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Post by alec on Dec 21, 2021 15:37:54 GMT
General rule of thumb, I think:
If you're laughing at them, it's humourous and lighthearted banter.
If they are laughing at you, it's a depressing attack of free speech and a sign that UKPR/UKPR2/whatever is going to the dogs, it never used to be like this, yadayadayada.....
Have we all got that?
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 21, 2021 15:58:29 GMT
General rule of thumb, I think: If you're laughing at them, it's humourous and lighthearted banter. If they are laughing at you, it's a depressing attack of free speech and a sign that UKPR/UKPR2/whatever is going to the dogs, it never used to be like this, yadayadayada..... Have we all got that? I think the key to good humour is never to punch down, to gently puncture pomposity without getting personal and, crucially, to retain the ability to laugh at oneself. An acute sense of the ridiculous is important too. If you encounter someone ticking all of those four boxes, then you're very likely to have found excellent company and a pretty well rounded human being too. |
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Post by Mark on Dec 21, 2021 15:59:13 GMT
Just a quick one to say...it appears that a band with a very rude name are heading for a top 5 entry in the charts with an even ruder song about Boris Johnson...
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Post by barbara on Dec 21, 2021 16:07:57 GMT
Just a quick one to say...it appears that a band with a very rude name are heading for a top 5 entry in the charts with an even ruder song about Boris Johnson... Found it. Very rude. But ar least you can say they're consistent. They've added only a "still" to last year's release!  |
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Post by davwel on Dec 21, 2021 16:18:49 GMT
A wise decision of Nicola Sturgeon to limit crowds at football matches to 500 from Boxing Day.
I wonder how the Scottish Tories reacted, perhaps fearing for their second employment - I have been too busy to follow the Holyrood debate. It`s pretty cold, frosty, in the NE and already dark. Also the last day for schools.
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Post by neilj on Dec 21, 2021 16:19:20 GMT
Just a quick one to say...it appears that a band with a very rude name are heading for a top 5 entry in the charts with an even ruder song about Boris Johnson... Found it. Very rude. But ar least you can say they're consistent. They've added only a "still" to last year's release! Looks like they were ahead of the polls, certainly beat the Leeds fans to it:-) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 16:21:53 GMT
alec@"General rule of thumb, I think: If you're laughing at them, it's humo  rous and lighthearted banter. If they are laughing at you, it's a depressing attack of free speech and a sign that UKPR/UKPR2/whatever is going to the dogs, it never used to be like this, yadayadayada..... Have we all got that?" Oh yes My jokes are humorous banter-yours are insensitive and partisan. Twas ever thus . 
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Dec 21, 2021 16:25:15 GMT
Just a quick one to say...it appears that a band with a very rude name are heading for a top 5 entry in the charts with an even ruder song about Boris Johnson... well it’s a poll of sorts. They could do one for every political leader, see how they do. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 16:27:54 GMT
Just a quick one to say...it appears that a band with a very rude name are heading for a top 5 entry in the charts with an even ruder song about Boris Johnson... You could make it a new thread Mark. Then you can all sing along to it for Christmas. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 21, 2021 16:28:15 GMT
Just a quick one to say...it appears that a band with a very rude name are heading for a top 5 entry in the charts with an even ruder song about Boris Johnson... Go on, Mark, give us the first line, just so I can be sure it's the same song that about ten different friends forwarded to me about three weeks ago.  |
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Post by domjg on Dec 21, 2021 16:33:13 GMT
Just a quick one to say...it appears that a band with a very rude name are heading for a top 5 entry in the charts with an even ruder song about Boris Johnson... @mark Came across that last year, I'm ashamed to say it's very cathartic to listen to.. |
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Post by Mark on Dec 21, 2021 16:35:57 GMT
Go on, Mark, give us the first line, just so I can be sure it's the same song that about ten different friends forwarded to me about three weeks ago. Is that a not so subtle way to get me to post something rude? Midweek chart (sales/downloads from the first 3 days), it's at number 5... www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart-update/ |
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Post by mercian on Dec 21, 2021 16:39:32 GMT
domjg "She puts it down to a lack of socialisation in childhood of English boys..." Interesting theory. I've noticed the same phenomenon myself (including in me when younger). Can you elaborate? In what way did she think socialisation was lacking? - She didn't know, just a guess. Not recently known as someone to always defend things English I felt quite defensive myself as she was telling me this, I guess as I could see what she was getting at. Obviously this is universal behaviour to some extent and when living in Holland for example I definitely saw lads there behaving in the same way but it does seem to be much more of a thing here than elsewhere in Europe at least. If it's partly responsible for English humour then it must have upsides as well I guess.. The flipside is that my German friend chooses to live here because it's less communitarian and she finds working life especially too rigidly defined in Germany and values the greater individualism here and greater emphasis on what you can actually do rather than what you have on paper. Thanks for that. I was just curious about the socialisation bit because all boys go to school for instance. Do they start younger on the old Continong? I wonder also if one of my pet theories comes into play, namely that it was the most aggressive and adventurous Saxons, Vikings etc who settled Britain, leaving behind the more settled ones, and then in due course the most aggressive and adventurous Brits settled other places, and thus the Aussies and Yanks are even more aggressive than we are? |
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Post by James E on Dec 21, 2021 16:41:44 GMT
Just a quick one to say...it appears that a band with a very rude name are heading for a top 5 entry in the charts with an even ruder song about Boris Johnson... well it’s a poll of sorts. They could do one for every political leader, see how they do. This one has a little more political balance. www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-kbMF1GF2A |
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Post by barbara on Dec 21, 2021 16:49:51 GMT
That must have taken to do! Very impressive dedication to comedy! |
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Post by t7g4 on Dec 21, 2021 16:53:37 GMT
A wise decision of Nicola Sturgeon to limit crowds at football matches to 500 from Boxing Day. I wonder how the Scottish Tories reacted, perhaps fearing for their second employment - I have been too busy to follow the Holyrood debate. It`s pretty cold, frosty, in the NE and already dark. Also the last day for schools. Why not start from tomorrow. Nicola will be losing some indie support from the Celtic fans. |
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Post by Mark on Dec 21, 2021 16:56:01 GMT
Cassetteboy.....he's from here in Swansea (I've not actually met him, but, have it on good authority that he's about a mile from me) |
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 21, 2021 16:56:09 GMT
inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-johnson-tory-party-scandal-elected-1349406I've always found Ian Burrell an interesting political commentator and while his politics are different to mine, I find him nearly always a thought provoking read. He seems to be one of the few centre right thinkers around (maybe Parris and Oborne are others) who have never jumped on the Johnson bandwagon. Of course, there are many now jumping off it having been obedient cheerleaders for a long time (Fraser Nelson etc), but it seems to me that Burrell has always seen the dangers of Johnson and the essential venality of the man. In this article (see link above) he strikes a chord with my own thinking too. The problem isn't really Johnson, although he is proving to be a spectacularly poor PM, it's the political party that nurtured, spawned and then coronated him, and it's a fundamentally different party to the one that Burrell joined many years ago. His view is that it's the party that should be blamed for Johnson, not be pitied or even exonerated for suffering him. Johnson didn't land on us from a different planet, or appear like some genie out of the ether, he was given to us by the modern Conservative Party. Their members and MPs deemed him to be a fit and proper Prime Minister. It's perfectly possible that this party, once they've got rid of him, will saddle us with something equally as disastrous. And if we escape the Tory-centric perspective for a bit, isn't this really where Labour need to go with th narrative now, especially when you see the insouciant luxuriating within Tory ranks about how easy it will be just to shaft Johnson at the appropriate time, install a Truss/Sunak/Javid/Hunt/Mourdant and, hey presto ten more years of power is in the bag. In other words, whilst tempting, leave off the Johnson bashing (he's doing most of that himself) and start to prosecute a much wider case against modern Toryism. I think the electorate is ready to listen to it too now.
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Post by mercian on Dec 21, 2021 17:01:10 GMT
Actually Barbara, you are not the only woman on here. For what it's worth I agree with you, pretty much all the time. Must be the sisterhood! Oh Wow! Fantastic! Delighted to make your acquaintance. That's a great feeling knowing there are two of us. Let's hope there are more who might reveal themselves. It can only be a good thing. Does it count if I self-identify as a woman? |
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Post by robert on Dec 21, 2021 17:01:15 GMT
Colin: ROC contributors just have to grin and bare it i guess.{/i]
Please don't bare it, Colin. Some things are better left to the imagination.
You might also understand my reason for posting about banter, if I explain it.
We see here on UKPR proponents of banter as harmless fun ("Can't you take a joke?"), who take a dig at others (Scots, Germans), as dour and humourless because they don't see the joke.
I wanted to reverse those positions, to see if those same proponents of banter go in for a bit of ROFL when they're on the receiving end.
And as you've helpfully made clear, the answer is a resounding NO.
Incidentally, my joke was about the incongrousness of the idea of right-wing humour. It was a conceptual joke, and unless anywhere posting here identifies strongly as a right-wing humourist (and I'm not aware of anyone who does) it wasn't an ad hom.
Contrast that with Robert's idea of a witty riposte, which boiled down to the ad hom: "you're not half as clever as you think you are." you posted: "Crofty: I know that Robert didn’t get it... There was something delicious about the irony of someone proclaiming the merits of banter, and knocking those from elsewhere who allegedly lack a sense of humour, then displaying insufficient sense of humour to release when he was being lampooned. Q: What do you call a right wing humourist? A: An oxymoron" I took that to be directly aimed at me (ie I'm an oxymoron with particular emphasis on the latter bit) as you were replying to crofty and the quote included my name. Hence I found it insulting and replied in kind. So don't dish it out if you can't take the response and As for reversing the positions, fine, come back with a joke about Yorkshiremen in general, or Catholics. I've probably heard most of them but they are still amusing. |
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Post by barbara on Dec 21, 2021 17:09:39 GMT
Oh Wow! Fantastic! Delighted to make your acquaintance. That's a great feeling knowing there are two of us. Let's hope there are more who might reveal themselves. It can only be a good thing. Does it count if I self-identify as a woman? Of course but you'll have to give up banter! |
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Post by bantams on Dec 21, 2021 17:23:53 GMT
No restrictions before Xmas!
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Post by Old Southendian on Dec 21, 2021 17:26:53 GMT
No restrictions before Xmas! Sorry, I'm confused, does that mean banter is allowed? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 17:35:17 GMT
um ...is it just my lack of logic? Surely any restrictions worth bringing in after Christmas would (a) work a lot better now and (b) likely to be too late then?
So it's basically now or never. No point "watching the data"
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Dec 21, 2021 17:43:06 GMT
As long as this virus circulates with high incidence, there are going to be big economic and social impacts. Trying to lay these at the door of the government response is a false narritive - the disease causes the disruption, and the best way to minimise that is to reduce the disease incidence as far as is reasonably practicable. Well, the lockdown policies might cause some disruption too. E.g., how much are people avoiding work or school because scared of catching the virus and what harm it might do, versus not wanting to have to self isolate over Xmas? |
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Post by t7g4 on Dec 21, 2021 17:46:15 GMT
inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-johnson-tory-party-scandal-elected-1349406I've always found Ian Burrell an interesting political commentator and while his politics are different to mine, I find him nearly always a thought provoking read. He seems to be one of the few centre right thinkers around (maybe Parris and Oborne are others) who have never jumped on the Johnson bandwagon. Of course, there are many now jumping off it having been obedient cheerleaders for a long time (Fraser Nelson etc), but it seems to me that Burrell has always seen the dangers of Johnson and the essential venality of the man. In this article (see link above) he strikes a chord with my own thinking too. The problem isn't really Johnson, although he is proving to be a spectacularly poor PM, it's the political party that nurtured, spawned and then coronated him, and it's a fundamentally different party to the one that Burrell joined many years ago. His view is that it's the party that should be blamed for Johnson, not be pitied or even exonerated for suffering him. Johnson didn't land on us from a different planet, or appear like some genie out of the ether, he was given to us by the modern Conservative Party. Their members and MPs deemed him to be a fit and proper Prime Minister. It's perfectly possible that this party, once they've got rid of him, will saddle us with something equally as disastrous. And if we escape the Tory-centric perspective for a bit, isn't this really where Labour need to go with th narrative now, especially when you see the insouciant luxuriating within Tory ranks about how easy it will be just to shaft Johnson at the appropriate time, install a Truss/Sunak/Javid/Hunt/Mourdant and, hey presto ten more years of power is in the bag. In other words, whilst tempting, leave off the Johnson bashing (he's doing most of that himself) and start to prosecute a much wider case against modern Toryism. I think the electorate is ready to listen to it too now. Boris Johnson hasn't given any indications of resigning, so we could well see him staying on as PM for a while yet. Major, Cameron, Hague, Howard, May haven't been able to get close to the 2019 result so whatever the Conservative members were doing before failed. I don't think he will just give up and I think he will want to finish up with a bang whenever that is. Sunak will be the next leader and i hope that is next year as I think Boris authority is weak. Starmer hasn't came under any scrutiny yet because the media are going after Boris but i don't see him leading Labour in a GE. |
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Post by bantams on Dec 21, 2021 17:51:19 GMT
No restrictions before Xmas! Sorry, I'm confused, does that mean banter is allowed? Banter has always been allowed, no restrictions. Some posters on here respond better than others as some mainly just want to discuss polling!
Coming back to the Covid restrictions, the idea of nothing more before Xmas is a bit risky IMO. The behaviourists have apparently said enough has been done to curtail partying behaviour for Xmas as people don't want to chance infecting relatives but once it's out the way New Year celebrations loom and this is considered the most vulnerable time over the holiday. Expect an announcement on Boxing Day or the 27th about plans to deal with this! The sooner the better for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 17:53:30 GMT
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“If you encounter someone ticking all of those four boxes, then you're very likely to have found excellent company.”
Very nice of you to say so CB.
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Post by tancred on Dec 21, 2021 18:03:01 GMT
I'll know the sexual revolution has actually happened when it becomes commonplace for women to use that line. Did you ever try that sort of approach Tancred and if so how long was it 'til the stiches were removed? Unfortunately I never mustered up the courage! So the approach remained in my mind only. I suppose I was always too shy to be so blunt, so I resorted to the usual habit of waffling on at every date. It didn't work much until the day I met the woman who would become my wife. Personally I don't think women will ever be that bold with a man. For women sex is psychological. |
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