response to whatever he wrote. I read Danny's posts. I skim read first looking for the word 'Covid' then ignore but he does write some interesting stuff on other subjects...just not Covid.
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Post by pete on Aug 12, 2022 12:42:58 GMT
Can somebody cleverer than me explain how allowing fuel bills to quadruple by January won't suck sufficient disposable income from the circulation to lead to mass unemployment and breaking the economy? This is exactly what will happen - and is already happening...and we've only had a fraction of the forthcoming price rises as yet. Many in retail are already reporting that sales are tanking, less so as yet in hospitality. Despite the media coverage there are plenty of people who are not rich by any standard, but, up until now, surviving reasonably well who are unaware of just how bad the near future will be. It's going to come as a shock. As things stand, the economy is going to tank utterly. It's simple maths. Why this isn't eing shouted from the rooftops is beyond me. Yes. I brought it up a few days ago when I said I'd stopped going to the pub. Businesses are going to go under in there hundreds of thousands. Unemployment will rise. Civil unrest will be upon us as people lose their homes and we will not have enough Police to control what's coming...hope I'm wrong but I see deaths and not just from the cold and hunger.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 12, 2022 12:47:59 GMT
Truss is more like teressa may crossed with boris johnson… oh god oh god oh god oh god…
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 12, 2022 12:58:23 GMT
I suspect this is because some on the Right in British politics have seen mileage in defining anti-Semitism as left wing racism. I noticed during the very damaging period for Labour under Corbyn, when the party first became associated with anti-semitism, that right wing politicians were exploiting it mercilessly. It was hypocritical but mightily effective. It resonated with voters in the 2019 election. It served two very useful purposes for the Right. It took attention away from the racism, including anti semitism, that underpins various brands of right wing politics, and it undermined Labour's moral authority on racism more generally. This is Truss's game here, I think. Wokeism, anti semitism, liberal elites etc...
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Post by pete on Aug 12, 2022 12:59:31 GMT
JiB: "increasingly scant morsels of negative news you can try and blame on Brexit."They are not scant, they are not morsels, and there is no need to 'try' to blame them on brexit. Try this one for size. Last week, Rees-Mogg admitted that an extra 91,000 civil servants had been needed since 2016, at a direct cost of "at least £3.5bn per year." to that, of course, has to be added the opportunity cost of all the more productive work all those people could otherwise be doing. A little bit of mendacious calculation and that could come out at a 'rounded up' £350 million a week. How might that figure be got across to the more impressionable parts of the electorate? I know, we could put it on the side of a bus and say it could have been spent on the NHS. In the meantime, perhaps you'd like to have a go at proving "at least £3.5bn a year" is a scant morsel? Or that it isn't really a consequence of brexit, just something that remainers "try to blame" it on? There are plenty more examples where that one came from. But, oddly, those who claim there isn't evidence of brexit harm seem strangely reluctant to engage with the contrary evidence when it's presented to them. Don't bother me with the facts, I'm a brexit believer, eh? Civil servants to deliver the remit of a now sovereign UK, no longer some Federalised backwater where decisions made in Brussels were rubber stamped by a complicit establishment. I'm happy we've left. It could have been a closer relationship, but Remainers didn't want to compromise. Your choice. Bulllshit. brexit is on leave shoulders. Stop being a coward and fucking own this mess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 13:05:09 GMT
the thought of a politician who combines the worst features of Thatcher and May. With a little bit of Heath thrown in too, possibly. oh god oh god oh god… Was that a sort of political orgasm?
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 12, 2022 13:24:20 GMT
Was that a sort of political orgasm? Not for me, but whatever floats your boat…
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Post by robbiealive on Aug 12, 2022 14:59:51 GMT
@ WB61, ISA. I've loved Cagney movies all my life.
In the v early '30s talkies he did much to establish a "naturalistic" movie-acting style: as in Public Enemy, where he moves beyond a wooden, stagey style. But he was all surface action. He was too dynamic to have a reflective inner life like Bogart, whose cooler style proved more durable n influential. In his final great moment Cagney in White Heat is deranged, destroyed but undefeated as he takes half the world wuth him.
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Post by wb61 on Aug 12, 2022 15:06:28 GMT
@ WB61, ISA. I've loved Cagney movies all my life. In the v early '30s talkies he did much to establish a "naturalistic" movie-acting style: as in Public Enemy, where he moves beyond a wooden, stagey style. But he was all surface action. He was too dynamic to have a reflective inner life like Bogart, whose cooler style proved more durable n influential. In his final great moment Cagney in White Heat is deranged, destroyed but undefeated as he takes half the world wuth him. However manic you still have to love the ambiguity he manages to convey in the final scene of Angels with Dirty Faces had Pat O'Brien convinced him or was he genuinely scared?
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Post by catmanjeff on Aug 12, 2022 15:07:28 GMT
Good afternoon all. I do glance over this forum most days, but life is busy, so I get little time to comment. I share the gloom from other posters about the direction of the economy headed south quickly. Does anyone really believe that we are just a Liz Truss tax cut away from turning the economy around? I don't. I've cut some items out, such as Netflix. If I liked smashed avocados I'd get rid of them too Thankfully, a new person at work car shares with me, saving about £150 per month on fuel. I had planned on replacing my car, and also getting some major DIY projects done, but those ideas are shelved for the foreseeable future. I'm lucky. A bit of nip and tuck here and there, and we'll be okay. I worry greatly about the families who number in their millions who have a much lower household income than me. I fear they will be crushed by up and coming living costs. Our government is totally absent without leave, and the likely next PM scares me to death. Nothing she has said make think she has the slightest clue how to handle the coming storm. I noted Gordon Brown's recent intervention. I didn't half yearn back to days when we had political leaders who were competent, had an understanding of complex issues and gave a sh*t about ordinary people. All the best to everyone, and I hope you find a path through troubled waters.
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Post by robbiealive on Aug 12, 2022 15:14:47 GMT
@ WB61, ISA. I've loved Cagney movies all my life. In the v early '30s talkies he did much to establish a "naturalistic" movie-acting style: as in Public Enemy, where he moves beyond a wooden, stagey style. But he was all surface action. He was too dynamic to have a reflective inner life like Bogart, whose cooler style proved more durable n influential. In his final great moment Cagney in White Heat is deranged, destroyed but undefeated as he takes half the world wuth him. However manic you still have to love the ambiguity he manages to convey in the final scene of Angels with Dirty Faces had Pat O'Brien convinced him or was he genuinely scared? The consensus is he faked it? I'm nor sure, because as you say the acting is so intense. No one else could hv pulled that scene off like he did. Likewise his lunatic grief in W Heat when he hears of Ma's death.
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Post by thexterminatingdalek on Aug 12, 2022 15:41:45 GMT
And I apologise if I sounded defensive. I don't believe the Truss line can hold, even if she truly imagines it might. Initially I favoured her as PM as she appeared most likely to destroy the Tory brand for a generation. Now she looks like taking the entire economy down with her, I'm less sanguine.
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 12, 2022 15:46:46 GMT
Mate I'm already living like the unabomber. I have a vegetable patch, a wood nearby for fuel and an axe. I'm now digging a deep hole next to the cottage for when the Russians come and guess what... I didn't ask for planning permission. I sold a book to a bloke who lost an arm to the Unabomber. My advice would be don't put in a letterbox and keep an axe to hand. My younger brother does a good version of Duelling Banjos on guitar - low rates of hire
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Post by steve on Aug 12, 2022 15:57:10 GMT
Truss of course criticises civil servants with no evidence to support her assertions , it's possible that she might of objected to some local authorities ethical investment plans in relation to pensions which can exclude investment in Israel that doesn't make them antisemitic. Of course employees of local authorities aren't civil servants but facts don't matter. It is of course entirely possible to be both not antisemitic and oppose the Israeli government action in Palestine, equating the two is just another Truss lie.
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Post by steve on Aug 12, 2022 16:04:18 GMT
Apparently Grant Shapps is claiming that allowing individuals with a car licence to.potentially drive a 40 tonne articulated lorry is a " Brexit bonus"
I look forward to my next air flight where the pilot is proud to announce they passed the cycling proficiency test with flying colours.
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Post by catmanjeff on Aug 12, 2022 16:06:50 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 12, 2022 16:25:56 GMT
In the interests of balance, and in response to the fairly vocal Get Starmer Campaign Group (GSCG) to be found often in the most unlikeliest of circles, here's what the Labour leader has said today in response to accusations that his party have been silent on the mounting cost of living crisis: -
"It was nearly 12 months ago now on energy bills that we proposed insulation of homes, a massive project to bring down the costs. In January we said there should be a windfall tax, it took the government five months to catch up with that idea and implement it. We also said that VAT should be taken off energy bills – Rishi Sunak is only just now recognising that Labour got it right again."
After trailing plans for pre-payment meters, he added:
"On Monday I’m going to be setting out a comprehensive set of proposals, a plan for how we handle the upcoming costs in the autumn, while what you’ve had from the Conservative Party is two leadership candidates arguing with each other about just how appalling their record in government has been, and a prime minister who’s a lame duck – he recognises there’s a problem and he’s not prepared to do anything about it. So, for the best part of 12 months, Labour has been absolutely leading on this issue."
Of course, why on earth the focus and opprobrium is on the party that has absolutely zero power to implement anything at the moment, or influence very much those who can, rather than on the party in power and who has been governing the country for 12 years, is a very moot point.
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Post by alec on Aug 12, 2022 16:29:20 GMT
crossbat11 - that's all very well, but what is Starmer doing about the energy crisis?
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 12, 2022 16:48:06 GMT
crossbat11 - that's all very well, but what is Starmer doing about the energy crisis? He's been asleep at the wheel again, I presume. I've just heard he's been on holiday too. Holidaygate to come soon at a tabloid near you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 17:01:45 GMT
….. it's possible that she might OF objected…. OF? ?? OF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this how you wrote your police reports?
”I twisted his neck very slightly - which unfortunately meant he spent some time in hospital ** - but otherwise he COULD OF nicked off.”
** Three mumfs.
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Post by Danny on Aug 12, 2022 17:03:31 GMT
it is a fact of life that the average home temperature in winter in the UK has risen over the last 50 years from around 18C to 21C. That costs a huge amount of money and carbon, and isn't really necessary. Er, what do you mean average? Might that be global warming of 3C? My room temperature right now is 29C, do i average so many days at that with so many at 10C in winter?
40 years ago I slept for a time in an unheated timber building. got to near 0C at night in winter. if you are talking about averages, that must surely be quite complicated or you end up comparing apples with oranges.
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Post by oldnat on Aug 12, 2022 17:04:01 GMT
"The FBI sought to locate classified documents related to nuclear weapons, among other items, when agents searched former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, this week, people familiar with the investigation told The Washington Post.
The people did not offer additional details to the Post about "what type of information the agents were seeking" or whether any such documents were recovered, according to the paper.
The revelation adds key context to the Justice Department's extraordinary decision to search the home of a former president." (CNN) My son tells me that one columnist quipped "So the raid on Mar-a-Lago was a fission expedition".
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 12, 2022 17:11:11 GMT
Aside from the barking mad civil service bit, the main takeaway from this was that she threatened to move the UK embassy to Jerusalem. All other considerations aside, I wonder if this is very good politics. The Tories have the Jewish vote largely sown up already - in 2015 when Labour had an ethnically Jewish leader and Corbyn with his pro-Palestinian views was not yet a factor, 66% of Jews were already voting Conservative. Therefore there is not much to gain there. On the other hand there are many more voters of Muslim heritage than there are Jews. These have been traditionally Labour, but as cultural issues have come to the fore they have been more inclined to listen to the Conservatives, attracted by their (small 'c') conservative social values. Certainly, Cameron and Warsi thought these voters could be won over. I fully recognise that Palestine is not a huge issue for most Muslims, nevertheless they do care at least a little and the Jerusalem thing is close to a deliberately calculated insult. Why do something that gains essentially nothing but annoys a group of voters you might potentially win over? Seems dimwitted and inept to me.
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Post by Danny on Aug 12, 2022 17:12:12 GMT
.... and there was a kind of consensus that instead of using Tier 2 student visas (2 years employment after graduation), they would offer the wage to international graduates that enable them to have a working visa. Again labour turnover was a concern, but buying time was more important for many companies present. Yeah. I have wondered before whether Thatcher really ended union power through legislation, or the reality was changing economic situation meant employers were no longer willing to give in to demands. It seems employers are now pushing wage rises, not union action. If thats general, then wage inflation is already out of control. If it's starting to look like a safe assumption now that Truss will be our next Prime Minister, then further thought needs to apply to who and what, as a country, we may soon be getting. er...surely its the exact same group of MPs with the exact same views in parliament this new term as last. Why would they vote for anything different to what they did before? The PM is only first amongst equals. If the new government does crazy things, its the entire lot of conservative MPs to blame. The 91,000 extra civil servants sounds quite significant set beside half a million early retired. And then the private sector too has presumably been taking on more staff to deal with added brexit regulations.
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Post by Danny on Aug 12, 2022 17:14:21 GMT
NHS to create thousands more hospital beds. But they may be 'virtual' beds in your own home. Do you need to have internet connection for remote monitoring?
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 12, 2022 17:22:31 GMT
….. it's possible that she might OF objected…. OF? ?? OF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this how you wrote your police reports?
”I twisted his neck very slightly - which unfortunately meant he spent some time in hospital ** - but otherwise he COULD OF nicked off.”
** Three mumfs.A point of order, Crofty. The expression "nicked off" is a cricketing term, not a policing one. When you listen to a lot of cricket commentary these days, if a batsman is deceived by some away movement of the ball, or follows a wide delivery, and gets a thin edge that is taken at either first or second slip, then he is deemed to have "nicked off." I gather Zak Crawley, the young Kent and England opener, has a technical flaw that makes him susceptible to "nicking off". According to Nasser Hussain, anyway.
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