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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 5, 2023 21:43:11 GMT
Chelsea manager merry-go-round: sack Lampard, bring in Tuchel; sack Tuchel, bring in Potter; sack Potter bring in Lampard. Repeat until you are thoroughly dizzy. At least Roman had a plan even if no-one other than Chelsea supporters liked Mourinho; Todd Boehly seems to think that the lower they can finish in the Premier League, the better the footballers he can draft.
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Post by mercian on Apr 6, 2023 0:10:55 GMT
Villa now in a potential European spot. As long as Chelsea or Crystal Palace don't win the FA Cup, even perhaps if Liverpool win it but come no higher than eighth. All Villains will be praying for a Man City win which will guarantee European football for the seventh-placed team in the Premier League. I must admit I find the rules on European qualification very complicated and confusing, but I think 7th place usually gets a place in some sort of competition. It's about 10 years since Vila were last in Europe, under Martin O'Neill and he famously sent a weak squad to Russia one year because he wanted to concentrate on the Premier League (Villa finished 6th). |
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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 6, 2023 11:17:48 GMT
I must admit I find the rules on European qualification very complicated and confusing, but I think 7th place usually gets a place in some sort of competition. It's about 10 years since Vila were last in Europe, under Martin O'Neill and he famously sent a weak squad to Russia one year because he wanted to concentrate on the Premier League (Villa finished 6th). Well the rules on qualification do keep changing, but broadly the first four in the table get into next season's Champions League. There was a time some years ago when Spurs would have qualified in fourth but Chelsea had won the Champions League that season and took their place. Nowadays, the winner of the Champions League has an extra entry to the following year's Champions League if they do not qualify by right from their League position. The winner of the Europa League also qualifies for the Champions League the following season, so it is theoretically possible for one country to have six teams in the next season's Champions League. There is a guaranteed European place for the fifth-placed team in the Premier League and the winners of the FA Cup and Carabao Cup get Europa League places. If they are already qualified by virtue of their league position, those places go to the sixth and seventh teams. As Man City have won the Carabao Cup, we know that the team finishing 6th will get European football next season, but if one of the other three teams wins the FA Cup the team in seventh will lose out (obviously if Liverpool do overtake Villa that will push them down to eighth, so out of the European places either way). It's going to be difficult for Villa to overtake Brighton (2 points ahead, 2 games in hand and better goal difference) and even Spurs (6 points ahead and better goal difference), so to all intents and purposes Villa are relying on Man City to do the Cup double and for Liverpool (1 point behind, 1 game in hand and a better goal difference) not to overtake Villa. |
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Post by johntel on Apr 10, 2023 13:37:53 GMT
Biggest game of the season coming up shortly - Wrexham vs Notts County. I really hope the oldest club makes it back into the League this year.
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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 10, 2023 14:15:08 GMT
Biggest game of the season coming up shortly - Wrexham vs Notts County. I really hope the oldest club makes it back into the League this year. Either by winning the National League title or through the play-offs; these two teams have been the stand-out performers this season, and it would be good for Wrexham to bring a bit of Hollywood to Division 2. |
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Post by mercian on Apr 10, 2023 19:57:06 GMT
I must admit I find the rules on European qualification very complicated and confusing, but I think 7th place usually gets a place in some sort of competition. It's about 10 years since Vila were last in Europe, under Martin O'Neill and he famously sent a weak squad to Russia one year because he wanted to concentrate on the Premier League (Villa finished 6th). Well the rules on qualification do keep changing, but broadly the first four in the table get into next season's Champions League. There was a time some years ago when Spurs would have qualified in fourth but Chelsea had won the Champions League that season and took their place. Nowadays, the winner of the Champions League has an extra entry to the following year's Champions League if they do not qualify by right from their League position. The winner of the Europa League also qualifies for the Champions League the following season, so it is theoretically possible for one country to have six teams in the next season's Champions League. There is a guaranteed European place for the fifth-placed team in the Premier League and the winners of the FA Cup and Carabao Cup get Europa League places. If they are already qualified by virtue of their league position, those places go to the sixth and seventh teams. As Man City have won the Carabao Cup, we know that the team finishing 6th will get European football next season, but if one of the other three teams wins the FA Cup the team in seventh will lose out (obviously if Liverpool do overtake Villa that will push them down to eighth, so out of the European places either way). It's going to be difficult for Villa to overtake Brighton (2 points ahead, 2 games in hand and better goal difference) and even Spurs (6 points ahead and better goal difference), so to all intents and purposes Villa are relying on Man City to do the Cup double and for Liverpool (1 point behind, 1 game in hand and a better goal difference) not to overtake Villa. You've got the gist, but it's more complicated still if an English club wins a European competition, which is still possible, and it's not possible for England at least to have 6 teams in the Champions league. www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explainedI've read the above link above, and am still very confused. I'll be able to work it out after all the results are in, but there are just too many permutations for me at the moment. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 16, 2023 14:59:09 GMT
Arsenal getting all Spursy as they let slip a two-goal lead and Saka misses a penalty. That game against Man City now takes on monstrous proportions.
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Post by neilj on Apr 17, 2023 6:13:41 GMT
Another good win for Wolves yesterday, 7 points clear of the relegation zone now
The new manager has done well, doing the maths based on results since he's been in charge we would be Fifth in the league
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Post by mercian on Apr 17, 2023 14:13:10 GMT
neiljYes, Wolves aren't quite safe but it's looking good. It can be difficult to work out when they have played different numbers of games, but if you compare points to games played: Wolves +3 Bournemouth +2 West Ham +1 Leeds -1 Everton -4 Forest -4 Leicester -6 Southampton -8 So Forest and Everton would both have to make up 7 points on Wolves in 7 games (as well as all the others in between making up points too). It seems a tall order even if Wolves lost all remaining matches. I'd like all the Midlands teams to be in the Premier League (except Blues obviously 😁).
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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 18, 2023 10:10:18 GMT
neilj Yes, Wolves aren't quite safe but it's looking good. It can be difficult to work out when they have played different numbers of games, but if you compare points to games played: Wolves +3 Bournemouth +2 West Ham +1 Leeds -2 (updated for last night's game)Everton -4 Forest -4 Leicester -6 Southampton -8 So Forest and Everton would both have to make up 7 points on Wolves in 7 games (as well as all the others in between making up points too). It seems a tall order even if Wolves lost all remaining matches. I'd like all the Midlands teams to be in the Premier League (except Blues obviously 😁). I think I will have to eat my words about Bournemouth going down as they have been playing well for the last few games. Also that Hammers point against Arsenal, won't have have been one that Moyes was relying on. Leeds, on the other hand, my third pick to go down, still look like they are in free-fall and their goal difference is rapidly becoming more negative (now only two goals better off than Everton and six goals worse off than Leicester). If relegation comes down to goal difference, as it well could, then we could be looking at Leeds going down along with one of Everton, Forest and Leicester. Looking at this weekend's fixtures: Leeds are away at Fulham, Everton away at Crystal Palace, Nottingham Forest away at Liverpool, Leicester at home to Wolves and Bournemouth at home to West Ham. Out of those teams Leicester are the only one I think are likely to come away with three points, while Bournemouth and West Ham would probably take a draw. The big match is on next Tuesday when Leeds are at home to Leicester. Even a draw and a win for Leicester, with two losses for Leeds would put Leicester above Leeds on goal difference. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 18, 2023 10:13:25 GMT
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Post by neilj on Apr 18, 2023 11:46:35 GMT
leftieliberalReally can't see Leicester picking up 3 points the way Wolves are playing, they're improving every game I would expect Wolves to win
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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 21, 2023 21:59:55 GMT
Despite Arsenal going all Spursy again and dropping another couple of points, today was St Totteringham's Day in North London. Normal service has been resumed.
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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 22, 2023 9:13:14 GMT
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Post by davem on Apr 23, 2023 15:30:20 GMT
Well could it be back to back play off promotions for Sunderland? Has that ever happened before?
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Post by leftieliberal on Apr 24, 2023 18:30:48 GMT
Spurs sack Stellini: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65365163Unfortunately the only change that will be good for Spurs in the long run is a change of owner. Watching the Newcastle-Spurs game on MOTD2 it was evident that the heart of the Tottenham players wasn't in it. I hope that Kane gets a transfer to a club that appreciates him this summer. it would not surprise me if Spurs finish below Brighton, Liverpool and Villa (and so outside the European places) this season. |
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Post by davem on Apr 24, 2023 22:21:56 GMT
Well could it be back to back play off promotions for Sunderland? Has that ever happened before? I checked and only Notts County have done it to get to the top flight. Never been done to get the the Premier League. LNG way to go but it is still possible. Blackburn Burnley tomorrow will be key as will Sheffield United WBA on Wednesday. Blackburn play Millwall on the last day. The race for the last two places in the play offs is very interesting this year. |
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Post by johntel on May 7, 2023 14:37:07 GMT
Notts County came back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against Boreham Wood and reach the National League playoff final at Wembley next Saturday  |
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Post by davem on May 8, 2023 11:39:13 GMT
Championship last day could end like this in the race for the last two play off places.
Sunderland win 1-0
Boro win 1-0
Blackburn win 2-0
WBA win 4-0
5th Sunderland 69 points GD +11 goals scored 66
6 WBA 69 points GD +11 goals scored 61
7thCoventry 69 points GD +11 scored 57
8th Blackburn 69 points GD -1
9th Millwall 68 points GD +6
in true Sunderland style the winner comes in the 96th min.
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Post by leftieliberal on May 8, 2023 21:33:27 GMT
Does anything get crazier than the Premier League tonight. 21 goals in just 3 games. Have all the defences taken the Bank Holiday off?
Fulham 5 Leicester 3
Brighton 1 Everton 5 !
Nottingham Forest 4 Southampton 3.
Leicester now back in the drop zone along with Leeds as a result of Everton and Forest winning.
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Post by mercian on May 12, 2023 21:36:48 GMT
Notts County came back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against Boreham Wood and reach the National League playoff final at Wembley next Saturday It'd be good to see the oldest club back in the league. ------------------ Quiz question for everyone: Which club that has played in the Premier League is now in League 2? Easy to check but more fun to try to guess! |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 23:33:44 GMT
Notts County came back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against Boreham Wood and reach the National League playoff final at Wembley next Saturday It'd be good to see the oldest club back in the league. ------------------ Quiz question for everyone: Which club that has played in the Premier League is now in League 2? Easy to check but more fun to try to guess! Swindon Town, although you were probably thinking of Bradford City? Back at you - which two teams played in front of the biggest postwar FA Cup crowd outside of Wembley? |
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Post by leftieliberal on May 13, 2023 17:29:41 GMT
Notts County came back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against Boreham Wood and reach the National League playoff final at Wembley next Saturday Well you've got your wish, 4-3 on penalties after ending 1-1 at full-time and 2-2 after extra time. So the oldest and third-oldest clubs are both back in the EFL. |
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Post by johntel on May 13, 2023 17:44:22 GMT
Notts County came back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against Boreham Wood and reach the National League playoff final at Wembley next Saturday Well you've got your wish, 4-3 on penalties after ending 1-1 at full-time and 2-2 after extra time. So the oldest and third-oldest clubs are both back in the EFL. Yes, they really did it the hard way though - again! It'll be great to see them continuing the rivalry with Wrexham in League 2 next year. Forest got a point at Chelsea too, so a good day all round. You need nerves of steel to support Nottingham teams these days. |
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Post by mercian on May 14, 2023 22:41:13 GMT
It'd be good to see the oldest club back in the league. ------------------ Quiz question for everyone: Which club that has played in the Premier League is now in League 2? Easy to check but more fun to try to guess! Swindon Town, although you were probably thinking of Bradford City? Back at you - which two teams played in front of the biggest postwar FA Cup crowd outside of Wembley? Oldham, though your answers may be right too - I haven't checked. Your question - (from memory) I'm pretty sure it was at The Valley, so Charlton v someone. Derby? Around 1946/7. Massive crowds after the war. |
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Post by mercian on May 14, 2023 22:42:45 GMT
Notts County came back from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against Boreham Wood and reach the National League playoff final at Wembley next Saturday Well you've got your wish, 4-3 on penalties after ending 1-1 at full-time and 2-2 after extra time. So the oldest and third-oldest clubs are both back in the EFL. I've got to ask - who's the second oldest? One of the Sheffields? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 9:48:24 GMT
Swindon Town, although you were probably thinking of Bradford City? Back at you - which two teams played in front of the biggest postwar FA Cup crowd outside of Wembley? Oldham, though your answers may be right too - I haven't checked. Your question - (from memory) I'm pretty sure it was at The Valley, so Charlton v someone. Derby? Around 1946/7. Massive crowds after the war. Oldham have actually fallen a little further. They are now in the National League. Football crowds were indeed massive, both before and after the war, and I think The Valley was also the largest capacity club ground for a number of years. I'm afraid both your answers to my question are incorrect, though. |
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Post by leftieliberal on May 15, 2023 13:40:06 GMT
Well you've got your wish, 4-3 on penalties after ending 1-1 at full-time and 2-2 after extra time. So the oldest and third-oldest clubs are both back in the EFL. I've got to ask - who's the second oldest? One of the Sheffields? There is some some dispute about the earliest-founded teams: Notts Country is certainly 1862 and Wrexham 1864. Stoke City claim 1863 (which would make them the second-oldest professional club, but this is contested and it may be as late as 1868). Nottingham Forest were founded in 1865, and Sheffield Wednesday in 1867. There are older football clubs, like Sheffield FC (1857), whose foundation precedes the Football Association (and the Laws of the Game of Association Football), but Sheffield FC play at a lower level in the football pyramid (Northern Premier League Division 1 East i.e. 4 levels below EFL Division 2). |
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Post by mercian on May 15, 2023 15:29:15 GMT
Oldham, though your answers may be right too - I haven't checked. Your question - (from memory) I'm pretty sure it was at The Valley, so Charlton v someone. Derby? Around 1946/7. Massive crowds after the war. Oldham have actually fallen a little further. They are now in the National League. Football crowds were indeed massive, both before and after the war, and I think The Valley was also the largest capacity club ground for a number of years. I'm afraid both your answers to my question are incorrect, though. Quite right about Oldham. I got muddled. I think you (or someone) has posed the attendance question before but I can't be bothered to trawl through to find it. |
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Post by mercian on May 15, 2023 15:32:15 GMT
I've got to ask - who's the second oldest? One of the Sheffields? There is some some dispute about the earliest-founded teams: Notts Country is certainly 1862 and Wrexham 1864. Stoke City claim 1863 (which would make them the second-oldest professional club, but this is contested and it may be as late as 1868). Nottingham Forest were founded in 1865, and Sheffield Wednesday in 1867. There are older football clubs, like Sheffield FC (1857), whose foundation precedes the Football Association (and the Laws of the Game of Association Football), but Sheffield FC play at a lower level in the football pyramid (Northern Premier League Division 1 East i.e. 4 levels below EFL Division 2). Villa was 1874. My grandad was supposed to have known William MacGregor in the early days. |
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