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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 15, 2024 13:01:17 GMT
As we haven't had a new UK polling thread for a long time. The TechneUK poll of UK voters, sample 1643 people Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 28% (-1) CON: 27% (+2) RFM: 17% (-1) LDM: 13% (=) GRN: 7% (=) SNP: 2% (=) OTH: 6% (=) fieldwork 13-14 Nov. Changes w/ 6-7 Nov. |
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Post by shevii on Nov 15, 2024 13:28:04 GMT
Bump!
It's so annoying to see comments over two threads so even though this isn't an official new thread I think it is desperately needed and if I was a dictator there would be prison terms for anyone still using the other two threads :-)
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 15, 2024 14:00:01 GMT
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Post by shevii on Nov 15, 2024 14:12:06 GMT
Yes I will keep an eye out for any offenders :-) |
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 15, 2024 15:29:31 GMT
Bump! It's so annoying to see comments over two threads so even though this isn't an official new thread I think it is desperately needed and if I was a dictator there would be prison terms for anyone still using the other two threads :-) See Rule 3 in ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/post/5 |
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Post by shevii on Nov 15, 2024 16:23:34 GMT
Bump! It's so annoying to see comments over two threads so even though this isn't an official new thread I think it is desperately needed and if I was a dictator there would be prison terms for anyone still using the other two threads :-) See Rule 3 in ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/post/5It's a shame it doesn't say anyone can close threads too! |
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Post by shevii on Nov 15, 2024 16:33:55 GMT
Another gain for steveBritain Elects @britainelects ❗ Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour after transfers Colinton / Fairmilehead (Edinburgh) council by-election result: LDEM: 36.3% (+22.5) CON: 19.6% (-2.8) LAB: 19.5% (-17.5) SNP: 10.8% (-8.3) GRN: 5.3% (-0.7) +/- 2022 |
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Post by shevii on Nov 15, 2024 16:35:22 GMT
And a bad one for Greens (with Lab standing this time):
Britain Elects
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❗ Conservative GAIN from Green
Calver and Longstone (Derbyshire Dales) council by-election result:
CON: 47.6% (+2.2)
GRN: 43.2% (-11.4)
LAB: 9.2% (+9.2)
+/- 2023
Estimated turnout: ~34% (-11)
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 15, 2024 16:36:53 GMT
It's a shame it doesn't say anyone can close threads too! You will have to take that up with Mark. :-) |
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Post by Danny on Nov 16, 2024 10:19:16 GMT
Bump! It's so annoying to see comments over two threads so even though this isn't an official new thread I think it is desperately needed and if I was a dictator there would be prison terms for anyone still using the other two threads :-) So now there are three threads! |
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Post by johntel on Nov 16, 2024 14:19:19 GMT
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Post by neilj on Nov 16, 2024 15:20:18 GMT
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Post by neilj on Nov 16, 2024 15:32:57 GMT
Charles Moore of the Torygraph supposedly did history at Cambridge, which makes his claim that Labour's inheritance tax reforms is
'is a recipe for a latter-day peasants’ revolt'
all the more ridiculous
From what I know of Watt Tyler and the serfs revolt they weren't concerned about inheritance tax over £3m and a 50% reduction after that.
It was to do with scrapping the poll tax ( the same amount was levied on every person regardless of income) and demanding that each labourer be allowed to work for the employer of his choice and sought an end to serfdom and other rigid social demarcation
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Post by alec on Nov 16, 2024 15:43:08 GMT
Interesting story - www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mzgv4x901oHard to know what to make of anything Trump says to anyone, but the idea that Trump is a Kremlin stooge is somewhat simplistic: in 2016 Moscow was celebrating, only the be disappointed when Trump slapped them with big tariffs. This time, Moscow was ambivalent about him winning, nervous of such a loose cannon. Trump's main angle has been on ending the war, and many of his supporters are understandably weary of the US taxes paying for other people's battles. So it was assumed that Trump would hang Kyiv out to dry. I commented a while before the election about how Iranian and North Korean engagement in Ukraine might tilt things, as Putin is busy creating his very own 'Axis of Evil'. Trump has appointed some very anti Iran characters, and it will be difficult for him to allow a comprehensive Russian win, given these alliances. Whatever he said the Zelensky, the Ukrainians seem relatively chipper, and given that Ukraine have long held that they can end this conflict quickly if the US allows them to take the gloves off and use US weapons to eliminate key Russian infrastructure inside Russia, perhaps we can see the aligning of mutually beneficial thinking here? Of course, this is Trump, and so all supposition could be wildly wrong, but what if he and Zelensky have agreed that Ukraine can use US weapons in a fully Americanised battle plan, destroying Russian infrastructure quickly and painfully, to bring the war to a speedy resolution? Everyone wins. Except Putin. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 16, 2024 16:20:49 GMT
Charles Moore of the Torygraph supposedly did history at Cambridge So did hireton I think. pjw1961 , barbara , lululemonmustdobetter , oldnat also did history IIRC, though I think only crossbat said where: at Bristol*. (Barbara may have done it as part of a teaching degree?) There may be other historians on here… * though he has also talked about studying economics. Meanwhile I think Lulu also did a PhD in politics rather than history… |
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Post by neilj on Nov 16, 2024 18:16:44 GMT
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Post by alec on Nov 16, 2024 18:18:45 GMT
c-a-r-f-r-e-w - "There may be other historians on here…" Not sure, but there are certainly some fascinating historical artifacts.
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Post by bardin1 on Nov 17, 2024 10:30:02 GMT
Charles Moore of the Torygraph supposedly did history at Cambridge So did hireton I think. pjw1961 , barbara , lululemonmustdobetter , oldnat also did history IIRC, though I think only crossbat said where: at Bristol*. (Barbara may have done it as part of a teaching degree?) There may be other historians on here… * though he has also talked about studying economics. Meanwhile I think Lulu did a PhD in politics rather than history… I did History (and politics under James Cornford) at Edinburgh |
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Post by neilj on Nov 17, 2024 12:31:08 GMT
I couldn't believe this was true, but apparently it is Don't get me wrong, I love fish and chips, but my wife really doesn't I suppose I could do my patriotic duty and eat hers aswell as mine while singing I vow to thee my country 😀 More seriously I can see why the Royal British Legion aren't keen on it www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/17/fish-and-chips-for-ve-day-battle-begins-over-how-uk-marks-80th-anniversaryKing’s pageant master is at odds with Royal British Legion and government over events for the big day People will be asked to eat fish and chips and sing I Vow To Thee My Country around a chain of beacons to mark the 80th anniversary next year of the end of the second world war. But the plans for 8 May, which are likely to involve the royal family and local councils, have failed to win the support of the government and the Royal British Legion, who have different – and arguably less traditional – ideas about how the day should be commemorated. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 17, 2024 14:26:28 GMT
So did hireton I think. pjw1961 , barbara , lululemonmustdobetter , oldnat also did history IIRC, though I think only crossbat said where: at Bristol*. (Barbara may have done it as part of a teaching degree?) There may be other historians on here… * though he has also talked about studying economics. Meanwhile I think Lulu did a PhD in politics rather than history… I did History (and politics under James Cornford) at Edinburgh Yes that might well have been rather interesting! He was rather involved wasn’t he? (Just found out he teamed up with Michael Young) (Hireton also said who he studied under, but I forgot who…) c-a-r-f-r-e-w - "There may be other historians on here…" Not sure, but there are certainly some fascinating historical artifacts. A field trip in the offing? |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 17, 2024 14:39:14 GMT
Well I don’t want to get your hopes up, but they are sometimes vaguely positive towards KS, e.g. this headline the other day: “ Starmer will try to bond with Trump over China concerns
Defence pact between UK, Australia and the US could prove a useful vehicle for getting close to the president-elect” …and they do publish Starmer’s own writings for the paper. But I’m guessing you might not be a Swiftie, Neil!!… I couldn't believe this was true, but apparently it is Don't get me wrong, I love fish and chips, but my wife really doesn't Taylor Swift used to eat them with her old bf apparently… |
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Post by neilj on Nov 17, 2024 15:04:52 GMT
Well they are sometimes vaguely positive towards KS, e.g. this the other day: “ Starmer will try to bond with Trump over China concerns
Defence pact between UK, Australia and the US could prove a useful vehicle for getting close to the president-elect” …and they do publish Starmer’s own writings for the paper. But I’m guessing you might not be a Swiftie, Neil!!… I couldn't believe this was true, but apparently it is Don't get me wrong, I love fish and chips, but my wife really doesn't Taylor Swift used to eat them with her old bf apparently… Not a Swifty, but the coverage of the Telegraph, Times, Express, Mail, Sun etc of some free concert tickets was way OTT and contrasted with the fake indignation that Starmer didn't accept the far more valuable membership of a prestigious Golf Club In many ways I suppose it still shows the class divide in the Telegraph. Tickets for football matches and pop concerts shouldn't be accepted, but Golf of course that's a nice middle class game... Out of interest I looked at the latest stories the Torygraph is running about Starmer, balanced they aren't The latest 17 stories are all negative, you get to number 18 before you get to one that isn't negative, the one you mentioned. E www.telegraph.co.uk/keir-starmer/ |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Nov 17, 2024 15:08:30 GMT
Well they are sometimes vaguely positive towards KS, e.g. this the other day: “ Starmer will try to bond with Trump over China concerns
Defence pact between UK, Australia and the US could prove a useful vehicle for getting close to the president-elect” …and they do publish Starmer’s own writings for the paper. But I’m guessing you might not be a Swiftie, Neil!!… Taylor Swift used to eat them with her old bf apparently… Not a Swifty, but the coverage of the Telegraph, Times, Express, Mail, Sun etc of some free concert tickets was way OTT and contrasted with the fake indignation that Starmer didn't accept the far more valuable membership of a prestigious Golf Club In many ways I suppose it still shows the class divide in the Telegraph. Tickets for football matches and pop concerts shouldn't be accepted, but Golf of course that's a nice middle class game... maybe they are more jealous of the Swifters tickets Well they are sometimes vaguely positive towards KS, e.g. this the other day: “ Starmer will try to bond with Trump over China concerns
Defence pact between UK, Australia and the US could prove a useful vehicle for getting close to the president-elect” …and they do publish Starmer’s own writings for the paper. But I’m guessing you might not be a Swiftie, Neil!!… Taylor Swift used to eat them with her old bf apparently… Out of interest I looked at the latest stories the Torygraph is running about Starmer, balanced they aren't The latest 17 stories are all negative, you get to number 18 before you get to one that isn't negative, the one you mentioned. E www.telegraph.co.uk/keir-starmer/I know how you feel, Neil. I used to post lists on the old board of all the headlines against Corbyn in the Graun and Indy. However, it didn’t excite the greatest degree of concern. (Wasn’t much concern about the pro-austerity support either) |
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 19, 2024 12:17:05 GMT
ukpollingreport2.proboards.com/post/155422/threadCan we get back to using the UK polling threads for UK polling please instead of this US Election thread.  For reference, the results are: Election Maps UK @electionmapsuk Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 27% (-2) CON: 26% (+1) RFM: 20% (+1) LDM: 12% (-2) GRN: 9% (+2) SNP: 3% (+1) Via @jlpartnerspolls, 13-14 Nov.
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Post by neilj on Nov 19, 2024 14:48:02 GMT
Badenoch promising to reverse inheritance tax on farms and VAT on Private schools
So she's committed to going into the next election with her two priorities being a tax cut for farmers with proprieties worth over £3 million, and a tax cut for parents of private school children.
I'm not sure that's where the Tories need to be, but am pretty certain it's where Labour wants them to be
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Post by neilj on Nov 19, 2024 15:16:34 GMT
The Times
"Britain's biggest retailers warn Rachel Reeves that NI rise will lead to shop closures, job losses, pay restraint and higher prices"
Meanwhile
Tesco: Profits £2.3 Billion. M&S: Profits £672 million. Sainsbuty: Profits £277 million. Asda: Profits £1.1 billion...
Huge and increasing profits of Supermarkets are also relevant to farmers complaining that those same Supermarkets have forced down the prices of goods they sell to them
In this case I think farmers do have a genuine grievance
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Post by neilj on Nov 19, 2024 15:40:08 GMT
You have to feel sorry for Neil Parish...With all these tractors and farmers outside Parliament this would have been all his Christmases come together if he'd still been there 😀
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 19, 2024 19:23:33 GMT
Winter fuel cut to push up to 100,000 pensioners into poverty, DWP analysis shows (in the i newspaper) As this is a Government Department's own figures we can take it as true The Government’s decision to axe the winter fuel payment for all but the poorest pensioners will push up to 100,000 retirees into poverty, official analysis shows.
Internal Government modelling, revealed in a letter to the Commons Work and Pensions Committee, predicted that tens of thousands more pensioners will be in relative poverty between now and 2030 as a direct result of withdrawing the benefit.
Secretary of State Liz Kendall said ministers did not expect to announce the change but had been “forced to take difficult decisions to balance the books”.Meanwhile Reeves' first budget did not reimpose the cap on Bankers' bonuses. Now what did Reeves do before she became an MP? Ah yes, she worked for the Bank of England and later the commercial Bank of Scotland. Open Democracy's analysis of Electoral Commissions' donation recordsBankers and City-linked firms have handed Labour the equivalent of £2m since the party launched its charm offensive on big business in 2022, openDemocracy analysis of Electoral Commission data shows But it was all properly declared, so that's all right. While the fat cats of the Banking Sector get their fat bonuses, poor pensioners have to scrimp and save to get by. George Orwell never said it more truly than the last paragraph of "Animal Farm" Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Post by leftieliberal on Nov 20, 2024 12:57:20 GMT
Guardian and Observer journalists may strike over sale of The ObserverJournalists at the Guardian and Observer are considering whether an overwhelming vote in favour of industrial action will be enough to derail talks by the Guardian Media Group (GMG) to sell off its Sunday title. The title’s NUJ chapel will meet this afternoon (20 November) to discuss next steps after a ballot found 93 per cent backed industrial action, on a 75 per cent turnout of staff. Insiders say action being considered includes stoppages during the working day, but warn growing anger towards management meant they might go to immediately announcing a set of strike days.
Essentially the journalists are concerned that once out of the protection of the Scott Trust, which owns both newspapers, the Sunday paper could be vulnerable. Staff at the Observer reject the claim it is loss-making and are calling for a strategic review of the title, and to keep it within the Guardian fold. They are concerned that the loss-making Tortoise will be unable to sustain the Observer, thereby jeopardising its future and that of staff whose jobs are currently protected by the Scott Trust. Meanwhile, two separate consortiums have expressed an interest in buying the Observer if the Tortoise deal breaks down. One has revealed is is interested in holding the title in a trust – as with the Scott Trust – which could protect the brand “in perpetuity”.
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Post by neilj on Nov 21, 2024 6:13:17 GMT
John Prescott has died aged 86, RIP
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