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Post by jib on Aug 6, 2022 8:03:51 GMT
Having run out of UK based negative Brexit related news, you are now trying to pin the Portuguese bureaucracy on Brexit. Presumably UK nationals choosing to live in Portugal always needed to register with the authorities as being residents, and register for such cards. It was just they abused the system and pretended they were still UK residents on holiday, and probably abused the EHIC system to access free healthcare in Portugal. So they should be sent back to buy or rent houses here? I didn't say that. It's a bureaucratic hold up by the Portuguese authorities.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 6, 2022 8:15:29 GMT
I'm just putting the finishing touches to my first draft of, should he win, Sunak's debut Tory Party Conference speech. I've been inspired, as many party members have too, by his spine tingling peroration the other day at that now famous Home Counties garden fete. This is my suggested stirring finale as the hall rises to its feet and the applause swells:-
"So, Tunbridge Wells, South West Hertfordshire and Hemel Hempstead, give me your poor, your tired your huddled masses that yearn to breathe free........."
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 6, 2022 8:50:16 GMT
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Haven't you got the possibility of our next PM being a Saints fan? Sunak has recently said that his dream job, if he wasn't a politician, was running Southampton FC. Is he a genuine fan, do you know?
You're right that Starmer is a genuine Gooner, as is Corbyn, but some of the other club allegiances declared by high profile politicians are a little more doubtful. There was a tradition at Eton apparently for pupils to adopt allegedly unfashionable Premier League clubs. This was how Prince William and David Cameron came to be Villa supporters, allegedly. Prince William does seem to still be genuinely keen whereas Cameron always appeared a bit fake about it all. He did however have family connections to Villa. Sir William Dugdale, an uncle I think, used to be President of the club. He also ran the Severn Trent Water Company too! Cameron, of course, famously confused Villa with West Ham in a speech he made many years ago. He was mercilessly lampooned for it and more or less withdrew any pretensions to follow football thereafter.
There have been some genuine club allegiances, though. Gordon Brown and Raith Rovers, Ken Clarke and Notts County and John Major and Chelsea. Alistair Campbell and Burnley too. To name but a few.
Don't think Alistair's boss, Sir Tony, was ever a Toon Army man though!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 9:03:52 GMT
pjw1961 “ You are a strange fellow sometimes.” As someone with aspirations to be a great writer (like wot I am) I would take issue with your use of the word “sometimes”. You will be aware of the importance of noting the terminology that people use, which can almost always be indicative of underlying assumptions and attitudes. Our Scottish correspondent should not be misjudged by the use of clearly redundant language such as “sometimes” - a mere caveat - which attempts to deflect from the actuality of his condition. Yours pompously, Crofty
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 9:11:16 GMT
I'm just putting the finishing touches to my first draft of, should he win, Sunak's debut Tory Party Conference speech. I've been inspired, as many party members have too, by his spine tingling peroration the other day at that now famous Home Counties garden fete. This is my suggested stirring finale as the hall rises to its feet and the applause swells:- "So, Tunbridge Wells, South West Hertfordshire and Hemel Hempstead, give me your poor, your tired your huddled masses that yearn to breathe free........." My one (Liz) is - on my advice - doing a brief excerpt from Shakespeare: ”I come to bury Boris - not to praise him.” (Speech ends.)
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 6, 2022 9:15:38 GMT
Mine would be for Liz, courtesy of my favourite, Robert Louis Stevenson
Many's the long night I've dreamed of cheese — toasted, mostly - and so I am changing the wallpaper in Downing Street to gorgonzola, so I can eat more, and spy on Rishi through the holes...
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 6, 2022 9:17:08 GMT
Testing my theory espoused to lefthanging that having 'left' in a username makes you immune to attack on here. 🤣 Are the left behinds all Labour voters, then? I thought they sent the Red Wall tumbling in 2019. Bloody right behinds rather!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 9:43:55 GMT
Mine would be for Liz, courtesy of my favourite, Robert Louis Stevenson Many's the long night I've dreamed of cheese — toasted, mostly - and so I am changing the wallpaper in Downing Street to gorgonzola, so I can eat more, and spy on Rishi through the holes... Richy is not going to be next door. Chancellor Dorries, take a bow…
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 6, 2022 9:53:40 GMT
pjw1961 “ You are a strange fellow sometimes.” As someone with aspirations to be a great writer (like wot I am) I would take issue with your use of the word “sometimes”. You will be aware of the importance of noting the terminology that people use, which can almost always be indicative of underlying assumptions and attitudes. Our Scottish correspondent should not be misjudged by the use of clearly redundant language such as “sometimes” - a mere caveat - which attempts to deflect from the actuality of his condition. Yours pompously, Crofty My mistake was to assume that when I said French people did something that might be taken as read that they were living in France. Baron de Coubertin could just as easily have been resident in darkest Peru when founding the modern Olympics. Precision is important.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 6, 2022 9:56:44 GMT
Mine would be for Liz, courtesy of my favourite, Robert Louis Stevenson Many's the long night I've dreamed of cheese — toasted, mostly - and so I am changing the wallpaper in Downing Street to gorgonzola, so I can eat more, and spy on Rishi through the holes... Richy is not going to be next door. Chancellor Dorries, take a bow… Kwarteng and Coffey have been suggested. I'm not sure either is that much of an improvement on Mad Nad or our current invisible Chancellor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 10:06:18 GMT
pjw1961 “ You are a strange fellow sometimes.” As someone with aspirations to be a great writer (like wot I am) I would take issue with your use of the word “sometimes”. You will be aware of the importance of noting the terminology that people use, which can almost always be indicative of underlying assumptions and attitudes. Our Scottish correspondent should not be misjudged by the use of clearly redundant language such as “sometimes” - a mere caveat - which attempts to deflect from the actuality of his condition. Yours pompously, Crofty My mistake was to assume that when I said French people did something that might be taken as read that they were living in France. Baron de Coubertin could just as easily have been resident in darkest Peru when founding the modern Olympics. Precision is important. I am delighted that you now recognise the error of your ways PJ. You should always use my own mantra when communicating with words: ”Try to rite betterer.”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 10:08:54 GMT
Richy is not going to be next door. Chancellor Dorries, take a bow… Kwarteng and Coffey have been suggested. I'm not sure either is that much of an improvement on Mad Nad or our current invisible Chancellor. “Mad Nad and the Invisible Chancellor” sounds like the title of a horror film. Dunno what the plot would be though - probably nicking the country’s money, boozing and so on.
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Post by steve on Aug 6, 2022 10:28:01 GMT
crossbat11 We have our fair share of poverty in Hemel, it's just that some of the shit holes people live in here are absurdly expensive both to rent and buy. Money sent here might unfortunately end up in the hands of those who need it. Now if you had said Harpenden average house price £850,000 you'd be talking about the genuinely deserving
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 6, 2022 10:36:11 GMT
Kwarteng and Coffey have been suggested. I'm not sure either is that much of an improvement on Mad Nad or our current invisible Chancellor. “Mad Nad and the Invisible Chancellor” sounds like the title of a horror film. Dunno what the plot would be though - probably nicking the country’s money, boozing and so on. A brave band of outnumbered but plucky Brexiters are holed up in the Houses of Parliament surrounding by a baying mob of woke academics, Guardian journalists, activist lawyers, 'enemy of the people' judges, attention seeking leaders of Scotland and Wales and people who for some reason don't want to die in a climate disaster. Their heroic leader 'Boris' has tragically tripped over and fallen on his own sword and all looks lost - but then Liz 'Super-Maggie' Truss arrives mounted on a tank trailing an enormous Union Flag and the pinko horde is vanquished! The scary thing is that it could actually happen.
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Post by alurqa on Aug 6, 2022 10:52:35 GMT
Mine would be for Liz, courtesy of my favourite, Robert Louis Stevenson Many's the long night I've dreamed of cheese — toasted, mostly - and so I am changing the wallpaper in Downing Street to gorgonzola, so I can eat more, and spy on Rishi through the holes... Richy is not going to be next door. Chancellor Dorries, take a bow… Isn't she supposed to be going to the other place, so our blond, unkempt current PM (remember him, the one for whom so many who don't do politics think is cool) can grab her safe seat, and plot his revenge?
I'm sure I read that on here, but can't find the link now. :-(
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Post by barbara on Aug 6, 2022 11:06:27 GMT
Richy is not going to be next door. Chancellor Dorries, take a bow… Isn't she supposed to be going to the other place, so our blond, unkempt current PM (remember him, the one for whom so many who don't do politics think is cool) can grab her safe seat, and plot his revenge?
I'm sure I read that on here, but can't find the link now. :-(
I wrote it as I read it somewhere. Probably the Guardian but I'm not sure. I think they were reporting rumours. But often rumours are fact bases. Wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 11:11:07 GMT
“Lady” Dorries just sounds weird…
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 11:24:02 GMT
“Mad Nad and the Invisible Chancellor” sounds like the title of a horror film. Dunno what the plot would be though - probably nicking the country’s money, boozing and so on. A brave band of outnumbered but plucky Brexiters are holed up in the Houses of Parliament surrounding by a baying mob of woke academics, Guardian journalists, activist lawyers, 'enemy of the people' judges, attention seeking leaders of Scotland and Wales and people who for some reason don't want to die in a climate disaster. Their heroic leader 'Boris' has tragically tripped over and fallen on his own sword and all looks lost - but then Liz 'Super-Maggie' Truss arrives mounted on a tank trailing an enormous Union Flag and the pinko horde is vanquished! The scary thing is that it could actually happen. Yeah, we’re getting closer all the time. (To paraphrase an old Beatles song.) Its “lefty” lawyers by the way. Never miss an opportunity to use alliteration: “Bring Back Boris” is a good example. As an aside, I wonder how much thought actual writers give to every single phrase they write. I was just thinking of: ”I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him” (because it was parodied earlier) and, from an actor’s point of view, thought how much more powerful the two-syllable words were by being surrounded by single syllables. I’ve only written a dozen or so songs in my life that I think are really good* - hardly any compared to Paul Simon, Bob Dylan etc - but one thing I share with them is that they all say that when one is younger the songs sort of write themselves but, later in life, they involve a lot of thinking, editing etc etc. *Good, for me, I mean. Nothing that would remotely compare with “The sound of Silence”, “Eleanor Rigby” and so on.
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Post by steve on Aug 6, 2022 11:39:34 GMT
@crofty Oh I don't know, Baroness Dorries of Dementshire has a ring to it
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Post by steve on Aug 6, 2022 11:51:24 GMT
alurqa Mid Beds only has a 37% lead for the Tories not sure if that's safe enough if The Lyin’ King is parachuted in.
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Post by alurqa on Aug 6, 2022 12:00:24 GMT
but one thing I share with them is that they all say that when one is younger the songs sort of write themselves but, later in life, they involve a lot of thinking, editing etc etc. Alzheimer's probably.
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Post by thylacine on Aug 6, 2022 12:08:30 GMT
but one thing I share with them is that they all say that when one is younger the songs sort of write themselves but, later in life, they involve a lot of thinking, editing etc etc. Alzheimer's probably. Try coconut oil and pickled walnuts.
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Post by Mark on Aug 6, 2022 12:10:05 GMT
Re-illegal immigration and housing.
If there is any impact at all on house prices or rents, which I doubt would be any more than minimal at the very most, it would surely be a result of the number of *properties* in play, not the number of illegal immigrants.
Therefore, where there are sleeping 4 to a floor, in a property, there is only one property in play.
Also, if Joe Bloggs down the road deided to quietly let one such person sleep on their sofa, it would have zero effect as the person on the sofa is not, nor is looking to, buy or rent elsewhere.
There is also a fair amount of people that are working and sleeping, for example, trafficked women working in massage parlours who are sleeping in the same room they work in, which would never otherwise be available to rent or buy. Again, this group would have zero effect on the housing or rental market.
So, even if you take the view that each property involved has a direct one for one effect, the number of properties is likely one tenth, maybe less, of the number of illegal immigrants.
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Post by thylacine on Aug 6, 2022 12:11:58 GMT
alurqa Mid Beds only has a 37% lead for the Tories not sure if that's safe enough if The Lyin’ King is parachuted in. They elected Mad Nadz, they'd hardly balk at Bozo Boris.
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Post by mercian on Aug 6, 2022 12:31:22 GMT
“Lady” Dorries just sounds weird… When alurqa said 'the other place' I thought he meant Hell! 🤣 It wasn't until I read your comment that the penny dropped!
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Post by alurqa on Aug 6, 2022 13:02:48 GMT
“Lady” Dorries just sounds weird… When alurqa said 'the other place' I thought he meant Hell! 🤣 It wasn't until I read your comment that the penny dropped!
Edit just to add: best of all, my Honourable Friend!!!
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Post by Danny on Aug 6, 2022 13:23:34 GMT
Not much about ukraine lately, so i looked elsewhere for some news. I guess its dropped out of headlines because the politicians are on holiday and not using it as a good news story they are helping Ukraine.
There are some headlines about 'Russians massing in the south'. But what this seems to amount to is their withdrawing troops from Donbas and moving them to defend territory in the south.
Whatever the Russians think, clearly they are worried they didnt have enough troops in the south.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 6, 2022 13:32:55 GMT
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Post by JohnC on Aug 6, 2022 13:40:25 GMT
Perhaps a little more than "the British Empire was responsible for the spread of many sports (cricket and rugby most obviously)" as they were simply part of your list of some of the "good stuff" that the UK had done. There can be few states/polities whose supporters can't resist listing their achievements!
Most (if not all) states/polities have done good and bad things, had good and bad ideas, had citizens who benefitted humanity and those who did the opposite. In the sports context, you do now give credit to "the French" for their work, but not "France". As a fellow historian, you will be aware of the importance of noting the terminology that people use, which can be indicative of underlying assumptions and attitudes.
I quite agree with you about the philosophy of sport that was created within the English Public Schools. Just because it was greatly admired by the Nazis who fostered links between their elite gymnasia and English Pubic Schools doesn't mean that everything about it was bad! You are a strange fellow sometimes. All this started with me giving a long list of hideous atrocities committed by the British Empire that I suggested Liz Truss and her ilk wish us all to ignore. This riled JohnC who essentially challenged me to say something nice about the impact of the Empire which he assumed as a 'woke' person I would not do, so I gave a few points which are commonly cited as positive influences. So, just for your sake, I will make it clear that I regard the British Empire as a massive criminal conspiracy that worked very nicely for the British upper and middle classes and had some positive elements for the working class as well but was pretty disastrous for the societies and civilisations elsewhere it was inflicted upon. I trust that is sufficient to clear me of being a "supporter" of the Empire. As to your tendency to nitpick over individual words in posts whose meanings are transparently obvious to everyone else, I would suggest taking up a hobby of some sort as you clearly have to much time on your hands. Is it possible to just ask a question for information on here without being accused of being 'riled'?
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