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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 10:14:23 GMT
Daughter who felt like sh*t yesterday feeling much better today, so there's that.
Although Christmas will just be us now of course.
Thanks for everybody's nice remarks. Going to cook Turkey today and reheat tomorrow in revolutionary new approach.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 24, 2021 10:15:47 GMT
There's an ugly rumour going round that you lose a star for every day you don't post. No mention whether you can enter minus star territory though. I've also heard that in a lord of misrule gesture all senior members (4 stars and above) buy drinks for other ranks at Christmas. Mine's a pint of Brakspear's best bitter. As someone well on the way to gaining membership of the UKPR2 top brass, but as yet still a middle ranking three star NCO, I like your idea very much, SDA. On the basis that we all exist in cyberspace in terms of interaction, I will be forwarding the bar bill I am about to incur this lunchtime at our excellent local, the Star Inn in Ashton under the Hill, to Mark for onward settlement. I assume Mark will seek and obtain suitable remittance from the four star full members on UKPR2 in order to forward funds to me so that I can then pay my expected eye-watering bill. In anticipation of that, I say cheers (hic) to all on UKPR2 and wish you all a very Happy Christmas and New Year! 😁🍻🌲🦁 |
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Post by alec on Dec 24, 2021 10:26:01 GMT
steve - I think I was the first to post on the mechansim of infection by Omicron that gave scientific weight to the observations that it was less severe. This included details of the way it binds to cells and the fact that it infects the upper respiratory tract much more readily than the lungs. I noted at this is good news. So I don't accept your characterization of my posts. I'm a realist in a world of optimist, and on covid, I've been right far more times than I've been wrong. On the personalisation of deaths, yes, I do understand your point, and I would accept that there is a debate to be had here, but I don't think it is correct to say consideration of suffering has no place in public health. Sometimes in public policy I actually think you need to pay more attention to the emotion, rather than less, and it is the balancing of harms that is the key factor here. In my opinion.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 24, 2021 10:29:52 GMT
Daughter who felt like sh*t yesterday feeling much better today, so there's that. Although Christmas will just be us now of course. Thanks for everybody's nice remarks. Going to cook Turkey today and reheat tomorrow in revolutionary new approach. I'll pass you over to my son's biochemist food testing technologist partner who is screaming 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!' over my shoulder. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 24, 2021 10:36:30 GMT
There's an ugly rumour going round that you lose a star for every day you don't post. No mention whether you can enter minus star territory though. I've also heard that in a lord of misrule gesture all senior members (4 stars and above) buy drinks for other ranks at Christmas. Mine's a pint of Brakspear's best bitter. As someone well on the way to gaining membership of the UKPR2 top brass, but as yet still a middle ranking three star NCO, I like your idea very much, SDA. On the basis that we all exist in cyberspace in terms of interaction, I will be forwarding the bar bill I am about to incur this lunchtime at our excellent local, the Star Inn in Ashton under the Hill, to Mark for onward settlement. I assume Mark will seek and obtain suitable remittance from the four star full members on UKPR2 in order to forward funds to me so that I can then pay my expected eye-watering bill. In anticipation of that, I say cheers (hic) to all on UKPR2 and wish you all a very Happy Christmas and New Year! 😁🍻🌲🦁 For a moment I thought you were going to say that you were lunching at the North Yorkshire branch www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19765757.police-interview-man-connection-fire-star-inn-harome/ |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Dec 24, 2021 10:55:57 GMT
Burns-Murdoch studied geography, data science and journalism. His career is mostly journalism. Not seeing where he became a doctor and virologist? uk.linkedin.com/in/jburnmurdoch |
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Post by bantams on Dec 24, 2021 11:18:03 GMT
I'm looking forward to those who see significance in local bye-election results predicting the next UK Government from Bransgore & Burley (New Forest) IND: 44.3% (+44.3) GRN: 33.0% (+33.0) CON: 18.5% (-53.7) LAB: 4.2% (-23.5) Independent GAIN from Conservative. Votes cast: 1,393 You need to read the background to this, the shananigans involved might explain what appears to be an extreme result. I couldn't have made it up. Taken from Andrew Teale:
"This by-election is one from the Councillors Behaving Badly file, although I should stress right at the beginning that the resigning councillor Mark Steele is not the one behaving badly. Steele was first elected in this ward in 2015, and he served on the council’s cabinet with the partnering and leisure portfolio.
At the time the leader of the council was Barry Rickman of the Conservatives, who had taken on the top job in 2008. Rickman served in that post for over twelve years, before being brought down by a scandal over his business affairs. For those readers who think politics is a dumpster fire at the moment, well… in the case of Rickman, that almost literally happened.
Along with his brother Robert, Barry Rickman owned a scrapyard in Sway, within the New Forest National Park, which was breaking up and disposing of old cars. Following a complaint that burning was taking place on the site, the police and the Environment Agency found that Rickman’s scrapyard was operating without the necessary environmental permits. The Environment Agency launched a prosecution.
In March 2021 the Rickmans appeared before Southampton magistrates and pleaded guilty to one charge each under the Environmental Permitting (England and Wales) Regulations 2016. The district judge delayed sentencing to allow them the opportunity to clean the site up; after a number of missed deadlines for doing this the Rickmans were eventually sentenced in November. Councillor Barry Rickman, who was not involved in the day-to-day running of the scrapyard, was fined £2000 plus costs for knowingly permitting the operation of an illegal waste site; Robert received a four-month suspended sentence for operating the site. Both of them have been also ordered by the court to remove all remaining cars and waste from the land within 12 months.
Following Barry Rickman’s guilty plea he resigned as leader of New Forest council, and he was subsequently kicked out of the ruling Conservative group. The new council leader, Edward Heron, then proposed that Rickman be removed as one of the council’s representatives on the New Forest National Park Authority.
This plan was opposed by Mark Steele, who went so far as to make a complaint to the council’s monitoring officer that Heron was seeking to bully him into voting for Rickman’s removal. The monitoring officer rejected the complaint, following which Steele resigned from the council.
That leaves with a tasty by-election to take us into the Christmas break, although the form book says this should be an easy win for the new Conservative candidate Sarah Howard. She is fighting her first election campaign, and she is a professional chef and member of the Royal Academy of Culinary Arts. The only other party to stand here last time was Labour, whose candidate James Swyer works for the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust. Outgoing councillor Steele has signed the nomination papers for independent candidate Richard Frampton, a farmer and cider maker who has previously sat as both as a Conservative and as a Liberal Democrat member of New Forest council: Frampton, then with the Conservative nomination, won a by-election here in December 2014 and served this ward until 2019. Completing the ballot paper is Lucy Bramley for the Green Party."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 11:26:00 GMT
Hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THREE STAR GENERAL and a FULL member !!!!!!!!!!! (Now to check the rule book for me perks.) Now now, liking your own post is taking things too far…. One tries to be sincere John. |
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Post by jib on Dec 24, 2021 11:37:55 GMT
Merry Christmas ⛄🎄🎄🐫🦃
The best of health to you all, and thank you Mark for saving the forum!
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Dec 24, 2021 11:58:34 GMT
Hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THREE STAR GENERAL and a FULL member !!!!!!!!!!! (Now to check the rule book for me perks.) Can I move that we abolish the star system - it just re-enforces the patriarchy and the suppression of the working class, as well as having intrinsically militaristic undertones! |
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Post by bantams on Dec 24, 2021 12:00:21 GMT
Hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THREE STAR GENERAL and a FULL member !!!!!!!!!!! (Now to check the rule book for me perks.) Can I move that we abolish the star system - it just re-enforces the patriarchy and the suppression of the working class, as well as having intrinsically militaristic undertones! It's alright for you.....Sir! |
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Post by bantams on Dec 24, 2021 12:12:13 GMT
Huge increase in infections & deaths in today's Welsh stats:
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Post by bardin1 on Dec 24, 2021 12:13:03 GMT
I'm looking forward to those who see significance in local bye-election results predicting the next UK Government from Bransgore & Burley (New Forest) IND: 44.3% (+44.3) GRN: 33.0% (+33.0) CON: 18.5% (-53.7) LAB: 4.2% (-23.5) Independent GAIN from Conservative. Votes cast: 1,393 You need to read the background to this, the shananigans involved might explain what appears to be an extreme result. I couldn't have made it up. Taken from Andrew Teale:
"This by-election is one from the Councillors Behaving Badly file, although I should stress right at the beginning that the resigning councillor Mark Steele is not the one behaving badly. Steele was first elected in this ward in 2015, and he served on the council’s cabinet with the partnering and leisure portfolio.
At the time the leader of the council was Barry Rickman of the Conservatives, who had taken on the top job in 2008. Rickman served in that post for over twelve years, before being brought down by a scandal over his business affairs. For those readers who think politics is a dumpster fire at the moment, well… in the case of Rickman, that almost literally happened.
Along with his brother Robert, Barry Rickman owned a scrapyard in Sway, within the New Forest National Park, which was breaking up and disposing of old cars. Following a complaint that burning was taking place on the site, the police and the Environment Agency found that Rickman’s scrapyard was operating without the necessary environmental permits. The Environment Agency launched a prosecution.
In March 2021 the Rickmans appeared before Southampton magistrates and pleaded guilty to one charge each under the Environmental Permitting (England and Wales) Regulations 2016. The district judge delayed sentencing to allow them the opportunity to clean the site up; after a number of missed deadlines for doing this the Rickmans were eventually sentenced in November. Councillor Barry Rickman, who was not involved in the day-to-day running of the scrapyard, was fined £2000 plus costs for knowingly permitting the operation of an illegal waste site; Robert received a four-month suspended sentence for operating the site. Both of them have been also ordered by the court to remove all remaining cars and waste from the land within 12 months.
Following Barry Rickman’s guilty plea he resigned as leader of New Forest council, and he was subsequently kicked out of the ruling Conservative group. The new council leader, Edward Heron, then proposed that Rickman be removed as one of the council’s representatives on the New Forest National Park Authority.
This plan was opposed by Mark Steele, who went so far as to make a complaint to the council’s monitoring officer that Heron was seeking to bully him into voting for Rickman’s removal. The monitoring officer rejected the complaint, following which Steele resigned from the council.
That leaves with a tasty by-election to take us into the Christmas break, although the form book says this should be an easy win for the new Conservative candidate Sarah Howard. She is fighting her first election campaign, and she is a professional chef and member of the Royal Academy of Culinary Arts. The only other party to stand here last time was Labour, whose candidate James Swyer works for the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust. Outgoing councillor Steele has signed the nomination papers for independent candidate Richard Frampton, a farmer and cider maker who has previously sat as both as a Conservative and as a Liberal Democrat member of New Forest council: Frampton, then with the Conservative nomination, won a by-election here in December 2014 and served this ward until 2019. Completing the ballot paper is Lucy Bramley for the Green Party."
Surely the candidate's details must be mixed up - Lucy Bramley just has to be the cider-making conservative? However the result was predictable musically - Frampton Comes Alive! Happy Christmas to all on here |
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Post by bantams on Dec 24, 2021 12:17:08 GMT
You need to read the background to this, the shananigans involved might explain what appears to be an extreme result. I couldn't have made it up. Taken from Andrew Teale:
"This by-election is one from the Councillors Behaving Badly file, although I should stress right at the beginning that the resigning councillor Mark Steele is not the one behaving badly. Steele was first elected in this ward in 2015, and he served on the council’s cabinet with the partnering and leisure portfolio.
At the time the leader of the council was Barry Rickman of the Conservatives, who had taken on the top job in 2008. Rickman served in that post for over twelve years, before being brought down by a scandal over his business affairs. For those readers who think politics is a dumpster fire at the moment, well… in the case of Rickman, that almost literally happened.
Along with his brother Robert, Barry Rickman owned a scrapyard in Sway, within the New Forest National Park, which was breaking up and disposing of old cars. Following a complaint that burning was taking place on the site, the police and the Environment Agency found that Rickman’s scrapyard was operating without the necessary environmental permits. The Environment Agency launched a prosecution.
In March 2021 the Rickmans appeared before Southampton magistrates and pleaded guilty to one charge each under the Environmental Permitting (England and Wales) Regulations 2016. The district judge delayed sentencing to allow them the opportunity to clean the site up; after a number of missed deadlines for doing this the Rickmans were eventually sentenced in November. Councillor Barry Rickman, who was not involved in the day-to-day running of the scrapyard, was fined £2000 plus costs for knowingly permitting the operation of an illegal waste site; Robert received a four-month suspended sentence for operating the site. Both of them have been also ordered by the court to remove all remaining cars and waste from the land within 12 months.
Following Barry Rickman’s guilty plea he resigned as leader of New Forest council, and he was subsequently kicked out of the ruling Conservative group. The new council leader, Edward Heron, then proposed that Rickman be removed as one of the council’s representatives on the New Forest National Park Authority.
This plan was opposed by Mark Steele, who went so far as to make a complaint to the council’s monitoring officer that Heron was seeking to bully him into voting for Rickman’s removal. The monitoring officer rejected the complaint, following which Steele resigned from the council.
That leaves with a tasty by-election to take us into the Christmas break, although the form book says this should be an easy win for the new Conservative candidate Sarah Howard. She is fighting her first election campaign, and she is a professional chef and member of the Royal Academy of Culinary Arts. The only other party to stand here last time was Labour, whose candidate James Swyer works for the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust. Outgoing councillor Steele has signed the nomination papers for independent candidate Richard Frampton, a farmer and cider maker who has previously sat as both as a Conservative and as a Liberal Democrat member of New Forest council: Frampton, then with the Conservative nomination, won a by-election here in December 2014 and served this ward until 2019. Completing the ballot paper is Lucy Bramley for the Green Party."
Surely the candidate's details must be mixed up - Lucy Bramley just has to be the cider-making conservative? However the result was predictable musically - Frampton Comes Alive! Happy Christmas to all on here Ha! But the cider maker is Independent...........isn't he?  |
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Post by alec on Dec 24, 2021 13:03:44 GMT
Well, Sage minutes saying that hospitalisations fromOmicron are doubling evry 4 - 5 days at present, which is better than case rates but not that pleasant, and they also suggest that estimates of the reduction in inherent severity of Omicron range from 15% - 80% and we don't yet know what the actual figure is, with some uncertainty that vaccinated younger cases are distorting the data and that when this moves into older groups, a figure nearer the bottom end of the range may potentially become more valid.
Who knows?, but in the meantime, please everyone have as good a Christmas as you can manage. Glad that UKPR survived, and thanks to Mark for that, as well as everyone else for jumping in.
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Post by alec on Dec 24, 2021 13:05:29 GMT
steve - appreciate we don't agree on much of the covid assessment, but I have to say it's a pleasure to be able to disagree politely. I respect that, so a thankyou, on a personal level. UKPR2 has been very good in many ways.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 14:33:18 GMT
steve - appreciate we don't agree on much of the covid assessment, but I have to say it's a pleasure to be able to disagree politely. I respect that, so a thankyou, on a personal level. UKPR2 has been very good in many ways. I am hoping that the squabbling will be able to resume in the New Year. It’s not nice when traditions suddenly end. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 24, 2021 14:37:49 GMT
Hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THREE STAR GENERAL and a FULL member !!!!!!!!!!! (Now to check the rule book for me perks.) Can I move that we abolish the star system - it just re-enforces the patriarchy and the suppression of the working class, as well as having intrinsically militaristic undertones! Hierarchical yes, patriarchal possibly, militaristic not so much. Take away the stars and Paul would have nothing left to strive toward. If no stars, it would be followed by requests for no post numbers, then no names and finally no posts. I don't know about other UKPRers but I'd class this as work, sometimes. |
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Post by steve on Dec 24, 2021 14:41:01 GMT
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Post by steve on Dec 24, 2021 14:48:40 GMT
Attachment DeletedCrofty I very much hope to continue next stop five stars and world domination!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 15:16:51 GMT
From R&W
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and who they rate to handle those issues:
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Post by bantams on Dec 24, 2021 15:28:12 GMT
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Alec You are welcome and just a little thought for Christmas. If we're doing poems about politics: Is Keir Starmer disappointing because you knew he’d be disappointing
or because you knew he’d be disappointing but not this disappointing?
Or is Keir Starmer disappointing because he’s so disappointing
(though you knew he would be) that you can’t even feel disappointed?
Is Keir Starmer a memorial to the unmemorizable Pi of constant disappointment?
Is Keir Starmer disappointing on his own time, or does he approach being disappointing
as a job for which he is exceptionally well qualified, being, as he is, disappointing
not in a relative or situationist sense but absolutely & categorically disappointing?
W. H. Auden said the novelist must become the whole of boredom but why does Sir Keir Starmer have to be the whole of disappointment?
Is Keir Starmer a condition of eternally recursive disappointment in which the disappointed
may become trapped in a state, as it were, of permanent disappointment?
Is a state of permanent disappointment the same thing as a permanent state of disappointment,
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Post by oldnat on Dec 24, 2021 15:32:03 GMT
SDA
"I don't know about other UKPRers but I'd class this as work, sometimes."
I concur. Having finished wrapping the pressies, Mrs Nat and I are continuing to work hard by having a glass of wine.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 24, 2021 15:33:33 GMT
Disappointed with that poem Bantams, my printer scans better than that.
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Post by bantams on Dec 24, 2021 15:37:45 GMT
Disappointed with that poem Bantams, my printer scans better than that. Disappointed you're disappointed. |
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Post by robert on Dec 24, 2021 16:02:25 GMT
A Politically Correct Christmas
~ Anon
Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a wreck...
How to live in a world that's politically correct?
His workers no longer would answer to "Elves",
"Vertically Challenged" they were calling themselves.
And labor conditions at the North Pole,
were alleged by the union, to stifle the soul.
Four reindeer had vanished without much propriety,
released to the wilds, by the Humane Society.
And equal employment had made it quite clear,
that Santa had better not use just reindeer.
So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid,
were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid!
The runners had been removed from his beautiful sleigh,
because the ruts were deemed dangerous by the EPA,
And millions of people were calling the Cops,
when they heard sled noises upon their roof tops.
Second-hand smoke from his pipe, had his workers quite frightened,
and his fur trimmed red suit was called "unenlightened".
To show you the strangeness of today's ebbs and flows,
Rudolf was suing over unauthorized use of his nose.
He went to Geraldo, in front of the Nation,
demanding millions in over-due workers compensation.
So...half of the reindeer were gone, and his wife
who suddenly said she'd had enough of this life,
joined a self help group, packed and left in a whiz,
demanding from now on that her title was Ms.
And as for gifts...why, he'd never had the notion
that making a choice could cause such commotion.
Nothing of leather, nothing of fur...
Which meant nothing for him or nothing for her.
Nothing to aim, Nothing to shoot,
Nothing that clamored or made lots of noise.
Nothing for just girls and nothing for just boys.
Nothing that claimed to be gender specific,
Nothing that's warlike or non-pacifistic.
No candy or sweets...they were bad for the tooth.
Nothing that seemed to embellish upon the truth.
And fairy tales...while not yet forbidden,
were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden,
for they raised the hackles of those psychological,
who claimed the only good gift was one ecological.
No baseball, no football...someone might get hurt,
besides - playing sports exposed kids to dirt.
Dolls were said to be sexist and should be passe.
and Nintendo would rot your entire brain away.
So Santa just stood there, disheveled and perplexed,
he just couldn't figure out what to do next?
He tried to be merry he tried to be gay,
but you must have to admit he was having a very bad day.
His sack was quite empty, it was flat on the ground,
nothing fully acceptable was anywhere to be found.
Something special was needed, a gift that he might,
give to us all, without angering the left or the right.
A gift that would satisfy - with no indecision,
each group of people in every religion.
Every race, every hue,
everyone, everywhere...even you!
So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth...
"May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on Earth."
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Post by alec on Dec 24, 2021 16:20:37 GMT
Oh. Yesyerdays big increase in admission exceeded today, with the number increasing by 30% compared to the corresponding day a week earlier. Admissions data only up to Dec 20th, so a 4 day lag, and the big case rises still to come.
Not a great Christmas eve.
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Post by bantams on Dec 24, 2021 16:23:34 GMT
Oh. Yesyerdays big increase in admission exceeded today, with the number increasing by 30% compared to the corresponding day a week earlier. Admissions data only up to Dec 20th, so a 4 day lag, and the big case rises still to come. Not a great Christmas eve. No, infections story:
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Post by bantams on Dec 24, 2021 16:25:23 GMT
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Post by bantams on Dec 24, 2021 17:21:40 GMT
Happy Xmas to everyone on UKPR2 & may Santa visit you all tonight. He's real you know!
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