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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 11, 2022 17:19:57 GMT
Not far off the Brexit vote. One holers for leave, two holers for remain.
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2022 17:30:50 GMT
Not far off the Brexit vote. One holers for leave, two holers for remain. Actually the responses by Brexit opinion were -
One hole - Remainers 58% : Leavers 53% Two holes - Remainers 39% : Leavers 44%
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Post by Mark on Aug 11, 2022 17:33:52 GMT
Immigration -36%That doesn't really tell us anything. Are those giving the government a negative doing so because they consider the Rwandan policy - and hostile environment in general draconian, cruel and unfair? Or are they doing so because they think that we're being 'too soft', eg, there are still people arriving in small boats? Or, as is the most likely, a mixture of the two?
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Post by alurqa on Aug 11, 2022 17:34:16 GMT
"This programme reflects the standards, language and attitudes of its time. Some viewers may find this content offensive." I wonder which of today's popular programmes will carry that warning sticker in 50 years time? Escape to the Country?
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 11, 2022 17:40:20 GMT
Not far off the Brexit vote. One holers for leave, two holers for remain. Actually the responses by Brexit opinion were -
One hole - Remainers 58% : Leavers 53% Two holes - Remainers 39% : Leavers 44%How did SNP voters break?
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 11, 2022 17:55:15 GMT
Looking at how it breaks down by party, Labour and Conservative are in close agreement on the matter, while Lib Dems differ somewhat (though of course they might subsequently align their views with the larger party once in coalition)
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2022 17:59:44 GMT
Actually the responses by Brexit opinion were -
One hole - Remainers 58% : Leavers 53% Two holes - Remainers 39% : Leavers 44% How did SNP voters break? Ah! On a polling site, but you've never looked at a YG Daily Question report?
This is what it looks like -
yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/survey-results/daily/2022/08/11/50da6/3
So you'll understand why I can't answer your question.
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Post by johntel on Aug 11, 2022 18:05:09 GMT
Looking at how it breaks down by party, Labour and Conservative are in close agreement on the matter, while Lib Dems differ somewhat (though of course they might subsequently align their views with the larger party once in coalition) That's a straw man argument. Well someone had to say it first
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Post by eotw on Aug 11, 2022 18:07:40 GMT
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Post by lefthanging on Aug 11, 2022 18:15:09 GMT
You are content with the removal and the trigger warnings in those institutions and settings. I am not. I leave the semantics of it to you. Thanks for agreeing that there is no censorship and no deprivation involved. In fact it is those who seek to ban trigger warnings and prevent universities from teaching as they see fit who are endorsing censorship and depriving students. The university isn't removing anything - they are merely adding an explanatory note to prepare readers for the contents of the book - while of course it is their opponents who are seeking to censor these notes. Those who seek to ban trigger warnings might as well hold that it's wrong for books to include a table of contents or blurb on the back page - or indeed start calling for a ban of the 'violent content warnings' that appear at the start of films and television programmes (which - unlike trigger warnings in books - are impossible to avoid). And seeking to prevent academics from teaching courses as they see fit - and seeking to cancel them because they occasionally swap out some books for alternatives - is a worrying and extreme form of censorship which obviously deprives students from the balanced education they deserve. I understand some newspapers publish misleading stories which imply academics are banning books, but that simply isn't true. The details of claims in the Times article have already been thoroughly debunked in the links that have kindly been provided, and I and others with experience of the university 'sector' here have already explained that it's simply not the case that books are withdrawn from the syllabus simply because they explore a particular topic: it's usually just withdrawing one example of, say, slavery while leaving many more; and more occasionally it will be a one-off withdrawal for that year of the course because a student has been personally affected by the issues involved (e.g. rape victims). Personally I find the idea of forcing rape victims to read books about rape to be a form of deprivation - in fact it's repulsive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 19:13:27 GMT
Re straw holes, on reflection I don’t think that the answers are that mad.
I thought two was obvious, Jane thought just one - which goes from end to end - and I imagine the “don’t knows” simply thought it could be either, so answered accordingly.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 11, 2022 19:30:45 GMT
Looking at how it breaks down by party, Labour and Conservative are in close agreement on the matter, while Lib Dems differ somewhat (though of course they might subsequently align their views with the larger party once in coalition) That's a straw man argument. Well someone had to say it first there’s a hole in the argument John (or is that two holes)
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2022 19:44:46 GMT
Perhaps that was the thinking of our janitor, who saw rabbits entering the foundations of the school through a hole in the wall - and knocked out some other bricks nearby so that they could leave? (True story!) The council Clerk of Works disagreed - in very robust terms. Of course, if one considers the foundations of the school as a tube (or straw) large numbers of holes can be pierced in the side of the tube. Indeed the ability of my granddaughter to deconstruct a straw suggests Riemann had no kids!
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2022 19:52:34 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 11, 2022 19:53:02 GMT
A quick then-and-now snapshot look at inflation. Early 1990'sPack of ciggies :£1.95 Mixed shish kebab : £3.80 Takeaway (Indian/Chinese) : £4.00 Chart CD : £13.99 Basic mobile phone : £50+ DVD Player : £200 NowBasic mobile phone : £2.50 Chart CD : £7.99 Pack of ciggies :£12 Takeaway (Indian/Chinese) : £14 Mixed shish kebab : £15 DVD Player : £24.99 My house - bought as a place to live not an investment - in 1995 for £82,500, current valuation £475,000, i.e. 5.75 times as much. In the same period my wage has roughly doubled. Exactly how my children are ever expected to buy somewhere to live is not clear to me.
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Post by lefthanging on Aug 11, 2022 20:06:22 GMT
My house - bought as a place to live not an investment - in 1995 for £82,500, current valuation £475,000, i.e. 5.75 times as much. In the same period my wage has roughly doubled. Exactly how my children are ever expected to buy somewhere to live is not clear to me. Crikey - as a millennial I think this post may require a trigger warning!
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Post by RAF on Aug 11, 2022 20:35:34 GMT
Not far off the Brexit vote. One holers for leave, two holers for remain. No takers for frijoles?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 20:42:04 GMT
Stick a comma after “here”, to imply the UK, and that makes perfect sense. Fair enough, she was wrong about straws having three holes but not about the above. Please retract!
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Post by barbara on Aug 11, 2022 20:42:21 GMT
The foreign secretary also pledged to “reform the BBC licence fee and I certainly think it is completely wrong that so many women are in jail for non-payment of it.”
This is not the first time Liz Truss has said this.
THIS IS FROM FULL FACT WEBSITE
"You cannot be sent to prison for failing to pay a TV licence fee, only for failing to pay a fine in connection with a conviction for not paying the fee—and the latest available figures for England and Wales show no one was jailed for this in 2020 or 2021. Women are more likely than men to be convicted of not paying the fee, but the number of men jailed since 1995 after failing to pay fines is twice the number of women.
How can these politicians just keep getting away with all this fact free rubbish?
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Post by RAF on Aug 11, 2022 20:42:57 GMT
People defending her on Twitter are saying she meant: "here in the UK, in Derbyshire". However, if so she should have said that. The purpose of language is communication.
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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2022 20:48:12 GMT
They have a very simple job - to raise interest rates as soon as it looks like inflation is going up significantly over 2% in order to stop a spiral developing - and reducing them when it comes back down. Many economists, as well as colin and others on this site were saying they had to do it last year - but they just sat on their hands until it was too late. I seem to remember from 2008 that the big fear was rising interest rates would trigger a collapse of house prices, and the biggest wave of negative equity and therefore market collapse in UK property market history. It seems odd this doesnt get any mention now. While percentages of equity in the hands of owners may now be better than 2008, surely the fundamentals of the consequences of mortgages becoming unaffordable because of doubling or redoubling of mortgage interest rates are just the same. While simultaneously owners are seeing their disposable income shrinking like smoke as energy prices rise. The energy price rise alone could be enough to trigger a house price collapse, never mind taking away more consumer disposable income by increasing interest rates.
The most obvious expectation from all this surely is falling consumer spending on anything they can cut. So a recession. National wealth funneling into the hands of energy companies.
Fuel prices are shooting up because, 1) there is a shortfall of supply. 2) Consumers of said fuel are rich and willing to pay as much as it takes to ensure their personal supply in a bidding war. Until some drop out of that bidding war and so supply equals demand again, prices will rise. 3) The 'private sector' has no interest in stabilising prices, but rather makes greater and greater profits the longer it continues. So any sensible bargaining to cut demand by voluntary rationing aint happening. Has the UK unilaterally taken any measures to cut demand? or are we subsidising consumers so they dont have to cut usage?
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2022 20:50:35 GMT
Stick a comma after “here”, to imply the UK, and that makes perfect sense. Fair enough, she was wrong about straws having three holes but not about the above. Please retract! A comma? With Truss's delivery style, a full stop is the minimum that can be inserted AFTER....... EACH ..... (pause for unforthcoming applause) .... WORD.
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Post by johntel on Aug 11, 2022 20:54:33 GMT
That's a straw man argument. Well someone had to say it first there’s a hole in the argument John (or is that two holes) Now you're taking a holier than thou attitude.
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Post by RAF on Aug 11, 2022 20:58:27 GMT
They have a very simple job - to raise interest rates as soon as it looks like inflation is going up significantly over 2% in order to stop a spiral developing - and reducing them when it comes back down. Many economists, as well as colin and others on this site were saying they had to do it last year - but they just sat on their hands until it was too late. I seem to remember from 2008 that the big fear was rising interest rates would trigger a collapse of house prices, and the biggest wave of negative equity and therefore market collapse in UK property market history. It seems odd this doesnt get any mention now. While percentages of equity in the hands of owners may now be better than 2008, surely the fundamentals of the consequences of mortgages becoming unaffordable because of doubling or redoubling of mortgage interest rates are just the same. While simultaneously owners are seeing their disposable income shrinking like smoke as energy prices rise. The energy price rise alone could be enough to trigger a house price collapse, never mind taking away more consumer disposable income by increasing interest rates.
The most obvious expectation from all this surely is falling consumer spending on anything they can cut. So a recession. National wealth funneling into the hands of energy companies.
Fuel prices are shooting up because, 1) there is a shortfall of supply. 2) Consumers of said fuel are rich and willing to pay as much as it takes to ensure their personal supply in a bidding war. Until some drop out of that bidding war and so supply equals demand again, prices will rise. 3) The 'private sector' has no interest in stabilising prices, but rather makes greater and greater profits the longer it continues. So any sensible bargaining to cut demand by voluntary rationing aint happening. Has the UK unilaterally taken any measures to cut demand? or are we subsidising consumers so they dont have to cut usage? If prices keep rising eventually people won't pay, because they can't pay. Economic theory only takes you so far. Ultimately, politics is about people; and every government wants to stay in power.
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Post by jib on Aug 11, 2022 21:03:13 GMT
" crossbat11" Not far off the Brexit vote. One holers for leave, two holers for remain." How satisfying for you. Simple minds and all that.
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Post by alec on Aug 11, 2022 21:07:37 GMT
But what happens if you twist the straw and join both ends together? How many holes do you get then?
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Aug 11, 2022 21:08:46 GMT
there’s a hole in the argument John (or is that two holes) Now you're taking a holier than thou attitude. Well 42% think it’s holier John (and four percent don’t know)
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Post by johntel on Aug 11, 2022 21:13:14 GMT
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Post by oldnat on Aug 11, 2022 21:14:39 GMT
If prices keep rising eventually people won't pay, because they can't pay. Economic theory only takes you so far. Ultimately, politics is about people; and every government wants to stay in power. There are, of course, many ways for a government to stay in power.
Johnson said in 2019 that it was a "once in a generation election" - and they have openly declared their belief that such statements are to be taken literally.
Also, the severe crises that have to be grappled with means that "now" (whenever it is) "is not the time for a divisive" election.
A simple change in the legislative requirement for when a UK GE must be held (and there have been a number of such changes in the past) would allow "the country" to "come together" to "deal with the challenges that we must all face together".
I could write the speech demanding "British Unity" to reach the "sunlit uplands" - in fact I probably have written the core of it now.
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Post by RAF on Aug 11, 2022 21:14:58 GMT
But what happens if you twist the straw and join both ends together? How many holes do you get then? You get an onion ring.
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