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Post by shevii on Apr 22, 2024 17:58:45 GMT
leftieliberal “ The Muslim Association of Britain are hardly pure themselves. See the Wikipedia article on them The group is reported to have had direct ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas;” Why place this brief post with another, complete with large pictures, which was about thirty times as long as yours and had just been posted? This is a really unnecessary and rather stupid habit. They're Islamists and anything they write is not to be trusted. Do I really need to spell it out to you? I don't think that Crofty was talking about the content but double posting huge blocks of picture links (he may even object to me posting it once!). But in terms of who is to be trusted you seem more than willing to trust someone who is a director of the organisation who produced that video attack on Sadiq Khan which in my humble opinion was blatantly Islamophobic. "Sadiq Khan's London" followed by various clips of Muslims appearing to behave badly (deprived of context) is very suggestive that he is letting things happen because he is a Muslim and this has been part of the racist Far Right campaign aimed at Khan simply because he is a Muslim and this "Muslims control London" ludicrous narrative. It's one that the Tories continue to nibble away at as well. I posted those links to give context to the police comments that, while unprofessional and borderline antisemitic, they clocked that this was an individual not simply going about his business but there to be confrontational and aiming to get a video out of it which is exactly what he achieved because people were gullible enough to take him at face value. The police were well aware he was not a random person who got caught up in the march and just wanted to cross the road. Identifying him in the way they did may have been wrong but they weren't wrong about his intentions. He's entitled to a counter protest but the police are also entitled, as they always do, to keep counter protesters separated from the other protesters. |
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Post by neilj on Apr 22, 2024 18:24:43 GMT
What a good man, he puts Sunak to shame
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Post by mark61 on Apr 22, 2024 18:37:12 GMT
Good to see Mark Rowley stand by his rank and file officers over the the Falter affair. Having seen both the full clip and Mr Falter's less than impressive performance on Sky News I think we can conclude this was a Political Stunt from someone with an agenda.
It was however depressing to see the majority of the fourth estate take it at face value and run with it, having been left with egg on their face over this is it too much to ask that they delve a bit deeper next time and actually do their job?
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Post by crossbat11 on Apr 22, 2024 18:52:09 GMT
Good to see Mark Rowley stand by his rank and file officers over the the Felter affair. Having seen both the full clip and Mr Felter's less than impressive performance on Sky News I think we can conclude this was a Political Stunt from someone with an agenda. It was however depressing to see the majority of the fourth estate take it at face value and run with it, having been left with egg on their face over this is it too much to ask that they delve a bit deeper next time and actually do their job? The "Felter Affair" sounds like a good old fashioned Westminster groping scandal. Sir Christopher Chope denying it all of course, but the Sunday People adamant that they have video evidence of Chope's unwanted advances towards a young parliamentary internee. Female, I hasten to add before we go down the Pincher route. "Feltergate" may be the more appropriate label though. |
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Post by oldnat on Apr 22, 2024 18:53:26 GMT
Good to see Mark Rowley stand by his rank and file officers over the the Felter affair. Having seen both the full clip and Mr Felter's less than impressive performance on Sky News I think we can conclude this was a Political Stunt from someone with an agenda. It was however depressing to see the majority of the fourth estate take it at face value and run with it, having been left with egg on their face over this is it too much to ask that they delve a bit deeper next time and actually do their job? |
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Post by steve on Apr 22, 2024 18:56:02 GMT
"Trump originally paid money to the women concerned for a single night of sex. "
I think you'll find it was closer to 30 seconds.
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Post by jib on Apr 22, 2024 19:11:37 GMT
Lib Dems getting 60 seats!? 
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Post by peterbell on Apr 22, 2024 19:14:10 GMT
Government in the Lords have made a concession re the Afghanistan ammendment on the Rwanda bill. Lord Brown (Lab) has accepted the concession so that this ammendment will now be dropped. Unfortunately, it seems that the bill will pass tonight. It is now up to the courts to slow down progress. Having said this I would be happy for a plane or planes to take off resulting in absolutely no difference in the number of boats crossing the channel. This would confirm what many of us have said - this whole Rwanda business is an absolute waste of millions of pounds.
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Post by pjw1961 on Apr 22, 2024 19:36:09 GMT
Government in the Lords have made a concession re the Afghanistan ammendment on the Rwanda bill. Lord Brown (Lab) has accepted the concession so that this ammendment will now be dropped. Unfortunately, it seems that the bill will pass tonight. It is now up to the courts to slow down progress. Having said this I would be happy for a plane or planes to take off resulting in absolutely no difference in the number of boats crossing the channel. This would confirm what many of us have said - this whole Rwanda business is an absolute waste of millions of pounds. It was always going to pass, so at least the Lords have got a small win with that amendment. Still, you can't polish a turd, as the saying has it. |
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Post by eor on Apr 22, 2024 19:49:11 GMT
neilj If Street goes west in the West Midlands Mayoral election, it's an extraordinarily ominous result for the Tories in the region in terms of their prospects in the forthcoming general election. It will signify that incumbency and personal popularity isn't enough to stem the national anti-Tory tide. Nor, seemingly, the recent travails of the Labour-run Birmingham City council. Bankruptcy, slashed services and soaring council tax bills. The Labour Mayoral candidate will no doubt take hits for this debacle. The West Midlands contains a lot of Tory v Labour marginals and, rather like the Red Wall seats in the North, the area has tended to drift steadily in a Tory direction since 2010. For example, who on earth would have expected the Tories to win seats like Dudley and West Bromwich? They have though, and held them too. If Street can't bolster them in his fiefdom, then it's difficult to imagine what or who can. Birmingham doesn't have council elections this time, so whilst Street came second there last time anyway then we won't really get to find out what the net effect is there between the anti-Tory swing and any specific resentment of the council's problems. I'd put it more the other way and say that if he does squeak home it will only be because he's combined a good personal following with sufficiently disassociating himself from the Tory government, neither of which is of any comfort at all for Tory MPs. |
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Post by eor on Apr 22, 2024 19:49:47 GMT
Day one of Desperate Dons criminal fraud attempt at electoral interference case underway. Wrongly titled a hush money case, the act of paying off a porn star when you'd been cheating on your wife who'd just given birth wasn't actually a crime( maybe it should have been), but pretending the payment was for legal services to avoid a follow up bad press after the " grab them by the pussy" recording, was. Unlike previous trials where the traitors legal turn were comically inept the lead attorney here Todd Blanche is actually an experienced prosecutor and trial lawyer. He'll have his work well and truly cut out to get his guilty client off. youtu.be/wrGpkxEW3t8?si=YDn_wsDExS6T052SOne small detail that always strikes me as odd about this - and which has just been repeated on the 6 o'clock news - is the the BBC always says that Trump had "an affair" with Stormy Daniels. They also said the same tonight of a separate incident with a different lady, who he also paid hush money to. The reality is that in each case Trump originally paid money to the women concerned for a single night of sex. That is not exactly unknown behaviour, but I have never heard it described as "an affair" before. It feels like establishment protection of one of their own. I can't claim any experience in the area I think you're insinuating, but my understanding is that what Pratchett referred to as "ladies of negotiable virtue" weren't generally paid for their silence...  |
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Post by graham on Apr 22, 2024 19:52:21 GMT
The West Midlands Mayoral election reminds me somewhat of Livingstone losing the London mayoral election to Johnson in 2008. At that time Livingstone was still quite well regarded - in a way that had ceased to be true by 2012 when he lost again much more narrowly - but he was dragged down by the national unpopularity of Labour and Brown's Government - indeed it was the same month that Labour lost the Crewe & Nantwich by election to the Tories.
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Post by oldnat on Apr 22, 2024 19:59:29 GMT
Government in the Lords have made a concession re the Afghanistan ammendment on the Rwanda bill. Lord Brown (Lab) has accepted the concession so that this ammendment will now be dropped. Unfortunately, it seems that the bill will pass tonight. It is now up to the courts to slow down progress. Having said this I would be happy for a plane or planes to take off resulting in absolutely no difference in the number of boats crossing the channel. This would confirm what many of us have said - this whole Rwanda business is an absolute waste of millions of pounds. It was always going to pass, so at least the Lords have got a small win with that amendment. Still, you can't polish a turd, as the saying has it.
EDIT : Or maybe they have?
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Post by neilj on Apr 22, 2024 20:03:38 GMT
The House of Lords backed by 240 votes to 211, majority 29, a requirement that the east African country could not be treated as safe until the Secretary of State, having consulted an independent monitoring body, had made a statement to Parliament
Back to the Commons
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Post by crossbat11 on Apr 22, 2024 20:05:38 GMT
neilj If Street goes west in the West Midlands Mayoral election, it's an extraordinarily ominous result for the Tories in the region in terms of their prospects in the forthcoming general election. It will signify that incumbency and personal popularity isn't enough to stem the national anti-Tory tide. Nor, seemingly, the recent travails of the Labour-run Birmingham City council. Bankruptcy, slashed services and soaring council tax bills. The Labour Mayoral candidate will no doubt take hits for this debacle. The West Midlands contains a lot of Tory v Labour marginals and, rather like the Red Wall seats in the North, the area has tended to drift steadily in a Tory direction since 2010. For example, who on earth would have expected the Tories to win seats like Dudley and West Bromwich? They have though, and held them too. If Street can't bolster them in his fiefdom, then it's difficult to imagine what or who can. Birmingham doesn't have council elections this time, so whilst Street came second there last time anyway then we won't really get to find out what the net effect is there between the anti-Tory swing and any specific resentment of the council's problems. I'd put it more the other way and say that if he does squeak home it will only be because he's combined a good personal following with sufficiently disassociating himself from the Tory government, neither of which is of any comfort at all for Tory MPs. You're right, of course, that there are no Birmingham city council elections this year, but my point was that Street can't help but benefit from the recent financial difficulties that are beginning to have a negative effect on many of the people who will be voting in the mayoral elections. He hasn't been slow, maybe understandably, to try and exploit some of the problems that have befallen the Labour run council of late. He may be dissociating himself from the Tory Party nationally, and emphasising "Brand Andy", but he isn't averse to playing base party politics too when it suits him! I agree with you though that whether Street wins or loses next week, I suspect the runes don't look good for the Tories in the region in terms of their general election prospects. |
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Post by eor on Apr 22, 2024 20:10:05 GMT
Found this interesting, Trump's polling lead relies on those who don't vote. Among those who do vote Biden has a very clear lead... I don't think it's quite right to split that into those that don't vote and those that do - 2020 and 2022 are different electorates, in the same way as say looking at everyone who voted in the 2019 GE *and* the various 2021 elections here would be a bit of an odd snapshot. I appreciate that almost everyone technically had a vote both times because of the House elections but the states with competitive Senate or Governor elections in 2020 will be significantly different to those with Senate or Governor elections in 2022. So for those who live in a House district that is a foregone conclusion (ie the great majority) then whether it was worth turning out at all in 2020 or in 2022 may have been quite different questions. The effect is quite pronounced, especially given that most states are also foregone conclusions in the Presidential vote. According to analysis from Pew only 62% of 2020 voters had voted in both 2016 and 2018, and only 75% of 2020 voters had voted in 2016. www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/ |
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Post by pjw1961 on Apr 22, 2024 20:12:49 GMT
One small detail that always strikes me as odd about this - and which has just been repeated on the 6 o'clock news - is the the BBC always says that Trump had "an affair" with Stormy Daniels. They also said the same tonight of a separate incident with a different lady, who he also paid hush money to. The reality is that in each case Trump originally paid money to the women concerned for a single night of sex. That is not exactly unknown behaviour, but I have never heard it described as "an affair" before. It feels like establishment protection of one of their own. I can't claim any experience in the area I think you're insinuating, but my understanding is that what Pratchett referred to as "ladies of negotiable virtue" weren't generally paid for their silence... In this case they got paid twice - once to do it and a second time not to talk about it. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Apr 22, 2024 20:15:07 GMT
It was always going to pass, so at least the Lords have got a small win with that amendment. Still, you can't polish a turd, as the saying has it.
EDIT : Or maybe they have?
I don't see how. Are you proposing that the ping-pong carries on all day and night until the GE? |
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Post by graham on Apr 22, 2024 20:18:57 GMT
Labour could, however, have flushed it away.
EDIT : Or maybe they have?
I don't see how. Are you proposing that the ping-pong carries on all day and night until the GE? I suspect that allowing ping-pong to continue up to the Summer recess in late July would be sufficient. |
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Post by neilj on Apr 22, 2024 20:22:14 GMT
Labour could, however, have flushed it away.
EDIT : Or maybe they have?
I don't see how. Are you proposing that the ping-pong carries on all day and night until the GE? Double insistence can come into play 'This process continues until agreement has been reached on each amendment or until ‘double insistence’ takes place, in which case the entire bill is lost. What is ‘double insistence’? Normally both Houses will make every effort to reach compromise over a bill so that it can become law. However, if one House insists on an amendment and the second House insists on its disagreement with that amendment, or if they have clearly reached a stalemate, the bill is lost. This is what happened to the European Parliamentary Elections Bill 1997–98' |
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Post by eor on Apr 22, 2024 20:23:12 GMT
Birmingham doesn't have council elections this time, so whilst Street came second there last time anyway then we won't really get to find out what the net effect is there between the anti-Tory swing and any specific resentment of the council's problems. I'd put it more the other way and say that if he does squeak home it will only be because he's combined a good personal following with sufficiently disassociating himself from the Tory government, neither of which is of any comfort at all for Tory MPs. You're right, of course, that there are no Birmingham city council elections this year, but my point was that Street can't help but benefit from the recent financial difficulties that are beginning to have a negative effect on many of the people who will be voting in the mayoral elections. He hasn't been slow, maybe understandably, to try and exploit some of the problems that have befallen the Labour run council of late. He may be dissociating himself from the Tory Party nationally, and emphasising "Brand Andy", but he isn't averse to playing base party politics too when it suits him! I agree with you though that whether Street wins or loses next week, I suspect the runes don't look good for the Tories in the region in terms of their general election prospects. Fair point - I was probably being a bit dismissive in thinking that the turnout will be so low that it'll only reflect the diehardest of the diehards, akin perhaps to many of the local council by-elections. Maybe the potential impact of the crisis at the council will galvanise people, whether because they think the council has mismanaged or been hung out to dry. We'll see - I stick by my earlier prediction tho and think that despite a decent personal following Street has almost no chance of surviving on what will be a local election turnout everywhere else in the Mayoral region, a region which Savanta have finally noticed doesn't include Tory Warwickshire What would be a mistake tho would be to take him being unseated by a swing of say 5-10% as evidence that it's really not as bad for the Tories as the polls suggest. A mistake I think some will embrace with enthusiasm, especially if Ben Houchen similarly bucks the regional swing, win or lose. If both occur I'm sure you will be watching Professor Sir John's ankles with close interest... |
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Post by peterbell on Apr 22, 2024 20:27:51 GMT
I wonder if Sunak is going to make a couple of apologies after making totally incorrect comments (if not lies) today. (smiley)
Firstly, in his speech this morning, he blamed Lab for blocking the Rwanda bill. Funny that 278 Tory peers can not defeat 172 Lab peers.
Secondly, he also unreservedly condemned the Met for their actions in the Falter affair. As has been stated on here earlier today, the full video from Sky confirms that the actions of the police were absolutely correct, although it can be argued that the "you are a Jew" comment was inapproriate. In addition, the Sky interview with Falter and Kay Burley showed Falter to be a totally obnoxious character, a prime example of why antisemitism is increasing.
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Post by oldnat on Apr 22, 2024 20:29:23 GMT
steve
The Papua New Courier's London Correspondent has reviewed Truss's book, and uses a phrase which you may want to purloin.
"the agitated treatise of somebody in the grip of a novel Crayola virus".
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Post by mark61 on Apr 22, 2024 20:32:52 GMT
Good to see Mark Rowley stand by his rank and file officers over the the Felter affair. Having seen both the full clip and Mr Felter's less than impressive performance on Sky News I think we can conclude this was a Political Stunt from someone with an agenda. It was however depressing to see the majority of the fourth estate take it at face value and run with it, having been left with egg on their face over this is it too much to ask that they delve a bit deeper next time and actually do their job? You may well be right, perhaps I have a sentimental belief that journalism is a profession! |
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Post by eor on Apr 22, 2024 20:41:22 GMT
So tens days campaigning left before the local elections. What are posters from here seeing on the ground where they live? [snipped to save Crofty's ailing thumbs] Any thoughts about where you live? Coventry will be very dull, and won't impact the national picture. Labour are so dominant that they hold most of the seats that are up this time and will likely gain a couple of Tory ones whilst potentially losing one to the Greens. |
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Post by oldnat on Apr 22, 2024 20:45:18 GMT
I think they may be doing precisely what they are paid to! You may well be right, perhaps I have a sentimental belief that journalism is a profession!
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Post by crossbat11 on Apr 22, 2024 20:45:39 GMT
eorDoes your reference to "Tory Warwickshire" refer to the solidly, largely rural, Tory areas of the county or are you suggesting that Warwickshire is a Tory county? If it's the latter, I think the good citizens of Leamington, Warwick and Coventry might want to take you to task!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2024 20:48:30 GMT
leftieliberal “ The Muslim Association of Britain are hardly pure themselves. See the Wikipedia article on them The group is reported to have had direct ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas;” Why place this brief post with another, complete with large pictures, which was about thirty times as long as yours and had just been posted? This is a really unnecessary and rather stupid habit. They're Islamists and anything they write is not to be trusted. Do I really need to spell it out to you? Well, not twice. At enormous length. That’s the whole fucking point. |
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Post by oldnat on Apr 22, 2024 20:58:14 GMT
They're Islamists and anything they write is not to be trusted. Do I really need to spell it out to you? Well, not twice. At enormous length. That’s the whole fucking point. |
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Post by eor on Apr 22, 2024 21:02:48 GMT
eor Does your reference to "Tory Warwickshire" refer to the solidly, largely rural, Tory areas of the county or are you suggesting that Warwickshire is a Tory county? If it's the latter, I think the good citizens of Leamington, Warwick and Coventry might want to take you to task!!! Heh I was talking in terms of political boundaries rather than historical ones. Coventry isn't part of it, and anyway it's not just the rural these days - Marcus Jones is sitting on a 60% vote share in Nuneaton. And as the Tories currently hold 42 of the 57 seats I'm pretty comfortable summing it up as Tory overall |
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