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Post by James E on Sept 29, 2022 19:27:41 GMT
I find it hard to believe that the Lib Dems are polling so low.. I'm sure in Surrey at least they will be the beneficiaries of the Tory implosion. Meanwhile, YouGov's cross breaks show just 2% of Con2019 voters switching to the LibDems, and over 50% of 2019 LibDems switching to Labour. iI find it hard to believe that the pattern would be totally different in Surrey. Besides, YouGov's regional cross breaks again show the Con>Lab swing as being largest in the South. Their South of England figures are Con 25%, Lab 52%, LD 9%. That's a Con>Lab 30% swing compared to GE2019. The LDs managed 17% across the 3 southern regions at GE2019, so appear to be well down, despite the Tories' implosion. The other thing that really strikes me with YouGov's figures is that Labour's support is now shown at 54% with both ABC1 and C2DE voters. The movement in this poll compared to their last one (or indeed those for the past few months) is far larger with C2DE voters.
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Post by James E on Sept 29, 2022 9:38:53 GMT
I see that an MRP poll by Comres is suggesting 9 labour gains from SNP. It's a few days old, and I think was discussed here previously. labourlist.org/2022/09/exclusive-labour-on-track-for-56-seat-majority-with-12-point-lead-over-tories/Rather confusingly, the report states that "The model indicates that the SNP would secure 48 seats (+4), the Lib Dems 15 (+1), Plaid Cymru three (+-) and the Greens one (+-)." However, the SNP won 48 seats in 2019, so it's hard to see where Lab could gain as many as 9 from them, even if the Tories lose all 6 of their Scottish seats to the SNP. Also, it does not seem crebible that the LDs would gain only 1 seat with the Tory vote share falling to 33%.
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Post by James E on Sept 28, 2022 21:45:56 GMT
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Post by James E on Sept 28, 2022 21:03:09 GMT
It's interesting to try to work out which seats would actually change hands. Firstly note that Plaid and the Greens hold their current seats, while SNP make a net gain of 3. Beacuse of this, the most probable figures for Scotland would be Lab 4, LD 4, Con 0, with the SNP taking all the other 51. This means just 3 Lab gains from the SNP, who offset this by gaining all 6 of the Tories' current Scottish seats. This in turn means that, to achieve those 178 extra seats, the Lab gains in England and Wales would need to go on down to number 210 of their target list (below). This is Reigate where a swing of 17.22% would be needed. And Runnymede and Weybridge would fall too at 17.14%. It's noteable that these seats require larger swings than the 15% swing implied by a Lab lead of 17%. Perhaps something of a 'winner's bonus' after all? My expectation had been for Labour to underperform soewhat in turning votes to seats, as their vote has become increasingly inefficiently spread in the past 3 General Elections. www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labourIt was an MRP rather than a straight swing calculation, so presumably based on some of the demographic factors. Indeed - I was just trying to work out how far down the target list '178 Lab gains' would be if you factor in that the MRP figures show no gains from PC or the Greens and probably only 3 from the SNP. The South of England seats that I have mentioned fit with other polling evidence of larger swings in the South and Midlands of England and with ABC1 (as opposed to C2DE) voters. johntel I was trying to work out what the MRP seat figures actually meant rather than making my own prediction. They show just 10 LibDem gains, so looking at their targets, I think this would probaly take them to number 13 (St Ives on a 4% swing), but missing the top 3 seats on their list to Lab and the SNP. Reigate is number 72 on the LDs' target list. www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat
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Post by James E on Sept 28, 2022 20:14:22 GMT
In seats, the Channel 4/ Find Out Now MRP predicts: LAB: 380 (+178) CON: 174 (-191) SNP: 51 (+3) LDM: 21 (+10) PLC: 4 (=) GRN: 1 (=) Labour Majority of 110. It's interesting to try to work out which seats would actually change hands. Firstly note that Plaid and the Greens hold their current seats, while SNP make a net gain of 3. Beacuse of this, the most probable figures for Scotland would be Lab 4, LD 4, Con 0, with the SNP taking all the other 51. This means just 3 Lab gains from the SNP, who offset this by gaining all 6 of the Tories' current Scottish seats. This in turn means that, to achieve those 178 extra seats, the Lab gains in England and Wales would need to go on down to number 210 of their target list (below). This is Reigate where a swing of 17.22% would be needed. And Runnymede and Weybridge would fall too at 17.14% - as would places such as Huntingdon, Woking Isle of Wight, Devon Central and both Southend seats. It's noteable that many of these seats require larger swings than the 15% swing implied by a Lab lead of 17%. Perhaps something of a 'winner's bonus' after all? My expectation had been for Labour to underperform soewhat in turning votes to seats, as their vote has become increasingly inefficiently spread in the past 3 General Elections. www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labour
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Post by James E on Sept 27, 2022 16:37:29 GMT
YouGov's tables (for the L45/C28 poll) are up now - not sure if they've been posted before. docs.cdn.yougov.com/mkyov3djhi/TheTimes_VI_Budget_220926_W.pdfAll the usual patterns seem to be there (only more so): huge swings in the Midlands and South of England, a little less so in the North ('only' a 13% swing on GE2019) and as rightly pointed out by Old Nat, very high numbers of Con2019 voters answering 'Don't Know'. A 50% reversion of those would claw back about 4-5 points of the Lab lead. The other thing which keeps happening with YouGov's polls is the much higher swing with ABC1 voters than C2DE. Lab lead by 22 points with the former, and just 6 with the latter. If this, and the regional swings are to be believed, we would see seats such as Huntingdon, and even Runnymede and Weybridge becoming viable Labour targets.
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Post by James E on Sept 26, 2022 18:49:35 GMT
A fun cross-break from today's R&W - for South-West England (n=130) Con 27% (-26) Lab 45% (+22) LibDem 19% ( 0 ) Green 8% (+4) (comparisons to GE2019) Obviously implausible, but it's far from the first time that R&W's (rather volatile) cross-breaks have shown Lab ahead in SW England. A few days later and R&W's latest South West England cross-break shows..... another 18 point Lab Lead ! Today's is Con 28, Lab 46. Again, small samples, etc, but this is the 9th of the last 11 R&W polls to show a Lab lead in SW England (from 30 points behind at GE2019). Their average over Aug and Sept (11 polls) is now a 7 point Labour lead for the South West region.
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Post by James E on Sept 25, 2022 19:54:36 GMT
Using UNS (so a 9.5% swing), the Tories would narrowly hold Monmouth, but lose all their other Welsh seats. Wales has a very high concentraion of narrowly Tory-held marginals. There are 8 Welsh seats which Labour would take on a 3.5% swing, comparied to just 5 for the entire South oF England (London + East+ SE+SWEngland). www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labourOn the MRP today there were a lot more than 5 seats falling the the South of England. My personal favorite (even above 'Boris') was Steve Baker losing Wycombe. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke. My point was that Wales has a lot of 'low hanging fruit' for Labour - seats that coud be gained on a small swing of 3.5% - comapred to the South of England. But Wycombe requires only slightly more than that and has been trending to Labour fast in recent years (2019 Lab vote was 37% compared to 17% in 2010).
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Post by James E on Sept 25, 2022 18:16:00 GMT
Welsh VI poll: Welsh Westminster voting intention: LAB: 46% (+5) CON: 23% (-3) PC: 15% (-1) LDEM: 5% (-2) REF: 5% (+1) GRN: 3% (-1) via @yougov , 20 - 22 Sep Chgs. w/ Jun Tory free state beckons on those figures. Using UNS (so a 9.5% swing), the Tories would narrowly hold Monmouth, but lose all their other Welsh seats. Wales has a very high concentraion of narrowly Tory-held marginals. There are 8 Welsh seats which Labour would take on a 3.5% swing, comparied to just 5 for the entire South oF England (London + East+ SE+SWEngland). www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labour
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Post by James E on Sept 25, 2022 16:49:21 GMT
Welsh VI poll: Welsh Westminster voting intention: LAB: 46% (+5) CON: 23% (-3) PC: 15% (-1) LDEM: 5% (-2) REF: 5% (+1) GRN: 3% (-1) via @yougov , 20 - 22 Sep Chgs. w/ Jun Many thanks for that. Comparisons to GE2019 are as follows: LAB: 46% (+6) CON: 23% (-13) PC: 15% (+5) LDEM: 5% (-1) REF/BXP: 5% (0 ) GRN: 3% (+2) Swing Con>Lab 9.5%. This is almost in line with the 10% C>L swing in the ost recent YouGov GB poll, and encouraging as there is a significant concentration of Con/Lab marginals in Wales. Previous Welsh Westminster polls showed swings several point lower than YG's GB polls taken around the same time. One further point - YouGov's cross breaks show high swings (16%ish) for both the 'South of England' (SE+SW+E) and 'Midlands/Wales'. It seems reasonable to conclude that the latter is very much caused by the English Midlands, which must be around 85% of the area by population. So it isn't just the South where Labour seem to be doing well, but the English Midlands, too.
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Post by James E on Sept 24, 2022 14:04:56 GMT
A fun cross-break from today's R&W - for South-West England (n=130) Con 27% (-26) Lab 45% (+22) LibDem 19% ( 0 ) Green 8% (+4) (comparisons to GE2019) Obviously implausible, but it's far from the first time that R&W's (rather volatile) cross-breaks have shown Lab ahead in SW England. That would be hilarious viewing on election night. "Were you still up for Liam Fox?" I've had another look at those R&W cross-breaks for South West England, and this really isn't as unusual (for them) as I had thought. Having checked all ten R&W polls since the start of August, 8 of them have shown Labour ahead, albeit often narrowly, and on samples of around 100-150. The South-West average across all 10 R&W polls since the start of August is Con 33%, Lab 38%, which would be a 17-18 point swing on GE2019 ( where the South West voted Con 53, Lab 23). For comparison, YouGov's last 5 polls show a 16-point C>L swing across the combined South of England regions (SE+SW+E).
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Post by James E on Sept 23, 2022 17:24:54 GMT
A fun cross-break from today's R&W - for South-West England (n=130)
Con 27% (-26) Lab 45% (+22) LibDem 19% ( 0 ) Green 8% (+4) (comparisons to GE2019)
Obviously implausible, but it's far from the first time that R&W's (rather volatile) cross-breaks have shown Lab ahead in SW England.
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Post by James E on Sept 23, 2022 10:02:14 GMT
Today's YouGov again shows a huge swing in the South of England sub sample (of 584 voters), with Con 36, Lab 37, compared to Con 55, Lab 23 at GE2109. And this is right in line with the other 4 polls they have done over the past month. Their 5-poll averages for the South are:
Con 36% (-19) Lab 36% (+13) LD 14% (0) Green 8% (+6) Ref 4%
Comparisons are to GE2019. And in an actual election, Labour may be able to squeeze more from the Green VI than the Tories can from RefUK.
The other trend that I'd highlight is that YouGov show a larger Con>Lab swing with ABC1 voters (13%) than C2DE (10%). This is not ideal for Labour as most of the English and Welsh marginals are working class towns. However, it probably spell 'double trouble' for the Tories in places such as Bournemouth.
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Post by James E on Sept 22, 2022 16:47:37 GMT
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Post by James E on Sept 22, 2022 16:27:16 GMT
Both Bournemouth seats, 3 out of the 6 Cornish seats, South Thanet (Brexit central), Colchester, Hexham, and is that Southend West (once of the late David Amess) all going Labour?! In your/my dreams! I think someone once said that sort of thing about Canterbury in response to a Dr Mibbles post: I am no longer certain of anything. Having kept an eye on the geographical cross-breaks, those Southern Labour gains do look consistent with the polls. YouGov have had the Tories and Labour close to level in the South of England across their past 5 polls, whereas at GE2019 the Tories had a 32 point lead. So that would be a 16 point swing. And it's a similar position in the English Midlands, although the impled swing in the North of England is much in line with the GB average. Conversely, Labour appear to be making less progress in Wales and in London (the latter partly because they are already so dominant), and little to no progress in Scotland. To Add: One other trend to bear in mind: YouGov's cross-breaks show Labour making more progress in the ABC1 half of their sample than with the C2DEs - although they lead in both. Because of this, Id' see the likes of Colchester, Hexham and the Bournemouth seats as more likely gains than South Thanet.
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Post by James E on Sept 13, 2022 14:57:35 GMT
Anent childhood sweets. I seem to recall that a joint sweet/toy shop in Ruislip Manor (the long way round to home from school) used to stock Jamboree Bags which I loved. And whatever happened to Mint Cracknell? nostalgiacentral.com/pop-culture/food-drink/mint-cracknel/"Chocolate covered shards of mint-flavoured car windshield."
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Post by James E on Sept 12, 2022 19:17:34 GMT
I am a bit suspicious of Savanta ComRes's poll, as it included a number of questions regarding whether respondents supported the Government's Enengy Price Freeze, and other very leading questions. These are highlighted in the Daily Mail report which was linked here this afternoon.
If these questions followed after the Voting Intention question then that's no problem. However, if they came before it, this would be bound to boost the apparent support for the tories. ComRes have yet to publish their tables and questions, so there is no way of telling at present whether this is genuine bounce or just a push-poll.
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Post by James E on Jun 27, 2022 14:49:46 GMT
jayblancGiven the very low level of support in NIreland for unilateral UK action, I think it's clear that half or more of Unionists (in the broad sense) favour a negotiated EU-UK settlement.
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Post by James E on Jun 24, 2022 12:57:16 GMT
Am I missing something? Last night's results look pretty bad for Labour to me. I see lots of L to LD, but very little the other way. Yes, you are. Maybe you didn't look at the Wakefield result in detail, but this is where there appears to have been LD>Lab movement. Despite the LDs recently polling above their GE2019 level, their vote share was reduced from 3.9% to 1.8%. They finished in 7th place. And this is in a constituency which had been a known Con/Lab marginal in 2019, so the LD vote was already squeezed. Obviously, this did not contribute much to the Labour majority, as the absolute numbers are so low, but it follows the pattern of other by -elections, such as Sidcup and Old Bexley where the LD vote is strongly squeezed ( to less than half of GE2019 levels) where Labour are challenging the Tories.
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Post by James E on Jun 24, 2022 7:07:19 GMT
The scale of the LibDems' win in T&H suggests to me that they might just hold it at a General Election.
As a rule of thumb, previous big LibDem by-election wins have swung back to the Tories at a GE by a 5-10% swing (and sometimes more). Their 15% by-election majority puts the seat right in the middle of that range.
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Post by James E on Jun 22, 2022 9:58:35 GMT
jib They are statistics on transport use, not 'assumptions'. There is no reason why Covid should affect the relative use of different modes of transport in the medium to longer term Not sure about that James E - how much of that growth was directly related to work travel and commuting? ... Travel to work is the most common form of rail usage, so of course much of the growth must indeed be work travel. But if you look at the extent of that growth - a doubling of passenger numbers from 30 years ago, and an increase from 5% to 10% (in miles travelled) for rail as a mode of transport, it is clear that we have seen a change in public behaviour and transport choices. I guess that it is possible that WFH will disproportionately affect rail usage - as longer commutes are more commonly done by rail, but we await confirmation of this. I would expect that ongoing high fuel prices would affect car commuting just as much.
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Post by James E on Jun 22, 2022 9:46:27 GMT
Very glad Mr E to see you have finally retunred from yr long holiday and in such good & temperate form. Where did you go: the Slough of Despondency. Many thanks, Robbie. I have indeed avoided posting for much of the past 4 months, simply because I don't know a lot about military matters, and find war really depressing (not that I object to others discussing it). I think one or two others (Old Nat?) have felt the same.
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Post by James E on Jun 21, 2022 21:22:36 GMT
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Post by James E on Jun 21, 2022 20:55:50 GMT
jibThey are statistics on transport use, not 'assumptions'. There is no reason why Covid should affect the relative use of different modes of transport in the medium to longer term
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Post by James E on Jun 21, 2022 20:38:26 GMT
Yes, the railways have been booming in the UK over the past few decades. Rail is effective for some passenger and freight transport but is highly unlikely to ever be anything other than a minor part of overall transport provision. Rail makes up about 10% of all passenger miles in the UK, whereas Cars make up around 75%. I'd say that is more than a 'minor' part of transport provision, as it is unclear how we could manage without it, especially for longer distance journeys and urban transport. It's interesting to note that the proportion of overall passenger transport done by rail is continuing to grow, whereas other forms of transport (such as bus and car) are declining. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/942425/rail-factsheet-2020.pdf
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Post by James E on Jun 21, 2022 17:08:27 GMT
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Post by James E on Jun 21, 2022 16:54:05 GMT
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Post by James E on Jun 21, 2022 15:38:31 GMT
And yet against this background government spends 5 to 6 times as much on rail infrastructure as on roads. Why? According to this, the relative levels of road and rail expenditure are much closer to level www.statista.com/topics/5295/transport-expenditure-in-the-uk/#dossierContents__outerWrapper"Public sector spending on transportation was highest for the railway sector, which accounted for 55 percent of all such expenditure in 2017/18. By comparison, spending on local and national roads made up a combined 32 percent."
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Post by James E on May 13, 2022 11:28:55 GMT
The 1 point always looked a bit like an outlier and the Green down 2 puts to bed my theory in the last thread about having just voted in local elections having some sway on what you might put down on a poll at the same time, although I guess my theory can hold in that a week has passed so respondents might go back to thinking about General elections. My anecdotal observation is that YouGov seem more prone to these random movements up and down than other pollsters (hence my prediction that the 1% lead would revert back in their next poll, which it has). Assuming my memory is not paying tricks, is there something in their methodology that would account for it, or is it just 'noise'? I don't think that there is any doubt that YouGov's headline figures are more volatile than those of other pollsters - and have been for many years. I did once find an old Anthony Wells article which explained this, but can't lay my hands on it at the moment. One important feature of their polls is that they do not ask a 'likelyhood to vote' question as several other pollsters do. But they also have the highest proportion of any pollster of respondents who state that they 'would not vote'. Incidentlly, Techne continue to be the opposite with figures that seem to be constantly stuck in the same narrow range.
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Post by James E on Apr 24, 2022 12:11:28 GMT
CB, Opinium say they are basing on a push question which asks people who voted in 2019 but now say they don't know or won't vote what they would vote if they did. Trouble is they have never released this push poll data and actual released date from R&W contradicts Opiniums assertion significantly. Either they are lazily misrepresenting, using out of date survey data or the R&W results are inaccurate but until they deign to release we will never know. I suspect they made a lazy assumption and made up the push poll stuff to cover but can't admit for obvious reasons. That's a little different from my understanding of what Opinium are doing: I thought that they were (in effect) discounting the 'Don't Know' and 'Won't Vote' responses, and then weighting the resonses they do get to past voting patterns. It has occurred to me that this may have had the effect of dampening the volaility in their figures, becasue it makes very little difference whether a 2019 Voters for any particular party says thet they will stick with the same part or that the don't know. I haven't read their explanation of the new methodology for a few weeks, and would appreciate any quotes from Opinium that might clarify this.
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