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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 14:32:58 GMT
Jeremy Hunt General election 2019: South West Surrey Conservative Jeremy Hunt 32,191 53.3 Decrease2.4 Liberal Democrats Paul Follows 23,374 38.7 Increase28.8, He's toast Unfortunately, South West Surrey won't exist at the next election and he is standing in Godalming and Ash which is a likely Tory win. |
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Post by steve on Feb 7, 2024 14:33:29 GMT
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Post by steve on Feb 7, 2024 14:37:44 GMT
Unfortunately, South West Surrey won't exist at the next election and he is standing in Godalming and Ash which is a likely Tory win.
I don't think so all three of the original seats have the lib dems in a strong second place.
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Post by mercian on Feb 7, 2024 14:44:40 GMT
Anyone worrying about the state of the nations health just now, might like to consider some of the rather bad advice we have had in our lifetimes and changes to unhealthy diets. Obviously modest compared to some of the stuff food producers got up to in the 19th century, but an awful lot from the 20th was also sheer marketing of harmful stuff with false claims. It's not just marketing by private firms. Remember the 'Go to work on an egg' government campaign, followed a few years later dire warnings about high cholesterol, not to mention Edwina Currie's (truthful) salmonella remarks. Moderation in all things is a decent rule of thumb. It's difficult to keep up with the advice on various foods. I suppose we can hope that the science gradually improves but I think there is an element of fashion involved too. There's also the fact that we rarely get the full story - for instance we're now told that organic fruit and veg are no more nutritious than non-organic, but those same people don't mention anything about the damaging effects on wildlife and perhaps ourselves from the chemicals involved in non-organic production. |
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Post by wb61 on Feb 7, 2024 14:53:48 GMT
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Post by mercian on Feb 7, 2024 14:54:11 GMT
The other interesting factor of course is that if Trump drops out to spend some penitentiary time, or is shamed into withdrawal as a convicted felon, the Republicans then come up with another candidate who beats Biden in November. I don't think Trump can or would beat Biden. Haley might though. I can't see that happening. He seems totally without shame. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 14:57:05 GMT
"Expected to stand down" but also "put himself forward and been selected for the new Surrey constituency of Godalming and Ash" according to that article. |
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Post by bendo on Feb 7, 2024 14:57:49 GMT
bendo - "Whats the issue?" I have concerns regarding resilience. I've related my own story of a total and prolonged failure of the power grid, which also dropped all mobile communications for a significant geographical area. Yeah there are some negatives like that, but that can be solved with a small UPS to power the ONT & router. The reality is that the old copper lines are dated and FTTP is a huge step forward, but the investment required for that can only happen by obsoleting all the old ancient kit and the large building it occupies. FTTP doesn't need the multitude of local exhanges dotted around so eventually they will go along with the overheads of maintaining them. Having just had FTTP become available where I am, I was more than happy to ditch my (never used) landline full stop. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 14:59:23 GMT
Unfortunately, South West Surrey won't exist at the next election and he is standing in Godalming and Ash which is a likely Tory win. I don't think so all three of the original seats have the lib dems in a strong second place. Electoral Calculus' prediction based on the new boundaries, not mine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 14:59:32 GMT
bendo - "Whats the issue?" I have concerns regarding resilience. I've related my own story of a total and prolonged failure of the power grid, which also dropped all mobile communications for a significant geographical area. The only comms remaining was the fixed landline. These systems failures are not particularly rare, although the longevity of my recent experience was unusual, as was the twin issue of both power and mobile systems falling over simultaneously. I do, however, feel that we are building in an additional vulnerability to our day to day lives, just at the point when general issues of business continuity as well as civil (and military defence) are increasingly challenged by external threats. In functional terms, broadband based digital is probably better (although the need to dial the local code regardless is a step backwards) but it is probably more systemically vulnerable, to both accidental and deliberate disruption. Maybe I'm being a little old fashioned here, and I am speaking as someone who keeps paper copies of all my bank statement for at least 3 years, just in case the world of online banking keels over one day, but the time will come when we recognise that maximising efficiency is not the same thing as maximising resilience. And if you have no broadband or mobile internet access ,like 7m * households in this country, or are one of the 4m people * still unable to complete a single basic digital task to get online such as opening an internet browser, connecting to a wifi network, updating a password or using a mouse.-you will need something more than resilience . *UK’s House of Lords’ Communications and Digital Committee (CDC) |
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Post by hireton on Feb 7, 2024 14:59:57 GMT
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Post by mercian on Feb 7, 2024 15:02:48 GMT
I wonder if anyone has thoughts on the recent cancer diagnosis for King Charles? There seems to be a total clearing of the decks in terms of his schedules, scramble by relatives. Obviously we are not being told the whole picture, and would not be even if the issue has a positive outlook. But the question must arise whether there is now the prospect of the electoral season this year being punctuated by another death of monarch and a fortnights propaganda to support the state and government? I expect His Majesty's cancer scare is a deliberate ruse by the establishment to gain support for the status quo in an election year. It's well known that the Tory party and royalty are in cahoots to keep the masses in poverty and misery.  |
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Post by bendo on Feb 7, 2024 15:18:42 GMT
bendo - "Whats the issue?" I have concerns regarding resilience. I've related my own story of a total and prolonged failure of the power grid, which also dropped all mobile communications for a significant geographical area. The only comms remaining was the fixed landline. These systems failures are not particularly rare, although the longevity of my recent experience was unusual, as was the twin issue of both power and mobile systems falling over simultaneously. I do, however, feel that we are building in an additional vulnerability to our day to day lives, just at the point when general issues of business continuity as well as civil (and military defence) are increasingly challenged by external threats. In functional terms, broadband based digital is probably better (although the need to dial the local code regardless is a step backwards) but it is probably more systemically vulnerable, to both accidental and deliberate disruption. Maybe I'm being a little old fashioned here, and I am speaking as someone who keeps paper copies of all my bank statement for at least 3 years, just in case the world of online banking keels over one day, but the time will come when we recognise that maximising efficiency is not the same thing as maximising resilience. And if you have no broadband or mobile internet access ,like 7m * households in this country, or are one of the 4m people * still unable to complete a single basic digital task to get online such as opening an internet browser, connecting to a wifi network, updating a password or using a mouse.-you will need something more than resilience . *UK’s House of Lords’ Communications and Digital Committee (CDC) Those who only have a landline without broadband wont be migrated over until they have to be, i.e. just before the switch off. There will be no requirement for them to understand wifi or take on broadband either. You are looking for issues where they simply don't exist. |
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Post by alec on Feb 7, 2024 15:58:33 GMT
bendo - "Having just had FTTP become available where I am, I was more than happy to ditch my (never used) landline full stop." Your response fails to address any of the systemic resilience issues I noted. Even on the domestic scale, the use of a UPS firstly costs me, but then won't give me very long until I'm cut off again, if there were to be a systems failure as I've noted. It's commonly believed that more complex, technologically advanced systems are more robust, and in many ways they are, but complexity also brings vulnerability, and because of the scale and dependency on modern technology, the scale of disruption when systems fail is consequently far greater.
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Post by steve on Feb 7, 2024 16:18:35 GMT
So Sunakered makes transphobic comments and naturally it's Keir Starmer 's fault.
Badenoch hits back at Labour in PMQs trans jibe row, accusing Starmer of exploiting Ghey tragedy for political purposes
Kemi Badenoch, who combines being business secretary with being minister for women and equality, has put out a statement on X claiming it was “shameful” that Keir Starmer chose to use the murder of Brianna Ghey for “political point-scoring”.
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Post by alec on Feb 7, 2024 16:19:11 GMT
Ah yes - Bedfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire - those poverty wracked counties desperately in need of major infrastructure investment to 'level up' and get the north motoring. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68209712Memories are short, an election is looming, and Conservatives are as bent as they come. Plus ca change, as they say in posh London restaurants. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Feb 7, 2024 16:21:11 GMT
More evidence that Sunak "gets it". Wanting their politicians to know that a man has a willy is what exercises the minds of "real voters".
Willy scepticism and wokeism is what is driving real voters into the hands of the Far Right.
I'm toying with a vote that way myself now after I saw the anticipated population growth and predicted net immigration figures.
Where else can a real voter go??
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Post by bendo on Feb 7, 2024 16:28:12 GMT
bendo - "Having just had FTTP become available where I am, I was more than happy to ditch my (never used) landline full stop." Your response fails to address any of the systemic resilience issues I noted. Even on the domestic scale, the use of a UPS firstly costs me, but then won't give me very long until I'm cut off again, if there were to be a systems failure as I've noted. It's commonly believed that more complex, technologically advanced systems are more robust, and in many ways they are, but complexity also brings vulnerability, and because of the scale and dependency on modern technology, the scale of disruption when systems fail is consequently far greater. Lets stick to old antiquated systems then to handle a few edge cases. Arguments you could make for Analogue to digital TV, analogue to digital radio, dab to dab+ and so many other things. I'm not looking hard enough, or I'm ignoring sensationalist nonsense? Those who don't have a broadband connection wont be cut off, they will end up with a plugin adaptor that simply just works. |
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Post by domjg on Feb 7, 2024 16:30:32 GMT
Ah yes - Bedfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire - those poverty wracked counties desperately in need of major infrastructure investment to 'level up' and get the north motoring. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68209712Memories are short, an election is looming, and Conservatives are as bent as they come. Plus ca change, as they say in posh London restaurants. It's an odd selection of choices and it would be interesting to know what the rationale for choosing them was. At first glance appears to be places that are still more likely to vote tory but possibly need a bit of persuasion but probably just my partisan specs. If that were the case you'd have thought somewhere like Swindon would have been on the list. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 16:47:56 GMT
bendo - "Having just had FTTP become available where I am, I was more than happy to ditch my (never used) landline full stop." Your response fails to address any of the systemic resilience issues I noted. Even on the domestic scale, the use of a UPS firstly costs me, but then won't give me very long until I'm cut off again, if there were to be a systems failure as I've noted. It's commonly believed that more complex, technologically advanced systems are more robust, and in many ways they are, but complexity also brings vulnerability, and because of the scale and dependency on modern technology, the scale of disruption when systems fail is consequently far greater. Lets stick to old antiquated systems then to handle a few edge cases. Arguments you could make for Analogue to digital TV, analogue to digital radio, dab to dab+ and so many other things. I'm not looking hard enough, or I'm ignoring sensationalist nonsense? Those who don't have a broadband connection wont be cut off, they will end up with a plugin adaptor that simply just works. No. Lets do it sensitively at a speed which the digitally disadvantaged and health risk customers ( or edge cases !!!) can cope with. Making sure to communicate with and reassure them , and not leave them without the services they need or at risk of being so. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Feb 7, 2024 16:58:57 GMT
Harry Cole of the Sun saying it will be an October election. Could well be right, what I'm certain of is it won't be a May election www.thesun.co.uk/news/25767566/rishi-sunak-general-election-october-avoid-trump-clash/'RISHI Sunak is “moving away” from holding the election in November with October eyed instead, The Sun can reveal. Concerns over massive global insecurity triggered by the potential return of Donald Trump means going to the country before the US election is now more likely, insiders say.' I've been forecasting an October 2024 election for over 18 months now, so good that Sunak is finally seeing sense  . |
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Post by neilj on Feb 7, 2024 17:03:33 GMT
Redfield Wilton Scotland Westminster
Labour leads the SNP by 1% in Scotland.
Scotland Westminster VI (3-4 February):
Labour 34% (-1)
SNP 33% (-2)
Conservative 18% (+1)
Lib Dem 8% (-1)
Reform UK 4% (+2)
Green 2% (–)
Alba 1% (NEW)
Other 0% (-1)
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Post by pjw1961 on Feb 7, 2024 17:05:24 GMT
It was amusing, not having read this site all day, to read the morning discussions about how Sunak has a 'tin ear' politically and is prone to saying and doing dumb things, but with the foreknowledge of his appalling faux pas at PMQs to come. He really is a terrible at politics. Kudos to Starmer for spotting the error at once and calling Sunak out on it rather than sticking to his script.
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Post by Danny on Feb 7, 2024 17:51:05 GMT
Whats the issue? Its 2024, copper phone lines are a dated concept in the modern world. For the majority the only change will be to plug in the phone line to the router instead of the existing faceplate. Hmm. Not so simple I think. I have just been trying to get a technical explanation of what is happening rather than the slogans and I cant find one. The Uk phone netwok began to change to fibre from copper maybe 40 years ago and its not clear to me this is the end of copper. They started on the trunk network where calls were mutiplexed onto fibre cables instead of copper ones. Now they seem to be removing the copper connections from local exchange to roadside. But I cannot find whether they intend to literally make the network copper free by removing the last section from road to house. The problem if they did would be the huge amount of work in replacing telephone wires inside running in lots of strange places. What i have found is a statement your old phone will have to be plugged into a router which is powered off your electricty supply. But many/most already have these (ok will need a new one, but thats just swapping it over), and they operate broadband through copper wires entering the house. VOIP phones just means it uses internet transfer protocols, it doesnt necessarily mean you arent using copper wire connections. |
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Post by steve on Feb 7, 2024 17:52:20 GMT
Virgin media is big in Hertfordshire, they inherited a cable network first laid down in towns such as Hemel Hempstead it means upgrading the network was easy
Ultrafast broadband is common ours is 1200mbs.
Not exactly an internet black spot.
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Post by steve on Feb 7, 2024 18:15:08 GMT
It’s been reported today that £16.5 million has been donated to the Conservatives in the last four months.
Recently the Conservatives lifted General Election campaign spending limits by 80% to £35 million.
They’ve raised nearly half of that, and more than they spent on their 2019 campaign, in a matter of weeks.
That sort of spending power gives them a real advantage.
It’s exactly why they've raised the limits, and made several other changes to how our elections work.
They are blatantly trying to rig the election rules to work in their favour.
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Post by ptarmigan on Feb 7, 2024 18:20:24 GMT
Unfortunately, South West Surrey won't exist at the next election and he is standing in Godalming and Ash which is a likely Tory win. I don't think so all three of the original seats have the lib dems in a strong second place. Electoral Calculus' prediction based on the new boundaries, not mine.
I live in a neighbouring constituency and it's certainly conceivable that Hunt will win the newly created seat but I'd be inclined to take the electoral calculus prediction with a pinch of salt. That 22.6% for Labour looks very high - in South West Surrey they never got close to achieving that and while Godalming & Ash will be a different seat I wouldn't say the demographics are markedly different. Come an election the Lib Dems are likely to concentrate significant resources on some of these Surrey seats with Labour likely to be largely invisible. The recent YouGov MRP had the Lib Dems taking this seat with figures of LD 35/Con 32/Lab 16/Ref 9/Gr 5. That feels a bit closer to the mark than the EC figures to me. |
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Post by steve on Feb 7, 2024 18:26:30 GMT
I wanted to include the following in full as it relates to the biggest danger to life experienced by adult men.
"A Conservative MP has earned cross-party plaudits after speaking in parliament about his attempt to take his own life and encouraging others to seek help.
Elliot Colburn held back tears after standing up during prime minister’s questions and speaking of how “luckily” his attempt in 2021 had failed and he was found by family members quickly.
The MP, who has represented Carshalton and Wallington since December 2019, began by reminding a packed House of Commons chamber that February marks Boost Your Self-Esteem Month and Children’s Mental Health Month.
“In recent years something like 6,500 people die in the UK each year due to suicide. In 2021 I was nearly one of them,” he said, as a hush fell.
“Luckily my attempt failed, I was found by family members quickly, I received amazing care at St Helier and Springfield hospitals, didn’t do any permanent damage and was well looked after by the NHS in the months that followed.
“I want to take this chance to say thank you to everyone who saved me and sorry to my family and loved ones, who I put through such an awful ordeal.
“In that moment, I felt alone and scared, and like there was no way out, and that the world would be better off without me in it.
“I don’t recognise that man any more. I know that nothing is ever really worth that, help really is out there, and I am pretty awesome,” he added, with his voice initially cracking before he smiled as other MPs shouted “hear, hear” to the last part.
Colburn went on to say: “Does the prime minister agree that one death by suicide is one too many? And will he send a message from the dispatch box today that whatever you are going through, you are not alone, that help is out there, and better days lie ahead?”
I haven't bothered with Sunak's reply as it was the usual platitude filled bollocks.
Respect to Mr Colburn for his honesty and candour.
The issue of mental health in adult men isn't just underfunded it's virtually entirely ignored, with focus on infectious threats and physical illnesses discussion of this health crisis is being largely intentionally avoided.
Early intervention helps, it's not happening.
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Post by steve on Feb 7, 2024 18:41:26 GMT
The father of murdered transgender teenager Brianna Ghey has demanded an apology from Rishi Sunak, saying he was "disgusted" with the prime minister's comments in the Commons today.
Speaking to Sky News, Peter Spooner said Mr Sunak's remarks during PMQs, which the schoolgirl's mother Esther attended, were "degrading" and "absolutely dehumanising".
He said: "As the prime minister for our country to come out with degrading comments like he did, regardless of them being in relation to discussions in parliament, they are absolutely dehumanising.
"Identities of people should not be used in that manner, and I personally feel shocked by his comments and feel he should apologise for his remarks."
Of course he should.
Needless to say he won't other regime members such as the useless Hunt have already gathered round to explain what Sunakered really meant.
It's the Spaffer regime revisited.
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