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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 8:09:16 GMT
If you can't see the difference between Farage spreading his poisonous racism and xenophobia and Starmer's mild centrism which you don't like much, then I feel truly sorry for how warped your perspective has become. Not saying I disagree, but you do come across a little as a rabid militant centrist? |
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Post by pete on Jun 29, 2024 8:10:15 GMT
Just musing.
Racism is always wrong and should be called out and arrests made.
Rishi's anger over Reforms racism. Didn't Rishi reap what he sowed?
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Post by norbold on Jun 29, 2024 8:11:12 GMT
Has anyone actually seen a Tory garden poster any where? I've seen a couple of "I Stand With Giles" large poster boards up in nearby farms in Clacton.
Talking of posters....I am a frequent (weekly) visitor to Colchester as my son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren live there. In past elections, the whole town seemingly has been festooned with LibDem posters - window posters, garden posters, you name it. This year the only posters I've seen are Labour ones.
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Post by jib on Jun 29, 2024 8:11:14 GMT
In terms of what happens now... I suspect relatively little impact. Biden is clearly digging in, so everyone will wait for the next round of polls, and I suspect they'll show not much movement. All last night will have done is entrenched what everyone already thought anyway. There might be some shift amongst Independents (as there was after Trump's convictions) but I doubt it'll be enough to move the needle on VI. Put another way, Trump changed no minds last night, he just stood up and talked his usual schtick. And whilst last night was extremely uncomfortable viewing, if the choice in November is still going to be Biden v Trump then I expect almost everyone who said they were backing Biden prior to last night to still be backing him now because he's still not Trump. Maybe a bit of bleeding to DK/WNV or to the third-party guys, but if there is than that will probably come back. The trouble is that if things just continue as they are we get Trump anyway - he is ahead in every swing state. We need movement toward Biden to get a different result and that seems highly improbable. Exactly. Biden needs to move the polls, and it ain't going to be happening for him now. |
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Post by norbold on Jun 29, 2024 8:12:58 GMT
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Post by jib on Jun 29, 2024 8:13:23 GMT
Has anyone actually seen a Tory garden poster any where? I've seen a couple of "I Stand With Giles" large poster boards up in nearby farms in Clacton.
Talking of posters....I am a frequent (weekly) visitor to Colchester as my son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren live there. In past elections, the whole town seemingly has been festooned with LibDem posters - window posters, garden posters, you name it. This year the only posters I've seen are Labour ones.
Plenty of " Virginia Crosby" placards on the land of multi-millionaire wealthy farmers on Anglesey this week along the A55 corridor. |
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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 8:15:46 GMT
The trouble is that if things just continue as they are we get Trump anyway - he is ahead in every swing state. We need movement toward Biden to get a different result and that seems highly improbable. Trump I seem to recall was hot in the rust belt and on immigration. Same issues as Farage in UK, same issues as the whole of the developed world as less developed places first like China but then plenty of others waiting in the wings have come to challenge their economic power. Globalism has failed as a polic,y its no longer delivering for the traditional developed west. And trying to import cheap labour to make up for the fact your own population are no longer either cheap or willing to labour physically is not a solution. The truth about globalism is that it delivers winners and losers, and the balance has swung against te traidtional top dogs. That is why the parties which did and still support it are in trouble. Thats why the EU is important, as a way to isolate europe from challengers. The US is of course itself big enough it can do this just by closing its borders to trade, and it likely will. |
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Post by steve on Jun 29, 2024 8:19:49 GMT
norbold . I seem to recall one for Conner Burns Conservative. Which seems a tad excessive just vote them out would do.
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Post by Lakeland Lass on Jun 29, 2024 8:26:10 GMT
People get held up all the time for all sorts of reasons such as road works, adverse weather or just high traffic volumes and people generally sit quietly in their cars waiting to carry on with their journeys.
However when it's a JSO protest then by some strange quirk of fate every one in the queue turns out to be urgently trying to get their Granny to hospital , desperatly late for picking up children from school, or about to lose their job for arriving late.
What are the odds on that ! The antics of JSO have alienated a lot of people and certainly caused the Green movement to lose political traction. It's ironic that the Greens are now more hopeful of some rural rather than urban gains. JSO are just seen as middle class people immune to the reality of the daily grind of life for most. I think you're making the big mistake of assuming JSO see themselves as participating in some sort of popularity contest ! |
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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 8:26:24 GMT
"Top scientists turning down UK jobs over ‘tax on talent’, says Wellcome boss Next government urged to lower upfront visa costs that are 17 times higher than international average" But this is brexitania, we don't need talent! A local village country for local village idiots. So whats it going to be? 1) Ban immigrant labourers for farms and care work? 2) Ban high skills immigrants such as doctors and bankers? 3) Ban milionairs, who are nodded in but dont do any work? 4) Ban refugees? (seem to be the ones being targeted though these arent the most numerous immigrants) 5) Build new homes for the millions of immigrants to come and already here from past years? 6) Intervene in the Uk labour market to make the most of the peope we have, train more doctors, mechanise physical jobs? 7) Accept low growth is here to stay, and have a national debate on priorities? 8) Stick your head in the sand and let Farage win? (but it wont be this election, so we dont need to worry yet) |
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Post by steve on Jun 29, 2024 8:26:29 GMT
norbold Colchester is 98th on the lib dems target seats and would require coming from a fairly distant third place. The only reason it's in The top 100 is before 2010 there was a liberal democrat mp. I'm not anticipating a win☺
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Post by pete on Jun 29, 2024 8:31:12 GMT
Driving around Chelt/Cotswolds villages yesterday.
Hundreds and I mean hundreds of Lib Dem posters. As many Green posters as Conservative posters.
Alex Chalk is going to be looking for a new job and very close for Robertson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 8:31:23 GMT
jib“ Exactly. Biden needs to move the polls, and it ain't going to be happening for him now.” Ah…the expert speaks.
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Post by jib on Jun 29, 2024 8:35:10 GMT
jib “ Exactly. Biden needs to move the polls, and it ain't going to be happening for him now.” Ah…the expert speaks.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 8:35:20 GMT
Thanks to eor and crossbat11 for recent posts on USA and UK politics respectively. Those rare nuggets are the reason I still visit the site. Thinking of how ludicrous our political system is, can someone advise how many UK constituencies are won with less than 50% of the vote? Paul |
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Post by pete on Jun 29, 2024 8:37:24 GMT
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Post by neilj on Jun 29, 2024 8:37:45 GMT
I do think some of the JSO protests (not all) are counter productive
However the peaceful protests by tens of thousands of climate change protesters are ignored by main stream media, so I can see why JSO do it
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Post by leftieliberal on Jun 29, 2024 8:38:38 GMT
neilj The lib dems are very much on track to equal or exceed their 2019 vote share. 80+ seats is at the top end of expectations but it's now plausible. We all tend to indulge in a bit of boosterism on here, but if you were an omniscient being and could tell Ed Davey now that the Lib Dems will end up on 40 seats (which still means more gains than at any general election in more than a century) and the Lib Dems would be the third-largest party in the Commons, he would be a very happy man. |
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Post by jib on Jun 29, 2024 8:41:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 8:42:28 GMT
Should have known we would get a giant, colour photo from our resident genius by way of a reply fitting his genius. Very ugly indeed also in just how abhorrently ageist that is.
Yuk.
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Post by nickn on Jun 29, 2024 8:44:01 GMT
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Post by pete on Jun 29, 2024 8:44:29 GMT
With 5 days to go Sky news poll tracker has Labour on a 20.5% lead Labour: 40.5% CON: 20% REF: 16.4% LDEM: 11.3% GRN: 6.2% SNP: 2.9% I still think Reform is too high and come the day it will be below 13% Moving 3/4% to Tory? I can see that. Wouldn't shock if 9/10% of Reform went Tory on the day. Would still give Labour a 150 majority. |
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Post by pete on Jun 29, 2024 8:46:05 GMT
Welcome to the mad house nickn.
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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 8:48:38 GMT
The antics of JSO have alienated a lot of people and certainly caused the Green movement to lose political traction. The antics of JSO are just about the only thing keeping decarbonisation moving ahead in the UK! Without even this public protest con might have cancelled those decarbonisation plans they have still proceeded with. |
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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 8:52:33 GMT
Just musing. Racism is always wrong and should be called out and arrests made. Rishi's anger over Reforms racism. Didn't Rishi reap what he sowed? Racism remains enshrined in UK immigration policy, we severely restrict which nationalities are allowed to come here. I appreciate many refuse to accept nationalism as the same as racism, but it really is. Its about them and us, and the evolutionarily implanted distrust by humans of them. Its curious how nationality discriminaion has become the acceptble face of racism. |
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Post by pete on Jun 29, 2024 9:01:31 GMT
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Post by jib on Jun 29, 2024 9:02:52 GMT
The antics of JSO have alienated a lot of people and certainly caused the Green movement to lose political traction. The antics of JSO are just about the only thing keeping decarbonisation moving ahead in the UK! Without even this public protest con might have cancelled those decarbonisation plans they have still proceeded with. Don't disagree, but the politics of decarbonisation are polarised. I've never seen a issue drive normally rational people to luddite ranting more than stating the reality that they soon won't be able to buy a petrol or diesel car! |
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Post by Danny on Jun 29, 2024 9:06:41 GMT
And having caught up, another anecdote from the chalk face.
A local state school just got a grade 4 OFSTED rating. The result...a rise in parents from the locality enquiring about places in private schools.
If the state really wants to end private schools the correct way to do it is provide decent quality state schools acceptable to parents.
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Post by leftieliberal on Jun 29, 2024 9:11:04 GMT
More trouble for Reform UK, this time in Scotland (The Daily Telegraph via web archive) Kris Callander, the Reform candidate in Gordon and Buchan, Aberdeenshire, said he had not always been a “hardline Unionist” as he had backed separation in the referendum.
His disclosure came after Richard Tice, the party chairman, admitted he did not know how many of its candidates in Scotland backed independence....It previously emerged that David Kirkwood, the party’s deputy chairman in Scotland and a candidate in a Tory-held seat, voted SNP in every election until 2019 and backed independence in the 2014 referendum.
He is standing in Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale, the seat being defended by Tory David Mundell, the former Scottish Secretary.
The Courier also reported that a candidate in Dundee, Vicky McCann, previously supported independence and claimed the 2014 referendum was “corrupt” to prevent a Yes vote.It looks like the SNP have very effectively inserted their 'sleeper agents' into Reform UK.
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Post by shevii on Jun 29, 2024 9:14:16 GMT
Kinnock is correct to say that 'Farage plants and harvests lies ' , but alas he is not alone! I would direct him to what Starmer promised during the Leadership campaign in early 2020. 'Once a liar - always a liar.' If you can't see the difference between Farage spreading his poisonous racism and xenophobia and Starmer's mild centrism which you don't like much, then I feel truly sorry for how warped your perspective has become. Well Starmer's interview with the Sun (later clarified) suggests he's not taking the line Kinnock would want him to take: www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-keir-starmer-bangladesh-the-sun-immigration-rwanda-rushanara-ali-b1167070.html"At the moment people coming from countries like Bangladesh are not being removed because they’re not being processed." Now of course he's not like Farage and may be simply seeing this is a way of trying to get elected but the use of a specific country strongly suggests to me that this was pandering to racist views and saying Bangladesh is a safe country as an explanation for why he quoted that particular country doesn't really sound like the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth. He could have gone with economic migrants but he chose not to. |
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