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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 30, 2024 21:28:12 GMT
As is my wont, I like to be the sword of truth on this forum and cut through the zealotry and obfuscation of some of our more partisan correspondents. I therefore feel obliged to familiarise you all with the good Scottish boys in blue ongoing investigation into the SNP's alleged misuse of party funds. The SNP currently being the devolved governing party in Scotland. I warn you that the contents are deeply disturbing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Branchform#
If you had bothered to read anything about Operation Branchform, you would know that it is not into "the SNP's misuse of party funds". The charge is that an employee of the party embezzled party funds.
Rather than the "sword of truth", you are more of a dishonest prick.He probably buggered off with the party funds in Sturgeon's campervan. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 30, 2024 21:29:42 GMT
Thank you, though am particularly interested in field reports, and whether anyone can beat PJ’s leafleting performance. I'm still going with the targeted deliveries. Not sure of the exact number, but over 1,000 of all types so far. I'll add the numbers up when I finish. Sterling work PJ. You must be doing good with your step count! |
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Post by Dave on Jun 30, 2024 21:29:47 GMT
Not a "try". Simply an observation on how far the Conservative Party has moved towards the far right, and the Labour Party has occupied the space that they have vacated. And there was me thinking you'd seen the Scottish polls on here earlier and were just doing your bit to turn the tide. Anyway, if you truly believe that Labour are the new Conservatives, or at least are conservative, then what do these polls indicate about your compatriots and others who have the vote in Scotland? Is Scotland a conservative country? If you consider yourself to be left-wing / progressive, etc (and I have no idea if you do consider yourself to be either or both of those things) then methinks, you need to spend more time with them than with us. And strange to think that a Sassenach like me (albeit with 2% Scottish blood apparently), apparently, currently has politically more in common with more people in Scotland than you do, if voting intention is anything to go by. |
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Post by Dave on Jun 30, 2024 21:33:33 GMT
There were of course as always the outright hostile. A classic was an ex-East End type (as shown by his accent and West Ham t-shirt) ... Yeah, sorry about that. I was in a bad mood. |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 30, 2024 21:34:31 GMT
Thank you, though am particularly interested in field reports, and whether anyone can beat PJ’s leafleting performance. I'm still going with the targeted deliveries. Not sure of the exact number, but over 1,000 of all types so far. I'll add the numbers up when I finish. |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 30, 2024 21:37:04 GMT
You remain ignorant. However, at least you haven't repeated your suggestion that this investigation is about "corruption in government"
If you had bothered to read anything about Operation Branchform, you would know that it is not into "the SNP's misuse of party funds". The charge is that an employee of the party embezzled party funds.
Rather than the "sword of truth", you are more of a dishonest prick. He probably buggered off with the party funds in Sturgeon's campervan. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 30, 2024 21:40:37 GMT
Since there have been no more leaflets here, since my last report, that's hardly surprising! However, if I get any more, or if I see any campaigners, I promise to let you know. Thank you, though am particularly interested in field reports, and whether anyone can beat PJ’s leafleting performance. I mean to do so, Carfers. I take collection of 500 "promise cards" tomorrow to deliver around the green and leafy lanes of Harvington and Norton. This may take me past pjw1961's measly tally of 1,000 leaflets if you add them to the 501 I have already distributed in Redditch. 🤞😁 |
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Post by RAF on Jun 30, 2024 21:43:35 GMT
Spain were good. That is all.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 30, 2024 21:44:51 GMT
He probably buggered off with the party funds in Sturgeon's campervan. 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by robbiealive on Jun 30, 2024 21:44:53 GMT
The only thing I've learned on this site is how to spell her name. and how to send a gift to steve 🎁 I'll never get around to that. Don't stir! Steve may have a touch og the Colin's only other people can be rude. Anyway the guy who wrote the Australian comedy series Colin From Accounts about a paralyzed dog with that name must have been a lurker on here. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 30, 2024 21:45:09 GMT
Thank you, though am particularly interested in field reports, and whether anyone can beat PJ’s leafleting performance. I mean to do so, Carfers. I take collection of 500 "promise cards" tomorrow to deliver around the green and leafy lanes of Harvington and Norton. This may take me past pjw1961's measly tally of 1,000 leaflets if you add them to the 501 I have already distributed in Redditch. 🤞😁 Looking forward to it batters. (Be good if you can capture the step count/distance walked, in case PJ has it easier - More letterboxes per mile etc.) |
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Post by ping on Jun 30, 2024 21:45:35 GMT
Campaign report from Clacton. Thank you for such a thoughtful report. A lot of this sounds very similar to my own experience of canvassing a traditional Tory constituency. I always think the subtext is fear; fear of a changing world and your place in it. Did the truculent Reform voters tend towards a certain demographic? Fertile territory for a realignment in British politics. It will be fascinating to see what happens to the Conservative Party after this election. If we are correct to prophesy a Labour victory, then a lot will probably depend on the scale of the Tory defeat. If they have very few big names left, then those remaining will have a big influence over the future direction. Also, disenchanted Tory voters may be more inclined to stay at home if they are not that frightened of letting the alternative in. Funnily enough, in 2019, I remember a few people saying that they would have voted Labour "if Keir Starmer was the leader". Financial crash, maybe? I witnessed a depressing conversation on the train a couple of weeks ago between two women in their twenties and two thirty-something men. One of the women was saying something to the effect of: "Whenever Labour are in, they spend all the money and then the Tories have to come in and sort everything out." One of the men tentatively suggested that Labour couldn't be entirely blamed for a global financial crash. Striking that this view of Labour being economically incompetent has such staying power given the last few years... Very concerning, unless it was just their way of avoiding the conversation. I sometimes adopt that strategy with door-to-door salespeople. "Oh, I'll have to discuss that with my husband first. He tends to handle the [insert relevant aspect of life]. I of course internally flagellate myself for doing so. |
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Post by shevii on Jun 30, 2024 21:46:45 GMT
There hasn’t been much interest in the French exit polls...😕 To be honest my interest is more in what happens next and how that affects the result in (two?) weeks time. Too early to say. The results appear to be in line with polling and we knew Macron's party was going to get hammered but what's not too clear to me is what happens once third placed candidates withdraw (and if they get 12.5% or more then it's their choice). I've seen quotes from both the left and centrists that they are expecting whoever is 3rd out of those two to sit it out and withdraw. If so it's a case, rather like with Macron's election, how many people switch to stop Le Pen's party getting in and for once, based on these exit polls, it seems likely that the main beneficiary should be the left but may not work out that way (Johnson v Corbyn anyone?). In general terms, the Far Right threat in Europe and the UK doesn't seem to be going anywhere and always seems to tick up a notch, with some ups and downs along the way, but never yet making a breakthrough. Whether we are in or out of the EU probably makes little difference to us overall. I've long since felt comparisons between EU countries and the UK have been overblown and we are more or less all in the same boat as we have similar types of economic systems and standards of living. Some do better either by natural resources, long term investment or better than average governments but with globalisation I think the poor are suffering pretty much everywhere. So the Far Right are probably going to carry on inching forward everywhere in Europe & UK unless anything changes or they see a taste of power and then get rejected as is happening with the Tories now who border the Far Right in many aspects if not to the same degree as Farage or Le Pen would. If Le Pen does make it to a majority or a most seats (as people seem to think is likely) then she either uses that to gain a deeper foothold or she messes it up like Truss did. |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 30, 2024 21:48:47 GMT
and how to send a gift to steve 🎁 I'll never get around to that. Don't stir! Steve may have a touch og the Colin's only other people can be rude. Anyway the guy who wrote the Australian comedy series Colin From Accounts about a paralyzed dog with that name must have been a lurker on here. Well now you mention it Robbie, I think our Colin was actually an accountant... |
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Post by ping on Jun 30, 2024 21:49:00 GMT
'Most capable PM' margin prior to polling day (for victors): 1979: -19 1997: +17 2010: +4 2024: +25 Starmer isn't the victor yet... (Sorry, I'm very paranoid about tempting fate.) |
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Post by alec on Jun 30, 2024 21:52:00 GMT
Fascinating canvassing reports. It's how democracy works, and it's great to think that amidst all the talk of fractured societies and nobody talking across the divide, we have people - on all sides- prepared to carry the torch for the parties they believe in and doorstep voters to engage and spread the word. Great stuff.
And now, football: this is the difference between England and Scotland. The English think they have been made to suffer because as tournament favourites they performed badly and had to score in the dying minutes of injury time against an inferior team to ensure extra time and then go through. For us Scots, on the other hand, we never have any expectations yet still suffer the other lot scoring, not in the dying minutes of injury time, but the actual dying minute, after having an obvious penalty turned down that would have secured us the match and the next round.
The English like to think they suffer, but only the Scots understand what true suffering really looks like. As a race, the Scots are clearly the superior; the English just couldn't handle what we have to deal with.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 30, 2024 21:58:08 GMT
And now, football: this is the difference between England and Scotland. The English think they have been made to suffer because as tournament favourites they performed badly and had to score in the dying minutes of injury time against an inferior team to ensure extra time and then go through. For us Scots, on the other hand, we never have any expectations yet still suffer the other lot scoring, not in the dying minutes of injury time, but the actual dying minute, after having an obvious penalty turned down that would have secured us the match and the next round. . Might there be a Covid effect here Alec? Have the English not been as affected? |
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Post by oldnat on Jun 30, 2024 22:01:43 GMT
Not a "try". Simply an observation on how far the Conservative Party has moved towards the far right, and the Labour Party has occupied the space that they have vacated. And there was me thinking you'd seen the Scottish polls on here earlier and were just doing your bit to turn the tide. Anyway, if you truly believe that Labour are the new Conservatives, or at least are conservative, then what do these polls indicate about your compatriots and others who have the vote in Scotland? Is Scotland a conservative country? If you consider yourself to be left-wing / progressive, etc (and I have no idea if you do consider yourself to be either or both of those things) then methinks, you need to spend more time with them than with us. And strange to think that a Sassenach like me (albeit with 2% Scottish blood apparently), apparently, currently has politically more in common with more people in Scotland than you do, if voting intention is anything to go by.
There is absolutely no reason why you should have read or understood my voluminous posts, some of which demonstrated my own political stance, but if you are interested, it's easy enough on this site to check back.
I opposed conservative policies when they were implemented by the Conservative Party at Westminster, and will continue to oppose them when they are implemented by a Labour Government at Westminster (or by any party in Holyrood).
That Scotland is a "left-wing" country is a bit of a myth, created by those who imagined that the Labour MPs that it elected before 2015 were "left wing", though it's probably the case that Labour MSPs are more progressive than their MPs.
None of which detracts from the rather obvious point that I (and many others have made) that when the Conservative Party defenestrated their "One Nation" moderate Tories, that left a vacuum that Starmer sensibly occupied, in order to gain power. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2024 22:02:58 GMT
What a pathetic person you are. Both ignorant and nasty. 🤣🤣🤣 For someone who spends so much time on here being rude, dismissive and arrogant towards other posters, ole Natty is a very touchy bloke who cant take any teasing at all. |
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Post by mercian on Jun 30, 2024 22:08:25 GMT
pjw1961Great report. "Two separate women said they couldn't tell me how they would vote as their husbands decided that and told them what to do and they hadn't had their orders yet. It appears the Suffragettes were wasting their time with some people. I confess I was rather shocked by that. And before Mercian asks, they were not of Asian descent but white British." I haven't told my wife who to vote for yet. 🤩 Politics is obviously something they shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about. They just need a bit of guidance.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 30, 2024 22:09:29 GMT
Some interesting polling here from Techne for the Independent newspaper. It suggests that the Tories dire warnings about handing Starmer a supermajority have backfired somewhat in terms of herding frightened voters into the Tory fold. Seems to have instead firmed up the Labour vote. There's some interesting alleged inside information here too about how early postal voting is breaking. Feels a bit voodoo to me. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-project-feat-super-mahjority-poll-b2570841.html |
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Post by robbiealive on Jun 30, 2024 22:10:27 GMT
For someone who spends so much time on here being rude, dismissive and arrogant towards other posters, ole Natty is a very touchy bloke who cant take any teasing at all. I thought he was joking but perhaps he has a touch of Colin From Accounts. Whilst norbold is the finest of fellows I do look forward to hearing less about Clacton. |
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Post by mercian on Jun 30, 2024 22:11:46 GMT
I wonder how our Europhiles feel about the far right making inroads in EU countries? I know some of you will say we could have been a moderating influence, but better not to be involved IMO. Last time the far right took over in Europe, we ended up 'involved' whether we liked it or not. The difference is we didn't have to do what they said. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 30, 2024 22:15:41 GMT
For someone who spends so much time on here being rude, dismissive and arrogant towards other posters, ole Natty is a very touchy bloke who cant take any teasing at all. Yes, I was surprised by his vicious reaction and personal abuse, Paul Or should I have been? Probably not. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 30, 2024 22:16:45 GMT
I'm still going with the targeted deliveries. Not sure of the exact number, but over 1,000 of all types so far. I'll add the numbers up when I finish. Sterling work PJ. You must be doing good with your step count! My back and knees are not so convinced of the merits of all this. |
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Post by Dave on Jun 30, 2024 22:22:49 GMT
And there was me thinking you'd seen the Scottish polls on here earlier and were just doing your bit to turn the tide. Anyway, if you truly believe that Labour are the new Conservatives, or at least are conservative, then what do these polls indicate about your compatriots and others who have the vote in Scotland? Is Scotland a conservative country? If you consider yourself to be left-wing / progressive, etc (and I have no idea if you do consider yourself to be either or both of those things) then methinks, you need to spend more time with them than with us. And strange to think that a Sassenach like me (albeit with 2% Scottish blood apparently), apparently, currently has politically more in common with more people in Scotland than you do, if voting intention is anything to go by. 😆 You’ve hit the Glenfiddich earlier than usual tonight I take it? Night night. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 30, 2024 22:24:15 GMT
For someone who spends so much time on here being rude, dismissive and arrogant towards other posters, ole Natty is a very touchy bloke who cant take any teasing at all. I thought he was joking but perhaps he has a touch of Colin From Accounts. Whilst norbold is the finest of fellows I do look forward to hearing less about Clacton. If Farage wins you may continue to hear a lot about Clacton. |
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Post by jib on Jun 30, 2024 22:25:01 GMT
For someone who spends so much time on here being rude, dismissive and arrogant towards other posters, ole Natty is a very touchy bloke who cant take any teasing at all. Yes, I was surprised by his vicious reaction and personal abuse, Paul Or should I have been? Probably not. I thought receiving a "vicious reaction and personal abuse" usually means you've made a good (irrefutable and factual) point here? |
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Post by alec on Jun 30, 2024 22:27:21 GMT
c-a-r-f-r-e-w - "Might there be a Covid effect here Alec? Have the English not been as affected?" No, not this time. It's more that the English are just entitled whingers. 
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Post by mark61 on Jun 30, 2024 22:30:21 GMT
There is some tasty labour on SNP and vice versa action on here tonight. Old Nat flying the flag for the SNP being the most progressive UK Party. Somewhat surprised we haven't had a run out of the Red Tories attack line. The SNP has to be a very broad Coalition to achieve it's goal of Independence, hence the 'Wheest for Indy' philosophy which succeeds to a degree in keeping everyone in the tent.
So this broad Coalition throws up a Leadership Election whereby Ash Regan ( someone who would be quite at home in Cameron's Tory Party) receives 11% of the vote , Kate Forbes a Christian fundamentalist 40%, only bested by the hapless centrist Humza Yousaf with 48%. This is obviously a snapshot of the politics of the members, (It's hard to envisage someone like Regan being on the ballot for Labour) The SNP's so called progressive offer has always been about triangulation to maximise the vote for Indy, which explains how they morphed from the 'Tartan Tories' a traditional right of centre Nationalist party to the Janus faced party they are today.
If they achieve their goal of Independence the different factions will go their separate ways. I have never been a fan of Nationalism in any guise and don't welcome Nationalists trying to take the moral high ground.
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