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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 12:52:58 GMT
@mark
What a lovely, thoughtful person your teacher must have been.
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Post by hireton on Aug 10, 2022 12:56:38 GMT
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Post by steve on Aug 10, 2022 13:00:15 GMT
@crofty My old head teacher loved his students so much that upon the head girl finishing six form he divorced his then wife and married her.
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Post by davwel on Aug 10, 2022 13:01:12 GMT
mandolinist:
I had "angry bear" when I looked in after W@One. But it didn`t come back 30 seconds later.
Angry Bear certainly applied to me about W@One - it could have been called Southern England at One. They had the London polio scare second in the running order for what is at most a regional low-rank story. Then the hose-pipe bans. I had hoped for something useful on the Crimea explosions.
But instead we had a reporter telling us once more that Truss wants immediate tax cuts. What any neutral broadcaster would start that is by saying Truss wants immediate service cuts and also salary reductions for many workers.
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 10, 2022 13:10:27 GMT
Going back to leftmercian's post re timing of polling emails I am sure that you are correct in that morning emails would be more likely to be responded to by a certain demographic. One would hope that is factored in - perhaps someone directly involved could answer that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 13:11:50 GMT
That was a very interesting article and full of brilliant analogies. I liked this one, towards the close: ”There are of dozens of announcements like these from the candidates – the theme remains the same. Tory MPs and Tory leaders are saying what they think their voters want to hear. But there is no implementation, no plan for adverse consequences, and no underpinning logic or principle. They are throwing bricks through windows with no notes attached.”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 13:12:39 GMT
@crofty My old head teacher loved his students so much that upon the head girl finishing six form he divorced his then wife and married her. That’s a sweet story as well steve. Was it you who arrested him?
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Post by steve on Aug 10, 2022 13:16:27 GMT
@crofty Oddly enough there was no fuss made at all they remained married for thirty years 1980's were very different
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Post by steve on Aug 10, 2022 13:17:43 GMT
I put it down to the drought.
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 10, 2022 13:21:43 GMT
@crofty Oddly enough there was no fuss made at all they remained married for thirty years 1980's were very different Used to happen - my brother taught in an urban grammar school - his mate, a fellow teacher waited until one of the students left in the summer, divorced his wife and married her, despite my brothers advice (and pleadings). Not a head teacher otherwise very similar story.
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Post by mandolinist on Aug 10, 2022 13:35:19 GMT
I nearly spat my water over the computer, thanks for the laugh.
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Post by laszlo4new on Aug 10, 2022 13:56:11 GMT
You may be right, I was always told Gwyn Thomas but have never researched it, they came from very similar backgrounds. PS The Corn is Green film is a bit corny. The film of Greenwood's Love on the Dole ('41) is much better. Watching it at 10 or 11, I loved the scene where the broke young Manchester working-class couple win a large sum from a back street bookie with a 6d bet & blow it on a holiday to Blackpool? I didn't get that the boy's sister, D Kerr, later becomes the mistress of the bookie, a dastardly villain, to keep her family in food. I love the way you could really enjoy those old movies as a kid, while the sex passed over yr head. I just accepted that a couple kissing was followed by a wave crashing on a beach & then the couple having a smoke. Ah innocence. A really corny film about Welsh miners was Ford's How Green Was My Valley. It won numerous oscars in '41, including best film. The other nominees for best pic that year were Citizen Kane! and the lesser-known but excellent The Little FoxesI agree and as you mentioned the Welsh miners - The proud valley is a very good film, and an interesting attempt for social realism.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 10, 2022 14:05:42 GMT
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"I like him and respect him. I think his record is a good one:-"
I'm aware he has his admirers, among them James Delingpole and Douglas Murray. They seem to admire his latest hits though and rather overlook his earlier work which does, as you say, contain some notable achievements on racial equality. He seems to have become a little distracted of late though and, as I said in my earlier post, somewhat lopsided in his choice of targets.
On Islamophobia, a term he and some colleagues coined in the 1990s ironically, he has some very plausible critics. People who have been on the receiving end of racial discrimination too. Phillips used these words about the Muslim community in the UK"...if you do belong to a group...you identify with a particular set of values, and you stand for it. And frankly you are judged by that". Baroness Warsi responded "Phillips cannot treat Muslims as a homogenised group when it suits him, then later deny they are racialised." She's right. A former head of the CRE treating a religious, and ethnic group by insinuation, as an homegenised group. Crikey, has Phillips been on some journey, or what!
Simon Woolley, founder of Operation Black Vote, said that the documentary that Phillips made, "What British Muslims Really Think", and that dragged him into controversy, "pandered to prejudice, treated Muslims as a monolithic group and gave "no historical or social/political context". Again, extraordinary criticisms for a former head of the CRE to attract. Pandering to prejudice. Crikey.
I see Phillips these days rather like fake leftists like Dan Hodges and Claire Fox. Useful idiots for the Right to propagandise.
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Post by alurqa on Aug 10, 2022 14:09:38 GMT
The idea of Trump running again may cause some right wing salivation, both in the US and beyond, but I'd rate the chances of him reappearing in the White House, bungled FBI raids and prosecutions notwithstanding, as somewhere between zero and non-existent. Yes, I seem to remember reading that before: :-) projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/Who will win the presidency? Chance of winning Hillary Clinton 71.4% Donald Trump 28.6%
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Post by hireton on Aug 10, 2022 14:36:39 GMT
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Post by hireton on Aug 10, 2022 14:38:09 GMT
eorWhy do you think the FBI raid was "bungled" or do you think that Trump should be above any law enforcement?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 14:47:22 GMT
This brief excerpt from Braverman’s most recently mad speech is particularly risible: it’s about getting us out of EU human rights laws for various, spurious reasons.
“ She added: “I think it’s a national priority. It’s something that I was vocal about in my short-lived bid to be the leader of this party. We do have to do whatever it takes, and ultimately we do need to be ready to take radical action, because I think the British people expect that.”
The idea that “the British people” - by which she presumably means all of us rather than a small group of right wing nutters (she doesn’t say) - would have even a remote interest in this, during a war in Europe, a heat wave, inflation, non existent government and fuel poverty is utterly risible.
We really need an end to this as soon as possible. We are becoming sicker every day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 14:48:14 GMT
Is it electric conversion theory?
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Post by hireton on Aug 10, 2022 14:52:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 15:10:18 GMT
colin I see Phillips these days rather like fake leftists like Dan Hodges and Claire Fox. Useful idiots for the Right to propagandise. I see he makes up your triumvirate of apostates. I'm guessing Warsi became an un-idiot for you ? Like so many, she seems unable to understand the difference between intolerance of a religion, and intolerance of an ethnicity. Worth recording his own reaction to her accusation -from the G "“They say I am accusing Muslims of being different. Well, actually, that’s true. The point is Muslims are different. And in many ways I think that’s admirable.” Muslims were a multiracial group “united by a faith and a belief” and as such could not be treated as a race, he told Today. He rejected the contention that his comments amounted to sweeping generalisations about a disparate population of approximately 3 million Britons. It was correct for Muslims to be judged collectively, he argued. “You keep saying that I make these generalisations,” he said. “But the truth is, if you do belong to a group, whether it is a church, or a football club, you identify with a particular set of values, and you stand for it. And frankly you are judged by that.” The Labour backbencher Khalid Mahmood said the allegations against Phillips were “so outlandish as to bring disrepute on all involved in making them”." Guardian.
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 10, 2022 15:14:45 GMT
Some common sense from Larry Elliot in the Guardian: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/britain-crises-one-thing-in-common-failure-to-invest-cost-of-living-drought-covid"Or take water. Since 1990 the population of the UK has risen by about 10 million to 67 million but not a single new reservoir has been built in the past three decades. More than 200,000 miles of water pipes date back to Victorian times yet the water companies are replacing them at a rate of 0.05% a year [ that's 2000 years to replace them all]. That compares with a European average of 0.5%." Just one example from the article, including the cost of living, energy, housing, and the NHS. It is notable that this failure to invest has been characteristic of governments both of the Right and of the Left. Personally, I put it down to the dead hand of the Treasury which has always opposed capital investment by the State.
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Post by wb61 on Aug 10, 2022 15:22:18 GMT
Some common sense from Larry Elliot in the Guardian: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/britain-crises-one-thing-in-common-failure-to-invest-cost-of-living-drought-covid"Or take water. Since 1990 the population of the UK has risen by about 10 million to 67 million but not a single new reservoir has been built in the past three decades. More than 200,000 miles of water pipes date back to Victorian times yet the water companies are replacing them at a rate of 0.05% a year [ that's 2000 years to replace them all]. That compares with a European average of 0.5%." Just one example from the article, including the cost of living, energy, housing, and the NHS. It is notable that this failure to invest has been characteristic of governments both of the Right and of the Left. Personally, I put it down to the dead hand of the Treasury which has always opposed capital investment by the State. It is curious that the word mortgage translates as dead hand, but that the mortgage has been a basis for capital investment for a thousand years. With the penchant, in some quarters, for trying to equate the management of the national economy to the management of a household, it is curious that that doesn't extend to capital investment from borrowing to increase national wealth, in the way that a household would enter into a mortgage to purchase property.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 10, 2022 15:33:45 GMT
The idea of Trump running again may cause some right wing salivation, both in the US and beyond, but I'd rate the chances of him reappearing in the White House, bungled FBI raids and prosecutions notwithstanding, as somewhere between zero and non-existent. Yes, I seem to remember reading that before: :-) projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/Who will win the presidency? Chance of winning Hillary Clinton 71.4% Donald Trump 28.6%Well, in fairness to those odds, Clinton did win in 2016! By about three million votes too. The idiosyncratic electoral college converted that into a Trump victory. Besides, in terms of the likelihood of a Trump return, he's got a bit more baggage than he had in 2016. Four years in the White House illustrating the sort if President he was and would be again, a pretty resounding defeat in both the electoral college and popular vote thereafter and mounting criminal investigations now. He's got his rabid and noisy fans, but a victory in 2024? No chance.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 10, 2022 15:50:20 GMT
It was correct for Muslims to be judged collectively, he argued. “You keep saying that I make these generalisations,” he said. “But the truth is, if you do belong to a group, whether it is a church, or a football club, you identify with a particular set of values, and you stand for it. And frankly you are judged by that.” If you said exactly that about Jews you would certainly be regarded as anti-Semitic. Muslims (like Jews) are extremely diverse both religiously and politically and you cannot hold whole groups collectively responsible for the actions of sub-groups without discrimination.
"It is racist to essentialize (treat a character trait as inherent) or to make sweeping negative generalizations about a given population." jerusalemdeclaration.org/Incidentally, I have linked to the Jerusalem Declaration as this is preferable to the IHRA one in recognising that criticism of Israeli policy is not inherently anti-Semitic.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 10, 2022 15:57:26 GMT
Besides, in terms of the likelihood of a Trump return, he's got a bit more baggage than he had in 2016. Four years in the White House illustrating the sort if President he was and would be again, a pretty resounding defeat in both the electoral college and popular vote thereafter and mounting criminal investigations now. He's got his rabid and noisy fans, but a victory in 2024? No chance. Looking on oddschecker Trump is the current favorite for 2024, followed by Ron DeSantis and Joe Biden in third. So clearly lots of American punters don't see it as that far fetched
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 16:16:08 GMT
“ Truss says she will do everything she can to help families “who work hard and do the right thing.” “
And bugger the unemployed, those off because of illness and anyone who works hard, does the “right thing” (supports Arsenal perhaps? I dunno.) but doesn’t earn enough to survive, never mind enough to help support gas companies excess profits.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 16:17:43 GMT
And why do interviewers never ask for clarification of these crass statements? Why allow them to be repeated ad nauseum as though they actually mean something?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 16:18:05 GMT
It was correct for Muslims to be judged collectively, he argued. “You keep saying that I make these generalisations,” he said. “But the truth is, if you do belong to a group, whether it is a church, or a football club, you identify with a particular set of values, and you stand for it. And frankly you are judged by that.” If you said exactly that about Jews you would certainly be regarded as anti-Semitic. Muslims (like Jews) are extremely diverse both religiously and politically and you cannot hold whole groups collectively responsible for the actions of sub-groups without discrimination.
"It is racist to essentialize (treat a character trait as inherent) or to make sweeping negative generalizations about a given population." jerusalemdeclaration.org/Incidentally, I have linked to the Jerusalem Declaration as this is preferable to the IHRA one in recognising that criticism of Israeli policy is not inherently anti-Semitic.
Many instinctively see Jewishness as a religion, rather than an ethnicity, and therefore antisemitism as religious intolerance rather than racism, despite, as I’ve pointed out many times, my great-uncle being an atheist not getting him any free passes out of the Warsaw ghetto.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 10, 2022 16:24:37 GMT
Crossbat writing Trump off prompted me to have a look at fivethirtyeight.com for the first time in a while and I came across this snippet that might give some hope to those wanting to see the USA show signs of sanity. There was a 'special election' - what we would call a by-election - for Minnesota's 1st District in the House of Representatives. The Republicans retained the seat but by only 4 percentage points in a strongly Republican area. Here is the 538 report:
"Vote-counting has proceeded slowly in the special election for Minnesota’s 1st District, but Republican Brad Finstad ultimately prevailed over Democrat Jeff Ettinger 51 percent to 47 percent. The race was another test of the fallout from the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, and even though Finstad won, Democrats overperformed in this district. Ettinger ran well ahead of the district’s R+15 partisan lean."
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