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Post by James E on Dec 26, 2021 11:43:04 GMT
"26% of Leave supporters said it had gone worse than they expected, while 16% of those who voted for Brexit said they had expected it to go badly and had been proved right." The majority of those 16% who say they expected it to go badly are 'misremembering'. Looking at the polling the YouGov did in June 2016, only a tiny proportion of Leave voters expected negative consequences either for themselves or for the British economy. The contemporaneous figures were that just 3% expected it to make them worse off, 4% expected it to be bad for the economy, and 2% thought it would be bad for the NHS. The highest truly negative indicator was that 5% expected Britain to have less influence in the World. d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/atmwrgevvj/TimesResults_160622_EVEOFPOLL.pdf |
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Post by davwel on Dec 26, 2021 11:49:32 GMT
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Thanks again for responding to me on Classic FM`s carol voting in today`s early hours, and enlightening us about this "national" channel. As you suggested, it would be interesting to know the make-up by nation of those voting; I believe, along with Old Nat, that in polling, whether political or ethical or other, it is useful to know this make-up to derive any value. This certainly applies to those of us who stay in the smaller nations.
On Classic FM, my wife and I simply don`t listen, and it seems few do here. For the channel, Radio Times only gives a single short line, its frequency. Maybe other RT editions have more, and here instead we have pages of Scottish listings.
On "While shepherds" as in the King`s 9 lessons and carols, the tune used is a very odd choice. According to the big work on church music (English words) run by the University of Illinois that I contribute to, it was never set to this 1591 tune in 228 occurrences in different tune books/hymn books up to 1820. And for the reverse, the 1591 tune was married to different words in 454 tune books up to 1820 - it`s a tune for psalms not carols.
When my wife took on playing our local church organ, she was told firmly "we don`t want that English tune", but instead to keep using what was in the hymn books. This was "While Humble Shepherds" and DCM. So it fitted perfectly the 3 verses of 8 lines, and the congregation absolutely belted it out. Words below:
""While humble shepherds watched their flocks
On Bethlehem's plain by night,
An angel sent from heaven appeared,
And filled the plains with light.
“Fear not,” he said, for sudden dread
Had seized their troubled mind:
“Glad tidings of great joy I bring
To you and all mankind.""
But our new Church of Scotland book doesn`t have the bright tune, but has gone English with 1591. So While shepherds isn`t used. The old book`s tune was called Evangel, and by a German GW Fink, and seems widely used across the English-speaking world.
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Post by tancred on Dec 26, 2021 11:57:23 GMT
I listen to Classic FM - not as often as I used to though. The yearly "Hall of Fame" seems to have become a brexiter's dream, with huge numbers of entries by Elgar and Vaughan-Williams, which, though undoubtedly composers of great talent, do not compare with the very greatest of composers. Furthermore, the "Lark Ascending" winning the competition repeatedly year after year seems to confirm how parochial and nationalistic even fans of classical music are in this country. I suspect that those years when Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky won it was probably the handiwork of Putin's agents!
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Post by shevii on Dec 26, 2021 11:59:19 GMT
I demur a tad. While I admire Tutu enormously, that piece of rhetoric doesn't sound like one his best. A bit trite and glib for me, designed to get a giggle at an after dinner speech. He was much better than that. Maybe you missed the interpretation or I didn't give enough of the quote for you to get the interpretation that I would have gleaned from the rest of that speech- the point I believe he was making being that people who claim to be Christians do a lot of things that are very un-Christian like. Relevant of course to the situation in South Africa but also deep south in America and elsewhere. |
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Post by somerjohn on Dec 26, 2021 12:08:26 GMT
CB11: These groups will shortly come into play in terms of internal party machinations, I expect. If they're not already, of course.
I love these conspiratorial hints of dark forces lurking. All the more effective for leaving the exact nature of 'these groups' to the imagination.
I suppose one of the groups might be loosely termed 'international capital'. Not so much big business, as big money. All those sheikhs, oligarchs and shady despots who have parked their ill-gotten wealth in the UK and its flock of tax havens. Judicious donations, media ownership and compromat of individuals ("I am the Saudis' best friend in parliament. Please give me a lucrative job!") serve, presumably, to jerk that chain.
Any other suggestions?
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 26, 2021 12:23:36 GMT
I demur a tad. While I admire Tutu enormously, that piece of rhetoric doesn't sound like one his best. A bit trite and glib for me, designed to get a giggle at an after dinner speech. He was much better than that. Maybe you missed the interpretation or I didn't give enough of the quote for you to get the interpretation that I would have gleaned from the rest of that speech- the point I believe he was making being that people who claim to be Christians do a lot of things that are very un-Christian like. Relevant of course to the situation in South Africa but also deep south in America and elsewhere. Ah yes, that is an entirely different meaning then. If you took his quip, as you first quoted it, literally then he was differentiating his own faith from those who said proclaimed to be Christians but who actually didn't believe in Christ's existence. Very few of those people I would think, but I sort of get his weak joke. Your interpretation of the quip, however, is saying something very different and much more profound. Christians who do un-christian like things. Lots of those but they probably all believe in Christ too. Now, there's another debate altogether about people who loosely attach themselves to an organised religion label for survey completion purposes, and may occasionally even attend church services, but who have little or no faith. But they probably wouldn't self identify as Christians anyway. A Christian who doesn't believe in Christ?? Come on Archbishop!!! |
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 26, 2021 12:28:13 GMT
CB11: These groups will shortly come into play in terms of internal party machinations, I expect. If they're not already, of course.I love these conspiratorial hints of dark forces lurking. All the more effective for leaving the exact nature of 'these groups' to the imagination. I suppose one of the groups might be loosely termed 'international capital'. Not so much big business, as big money. All those sheikhs, oligarchs and shady despots who have parked their ill-gotten wealth in the UK and its flock of tax havens. Judicious donations, media ownership and compromat of individuals ("I am the Saudis' best friend in parliament. Please give me a lucrative job!") serve, presumably, to jerk that chain. Any other suggestions? Owners of mainstream media organisations and newspapers, and major party donors with a variety of vested interests in a Tory Government. I wasn't really thinking of "sheikhs, oligarchs and shady despots who have parked their ill-gotten wealth in the UKs....", but maybe I should! I was being much more parochial and prosaic! |
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Post by bantams on Dec 26, 2021 12:43:52 GMT
TED: It seems the Tories have a choice of strategies, either go quickly before things get worse, or hold on and hope the economy doesn't tank further. Trying to put myself in Tory shoes, I think I would wish for a quick lost election, so that Labour can take the flak as all the turkeys come home to roost. Conversely, from an ABT perspective, I think I would wish for the Tories to hang on in there to reap what they have sown, and face electoral judgement in 2024. But is there any precedent for a UK government effectively giving up? Not so far as I recall, though McDonald handing over to the National government comes close, I suppose. Will we reach a similar state of all-pervading crisis and loss of governmental confidence to 1931 in the next few years? Remember too that there a number of very powerful vested interest groups who won't allow them to give up, nor would they ever be happy that a Tory Government were every contemplating an escape to opposition. These groups will shortly come into play in terms of internal party machinations, I expect. If they're not already, of course. Happy Boxing Day everyone!
Well I have to say Batty has his Mojo back on the back of Bojo!
Not wanting to pour cold water on our LoC supporters on here I suspect strongly that there's very little chance of a quick election now, it will go to or very close to it's full term. The repeal of the Fixed Term Parliament Act will ensure that it could happen as late as December 2024. The problems No 10 have created for themselves won't go away quickly but with us being a near 3 years from the next GE there's still time, no new nasty Covid variants allowing, to turn public opinion around.
We're in a critical period where decisions on the separate ways we can as a country & individuals reduce the effects of climate change on those who will follow, these can't wait and the Tories can't afford to spend the time in a state of navel-gazing when so much needs to be done. The s**t has happened, accept it and move on.
Being a bit of a twitcher, an issue that came to my attention was the need to expand the return of our temperate rainforest all over the West of the island. It's the one subject I've been hassling & will continue to hassle our local MP about. Some money has finally been allocated by the Scottish & UK Government's but not anything like enough, however it's a welcome start.
I'd be interested to know what climate related issues are concerning other posters, maybe specific to where you live.
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Post by alec on Dec 26, 2021 12:43:59 GMT
Suprising to have so muh polling data to get our teeth into alongside the cold turkey, but these two polls are gems, aren't they? Big Tory losses, from an apparently more permanent shift, and signs of the Brexit cult cracking. I suspect these are not entirely unrelated. Leave voters were sold a pup (or more accurately, a large litter of pups, one to suit every taste) and eventally realty always catches up with bullshitters.
The more immediate concerns though are with covid. Amongst my bewilderment at the similarly cult like beief that things will be fine because Omicron is less serious, we now see London admissions doubling in a week, up to the 22nd. Problems coming. Meanwhile, papers in Nature show the seriousness of long covid, with much higher chances of life threatening conditions after initial covid recovery and no correlation between severity of infection and presence of persistent long covid.
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Post by steve on Dec 26, 2021 12:50:40 GMT
With the anniversary of year one of brexitania looming and with polling suggesting that the biggest mistake in international policy since the second world war is less popular than ever perhaps now is an opportunity to list the achievements of brexit.
I'll start off with:
The tremendous boost to the food bank providers and the Polish passport manufacturing industry.
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Post by jimjam on Dec 26, 2021 13:08:49 GMT
Bantams,
I have felt that FTPA of not May 2024 was always the most likely date.
Why would a party with an 80 seat majority risk it unless they are way ahead in the polls.
NB) Small pedantic piece of trivia, the GE can actually be Jan 2025 (assuming FTPA repealed) as the GE has to be called within 5 years of the last one.
The 'official' campaign in theory could straddle the Christmas holidays with the GE being in the second week of Jan.
Just one for a quiz perhaps?
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Post by bantams on Dec 26, 2021 13:26:25 GMT
Bantams, I have felt that FTPA of not May 2024 was always the most likely date. Why would a party with an 80 seat majority risk it unless they are way ahead in the polls. NB) Small pedantic piece of trivia, the GE can actually be Jan 2025 (assuming FTPA repealed) as the GE has to be called within 5 years of the last one. The 'official' campaign in theory could straddle the Christmas holidays with the GE being in the second week of Jan. Just one for a quiz perhaps? Good stat! Just learnt of the death of Janice Long, a TV & radio presenter a lot of us on here will be familiar with from our younger years. A trailblazer for women as a high profile disc jockey. RIP. |
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Post by robert on Dec 26, 2021 13:30:39 GMT
RIP Desmond Tutu Had the privilege to hear him speak at an anti apartheid rally back in the day and one of the best speakers I have ever heard- full of warmth and compassion and made me giggle with one of his quotes which was something like "now, I'm a Christian but unlike many other Christians I actually believe in Christ"! I demur a tad. While I admire Tutu enormously, that piece of rhetoric doesn't sound like one his best. A bit trite and glib for me, designed to get a giggle at an after dinner speech. He was much better than that. Spot on as far as the Church of England is concerned, though. |
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Post by hireton on Dec 26, 2021 13:32:39 GMT
Bantams, I have felt that FTPA of not May 2024 was always the most likely date. Why would a party with an 80 seat majority risk it unless they are way ahead in the polls. NB) Small pedantic piece of trivia, the GE can actually be Jan 2025 (assuming FTPA repealed) as the GE has to be called within 5 years of the last one. The 'official' campaign in theory could straddle the Christmas holidays with the GE being in the second week of Jan. Just one for a quiz perhaps? @jimjam I agree. I cannot see any grounds on which Johnson could request an early dissolution once the FTPA is repealed. The only possibly plausible scenario for an early UK GE would be a new Tory PM seeking a new mandate but even that would look like desperation. |
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Post by hireton on Dec 26, 2021 13:38:37 GMT
New Scotland ,Westminster VI poll from Opinium for the Sunday Mail: Before graham gets too excited it looks like this could translate seatwise into: SNP 56 LD 2 Lab 1 Cons 0 |
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Post by graham on Dec 26, 2021 13:47:12 GMT
Remember too that there a number of very powerful vested interest groups who won't allow them to give up, nor would they ever be happy that a Tory Government were every contemplating an escape to opposition. These groups will shortly come into play in terms of internal party machinations, I expect. If they're not already, of course. Happy Boxing Day everyone!
Well I have to say Batty has his Mojo back on the back of Bojo!
Not wanting to pour cold water on our LoC supporters on here I suspect strongly that there's very little chance of a quick election now, it will go to or very close to it's full term. The repeal of the Fixed Term Parliament Act will ensure that it could happen as late as December 2024. The problems No 10 have created for themselves won't go away quickly but with us being a near 3 years from the next GE there's still time, no new nasty Covid variants allowing, to turn public opinion around.
We're in a critical period where decisions on the separate ways we can as a country & individuals reduce the effects of climate change on those who will follow, these can't wait and the Tories can't afford to spend the time in a state of navel-gazing when so much needs to be done. The s**t has happened, accept it and move on.
Being a bit of a twitcher, an issue that came to my attention was the need to expand the return of our temperate rainforest all over the West of the island. It's the one subject I've been hassling & will continue to hassle our local MP about. Some money has finally been allocated by the Scottish & UK Government's but not anything like enough, however it's a welcome start.
I'd be interested to know what climate related issues are concerning other posters, maybe specific to where you live.
Even if we assume repeal of the FTPA the latest likely date for an election would be October 2024. |
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Post by robert on Dec 26, 2021 13:48:38 GMT
Colin
That poll does indeed look dire for the Tories and it may well be a permanent shift in fortunes, which we would normally be seeing after a party has been in Government for 11 years. However, it is a little early for the left to be salivating just yet. As others have said, we could be 3 years from the next GE and if a week is a long time in politics, what's three years?
What worries me is that, like the extreme left of Labour, the extreme right of the Tories believe that the reason for their woes is the fact that their policies are not extreme enough. Labour under Starmer and with a competent reshuffle behind him, is demonstrating that the extreme left is wrong, on that score. Competence is what counts too. Who is there in the Tory party to tread a similar path (there are obviously one or two candidates) but will they have a chance to be elected new leader, when a third of the party can be said to be more extreme than Thatcher ever was?
Interesting times and your post is one to bookmark for 3 years time.
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Post by graham on Dec 26, 2021 13:49:14 GMT
New Scotland ,Westminster VI poll from Opinium for the Sunday Mail: Before graham gets too excited it looks like this could translate seatwise into: SNP 56 LD 2 Lab 1 Cons 0 Not particularly excited by that , but suspect labour would manage more than a single seat - probably 3 or 4. LDs would also have more than 2 seats. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 26, 2021 14:01:28 GMT
I think I'm right in recalling that the last three losing PMs, Callaghan, Major and Brown all went the maximum parliamentary term, not because of any cunning plan but to try and delay the election until, McCawber like, they hoped something might turn up. Then they ran out of time.
Serial election winners, like Thatcher and Blair, leading confident governments and parties, always went to the country at a time of their choosing and when economic and electoral planets aligned.
If Johnson, or whoever, goes to the last possible time in this parliament, then he and his government is very likely to be in very deep trouble and will be desperately postponing the voters verdict.
History suggests so anyway.
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Post by mercian on Dec 26, 2021 14:03:07 GMT
TED: It seems the Tories have a choice of strategies, either go quickly before things get worse, or hold on and hope the economy doesn't tank further. Trying to put myself in Tory shoes, I think I would wish for a quick lost election, so that Labour can take the flak as all the turkeys come home to roost. Conversely, from an ABT perspective, I think I would wish for the Tories to hang on in there to reap what they have sown, and face electoral judgement in 2024. But is there any precedent for a UK government effectively giving up? Not so far as I recall, though McDonald handing over to the National government comes close, I suppose. Will we reach a similar state of all-pervading crisis and loss of governmental confidence to 1931 in the next few years? Remember too that there a number of very powerful vested interest groups who won't allow them to give up, nor would they ever be happy that a Tory Government were every contemplating an escape to opposition. These groups will shortly come into play in terms of internal party machinations, I expect. If they're not already, of course. I've heard mention of these mysterious vested interest groups before. Could you be more specific on what you mean? Are they something prosaic like the CBI, or more interesting like the Freemasons or even Illuminati perhaps? I'm putting this is a light-hearted way but I'm genuinely interested in who or what you mean. |
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Post by graham on Dec 26, 2021 14:06:16 GMT
Colin That poll does indeed look dire for the Tories and it may well be a permanent shift in fortunes, which we would normally be seeing after a party has been in Government for 11 years. However, it is a little early for the left to be salivating just yet. As others have said, we could be 4 years from the next GE and if a week is a long time in politics, what's four years? What worries me is that, like the extreme left of Labour, the extreme right of the Tories believe that the reason for their woes is the fact that their policies are not extreme enough. Labour under Starmer and with a competent reshuffle behind him, is demonstrating that the extreme left is wrong, on that score. Competence is what counts too. Who is there in the Tory party to tread a similar path (there are obviously one or two candidates) but will they have a chance to be elected new leader, when a third of the party can be said to be more extreme than Thatcher ever was? Interesting times and your post is one to bookmark for 4 years time. How do you arrive at 4 years - given that the last GE is over 2 years ago? It is surely now less than 3 years to polling day. |
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Post by mercian on Dec 26, 2021 14:07:49 GMT
CB11: These groups will shortly come into play in terms of internal party machinations, I expect. If they're not already, of course.I love these conspiratorial hints of dark forces lurking. All the more effective for leaving the exact nature of 'these groups' to the imagination. I suppose one of the groups might be loosely termed 'international capital'. Not so much big business, as big money. All those sheikhs, oligarchs and shady despots who have parked their ill-gotten wealth in the UK and its flock of tax havens. Judicious donations, media ownership and compromat of individuals ("I am the Saudis' best friend in parliament. Please give me a lucrative job!") serve, presumably, to jerk that chain. Any other suggestions? You beat me to it! |
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Post by graham on Dec 26, 2021 14:10:45 GMT
I think I'm right in recalling that the last three losing PMs, Callaghan, Major and Brown all went the maximum parliamentary term, not because of any cunning plan but to try and delay the election until, McCawber like, they hoped something might turn up. Then they ran out of time. Serial election winners, like Thatcher and Blair, leading confident governments and parties, always went to the country at a time of their choosing and when economic and electoral planets aligned. If Johnson, or whoever, goes to the last possible time in this parliament, then he and his government is very likely to be in very deep trouble and will be desperately postponing the voters verdict. History suggests so anyway. Callaghan could have continued until Autumn 1979 had he not lost the Vote of Confidence in late March that year. Major could have extended his term by a further three weeks to late May 1997 - rather than combining polling day with the Local Elections on 1st May. Alec Douglas - Home very nearly pulled it off for the Tories in October 1964 by delaying the election until the last few weeks possible.
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Post by bantams on Dec 26, 2021 14:14:43 GMT
I think I'm right in recalling that the last three losing PMs, Callaghan, Major and Brown all went the maximum parliamentary term, not because of any cunning plan but to try and delay the election until, McCawber like, they hoped something might turn up. Then they ran out of time. Serial election winners, like Thatcher and Blair, leading confident governments and parties, always went to the country at a time of their choosing and when economic and electoral planets aligned. If Johnson, or whoever, goes to the last possible time in this parliament, then he and his government is very likely to be in very deep trouble and will be desperately postponing the voters verdict. History suggests so anyway. I'd agree with that notion though remember going early nearly blew up in May's face..........actually it did!
No Steven Gerrard today, who's holding the Villa reins?
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 26, 2021 14:35:57 GMT
I think I'm right in recalling that the last three losing PMs, Callaghan, Major and Brown all went the maximum parliamentary term, not because of any cunning plan but to try and delay the election until, McCawber like, they hoped something might turn up. Then they ran out of time. Serial election winners, like Thatcher and Blair, leading confident governments and parties, always went to the country at a time of their choosing and when economic and electoral planets aligned. If Johnson, or whoever, goes to the last possible time in this parliament, then he and his government is very likely to be in very deep trouble and will be desperately postponing the voters verdict. History suggests so anyway. I'd agree with that notion though remember going early nearly blew up in May's face..........actually it did!
No Steven Gerrard today, who's holding the Villa reins?
Just about to discover, Bants. On my way with the Gloucestershire Lions in a few minutes A convoy of combine harvesters picking us up near Junction 9 of the M5. Police escort too, I expect. Cider heads, the lot of us. |
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Post by shevii on Dec 26, 2021 14:39:49 GMT
bantamsAlways rated Janice Long as the best of the pre John Peel slot DJ's. Most of the others seemed to be more calculating in what they took to be the segway between the daytime pop stuff and the more independent/experimental stuff that Peel played. You always felt their heart wasn't entirely in what they were playing and could just as easily have done the breakfast show playing the top 10 if asked. She seemed more willing to seek out new bands and take chances based on her own tastes rather than just pick up the "softer" Peel groups because they would fit in nicely to the transition and she was much more passionate about music I think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 14:45:20 GMT
Bantams: “ No Steven Gerrard today, who's holding the Villa reins?”
Batty is going to give his Agincourt speech.....”Go out there and express yourselves lads.”
Looks nothing in print but when he says it the players are all deeply moved and inspired. They can’t get on to the pitch quick enough.
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Post by bantams on Dec 26, 2021 15:24:41 GMT
I'd agree with that notion though remember going early nearly blew up in May's face..........actually it did!
No Steven Gerrard today, who's holding the Villa reins?
Just about to discover, Bants. On my way with the Gloucestershire Lions in a few minutes A convoy of combine harvesters picking us up near Junction 9 of the M5. Police escort too, I expect. Cider heads, the lot of us. After a couple this could be the song of choice: When the moon shines on the cow shed And we're rolling in the hay All the cows are up there grazin' And the milk is on its way I am a cider drinker I drinks it all of the day I am a cider drinker It soothes all me troubles away Proper job! Wanna try some, young 'un? It's so cosy in the kitchen With the smell of rabbit stew When the breeze blows 'cross the farmyard You can smell the cow shed too (Cor! I never smelled nothin' like it in all of me life) When those combine wheels stops turnin' And the hard days work is done Theres a pub around the corner It's the place we 'ave our fun (Arrh, we'll have some fun an' all) I am a cider drinker I drinks it all of the day I am a cider drinker It soothes all me troubles away Now dear old Mabel when she's able We takes a stroll down Lovers Lane And we'll sinks a pint o' Scrumpy Then we'll play old nature's game But we end up in the duckpond When the pub decides to close With me britches full o' tadpoles And the newts between me toes I am a cider drinker I drinks it all of the day I am a cider drinker It soothes all me troubles away C'mon everyone, gettin' off the rails, ha-ha I am a cider drinker I drinks it all of the day I am a cider drinker It soothes all me troubles away Let cider be the spice o' life |
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Post by alec on Dec 26, 2021 15:32:13 GMT
Many people have previously pointed to the vaccine strategy as a rare success of the UK government during the pandemic, so this is somewhat disconcerting - www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/26/plans-to-sell-off-uk-vaccine-development-centre-criticised-by-scientistsThe key players - Kate Bingham, Clive Rix, John Bell - are all quoted as expressing concern at the propsed sell off of the Vaccine Manufacture and Innovation Centre, and expressing a view that the UK has lost it's way in the pandemic response. The VMIC was a huge success in this, and the failure to retain a publicly owned vaccine innovation and research capability would be a terrible failure. We are currently in a phase of the pandemic where the big pharmaceutical companies are more or less happy to chase variants with new jabs, in an endless gravy train of publicly funded vaccination campaigns. We desperately need alternative, state backed research centres looking into alternative options, like non specific pan-coronavirus jabs that would help us now and also for the next pandemic. The interesting question would be who in government is pushing this move. Is Sunak, the California obsessed Big Tech friendly chancelor the one pushing for the privatised solution for everything? |
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Post by bantams on Dec 26, 2021 15:40:06 GMT
Many people have previously pointed to the vaccine strategy as a rare success of the UK government during the pandemic, so this is somewhat disconcerting - www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/26/plans-to-sell-off-uk-vaccine-development-centre-criticised-by-scientistsThe key players - Kate Bingham, Clive Rix, John Bell - are all quoted as expressing concern at the propsed sell off of the Vaccine Manufacture and Innovation Centre, and expressing a view that the UK has lost it's way in the pandemic response. The VMIC was a huge success in this, and the failure to retain a publicly owned vaccine innovation and research capability would be a terrible failure. We are currently in a phase of the pandemic where the big pharmaceutical companies are more or less happy to chase variants with new jabs, in an endless gravy train of publicly funded vaccination campaigns. We desperately need alternative, state backed research centres looking into alternative options, like non specific pan-coronavirus jabs that would help us now and also for the next pandemic. The interesting question would be who in government is pushing this move. Is Sunak, the California obsessed Big Tech friendly chancelor the one pushing for the privatised solution for everything? The US Army Labs have produced a vaccine it says it's confident will deal with all forms of Covid & SARS now & going forward. They've been working on it for more than 18 months. There'll be more on it in the New Year. |
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