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Post by steve on Dec 28, 2021 11:11:46 GMT
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Good news,do you know which vaccines were tested? I couldn't find reference in the article.
The fact that the article appeared in the express might be indicative that the "world beating" az vaccine wasn't amongst them.
While this of course wouldn't rule out similar impacts with az it wouldn't really fit with the brexitanian nonsense about early implementation being down to being out with of the European union. The reality of course is that the early implementation took place using the regulatory framework that applied within the European union as we hadn't left those elements at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 11:16:12 GMT
‘Not if … but when’: Sinn Féin on path to power in Ireland www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/28/sinn-fein-on-path-to-power-irelandThis is something I have been expecting for several years and it seems that the newspapers are finally catching up on Sinn Féin's steady upward progress in the Irish Republic. It will be interesting to see what happens when they take over in Stormont, which also seems to be inevitable. Worrying how popular nationalism is all over the globe. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Dec 28, 2021 11:21:34 GMT
England now seems internationally rather out on a limb with its covid response. Chris Hopson from the NHs trusts organisation has given some reassurance that a large chunk of hospital admissions are 'incidental cases', being admitted for other reasons then being found to be positive, although other medical experts are trying to get the message across that this doesn't necessarily mean covid is not the cause of the admission, as it makes most medical conditions worse. However on the plus side, if you dont have one of those additional medical conditions, then your personal risk, or those of your loved ones similarly, is much less than average. danny But at the same time we have Sir John Bell saying that omicron is a different disease and Professor Paul Hunter saying that soon we will be treating it like the common cold: www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/28/omicron-is-not-the-same-disease-as-earlier-covid-waves-says-uk-scientistWhat is clear is that there is no definitive scientific line on it. Yes, the NHS in England might be overwhelmed with the cases from uncontrolled mixing at Christmas and New Year, or the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish governments might have locked down unnecessarily. We just don't know now; we will only know in retrospect. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 28, 2021 11:30:00 GMT
As a Full Member, I will no longer be communicating with posters who aren't of a similar or higher status.
I think this is only right in the circumstances. Unless we preserve a hierarchy of some sorts the site could become anarchic.
Mark has told me that he approves of my stance on this.
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Post by leftieliberal on Dec 28, 2021 11:31:43 GMT
‘Not if … but when’: Sinn Féin on path to power in Ireland www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/28/sinn-fein-on-path-to-power-irelandThis is something I have been expecting for several years and it seems that the newspapers are finally catching up on Sinn Féin's steady upward progress in the Irish Republic. It will be interesting to see what happens when they take over in Stormont, which also seems to be inevitable. Worrying how popular nationalism is all over the globe. Éamon de Valera, who founded Fianna Fáil, was a nationalist too, as were both the French and American Revolutionary leaders. It's not where they come from that matters, it's what they do with power when they have it. Ireland has been a very conservative country since its foundation; now we are seeing the rise of a party of the Left. |
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Post by bantams on Dec 28, 2021 11:46:36 GMT
As a Full Member, I will no longer be communicating with posters who aren't of a similar or higher status. I think this is only right in the circumstances. Unless we preserve a hierarchy of some sorts the site could become anarchic. Mark has told me that he approves of my stance on this. You could hold court over those of us who "know their place!" and hand out edicts left, right & centre thereby covering all political views. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 28, 2021 11:48:24 GMT
As a Full Member, I will no longer be communicating with posters who aren't of a similar or higher status. I think this is only right in the circumstances. Unless we preserve a hierarchy of some sorts the site could become anarchic. Mark has told me that he approves of my stance on this. I've heard it said, that sometimes the lower orders have 'interesting' ideas, especially when raised at the point of a revolutionary insurrection. However the higher orders tend to be out of touch and subject us to constant waffle. The issue is, how do we remain in this delightful position of equilibrium. Keeping schtum seems optimal. |
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Post by thexterminatingdalek on Dec 28, 2021 11:50:13 GMT
Txd While you are probably right that the legislation would have passed with Labour abstaining it would have been seized upon by the Tory party and right wing media in a way that will never happen when it's Tories voting against. You are also wrong regarding Tory support for a Labour government on crucial votes while 100+ Labour MPs and every lib dem voted against the ill advised military intervention in Iraq all bar 7 Tories voted in favour. Ok, they did it once, and were, inevitably, still on the wrong side of history. Your example doesn't exactly disapprove my point. Anyway, I'm off to enjoy the horrible weather for the rest of the day in case the site algorithm gets carried away and upgrades my status. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 28, 2021 12:08:09 GMT
As a Full Member, I will no longer be communicating with posters who aren't of a similar or higher status. I think this is only right in the circumstances. Unless we preserve a hierarchy of some sorts the site could become anarchic. Mark has told me that he approves of my stance on this. I've heard it said, that sometimes the lower orders have 'interesting' ideas, especially when raised at the point of a revolutionary insurrection. However the higher orders tend to be out of touch and subject us to constant waffle. The issue is, how do we remain in this delightful position of equilibrium. Keeping schtum seems optimal. I hear only Full Members and above get invited to the annual Christmas bash. This usually takes place at Mark's country pile in Suffolk apparently, and is attended by a VIP guest speaker too. I wasn't of the appropriate status to be invited this year and attended instead a Junior Members cheese and wine gathering at Trevor Warne's place (an excellent event Trev, by the way.) Rees- Mogg was the invited guest speaker. At Mark's big do I gather the VIP speaker was a slightly inebriated Liz Truss. Some of you may have been there, but I'm told she got a little tired and emotional and left early. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Dec 28, 2021 12:14:09 GMT
@ leftieliberal & nickp
Well 'Nationalism' is one of those terms/ideas that does not fit neatly historically into left and right. In 1848, it was very much seen as part of a progressive liberal outlook and linked to national self-determination and in opposition to the cosmopolitan Empires that politically dominated Europe. It took on a more militaristic and exclusionary connotation as the century progressed. In the c20 there are numerous cases of where initially internationalist left wing parties once in power or influenced by world events (e.g. WWI) became more nationalistic in their outlook and policies (Labour, SPD, Communist parities of the SU & PRC). In the developing world in the c20 for many countries national liberation and communism became interlinked. I think you can draw a clear distinction between chauvinistic nationalism and a more traditionally liberal form such as that adopted by the SNP in Scotland. Also people often confuse the terms patriot and nationalist - for instance I would consider myself a British patriot who relates to the cultural, scientific, social and political contributions the UK has made and equally recognise those of other nations. I do not think the UK is inherently superior.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Dec 28, 2021 12:19:17 GMT
I think Johnson is gambling on this being the last and mildest wave of Covid. Risky ... but if he gets it wrong but the losers will as always be other people. Johnson did gamble on Covid before (while trusting experts) and nearly lost his own life. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 28, 2021 12:19:44 GMT
I've heard it said, that sometimes the lower orders have 'interesting' ideas, especially when raised at the point of a revolutionary insurrection. However the higher orders tend to be out of touch and subject us to constant waffle. The issue is, how do we remain in this delightful position of equilibrium. Keeping schtum seems optimal. I hear only Full Members and above get invited to the annual Christmas bash. This usually takes place at Mark's country pile in Suffolk apparently, and is attended by a VIP guest speaker too. I wasn't of the appropriate status to be invited this year and attended instead a Junior Members cheese and wine gathering at Trevor Warne's place (an excellent event Trev, by the way.) Rees- Mogg was the invited guest speaker. At Mark's big do I gather the VIP speaker was a slightly inebriated Liz Truss. Some of you may have been there, but I'm told she got a little tired and emotional and left early. Someone said they heard her promise Danny the post of Health Minister during a rather alcohol affected discussion of why there was Covid in St Leonards in 2015. Apparently it was all down to a mysterious Chinese football supporter called 'Fu' from a major city at the end of HS2A that play in red |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Dec 28, 2021 12:21:24 GMT
I've heard it said, that sometimes the lower orders have 'interesting' ideas, especially when raised at the point of a revolutionary insurrection. However the higher orders tend to be out of touch and subject us to constant waffle. The issue is, how do we remain in this delightful position of equilibrium. Keeping schtum seems optimal. I hear only Full Members and above get invited to the annual Christmas bash. This usually takes place at Mark's country pile in Suffolk apparently, and is attended by a VIP guest speaker too. I wasn't of the appropriate status to be invited this year and attended instead a Junior Members cheese and wine gathering at Trevor Warne's place (an excellent event Trev, by the way.) Rees- Mogg was the invited guest speaker. At Mark's big do I gather the VIP speaker was a slightly inebriated Liz Truss. Some of you may have been there, but I'm told she got a little tired and emotional and left early. Ah Crossbat11, you just manged to nominate yourself for re-education when the revolution comes. After you have been through re-education you will come to realise that banter is just a means by which the patriarchy sustains its position and that cricket is an utterly pointless activity (you will be forced to watch highlights of the recent Ashes series). As for football... |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 28, 2021 12:29:11 GMT
I hear only Full Members and above get invited to the annual Christmas bash. This usually takes place at Mark's country pile in Suffolk apparently, and is attended by a VIP guest speaker too. I wasn't of the appropriate status to be invited this year and attended instead a Junior Members cheese and wine gathering at Trevor Warne's place (an excellent event Trev, by the way.) Rees- Mogg was the invited guest speaker. At Mark's big do I gather the VIP speaker was a slightly inebriated Liz Truss. Some of you may have been there, but I'm told she got a little tired and emotional and left early. Ah Crossbat11, you just manged to nominate yourself for re-education when the revolution comes. After you have been through re-education you will come to realise that banter is just a means by which the patriarchy sustains its position and that cricket is an utterly pointless activity (you will be forced to watch highlights of the recent Ashes series). As for football... The current Ashes series is an apt choice for proving how utterly pointless cricket can be, though as a counterpoint there are countless examples of sublime pointfulness, it's just that at the moment I can't see the links through floods of tears. I might add that my anguish and despair is added to by last evening's football result. |
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Post by bantams on Dec 28, 2021 12:32:51 GMT
I've heard it said, that sometimes the lower orders have 'interesting' ideas, especially when raised at the point of a revolutionary insurrection. However the higher orders tend to be out of touch and subject us to constant waffle. The issue is, how do we remain in this delightful position of equilibrium. Keeping schtum seems optimal. I hear only Full Members and above get invited to the annual Christmas bash. This usually takes place at Mark's country pile in Suffolk apparently, and is attended by a VIP guest speaker too. I wasn't of the appropriate status to be invited this year and attended instead a Junior Members cheese and wine gathering at Trevor Warne's place (an excellent event Trev, by the way.) Rees- Mogg was the invited guest speaker. At Mark's big do I gather the VIP speaker was a slightly inebriated Liz Truss. Some of you may have been there, but I'm told she got a little tired and emotional and left early. Next year, to save us from tears, it's got to be someone special! Angela Rayner? |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Dec 28, 2021 13:58:35 GMT
@ Merican
Just popped into my local waterstones as they had a sale on hardbacks - picked up The Anglo-Saxons: a History of the Beginnings of England by Marc Norris. Have you read it?
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Post by shevii on Dec 28, 2021 14:07:14 GMT
As a Full Member, I will no longer be communicating with posters who aren't of a similar or higher status. I think this is only right in the circumstances. Unless we preserve a hierarchy of some sorts the site could become anarchic. Mark has told me that he approves of my stance on this. It was painful to watch you on 99 posts with Crofty at the crease putting a straight bat to every delivery and then nicking a single off the last ball of the over. |
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Post by jimjam on Dec 28, 2021 14:07:53 GMT
Would be a major surprise if SF did not get to have the first minister after the Stormont Elections in May.
Whilst it may the the case that The Deputy FM has as much power as the FM, it would be symbolic and the FM does get to be the face og NI to foreign Governments and dignitaries.
Looks like the DUP will still have Deputy FM, although it could change in the next few months.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 14:30:39 GMT
Next year, to save us from tears, it's got to be someone special! Angela Rayner? Ah yes-the Deputy Leader. When they say Starmer "won't frighten the horses" they never mention Angela Rayner. Not if the horses are nearby. |
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Post by davwel on Dec 28, 2021 14:33:55 GMT
Once again, the radio 4 current affairs presenters are trying to raise up the image of far-right and/or populist Tories. Today on World at One, we have Jonny Dymond giving an unashamed boost for Liz Truss.
He interviews her supporters, minimises her failures in ministerial jobs, and doesn`t probe into her big changes in political opinion - from LibDem to Tory, Remainer to pro-Brexit, or dialect spoken.
When I believe most UK people disapprove of the recent Australia-UK trade deal, due to its lowering of our import standards and unfair jettisoning of our farmers` livelihoods, J.Dymond can report it as "an international job well done" [1.26 pm today].
It was IMHO arrogant of Dymond to seamlessly join most present producers in abandoning the long years of political neutrality at the BBC. He could have worded the objectionable phrase "some Brexiteers say an international job well done".
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 28, 2021 14:59:55 GMT
As a Full Member, I will no longer be communicating with posters who aren't of a similar or higher status. I think this is only right in the circumstances. Unless we preserve a hierarchy of some sorts the site could become anarchic. Mark has told me that he approves of my stance on this. It was painful to watch you on 99 posts with Crofty at the crease putting a straight bat to every delivery and then nicking a single off the last ball of the over. Ah yes, my batting partner, Crofty (no relation to the former Glamorgan and England off spinner). You will notice his lack of scoring recently and that's because, after his shameless monopoly of the strike when I was batting with him, I decided to call him for a quick single and duly ran him out. He's now sitting in the pavillion, sulking, while I score freely at the crease against, it has to be said, some pretty mediocre bowling. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 15:13:11 GMT
As a Full Member, I will no longer be communicating with posters who aren't of a similar or higher status. I think this is only right in the circumstances. Unless we preserve a hierarchy of some sorts the site could become anarchic. Mark has told me that he approves of my stance on this. As do I Batso. Sadly, with our footy teams so far apart in the Premier English (World) Footy League, I feel it best if I continue to remain aloof from you. As you know, my boys are firmly in the top four triumvirate battling for the title whereas your boys (the Viller?) are in a lower half relegation battle with Norwich City. Farewell old chum. |
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Post by graham on Dec 28, 2021 15:25:58 GMT
Once again, the radio 4 current affairs presenters are trying to raise up the image of far-right and/or populist Tories. Today on World at One, we have Jonny Dymond giving an unashamed boost for Liz Truss. He interviews her supporters, minimises her failures in ministerial jobs, and doesn`t probe into her big changes in political opinion - from LibDem to Tory, Remainer to pro-Brexit, or dialect spoken. When I believe most UK people disapprove of the recent Australia-UK trade deal, due to its lowering of our import standards and unfair jettisoning of our farmers` livelihoods, J.Dymond can report it as "an international job well done" [1.26 pm today]. It was IMHO arrogant of Dymond to seamlessly join most present producers in abandoning the long years of political neutrality at the BBC. He could have worded the objectionable phrase "some Brexiteers say an international job well done". Truss is MP for NorfolkSW - and has often been referred to locally as 'the Tory Trollop' in view of her extramarital activities! |
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 28, 2021 15:29:30 GMT
Mark - I'd like to register an official complaint about a fellow poster. As far as I am aware, this site is dedicated to the non-partisan discussion of political opinion polls, yet a poster by the name of "Crofty" keeps posting partisan drivel about football.
I'd be very grateful if, as you suggested you would when we spoke off line yesterday, you could now ban him indefinitely. Enough is enough now.
Thanks in anticipation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 15:39:21 GMT
Looks like AW's "cesspit" has just seeped under the door.  I can picture his knowing smile. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 15:45:17 GMT
Looks like AW's "cesspit" has just seeped under the door. What a remarkably nasty person you are. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 28, 2021 15:46:23 GMT
Looks like AW's "cesspit" has just seeped under the door. I can picture his knowing smile. I know you don't like football, but that's a bit harsh, isn't it??? |
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Post by paulnish on Dec 28, 2021 15:49:01 GMT
Looks like AW's "cesspit" has just seeped under the door. I can picture his knowing smile. I am not a senior member, but could I respectfully inform Colin that the Crossbat was making a joke?? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 15:52:52 GMT
Paul: He doesn’t do “jokes”.
(Unless snide insults count.)
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Post by hireton on Dec 28, 2021 15:58:44 GMT
Would be a major surprise if SF did not get to have the first minister after the Stormont Elections in May. Whilst it may the the case that The Deputy FM has as much power as the FM, it would be symbolic and the FM does get to be the face og NI to foreign Governments and dignitaries. Looks like the DUP will still have Deputy FM, although it could change in the next few months. @jimjam May 2022 is quite an electoral feast. In addition to the NI Assembly elections, there are: Scotland - elections for all seats in all 32 single tier local authorities ( the main outcome of the elections in 2017 was that the Tories gained seats at the expense of Labour) England - the byzantine nature of local government in England makes a quick summary quite difficult but as I understand it there are elections for all seats in the London boroughs and elections for proportions of seats in a range of metropolitan boroughs, district councils and unitary authorities (plus elections in three county council areas which are becoming unitary authorities). Wikipedia suggests that Labour did well in the London elections last time round and elsewhere the Tories gained at the expense of UKIP. Wales - elections for all seats in all 22 local authorities ( with some new boundaries, a wider franchise and the option for local authorities to use STV rather than FPTP). (Labour seemed to have performed rather poorly last time round) Tory backbench murmuring was that the "local elections in May" would be a key test for Johnson and looking at the point we are at in the electoral cycle and the results last time it looks like getting a "good" result for Johnson will be difficult although presumably the results in England will be the most critical for him. This wiki article is a good summary of the elections (although it should be called GB local elections and Northern Ireland Assembly election) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_Kingdom_local_elections |
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