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Post by James E on Aug 5, 2023 21:17:48 GMT
mercian Now compare him to Jacob rees-mogg. Because of his religious beliefs he thinks gay marriage is fundamentally wrong. He also thinks abortion is wrong in all circumstances, even in the case of rape Out of those two which one is the religious fundamentalist whose beliefs doesn't fit in with UK Culture? Re Rees-Mogg, I think on the gay marriage thing it's difficult to say he's out of step with UK culture (as opposed to the law) because it's such a recent thing. I'm not sure if there have been opinion polls on it. Anyway of course we can look at particular individuals and find anomalies but I was trying to make a general point about the way society is going. Anyway I think it's been done to death now for a while anyway. Unless of course I'm yet to encounter something downthread which deserves an answer. There has been recent polling on Gay Marriage .This was done just last month for the 10th anniversary of the vote in 2013, and shows 78% of Britons now support it, while only 14% now oppose it. The net majority in favour has widened steadily over the past decade from 18% in 2013 (54 to 36) to an overwhelming 64% now. yougov.co.uk/topics/society/articles-reports/2023/07/03/record-number-britons-support-same-sex-marriage-10
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Post by James E on Aug 5, 2023 21:06:46 GMT
Stats for Lefties 🏳️⚧️ @leftiestats · 10m 🗳️ Labour leads falls to 14pts (-3) 🔴 LAB 40% (-2) 🔵 CON 26% (+1) 🟠 LD 10% (-1) 🟣 REF 10% (-) 🟢 GRN 7% (+1) 🟡 SNP 3% (-) Lowest % for Lab (40%) in any poll since September 2022. See follow-up tweet for seat estimate! Via @opiniumresearch , 2-4 Aug (+/- vs 19-21 July) The unadjusted figures for this would be Lab 44%, Con 25%, and a lead of 19 points - so much like other recent polls. ( or Lab 32, Con 18, LD 7, Grn 5, Ref 7, SNP 2;and Don't know or won't vote 27%)
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Post by James E on Aug 5, 2023 17:24:36 GMT
I was about to make the selfsame observation that Miss Knobhead shared the late Queen Mum's birthdate, but you certainly deserve the usual £5. I heard last night he might even be gone before the first game of the season next week. I'm guessing that this is about West Ham manager David Moyes, as opposed to the late Queen Mother and/or Alec's creation 'Miss Knobhead'? Is there any connection between them, Dave?
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Post by James E on Aug 4, 2023 16:09:49 GMT
Thinking about polling and the lib-dems In the 18 months in the run up to the 2010 General election the lib-dems were polling in the high teens. A few months before the election in the low 20's At the current time they are polling around 10-12% Is there such a thing as shy lib-dems? I would expect from election results for them to be doing significantly better I don't think there is much history of polling from immediately prior to a General Election understating the LibDems. The polls have generally been fairly accurate for them, although of course their overall share vote is a poor guide to the number of seats they take, as this depends on how they perform relative to the Conseratives. But there is a fairly consistent pattern of the LibDems improving their share of the vote when we get to an General Election. To test this, I've made a comparison of the actual LD vote share to their average polling figure from 12 months earlier (so Dec 2018 for GE 2019, for example). The comparative figures are: GE2019 11.8% v 9% in polls 12 months before ( +2.8) GE2017 7.6% v 7.1% in polls 12 months before (+0.5) GE2015 8.1% v 8.7% in polls 12 months before (-0.6) GE2010 22.7% v 19% in polls 12 monthss before (+4.6) GE2005 22.7% v 21% in polls 12 months before (+1.7) GE2001 18.3% v 15.4% in polls 12 months before (+2.9) GE1997 16.8% v 16% in polls 12 months before (+0.8) GE1992 18.3% v 14.4% in polls 12 months before (+3.9) Quite variable results, but the range is from 'no improvement' to around 4% higher, at best; and the average is a 2% higher vote share than in the polls from a year earlier.
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Post by James E on Aug 4, 2023 12:03:19 GMT
Techne UK @techneuk · 12m NEW POLL: Labour lead by 20 points: Lab 46% (+1) Con 26% (+1) Lib Dem 10% (nc) Reform 7% (-1) Green 5% (-1) SNP 3% (nc) Others 3% 1,621 questioned on 2-3 Aug +/- 26-27 Jul. Data - technetracker.co.ukTechne's polls seem to always turn out uncannily close to the overall polling average. Since the trio of by-elections on 20 July, those averages have been Con 26%, Lab 46%, LD 11%, almost exactly the same as in the 10 days before then. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
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Post by James E on Aug 3, 2023 10:52:39 GMT
Outer London has poor public transport compared with Inner London, which is why Outer Londoners are much more dependent on their cars. I lived in Outer East London (Redbridge) for many years without needing a car, which made me wonder whether the West side of London is less well served. Looking at the Uxbridge and South Ruislip constituency, it is served by Seven tube stations, over three different lines: I think these are Uxbridge, Hillingdon, South Ruislip, Ruislip Gardens, West Ruislip, Ruislip and Ruislip Manor, which leads me to think that Ruislip in particular is rather well-served for public transport . An eighth station, West Drayton Overground, is on the constituency's southern boundary. [ A few other stats for anyone who is interested: there is a significant proportion of households in Outer London which have no car (31%). This contrasts to only 16% in the neighbouring SE England region. And a slightly higher number of those who live in outer London (32%) say that they are able to live 'car-free', compared to 50% in Inner London. ] centreforlondon.org/blog/car-ownership-census/
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Post by James E on Aug 2, 2023 20:37:03 GMT
One point we have not covered is the percentage lead Labour would need to get to 326 seats and an overall majority in the HoC. One oft-quoted figure is 12%, by applying UNS to the GE2019 results. But historically, this is a very variable figure. Back in 2005 when Labour last won, the electoral geography of Britain was so favourable to them that they could have had a tiny majority, even if behind in the overall vote. Since then, this has shifted hugely in the Tories' favour, and the rise of the SNP in Scotland is really only a small part of this - Labour need to achieve a couple of points more in GB 'swing' to make up for no longer being dominant in Scotland. The main reason is that the Conservatives overperformed greatly in the battleground seats, especially in 2015 and 2019.
The previous post-General Election target-leads (per UNS) for a Labour majority are: 2005 -1% 2010 2% 2015 9% 2017 7% 2019 12%
I'd expect this to fall very significantly, if current polling trends are borne out. To acknowledge the views of proper psephologists, we have had Peter Keller saying he now thinks a lead of 8-10% will be needed, John Curtice estimating that around a 7% Lab lead would be enough, and Professor Richard Rose on Electoral Calculus saying that the required Labour lead is around 5%. Electoral Calculus itself shows Labour getting just over the line at around 4.5%, and if a hefty dose of Tactical Voting is applied, this can fall to around 2.5%. I tend to agree with Prof Rose.
Polls currently average around a 19-20% Lab lead, but with the high number of Con2019 voters answering "Don't Know", the 'underlying' lead is more like 15%. I'd expect some further Tory recovery (especially from Reform UK) so would expect the actual result to be around Lab 42%, Con 33%. This might produce a majority of around 80-100.
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Post by James E on Aug 1, 2023 21:14:36 GMT
I have a suspicion that this Scottish by election may end up being the most significant one of this parliament. More for the narrative it is likely to create, should Labour win, than the actual numbers. Uxbridge & Ruislip is currently the most significant result, as it has launched the Conservatives into an orgy of climate destruction, because they think that's what it means (even though the ULEZ was actually about particulate emissions, not global warming) but I think Rutherglen may lead to a media narrative of Labour returning as a UK wide force, and this will make it harder for any reprise of the coalition of chaos attack lines from the blues. Looking at the polls from before and after the Uxbridge & South Ruislip (plus 2 others) by-elections on 20 July, the actual impact seems to have been close to zero. The 11 polls since 20 July show an average Labour lead of 19.4%, whereas the 11 from 9-20 July showed a 19.2% lead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_electionI think there's a fair chance that Rutherglen will also have no polling effect.
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Post by James E on Aug 1, 2023 20:31:07 GMT
Current Odds from most bookies are: Lab Majority 1/2 On (or shorter) Hung Parliament 5/2 Con Majority 8/1 www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/overall-majorityRe the polling figures from R&W which you have quoted above: I doubt whether many people even know where current GE polling stands, let alone the likely level of lead which Labour (or the Tories) need to achieve an overall majority. The latter question is a matter of some dispute among psephologists.
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Post by James E on Aug 1, 2023 18:00:00 GMT
Not as weird as the act of making such announcements during a church service. It will only happen if a particular lady is in the chair - someone who is happy to transfer her own obsessions to the congregation as a whole. It's terrible when someone bangs on endlessly about their own obsessions, isn't it....
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Post by James E on Aug 1, 2023 14:34:13 GMT
Well done Lionesses. Looking at the knock out rounds if I have this right, it looks like England could have a quarter final at 2am on a Friday? Don't quite understand this one as presumably it's still Friday in Australia just 12 hours or so ahead so not like they can be playing in the afternoon because it is a weekend? May I ask why we are having a Women's World Cup competition just two years after the last one in 2021? The last Women's football World Cup was in 2019. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Cup[To add - The competition 'won by England in 2021' was Euro 2022 (postponsed by one year due to the pandemic). The final was played on a Sunday - as were all men's World Cup and European Championship finals from 1970 onwards. ] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Women%27s_Euro_2022
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Post by James E on Jul 30, 2023 20:44:54 GMT
Something for those who buy the the polling figures of Labour doing well in rural areas: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/30/tory-support-collapse-rural-voters-politically-homelessI am a sceptic on this, party because even if it is true I think Labour lack the organisation on the ground to exploit the opportunity. I suspect a lot of these votes will end up going Lib Dem and perhaps, in some areas, Green. I wonder if the best chance of a Green gain might turn out not to be in Bristol or Norwich but is some rural area no one has spotted but where the Greens are doing well at local level - Mid Suffolk or West Gloucestershire perhaps? Starmer's reaction to this news was probably:- Oooh aaah. This poll is now very old news. The fieldwork by Survation was in April, but the 'CLA' did not release it until late May. We discussed it here on UKPR2 on 28 May. Survation's figures still show the Tories 5% ahead (41/36), so 'Labour doing well' is on a comparative basis. The swing of 17% compared to GE2019 was 3 points higher than Survation's nearest full GE poll. This is despite the Tories retaining a slightly higher percentage share of their (large) GE2019 vote in these rural seats. And of course, Labour's lack of local organisation in rural areas is nothing new. It will have been a factor at previous elections, so this should not affect the relative result - which is what a 'higher than average' swing is.
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Post by James E on Jul 29, 2023 12:25:17 GMT
Polling from the Times: Most Labour voters motivated by ‘hostility towards government’ “ About 75 per cent of those switching from the Tories to Labour say their main motivation is unhappiness with the government rather than enthusiasm for opposition plans....Labour has a 20-point poll lead but the dramatic shift towards the party in recent months appears to be a consequence of hostility towards the government at a time of rising prices, higher mortgage payments and economic uncertainty.[etc] What 'dramatic shift' is that? Labour have been consistently averaging 45-47% in the polls throughout the past 6 months. The Tories average VI is much the same now as it was in early February, too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_electionAnd it is entirely normal for voters to be more motivated more by hostility towards a party or parties they oppose than out of liking for those they vote for. See for example this article from YouGov in 2018 with negative net-favourability for all three of Con ( -19), Lab ( -14), and LDs ( -23) (Polls at the time were around Con 38, Lab 38, LD 9 ). Unsurprisingly, Labour voters then held a more negative view of the Tories than a positive view of the Labour Party. yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/11/greens-are-britains-most-liked-party
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Post by James E on Jul 28, 2023 9:50:08 GMT
Latest Savanta but still 5 days old. NEW Westminster Voting Intention 📈19pt Labour lead - largest since Feb 🌹Lab 47 (+1) 🌳Con 28 (=) 🔶LD 10 (-1) ➡️Reform 4 (-1) 🌍Green 3 (=) 🎗️SNP 3 (=) ⬜️Other 5 (+1) 2,240 UK adults, 21-23 July [Savanta don't prompt for Green or Reform, hence lower figures for them than most other pollsters]
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Post by James E on Jul 26, 2023 23:13:48 GMT
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Post by James E on Jul 26, 2023 14:46:08 GMT
MODEL RESULT LATEST: @uklabour WIN LAB: 364 (+162) CON: 189 (-176) LIB: 29 (+18) [Uniform National Swing] pollingreport.ukI think the support for Labour will reduce closer to an election. The polls are almost certain to narrow closer to an election, but it is also highly likely that Uniform National Swing will not be a good model for seats won. All pollsters' figures show larger than average Con to Lab swings wherever the Tories have larger support. So we have all the regional cross-breaks for the South and Midlands of England showing larger Con to Lab swings, and Leave voters swinging far more than Remainers (among whom Labour already had a large lead). Then there are samples such as R&W's regular 'Blue Wall', and recently their 'Red Wall' which show higher swings than their general GB figures in seats which the Tories hold. We've even had rural voters swinging 18% to Labour per Survation, compared to around 14-15% in their full GB polls. Conversely, the Conservatives are seeing lower swings against them in London and in Scotland. This is why pollingreport's UNS shows 'only' around an 80-seat majority despite being based on polls with Labour close to 20% ahead. Electoral Calculus shows a similar majority in the event of an 8% Lab-lead, with tactical voting.
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Post by James E on Jul 26, 2023 9:25:39 GMT
RE: Uxbridge I just wondered whether the "almost full bottle effect" was in play? In London, as I understand it, Labour receive a great deal of support, i.e. it's a very a Laboury population. It would seem intuitive that, in such circumstances, they are fishing in an increasingly low stocked pond (forgive the mixed metaphor) for votes that aren't currently theirs. Is this a possible explanation for why swing would be lower in such areas than elsewhere? I am sure one of the more accomplished psephologists will explain why I am wrong. Maybe it's like applying household economics to the national economy where intuition is a poor guide to reality. It's clear from most London polling and cross-breaks that the general swing is lower. For example, the most recent London poll from Survation shows Lab 53% (+5), Con 23% (-9). So a 7-point swing at a time when full GB polls are showing a 15-point swing. Having said that, I'd expect this to be largely a reflection of the safe Labour seats, where there might only have been a 20% Conservative vote left, even at GE2019. If the effect applies across London, then this makes R&W's 'Blue Wall' findings all the more remarkable, as 10 of the 42 seats they are polling for that are in Greater London.
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Post by James E on Jul 26, 2023 8:40:28 GMT
There has of course also been grade inflation, but students at prestigious universities are generally brighter today, and the larger amount of course work enforces more diligence, and flattens the difference between students. Only 5% of the people on my course got Firsts. My friend at a Poly wasn't aware of anyone who got a First. The modal award was a 2:2. Has there ever been any objective attempt to establish whether "Grade Inflation" has really happened in relation to Degree levels, A-Levels or GCSEs/'O'Levels? It's often cited as if it were a fact, purely on the basis of more pupils achieving higher grades. However, I have never heard of any study objectively comparing the actual work or exam papers of 20-40 years ago with those of today. When challenged, the stock response is often just a litttle anecdotal tale of generous marking or simply to claim it is self-evident from results. My own experience of seeing lessons in my local Primary School over the past 15-20 years always leads me to reflect that the teaching and learning going on is far better than I experienced in the 1970s. It is clear to me that today's 11 year olds (and those of the past 15 years) are better educated than my generation was at the same age. And after decades of working on a 'School Improvemnet Plan', I find it bizarre to hear claims that any actual improvements are really the result of more generous marking rather than better teaching and a better understanding of the process of learning. If you look at athletic records, it is clear than over time standards have been continually rising, and records broken, due to better-honed traning methods. Could the same be happening in academia, explaining the rise in grades rather better than anecdotal "Grade Inflation"?
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Post by James E on Jul 24, 2023 16:25:44 GMT
An unchanged 17-point lead with Redfield and Wilton. Labour 45% (+1) Conservative 28% (+1) Liberal Democrat 14% (+1) Reform UK 6% (-2) Green 4% (–) Scottish National Party 2% (-1) Other 1% (–) redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-23-july-2023/A good figure for the LibDems, but R&W consistently average a little over 2% higher for them than the rest of the polling industry. Redfield and Wilton's polls have followed the reverse pattern to that of Deltapoll, noted above. They have averaged an 18% Lab lead over the past 5 polls, but this was 23% in the Jan-March period, when they were showing among the highest leads of any pollster.
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Post by James E on Jul 24, 2023 16:08:59 GMT
A new Deltapoll for 21-24 July shows their highest Lab VI since March, and a 23% lead: Lab 49% (+1) Con 26% (+2) LibDem 9% (-2) Green 5% (nc) Ref 4% (-2) SNP 3% (nc) PC 2% (+1) UKIP 2% ( !?) Also a 60/40 lead for re-joining the EU, after removing DKs - a new record for Delta, whose 3 previous polls in July have all been around 56/44 on this. On the other hand, they also show a mini-revival for UKIP, and have Plaid Cymru taking 20% of all the 18-24 sample, so maybe better to take all this with a pinch of salt. Tables are here . They have incorrect dates at the top, which does not inspire much confidence, either. deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Deltapoll-230724_trackers.pdfAs mentioned with their previous poll, I still wonder if they have recently made an unannounced change of methodology. Their last 5 polls show an average Lab lead of 22%, whereas their 12 in January-March averaged 17%.
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Post by James E on Jul 23, 2023 15:26:57 GMT
Kellner also seems to miss the point that the 2019 Tory vote contained a lot of Get Brexit Done first time Tory voters who have no particular reason to vote Tory again. Just because they are don't know doesn't mean they might return to the fold and if they are not voting then maybe they won't be voting. He has a point about relative turnouts in by elections but the lead is too high at the moment for this to be much of an issue. It's important to understand that Opinium don't simply re-allocate all of the Don't Knows back to the party they voted for last time. The responses are re-weighted to the GE2019 turnout, and the responses of those who gave an actual VI are applied. In yesterday's Opinium, for Con2019 voters this was Con 58%, Lab 18%, Ref 16%, LD 5%. This is fairly typical: the past couple of YouGovs average as Con 58%, Lab 15%, ref 17%, LD 5%. The effect of doing this is fairly similar in effect to the 50% re-allocation of Don't Knows which ICM applied from 1992 onwards - and it proved very accurate in the 1997 election when their polls came very close to the actual result : their April 1997 polls (they did 8 during the election campaign) averaged a 13% Lab lead. At 12-17 months out from the election, they were showing Labour 18% ahead on average, while the likes of gallup and Mori were still showing 30%+ leads. But there is a risk that Opinium are over-weighting the Con2019 voters. It's noticable from YouGov in particular that they have a much lower 'Certain to vote' response than Lab 2019s - by about 60% to 70%, normally. So they may be over-adjusting, but their methodology is probably a better predictor than treating the Don't Knows as non-voters.
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Post by James E on Jul 23, 2023 10:07:54 GMT
JamesE I defer to your psephological mastery, but isn't Kellner merely saying what we are all saying on this forum, and what Opinion and YouGov's methodology allows for? That the current Tory VI figures of 28% are unrealistic and that a recovery to low 30s is inevitable come general election time. But a recovery from where they are now to an election winning one in 12 months time, with all that it implies for the collapse in support for opposition parties and the change in public sentiment required? ? Is Kellner going a bit media whore like Curtice does sometimes and tailoring his message to suit his Sunday Times readership? A diplomatic dinner party guest? Opinium adjust back to 2019 turnout levels, while YouGov do not. But their fieldwork findings are very similar, so that 'unadjusted' Opinium looks much like YouGov, and vice versa. Even after an adjustment to 2019 turnout levels by party, YouGov's current Con VI is only around 27% (or 24% without) . Opinium's last 4 polls (after adjustment) also average Con 27%. But as you say, this isn't realistic for a GE figure. Both YG and Opinium prompt for Reform and Greens. They get an average of around 8% for Reform. I'd expect more like 3-4%, with nearly all of the difference going to the Tories. Labour are likely to get back some support from the Green VI, too - particularly in close contests, where there is a clear pattern from previous GEs of a lower Green vote. Survation's polls are useful in this respect, as they do not mention any party names in their Voting Intention question. The effect of this generally seems to be to halve support for Ref and Greens, and conequently give more to Con and Lab. Most recently their figures were Lab 46%, Con 28%, LD 12%, Ref 4%, Green 3%. This would then still need an adjustment for 'Don't Knows', but Survation record fewer of these (as 'undecided') than other pollsters due to the way they structure their questions. We don't have a pollster who reflects both the 'squeeze' on Ref/Green and the reversion of 'Don't Knows', but if we did, the figures would be around Con 31, Lab 44. The other factor to bear in mind is that there is likely to be an issue with 'false recall' in many pollsters, apart from those with panels - namely YouGov and Opinium. An obvious example is Savanta, whose respondents generally include roughly equal numbers of voters who claim to have voted Labour as Tory in GE2019. If there is a proportion of voters who have forgotten they switched to the Conservatives, then this inevitably skews the headline figures their way. As a result, Savanta's 'raw' figures, with lab leads of 25-30% turn into headline leads of around 15%. So they may be getting about the right result for the wrong reasons.
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Post by James E on Jul 23, 2023 9:00:08 GMT
Lol, colin beat me to the Kellner article by three minutes. Adding a bit about the test match and worrying about the formatting cost valuable time… colin Interesting post. I don't know if you've taken into account that because of the age demographic for Tories by the time of the next general election around 1.75 million of them will have died. The younger , now older replacements are less likely to vote Tory by all accounts. anyone know what the replacement rate is? If there is a replacement rate… The current pattern of voting intentions of the youngest and oldest does mean that there will be an impact over time. It's worth around a 0.4% to 0.5% Con to Lab swing per year, so could add around a point to Labour's lead by Autumn 2024.
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Post by James E on Jul 23, 2023 8:53:14 GMT
Peter Kellner offers Sunak a crumb of comfort :- "... "YouGov’s latest poll finds that 32 per cent of people who voted for the Tories under Boris Johnson either don’t know who they would back today (24 per cent) or say they would not vote (8 per cent). That’s the equivalent of 4½ million people who are excluded from YouGov’s voting intention figures. Decades of experience tell us that people who vote in one election are very likely to vote in the next, and that Conservative supporters are especially determined to use their vote (not least because so many of them are elderly, a demographic that consistently turns out more than younger voters). How many of these lost Tories could Sunak reasonably expect to woo back? Given troubles of recent times — from the parties scandal to high inflation, rising mortgage rates to stalled living standards — if these “lost Tories” have not yet moved across to other parties, then Sunak must feel he has a chance to win many of them back. A stretched but plausible target would be 2½ million, with the rest distributed in smaller groups — say half a million Labour, half a million other parties and one million sitting out the next election. That would reduce Labour’s lead over the Conservatives by two million, or six percentage points. That’s 3,000 voters per constituency — enough to save as many as 40 seats the Tories would otherwise have lost, and change the complexion of the next parliament." from "How the Tories could still win the next general election" That's exactly what Opinium's 'new methodology' does. They re-weight those voters who give an actual Voting Intention, so that the implied turnout matches that of GE2019. And the result is a 6 point reduction in Labour's lead from 23% to 17%, as described yesterday. The last 4 YouGovs have averaged a 22.5% Labour lead, so if the same were applied there, we'd again get around a 17% 'adjusted' lead.
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Post by James E on Jul 22, 2023 21:44:04 GMT
Latest opinium Labour stays ahead with a lead of 17 points. Labour: 42% (-1) Conservatives: 25% (-3) Lib Dems: 11% (+2) SNP: 3% (n/c) Green: 6% (n/c) Reform UK: 10% (+2) Plaid Cymru: 1% (n/c) Others: 2% (n/c) Without the re-weighting that Opinium now do , this would be a 23 point lead: Lab 45% Con 22% LD 11% Ref 8% Green 7% SNP 3%
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Post by James E on Jul 22, 2023 15:13:19 GMT
Had a quick check in on novara media where the below the line comments seem to overwhelmingly say that despite a 21% swing from Tory to Labour, including the Ruislip result that this means Starmer should instantly resign to be replaced with, I needn't say but he's a serial loser so you can guess. It's bizarre this focus on doctrinal purity and what they see as perfection rather than improvement. It's an attitude which implies that if you can't get exactly what you want it's better to have nothing at all. 21% was the average loss to the Tory vote, across the 3 by elections - 7% in Uxbridge, 26% in Selby and nearly 30% in Somerton. But the Con to Lab swings averaged 'only' 15% in the two Con/Lab contests, 6.6% in Uxbridge, 23.7% in Selby. This is still in line with the current polling average: a 19% lead is a 15% swing from GE2019. And other than Uxbridge, the pattern continues of 'above average' swings in Con-held seats, and 'below average' in Lab held by-elections. Selby's 23.7% swing was nearly 9 points ahead of that implied by current polling, whereas in Labour-held West Lancashire 6 months ago, the swing was around 6 points below the polls at the time.
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Post by James E on Jul 22, 2023 10:11:20 GMT
When there are negatives to deal with CPTPP is 'just a trade deal'. When it's time to hype it up a bit, CPTPP is a 'major, irreversible strategic and political re-alignment and close integration with a fast growing economic region'. Have we got this? Reality: no, CPTPP is not the same as the SM. It is much shallower in terms of political alignment, but also with much more limited gains. While the scope and depth of regulatory alignment is much less than the SM, CPTPP does infringe on UK sovereignty in some areas and will limit parliament's ability to pass laws, as the SM does. If that's a thing for you, you won't like the CPTPP. But I'm sure some will exhibit memory gaps in their efforts to promote CPTPP. Exactly. The reality is that all Trade Deals involve regulatory agreement, which by definition is an infringement of 'sovereignty'. After all the guff about sovereignty in relation to the single market, it seems that the infringement of Parliamentary sovereignty to any non-European country or trading group is now acceptable to the Sovereigntists. See, for example: www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/free-trade-deal-is-a-major-threat-to-uk-public-health-warn-experts/www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/brexit-uk-malaysia-palm-oil-deal-b2301538.html
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Post by James E on Jul 21, 2023 18:23:58 GMT
is there polling on how many of those who now favour rejoining, also want to see another ref in the near future? Why under the Uk constitution would we need a referendum to rejoing the EU? We've just joined CPTPP without any referendum, so there is a recent precedent. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSy_lwQUR9YBut to answer, Carfrew' s question, the only poll I can find ended up as a tie on the question of whether we should have another referendum in the next 5 years. www.whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-there-should-be-another-referendum-in-the-next-5-years-on-britain-rejoining-the-european-union/As this is lower than the 58% who typically want to rejoin (and 61% per YouGov's most recent poll), it seems that there must be some who just want to rejoin, but don't want a referendum (as we've done with CPTPP). I would imagine that most Leavers don't want a referendum where they would be likely to lose.
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Post by James E on Jul 21, 2023 12:01:39 GMT
Selby was extraordinary and it's very welcoming that we have a 25 year old MP in the Commons now. If only there were many more, but this is a start. Historic by election win for Labour and a gargantuan swing to them too in electoral territory thought a no-go zone for the party. Like Uxbridge, some local factors no doubt, and the seat is likely to return to the Tories next year, but it's just the sort of win to boost self-confidence and belief in an opposition's ranks and to spook incumbents to the core. I believe that there are boundary changes in Selby that make the new seat significantly less Conservative than the current iteration. Electoral calculus have Labour 6.3% ahead in their projection for Selby and Ainsty, and 15.5% for the newly re-drawn Selby constituency. So I'd guess that the notional Conservative majority is around 25% rather than 35% for Selby and Ainsty. With Labour doing better in target seats than those they already hold, it's one that I'd expect to be gained with around an 9-10% overall lead. One really extraordinary aspect of yesterday's by -elections: all of the three seats contested look like they will still form part of the battleground for the next General Election. Given the size of the LibDem majority in Somerton and Froom, I'd make them marginal favourites there, while ULEZ may be less of an issue in U&SR in a year's time.
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Post by James E on Jul 20, 2023 23:19:23 GMT
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