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Post by graham on Jun 28, 2024 17:48:33 GMT
Survation penultimate MRP
Lab 470
Con 85
LD 56
SNP 12
Ref 4
PC 3
Grn 2
Conducted 15th - 27th June.
I don't buy it myself!
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Post by norbold on Jun 28, 2024 17:50:29 GMT
Withdrawing his candidacy for the next election is not the same as resigning from the office of President.
It doesn't automatically follow that Harris would be nominated by the Democrats to run for President in November should Biden withdraw.
The two names being suggested seem to be Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsom, though whether they would want to run is another thing altogether.
To get other candidates in the frame needs the process to be opened up. Newsom has already indicated his support for Biden. Hacker: But supposing somebody would say "Does that mean you refuse to stand?" You know how these media people try to trap you.
Sir Humphrey: Well, Minister, it's not my place, but on previous occasions, a generally acceptable answer has been "While one does not seek the office, one has pledged oneself to the service of one's country. And if one's friends were to persuade one that that was the best way one could serve, one might reluctantly have to accept the responsibility, whatever one's own private wishes might be."
Hacker: [taking notes] "...private wishes might be." yes, I think I've got that. |
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Post by Danny on Jun 28, 2024 17:50:48 GMT
BladeoftheSun @bladeofthes Conservative MP Sally-Ann Hart saying people with Learning Disabilities should be paid less because they don't understand money. Can you get any more disgraceful? x.com/BladeoftheS/status/1806282118802149739i can say she is rather less sympathetic to people with disabilities than either her conservative or labour predecessors. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 28, 2024 17:52:33 GMT
Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️⚧️ @leftiestats 🚨 BREAKING: Poll shows that Nigel Farage would be Leader of the Opposition, with Labour in power. 🔴 LAB 38% (-1) 🟣 REF 21% (+1) 🔵 CON 18% (-1) 🟠 LD 11% (-1) 🟢 GRN 7% (+1) 🟡 SNP 2% (-1) Via @wstoneinsight , 26-27 June (+/- vs 19-20 June) SFL gives Tories 3 seats in total on those figures! Proving Stats for Lefties is innumerate. Both the Conservatives and Lib Dems would have more seats than Reform on those numbers. |
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Post by steve on Jun 28, 2024 17:52:49 GMT
sheviiHow stats get that result making the frog faced hate gimp the leader of the opposition is anyone's guess. EC shows the refukers in fourth place with 20 mps the Tories third with 50 and the lib dems with more than both combined on 78!
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Post by neilj on Jun 28, 2024 17:53:08 GMT
Survation penultimate MRP Lab 470 Con 85 LD 56 SNP 12 Ref 4 PC 3 Grn 2 Conducted 15th - 27th June. I don't buy it myself! Implied vote share Labour on 41.9% Conservatives on 24.5% Lib Dems 11.3% Reform 11% Green Party 4.9% SNP 2.4% |
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Post by Danny on Jun 28, 2024 17:56:42 GMT
Desperate stuff from the Daily Mail. Not stopping Starmer winning, just stopping a supermajority! Anyway, I'm just off to the archives to check for similar headlines in the Mail from 2019 regarding a large Conservative majority..... View AttachmentThere was a party political today by con saying vote con otherwise you will have a labour government for the rest of your lfe. That seems rather an admission of disastrous failure so far, but the tactic seems to be scaremongering. Anyone who watched 'the crown' (or remembers the history) will recall their storyline how a coup was plotted to remove the labour Wilson government because it would be a disaster for the nation. Doesnt seem much has changed. |
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Post by graham on Jun 28, 2024 18:01:40 GMT
shevii How stats get that result making the frog faced hate gimp the leader of the opposition is anyone's guess. EC shows the refukers in fourth place with 20 mps the Tories third with 50 and the lib dems with more than both combined on 78! Probably naivelyrelying on vote shares! |
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Post by Danny on Jun 28, 2024 18:02:26 GMT
Just read in the Telegraph, about a new technology developed at a Cambridge start-up, which allows cars to be charged more quickly than is typically the case, even with current high speed chargers: from 10% to 80% charge in less than five minutes. Fast charging doesn’t just ease range anxiety, it means chargers can be freed up more quickly, charging more cars per hour. They use a new type of electrode, that unlike other electrodes, doesn’t increase its resistance as you increase the charging. Which is good because increasing the resistance normally leads to more heat, degrading the battery, and even risking fires. The batteries also last for more than 4000 charge cycles before dropping to 80% capacity. However, installing more fast chargers like this might require an overhaul of the charging infrastructure - over to you Sir Kier… Surely this is a new battery technology, so it is also saying all the vehicle batteries currently in existence are now obsolete? |
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Post by robbiealive on Jun 28, 2024 18:02:42 GMT
BladeoftheSun @bladeofthes Conservative MP Sally-Ann Hart saying people with Learning Disabilities should be paid less because they don't understand money. Can you get any more disgraceful? x.com/BladeoftheS/status/1806282118802149739Wiki entry for Sally Ann Hart. I don;t think we need to spend too much time worrying about injustice to Ms Hart. At a constituency hustings on 5 December 2019, she was asked about an article she had shared on Facebook which suggested that people with learning difficulties should not be guaranteed a minimum wage. She defended the view, and said "it's about the happiness to work"[9] and that "some people with learning difficulties, they don't understand about money".[10] In a statement made to The Guardian, Hart said, "I was trying to emphasise that more needs to be done to help those with learning disabilities into the workplace and having properly paid work. My comments have been taken out of context, but I do apologise if any offence or alarm has been caused."[9]
In December 2019, an inquiry was initiated by the Conservative Party into Hart after it was discovered that, in 2017, she had shared a video which contained the conspiracy theory that the Jewish billionaire George Soros controls the European Union. She liked a comment underneath the video which said "Ein Reich" ("One Empire"), a Nazi slogan.[12] A second investigation was opened days later over her sharing a blog post, in January 2017, by the anti-Islam activist Cheri Berens. Hart described the blog, in which Berens condemned the 2017 Women's March against US President Donald Trump as being used to promote a "Muslim agenda", as an "affecting read".[1
n February 2023, the Hastings & Rye Conservative Association deselected Hart as its candidate for the next general election,[17] but she was reselected in a members' ballot in March 2023.[18]
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Post by graham on Jun 28, 2024 18:04:47 GMT
I would guess that 15% - 20% of those intending to vote have already done so - ie 5-6 million!
For many the deed is done!
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Post by Danny on Jun 28, 2024 18:05:09 GMT
Although I have been critical of PFI in the past, at the same time, can see why they do it. Wasnt it because PFI did not count in established measures of government debt? It was a way to borrow money while pretending not to. |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 28, 2024 18:11:52 GMT
I think new from R&W, that lower SCon on 2 polls now. "Labour leads by 6% in Scotland. Lowest CON % EVER in our Scottish polling. 🏴 Westminster VI (26-27 June): Labour 38% (-1) SNP 32% (+3) Conservative 11% (-6) Reform 8% (+4) Lib Dem 7% (-1) Green 3% (–) Alba 1% (–) Other 0% (-1) Changes +/- 1-2 June"
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Swinney 37% : Ross 24%
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Post by shevii on Jun 28, 2024 18:15:20 GMT
Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️⚧️ @leftiestats 🚨 BREAKING: Poll shows that Nigel Farage would be Leader of the Opposition, with Labour in power. 🔴 LAB 38% (-1) 🟣 REF 21% (+1) 🔵 CON 18% (-1) 🟠 LD 11% (-1) 🟢 GRN 7% (+1) 🟡 SNP 2% (-1) Via @wstoneinsight , 26-27 June (+/- vs 19-20 June) SFL gives Tories 3 seats in total on those figures! Proving Stats for Lefties is innumerate. Both the Conservatives and Lib Dems would have more seats than Reform on those numbers. Tend to agree but if Reform are 3 points ahead of the Tories (not that that is very likely) and fishing in the same pool, what reason is there for Tories to get more votes than Reform in any seat? More reform voters in Red Wall seats where the Tories aren't in contention but Labour are going to win it anyway? |
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Post by Lakeland Lass on Jun 28, 2024 18:16:08 GMT
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 28, 2024 18:16:41 GMT
Just read in the Telegraph, about a new technology developed at a Cambridge start-up, which allows cars to be charged more quickly than is typically the case, even with current high speed chargers: from 10% to 80% charge in less than five minutes. Fast charging doesn’t just ease range anxiety, it means chargers can be freed up more quickly, charging more cars per hour. They use a new type of electrode, that unlike other electrodes, doesn’t increase its resistance as you increase the charging. Which is good because increasing the resistance normally leads to more heat, degrading the battery, and even risking fires. The batteries also last for more than 4000 charge cycles before dropping to 80% capacity. However, installing more fast chargers like this might require an overhaul of the charging infrastructure - over to you Sir Kier… Surely this is a new battery technology, so it is also saying all the vehicle batteries currently in existence are now obsolete? Well it’s more a refinement of the existing tech, a new kind of anode. And it won’t make all batteries suddenly obsolete, because not all batteries need to be fast-charged, and because in the shorter term they won’t be able to produce enough for the mass market, so it will be more for luxury cars and so on. Also the range of the battery is down a little, and they need to work on that… |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 28, 2024 18:21:46 GMT
Proving Stats for Lefties is innumerate. Both the Conservatives and Lib Dems would have more seats than Reform on those numbers. Tend to agree but if Reform are 3 points ahead of the Tories (not that that is very likely) and fishing in the same pool, what reason is there for Tories to get more votes than Reform in any seat? More reform voters in Red Wall seats where the Tories aren't in contention but Labour are going to win it anyway? The Reform vote is more evenly spread across England and Wales (little support in Scotland) than the Conservative vote is - the point you make about their relative strength in Labour areas being part of that. The Lib Dem vote is even more concentrated than that of the two RoC parties. Therefore the Lib Dem vote will be much more 'efficient' at winning seats. Reform could well pick up a lot of distant second places - plenty of votes but no seats to be had from that. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 28, 2024 18:24:04 GMT
They're right - four more years for Donald Trump. It is what I expected to happen. Biden has waited a lifetime to become president; he won't voluntarily give it up now. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 28, 2024 18:25:36 GMT
Although I have been critical of PFI in the past, at the same time, can see why they do it. Wasnt it because PFI did not count in established measures of government debt? It was a way to borrow money while pretending not to. Well there can be more than one reason… |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 28, 2024 18:32:11 GMT
We Think 🔴 Lab 42% (-1) 🔵 Con 20% (-2) ⚪ Ref 16% (+3) 🟠 LD 10% (NC) 🟢 Green 7% (NC) 🟡 SNP 3% (NC) 🟣 Ind 2% (NC) Bearing in mind this is Reform voters, there is a big disconnect between them and Farage over Putin being provoked to invade Ukraine 'Nigel Farage said this week that the West provoked the war in Ukraine - our polling shows that only 17% of Reform voters agreed that the West provoked the invasion. Full results: The decisions of Putin: 61% The actions of the EU and NATO: 17% Something else/Don't know: 22%' These polling findings go some way in supporting the argument I was making in an earlier post. That argument being that Farage's foreign affairs utterances aren't really of much importance to the people now rallying to the Reform flag. They have different buttons and Farage is pressing them. |
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Post by jib on Jun 28, 2024 18:45:46 GMT
They're right - four more years for Donald Trump. It is what I expected to happen. Biden has waited a lifetime to become president; he won't voluntarily give it up now. There's no fool like an old fool. Complete ego. I wonder what interests are propping him up beyond Dr Jill. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 18:51:05 GMT
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 28, 2024 18:53:57 GMT
The decisions of Putin: 61% The actions of the EU and NATO: 17% Something else/Don't know: 22%' These polling findings go some way in supporting the argument I was making in an earlier post. That argument being that Farage's foreign affairs utterances aren't really of much importance to the people now rallying to the Reform flag. They have different buttons and Farage is pressing them. I agree - I don't think that is what is motivating the refukkers. My Father in Law is probably going to vote for them "It's not the Conservative Party I joined any more", and it is mostly a mixture of anti-EU (still sees them as an undemocratic conspiracy of social democrats) and Trumpish anti-establishment here (viewing the establishment - media , judges etc as a left wing conspiracy, astoundingly to me) |
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 28, 2024 18:54:27 GMT
Just one more week until we have a new Prime Minister ... a bit presumptive, surely  |
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Post by alec on Jun 28, 2024 18:55:13 GMT
Posterwatch: finally, the dam bursts. After a prolonged period of zero posters in the village, one has at last appeared, on a house not previously known for broadcasting their political preferences.
It's Labour 1, everyone else 0.
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Post by norbold on Jun 28, 2024 18:55:36 GMT
Unfortunately that would be Harris and she would be very likely to lose to Trump as well. She's even more unpopular than Biden. Why does it have to be Harris, I agree that she would almost certainly do worse than Biden. Surely for the good of the Dems, the good of the USA and, more importantly, the good of the world, the Democratic Party leadership can persuade Biden to stand down or, if necessary, threaten to remove all support for him. Biden has lost anyhow, so anything the leadership do to remove him can only help the chances of defeating Trump. Surely ther are people who can be a major improvement on Biden. On several occassions since last November, my wife and I have watched Anthony Blinken on TV and said, "he should be president, not Biden" . There must be others who could also be promoted into the Dem candidate. Pete Buttigieg and - wait for it - Hillary Clinton now trending on X as likely possibles if the men in grey suits come for Biden |
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Post by hireton on Jun 28, 2024 19:14:46 GMT
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Post by ping on Jun 28, 2024 19:17:48 GMT
There was a party political today by con saying vote con otherwise you will have a labour government for the rest of your life. Can I have that in writing? |
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Post by ping on Jun 28, 2024 19:26:26 GMT
Pete Buttigieg and - wait for it - Hillary Clinton now trending on X as likely possibles if the men in grey suits come for Biden Not sure how similar we are politically but I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Pete Buttigieg. I enjoyed his book, Shortest Way Home, and have always admired his incisive arguments on Fox news etc. |
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Post by mark61 on Jun 28, 2024 19:33:25 GMT
The Prime Minister of the Uk calls out the disgusting slur from the RefUk activist, a phrase regrettably I heard too many times growing up in the West Midlands in the 60's and 70's and he is right to call it out, these Knuckle draggers should be shamed, but it is these sort of voters the Tories have been chasing with their anti-migrant rhetoric from Braverman and Anderson, and Jenrick who ordered the painting over of Child friendly Murals at a detention centre that may have given some small comfort to traumatised children.
I am sorry that the PM's children may have heard their Father referred to in that way, but it's difficult for Dad to take the moral high ground when he has taken £15 million from Frank Hester.
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