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Post by steve on Jan 25, 2024 11:11:06 GMT
neiljI know we're not in first place but I think yougov predicted some vote share!
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Post by wb61 on Jan 25, 2024 11:11:34 GMT
I remember my dad when I was a lad bringing this back after a good sales month . Any ideas? View AttachmentThat looks a lot like my uncle's Vanden Plas Princess 4 litre R save that his was blue and black as I recall, I remember lots of red leather and walnut finishing inside.
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Post by steve on Jan 25, 2024 11:12:34 GMT
"stuffed full of weaponry"
It tended to be stuffed full of coppers and takeaways most of the time.
Normally the sergeant wouldn't drive but it was the most comfortable/least uncomfortable seat in the vehicle. Rank has its privileges.
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Post by isa on Jan 25, 2024 11:20:18 GMT
I remember my dad when I was a lad bringing this back after a good sales month . Any ideas? View AttachmentThat's a Vanden Plas Princess 4 litre R (for Rolls Royce, who provided the engines). One of the last judging by the F - registration (1967/8). I had a '66 model. Amazing car. 17 mpg if you were lucky, but went like sh*t off a stick.
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Post by steve on Jan 25, 2024 11:22:47 GMT
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We appear to have exceeded our attachment limit hands up for my contribution but those giant pictures of Nick Clegg that Mr Jones posts might play a role!
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Post by pjw1961 on Jan 25, 2024 11:30:40 GMT
Mark We appear to have exceeded our attachment limit hands up for my contribution but those giant pictures of Nick Clegg that Mr Jones posts might play a role! Best news of the day!
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Post by James E on Jan 25, 2024 11:30:42 GMT
Yougov, no change from last week, but that was a very good week for Labour Labour lead at 27 points in latest YouGov poll for The Times CON 20 (=) LAB 47 (=) LIB DEM 8 (=) REF UK 13 (+1) GREEN 6 (-1) Fieldwork 23 - 24 January This is a rare case where 'no change' comes as a slight surprise. This poll and others now confirm that the Tories' support has taken a further hit in the past week or two. Those age cross-breaks quoted above are intersting too, especially in comparison to YG's figures for 2019: 18-24 Con 9% (-12) Lab 60% (+4) Swing 8% 25-49 Con 14% (-19) Lab 57% (+14) Swing 16.5% 50-64 Con 20% (-31) Lab 49% (+22) Swing 26% 65+ Con 35% (-29) Lab 25% (+9) Swing 19%
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Post by jib on Jan 25, 2024 11:32:07 GMT
Mark We appear to have exceeded our attachment limit hands up for my contribution but those giant pictures of Nick Clegg that Mr Jones posts might play a role! 8%
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Post by alec on Jan 25, 2024 11:37:03 GMT
Danny - "The commentator in question might have been incorrect in detail, but as a summary of the situation she seems to have been correct." Other than getting levels of support for and against continued aid the wrong way round, I guess you could say she was correct. That's the Danny World interpretation. In the real world, we use the expression 'wrong' when someone gets something wrong. I think that's probably the difference?
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Post by jayblanc on Jan 25, 2024 11:38:42 GMT
Yougov, no change from last week, but that was a very good week for Labour Labour lead at 27 points in latest YouGov poll for The Times CON 20 (=) LAB 47 (=) LIB DEM 8 (=) REF UK 13 (+1) GREEN 6 (-1) Fieldwork 23 - 24 January It's not impossible for there to be two outliers in a row... but...
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Post by alec on Jan 25, 2024 11:45:48 GMT
Polls continue to show the submergence of the Conservatives. In general, I tend towards thinking that things are never as bad/good as they might appear, but I retain that nagging feeling that this time it really might be as bad as it looks for Sunak. Time will tell. Meanwhile, not particularly new, but still concerning, a new study showing the method that covid infects brain cells, causing inflammation - news.weill.cornell.edu/news/2024/01/sars-cov-2-can-infect-dopamine-neurons-causing-senescenceWhat is becoming ever more concerning about this kind of study is that we are seeing more and more evidence of symptomless long term viral replication, in brains, lugs, GI tract etc. Mild infections can still be detected in gut cells two years after apparent recovery, and other studies have flagged different variants in the same individual's lugs and brains months after recovery, indicating persistent viral replication along with intra host evolution that enables the virus to better target different organs. We simply have no idea what this means. Other viruses that do this are viewed as serious health threats, leading to serious health issues many years after the initial 'mild' infection. A recent study randomly sampled mildly infected & recovered individuals and detected Sars-cov-2 in the gut lining in 40% of them. It's a potential ticking time bomb we're unleashing.
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Post by neilj on Jan 25, 2024 11:53:12 GMT
Savanta bucking the trend NEW Westminster Voting Intention
📈14pt Labour lead - lowest since Sept '23
🌹Lab 43 (-1) 🌳Con 29 (+2) 🔶LD 10 (-1) ➡️Reform 8 (+1) 🌍Green 4 (=) 🎗️SNP 3 (=) ⬜️Other 4 (=)
2,017 UK adults, 19-21 January
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Post by steve on Jan 25, 2024 12:11:04 GMT
jibI'm sorry to disappoint you but only one of those individuals is in government, the unelected Lord of chipping Norton.The others are not mps Consequently they can't get 8% of any vote share. But you knew that didn't you.
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Post by jib on Jan 25, 2024 12:15:01 GMT
Mark We appear to have exceeded our attachment limit hands up for my contribution but those giant pictures of Nick Clegg that Mr Jones posts might play a role! Best news of the day! Public service, the Lib Dem way.
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Post by Dave on Jan 25, 2024 12:15:34 GMT
Yougov, no change from last week, but that was a very good week for Labour Labour lead at 27 points in latest YouGov poll for The Times CON 20 (=) LAB 47 (=) LIB DEM 8 (=) REF UK 13 (+1) GREEN 6 (-1) Fieldwork 23 - 24 January It's not impossible for there to be two outliers in a row... but... I was thinking much the same. It could be two outliers in a row but just maybe, these two 'outliers' are the new norm or at least close to it. ... and then along comes Savanta - booooooooooooooooo! They won't burst my bubble, nor I suspect, provide enough solace for twitchy Tories.
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Post by jayblanc on Jan 25, 2024 12:24:26 GMT
I suspect that the Rolling Reactionary Revolt section of the Conservative Party will choose to view the Savanta poll as indication that it will be perfectly fine to oust Sunak and start a new leadership contest.
I also suspect that the Rolling Reactionary Revolt section of the Conservative Party will choose to view the rising of the sun and the changing of the winds as indication that it will be perfectly fine to oust Sunak and start a new leadership contest.
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Post by alec on Jan 25, 2024 12:24:52 GMT
No one's going to escape this - /photo/1
The growth in the cost of disability benefits since 2021 has been astonishing, and that's just one of the economic hits from covid. 'Ageing population' doesn't cut it as an excuse, because we're talking here about working age benefits. NHS pressures and waiting lists are one of the factors, but again, worth reminding ourselves that waiting lists were rising at around 200,000pa up to 2020, on a reasonably steady path, and since then it's shot up by around 1.1mpa. Much of this growth can be put down to the knock-on effects of covid and it's impact on healthcare systems, plus the direct effects of lots more people being ill.
What I don't really get is why so many people seem sanguine about the degradation of health and the consequent massive tax rises this will require, when we have a lengthy series of effective and practical methods to avoid infection. It's as if people like paying tax and don't mind getting sick.
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Post by alec on Jan 25, 2024 13:01:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2024 13:27:23 GMT
Seconded Alec. Very sobering thoughts.
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Post by Mark on Jan 25, 2024 13:57:00 GMT
Thats the world we live in now. Particularly younger people. Shooting the messengers wont save your favourite politicians if people have had enough. Presumably you are happy with Facebook vitriol in UK at the Tories ? I think the hysteria in all directions on Facebook and Twitter etc is all damaging and diminishing. It's one of the reasons I'm on here and not there. It's a complicated one. Back in the day, an episode of "Only Fools & Horses" got over 100 complaints (The episode where Del-Boy attempted to sell a baby). Said episode was in bad taste, but, the 100 complaints is the point. The very fact that it did made the news. Back then, you eithor had to write a letter, go to the post office to buy a stamp to post it, or ring directory enquiries to get the phone number. In other words, it took some effort. In more recent times, the BBC got over 11,000 complaints about a royal death getting too much coverage. It's far easier to complain - so more people do. The same is true of social media. Whatever your political hue, you've got a platform that people read. While the point made above of a group of friends trying to out-nasty/out-racist each other is a valid one, if social media didn't exist, they would be espousing the exact same viewpoints down the pub. That's not to say there arent problems, though, AI has already thrown up a 'fake Biden' call in the US primaries and any actor, foreign or otherwise can present any dialogue. Also, it is impossible to regulate in real time when half the world is on a platform. I don't know what the answers to the more nefarious aspects of social media are, but, I do know that now the technology exists, simply removing it will lead to alternatives popping up that have even less, or indeed no regulation.
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Post by mercian on Jan 25, 2024 13:57:29 GMT
I can't say I actually noticed 'austerity'. What exactly did it consist of? Serious question. I guess you are part of the right-leaning elderly voting cohort who the government have taken some steps to shield from the worst effects. I could spend the rest of the day writing about the effects but how about: The great difficulty in getting a GP appointment in many areas Long waits in A&E Record backlogs in the NHS The collapse of NHS dentistry 20% of local authorities on the point of financial collapse Libraries, youth centres, parks closed or run down Adult social care patchy, expensive and in crisis Police no longer responding to routine calls Courts with massive backlogs Overcrowded jails that can no longer imprison even rape cases Roads full of pot holes Systems designed to ritually humiliate anyone claiming benefits, leading to suicides and death And so on and so on across every area of public life. Thanks for that and to others who replied. I've heard people banging on about it but was never sure what they meant. It must be very patchy. I've got an excellent lady NHS dentist, no problem getting GP appointments and luckily haven't needed to go to hospital lately although I was in intensive care for a couple of weeks about 7 or 8 years ago. That must have been during this austerity. They were very good and I had to really argue with them to get released. No wonder they're short of beds. I have noticed potholes, though the council fixes them when they get reported. I agree that we need to build more prisons, but overall I suppose I just thought it was SNAFU.
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Post by neilj on Jan 25, 2024 14:24:24 GMT
Useful explanation here explaining atleast some of the difference between Savanta and Yougov
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Post by hireton on Jan 25, 2024 14:25:01 GMT
The plot ( or plots) thickens:
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Post by mercian on Jan 25, 2024 14:27:19 GMT
If you give me half an hour I could produce a dozen more. That's the problem with selfish older people with ZERO empathy who don't have young children, don't need social services, have an untouched pension, drive everywhere so don't use busses or pavements etc etc "I'm All Right Jack" in its reductive state. Sorry if I upset you, I'm just not involved with the things you mentioned. I do object to being called selfish though. I won't go into detail but I'm pretty generous in private life and when the occasion arises help strangers who need it. I plead guilty to being unaware.
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Post by hireton on Jan 25, 2024 14:31:15 GMT
So it seems that the accommodation for the Rwanda scheme promoted by the UK 6was never intended for refugees:
Did Ministers and the Home Office not know this or were they deliberately misleading.
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Post by mercian on Jan 25, 2024 14:36:51 GMT
Absolutely. The virtually identical Austin Westminster and Vanden Plas Princess 3 litre. I always preferred the Wolseley, though. Beautiful styling. In the 1970's petrol crisis (remember the ration books) my uncle thought it wasn't going to last very long and thought he had bought an absolute bargain in a Vanden Plas Princess 4 litre R; I think I sat in it about 4 times before he sold it for scrap (couldn't find another mug buyer like him). If he had held on to it for a few years it would have been worth quite a bit I would have thought, but no garage to store it in. I had a little Honda 50 motorbike at the time and got a ration book for a 2-litre car. The Honda did about 150 mpg so I could have made a fortune selling the extra petrol. Shame rationing never happened.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 25, 2024 14:39:02 GMT
I must admit, I tend to be a YouGov man rather than a Savanta one.
Lingering affection for Anthony Wells, possibly, but more likely to be something more to do with the scores on the doors they are now regularly producing for our predilection
They'm a warmin' the cockles of me art as they say in these parts.
Evershum, that is.
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Post by mercian on Jan 25, 2024 14:40:56 GMT
He had a carriage with a little white light on the front with his name on it. My dad had a grey 6/90 back in the day. I remember he had it converted from column gear change to stick shift but the gearstick wasn't on the transmission tunnel but by the front offside corner of the drivers seat. Apparently it was a conversion that the police insisted on for their cars because they never ran column change vehicles. All the 6/90's had an upholstered cut out on the corner on the driver's seat to accommodate the gearstick movement. Back in the days of Doxin of Dick Green. Evenin' all. Wolseleys, (usually black), were the cars of choice for the police for decades, culminating in the 6/110 in the '60s. I seem to remember a police series (Dragnet?) that had a title sequence with a black Wolseley. I remember thinking how great it looked.
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Post by mercian on Jan 25, 2024 14:43:25 GMT
Wolseleys, (usually black), were the cars of choice for the police for decades, culminating in the 6/110 in the '60s. All replete with bell on the front, rather like GWR 6000 King George V which still has it's bell in the museum in Swindon. It was fitted when KGV went over to the US for an exhibition in the '30's. Today's piece of useless information. One of many
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Post by birdseye on Jan 25, 2024 14:44:26 GMT
Its a 1968 Vanden Plas, the one with the 4 litre engine
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